Sorry if this is a repost but I am a bit confused. I know that on our razrs there is a dedicated storage for apps. When I go to settings apps I have two options "move to phone" or "move to internal storage". Which corresponds to the dedicated storage for apps?
Phone has dedicated storage for apps. Good side of having apps there is they are a lot faster to load, the bad side is if you have too factory reset and aren't rooted, you can't back them up and will lose all your data for them.
Some have to be there, others can be moved
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Yes I know that but which is it the "phone" or the "internal" storage?
arisgoku said:
Yes I know that but which is it the "phone" or the "internal" storage?
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Phone! That is why I said phone
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Most of us are somewhat familiar with how apps2sd works on Froyo. It does not use a sd card partition like the ones we are used to. All system apps, apps you run widgets from, homelaunchers, etc need to be saved on internal memory (you don't have a choice with the system apps) to avoid errors when you reboot or connect via usb. Since the apps are physically located on the sd they become unmounted when the sd card is no longer mounted.
What I'm curious of is where the apps are saved on the sd? I imagine they would save to a hidden file. If this is the case, is it possible to manually move system apps with root explorer or adb commands from internal to the sd card? Obviously, you wouldn't want to move anything crucial to the boot or remount but apps such as e-mail and maps (memory hogs)?
I've noticed when moving apps to the sd from internal that only about half of the file size is actually moved. So does this mean my above question is impossible?
Does anyone REALLY understand how apps2sd works on Froyo?
Is it possible to install another apps2sd (one that allows an sd partition)?
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All you need to do to move apps manually to sd is from home go menu> settings> applications> manage applications, then you can select the app you want to move and select move to sd. This works for any app. If the "move to sd" button is grayed, make sure you check the box in "cyanogenmod settings" to allow moving any app to sd.
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I get an error moving system apps even with the Cynogen setting on. I'm on KaosFroyo v24. Which one are you on?
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I get an error moving system apps even with the Cynogen setting on. I'm on KaosFroyo v24. Which one are you on?
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When using froyo apps2sd you cant have an EXT partition on your SD card also if that isnt the issue check the space on your SD card, also turn on both "save to" settings in Cyanogen Settings to external and also in the applications settings
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I get an error moving system apps even with the Cynogen setting on. I'm on KaosFroyo v24. Which one are you on?
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I too am on KaosFroyo and have no problems doing this. Not sure why it's not working for you but I hope ya figure it out!
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He's talking about System apps. What that specifically means I do not know, but I know trying to move say Facebook to the SD card gets an error message stating System updates cannot be installed on external media. All other apps (outside these system apps: Facebook, Maps, etc) can be moved without problem.
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He's talking about System apps. What that specifically means I do not know, but I know trying to move say Facebook to the SD card gets an error message stating System updates cannot be installed on external media. All other apps (outside these system apps: Facebook, Maps, etc) can be moved without problem.
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Oops, sorry... must have read too fast. I can't move them neither.
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He's talking about System apps. What that specifically means I do not know, but I know trying to move say Facebook to the SD card gets an error message stating System updates cannot be installed on external media. All other apps (outside these system apps: Facebook, Maps, etc) can be moved without problem.
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Thats what I meant. Thanks for clearing that up.
So I was thinking, maybe we can get around this. What if we delete the file for whatever system app (we'll say FB for this example) and re-download it from the market (or install from a file on your sd card). Would it still be a system app? Could we then save it to the sd?
I think I'm going to try it. I'll report success or failure.
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SUCCESS! Using root explorer, I moved the facebook files located in system/app and data/app to my sd card. I then used linda manager and installed facebook.apk. I opened the app and all seems well. I then went into manage applications in settings and moved it to the sd card.
I'm going to do some more testing and post a new thread for guys like me who can't have TOO MUCH free internal memory.
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I'm totally at a loss. I keep getting a notification that my internal memory its nearly full...yet I'm showing 11gigs free. Any ideas?
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This might help...
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I'm totally at a loss. I keep getting a notification that my internal memory its nearly full...yet I'm showing 11gigs free. Any ideas?
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+1 i wonder this too. i get the same notification when tryign to download a 32mb file even tho i i have well over 10gb internal and 6gb external sd
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this was an extremely stupid response...not only was it ignorant,it WASNT even "being a smartass" as this is the Q&A section.
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I'm totally at a loss. I keep getting a notification that my internal memory its nearly full...yet I'm showing 11gigs free. Any ideas?
