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I think it was a good discussion in the other thread.. Dont see the point in closing it and reopening another, but regardless here's my observation:
Build quality for some reason is a hot topic. People are ripping on samsung like they expected a non plastic body. I think the plastic design is great even if it does feel cheap. Scuff it up? Buy a new battery back. Easy. Scuff up aluminum you have to live with it.
Lots are asking if it's worth it to upgrade from the note 2 to the s4. Personally I don't see anything that would make me feel the need to upgrade. The only thing considerably better would be the screen. Yes you can say it will have a next generation 8 core blah blah but seriously, the note 2 and even s3 have never once lagged for me in anything real world. I fail to see how such a powerhouse of a processor is really any benefit.
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The point of this thread is any non note discussion. How many iphone threads do we have. For that matterhow many s4 threads are starting already. We had this in the s3 firm and it worked really nicely to cut down the iphone5 threads.
By the way I agree with everything you said about the s4. I'm good right here with my note
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It's going to take something substantial to make me want to upgrade from the note 2. Seems a lot of note 2 users feel the same. While I'm completely open to using an iPhone, I can't possibly imagine anything apple can produce in this year that would make me even consider the iPhone. HTC One is a very nice phone but when set against the note 2, what does one gain? The better screen at the cost of removable batteries and storage?
Saw someone post a comment somewhere telling people to drop the "removable battery" argument, saying they make charge packs so the argument is moot. It's so much more in my opinion... The battery is perhaps the one component other than physical buttons that will wear quickest. Why make it inaccessible? With removable batteries, in a year when the original battery doesn't hold the charge as well you can buy one for $30 where internal batteries, you're screwed.
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Sorry about that.
Anyways, about the comparison of SIII to SIV and iPhone 4 to 4s - I don't think that's 100% true. Given the body and touchwiz are almost the same, which isn't a huge deal to me because I ALWAYS use a case. The hardware seems to be a significant bump. But what do I know? I am just a guy who likes the latest and (hopefully) greatest phones.
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People are ripping on samsung like they expected a non plastic body. I think the plastic design is great even if it does feel cheap. Scuff it up? Buy a new battery back. Easy. Scuff up aluminum you have to live with it.
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This doesn't make any sense, you can replace a scuffed up metal battery door just as easy as a plastic door. Also metal doesn't scratch any easier than plastic