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The internal memory you're speaking of is the internal storage, of which we have about 14gigs to play with in total. This memory is formatted with the FAT32 filesystem, a filesystem which is often prone to allocation table corruption. This can lead to a filesystem reporting it's free space incorrectly.
The solution would be to backup any data on the internal storage to a known safe source (say to your PC temporarily) and then format the internal storage, which can easily be done from the phone's settings menu. Afterwards, copy all of the saved data back.
If the problem persists after this, then you will have to go on an errant file hunt, because files can also become corrupted individually and misreport their size. Such a file if found should be deleted.
Hope that was clear. Best of luck!
Just a thought....how many nandroid back ups have you saved and still have on your internal sd?
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Are sure it's not the phone memory where the apps are stored. Because some people who use a lag fix like oclf don't realize it could take up to half of phone internal storage.
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Thx For the input...I just did a factory reset through the dialer. Quick and painless.
Construction thumbs and swype don't mix!
only 2 gigs of space is dedicated to apps. remember our phones have a 16 gig internal sd card. and 2 gigs of rom if im not mistaken. since its an internal sd card that means apps are installed to the phones memory,not the internal sd card.
My GS2 came with 1.97GB of "System Storage" and 11.5 GB of "USB Storage"
I don't know if that's how everyone's has been set up, but I find that 1.97 GB to be a little too small, and would love to merge it and the rest of the USB Storage so that I just have two storage areas. The 1.97, at the moment, is where all applications are default installed, and the 11.5GB is where music and videos that I copy over through Kies goes.
Is there anyway to merge the two so I'm not so limited with the 1.97?
Thanks!
1.97 GB is way more than anyone should need for internal. My Evo has ~320MB left and that's about as good as it gets, with my 8GB SD card for music and whatnot.
But yes there should also be a way to change the partition sizes. Or just use A2SD to move all the apps you need to your SD card and that could help, but also sacrifices speed of the apps.
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1.97 GB is way more than anyone should need for internal. My Evo has ~320MB left and that's about as good as it gets, with my 8GB SD card for music and whatnot.
But yes there should also be a way to change the partition sizes. Or just use A2SD to move all the apps you need to your SD card and that could help, but also sacrifices speed of the apps.
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Oh, I didn't know this was the wrong forum to post in, I just had a question, so I went to the Q and A forum. Sorry if it should have been somewhere else. I'm just looking for a way to merge the two internal storages.
If you'll let me know where I should ask this question, I'll ask it there instead.
Thanks
My application storage area in the internal memory seems to be filling up with junk data.
When I bought the phone it was completely empty. Now its 3.65 free out of 4gb
Factory reset does not help. Tried SD Maid as well, nothing!
Any suggestions guys?
Aashrey99 said:
My application storage area in the internal memory seems to be filling up with junk data.
When I bought the phone it was completely empty. Now its 3.65 free out of 4gb
Factory reset does not help. Tried SD Maid as well, nothing!
Any suggestions guys?
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Look under Manage Apps>Internel....you may have some apps there...just move to phone. Much better anyway.
I just have one app in the internal section and its not even big. I dunno why this is happening but apparently my application storage is filling up. Some how the app data is getting filled up.
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Does anyone know how to (or if we can) install apps to the external SD card? Lately I've been getting the "not enough storage" alert when trying to install new or update apps. So then I have to look for crap to delete. By default the apps install to internal storage. When I use TiBackup to move apps to the SD, it moves them to phone storage (internal SD), not the external SD. Anyone?
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Does anyone know how to (or if we can) install apps to the external SD card? Lately I've been getting the "not enough storage" alert when trying to install new or update apps. So then I have to look for crap to delete. By default the apps install to internal storage. When I use TiBackup to move apps to the SD, it moves them to phone storage (internal SD), not the external SD. Anyone?
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I'm not entirely sure. I know that HTC changed the name of the eMMC and SD card on this phone to 'sdcard' and 'sdcard2' respectively. A lot of apps don't realize the change and think the eMMC is the actual external SD card. The only ones which definitely realize it are the HTC ones.
I don't know if your ROM has it set up differently or not, but the stock ROM is that way.
I thought the whole 'sdcard' naming thing was an ICS issue...
Go to Settings >Apps, select the app you want to move, then pick Move To Phone Storage. You have to do this for each app.
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Go to Settings >Apps, select the app you want to move, then pick Move To Phone Storage. You have to do this for each app.
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Rovio's Bad Piggies came out the other day. It's a moderately intriguing game, which is relevant because its default apk save location is the SD card. Unfortunately for our phone, it thinks the internal eMMC is the actual SD card because of the poor naming convention, regardless whether ICS itself or HTC is the actual culprit. It's save location is '/sdcard/.android_secure/com.rovio.BadPiggies-1.asec'.
I also installed this game on my original Incredible, and it's path name is the same, but it's saved on the actual SD card because it followed normal naming convention. If I move it to the internal storage, it saves in '/data/app/com.rovio.BadPiggies-1.apk'.
Our phone switches between 'Move to phone storage' ('/sdcard/.android_secure/' which is the eMMC) and 'Move to internal storage' (/data/app/).
My original Incredible switches between 'Move to SD card' ('/sdcard/.android_secure/' which is the real SD card) and 'Move to phone' (/data/app/).
Like dezignstuff said, you would normally have to go to Settings -> Apps, and select each app you want to move and tell it to 'Move to phone storage'. Since you're using Titanium Backup to move to move apps to the SD card, it does it all in one fell swoop.
Now, to answer your question again once again, the naming convention is the reason you're seeing it install in the mount named 'sdcard' but it's actually the eMMC. Titanium Backup thinks the same thing most everything does because of the eMMC's name. If you move it to the real SD card, I don't think it would work because I doubt that it would be able to be recognized by the system.
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Go to Settings >Apps, select the app you want to move, then pick Move To Phone Storage. You have to do this for each app.
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I understand all that. I don't want stuff on phone storage. That's where it is now. I want it on the external SD card.
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IceDragon59 said:
Rovio's Bad Piggies came out the other day. It's a moderately intriguing game, which is relevant because its default apk save location is the SD card. Unfortunately for our phone, it thinks the internal eMMC is the actual SD card because of the poor naming convention, regardless whether ICS itself or HTC is the actual culprit. It's save location is '/sdcard/.android_secure/com.rovio.BadPiggies-1.asec'.
I also installed this game on my original Incredible, and it's path name is the same, but it's saved on the actual SD card because it followed normal naming convention. If I move it to the internal storage, it saves in '/data/app/com.rovio.BadPiggies-1.apk'.
Our phone switches between 'Move to phone storage' ('/sdcard/.android_secure/' which is the eMMC) and 'Move to internal storage' (/data/app/).
My original Incredible switches between 'Move to SD card' ('/sdcard/.android_secure/' which is the real SD card) and 'Move to phone' (/data/app/).
Like dezignstuff said, you would normally have to go to Settings -> Apps, and select each app you want to move and tell it to 'Move to phone storage'. Since you're using Titanium Backup to move to move apps to the SD card, it does it all in one fell swoop.
Now, to answer your question again once again, the naming convention is the reason you're seeing it install in the mount named 'sdcard' but it's actually the eMMC. Titanium Backup thinks the same thing most everything does because of the eMMC's name. If you move it to the real SD card, I don't think it would work because I doubt that it would be able to be recognized by the system.
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So, who's the asshole in this situation? Is it ICS itself or HTC for their wonky file system naming convention?
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So, who's the asshole in this situation? Is it ICS itself or HTC for their wonky file system naming convention?
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After some investigation, it's definitely ICS. Several other brands of devices all have "sdcard" and "sdcard2". Regardless of who's at fault, it's still ridiculous. I understand that most devices starting with ICS don't have an actual SD card slot to expand the storage, but ICS should implement a way to move to the real SD card if you have one. Our phone, with its 4GB of available space, isn't that much when you have hundreds of pictures, videos, music files, and apps. I won't ever buy a phone without expandable memory unless it's priced similarly to this one with at least 64GB of space.
It was a change by Google. It occurs in Jelly Bean as well.
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It was a change by Google. It occurs in Jelly Bean as well.
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n the acer a100 there was a way to change the mount points and they called the sd2 the sd and the sd the sd2 with a shell script.
then you simply used some app to move all your apps from the fake to the real sd card
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n the acer a100 there was a way to change the mount points and they called the sd2 the sd and the sd the sd2 with a shell script.
then you simply used some app to move all your apps from the fake to the real sd card
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Somewhere, I saw a way to remap the drives once rooted. I haven't really looked into it, but plan to pursue it as soon as we have root.
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Somewhere, I saw a way to remap the drives once rooted. I haven't really looked into it, but plan to pursue it as soon as we have root.
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Same here. If I have one quibble with ICS, it's how it handle the sd card.
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I think the Nook Color went through this when they were starting with CM9. I'll keep searching and see if I can find anything, it's been a while since I've seen anything about it but I'll keep looking.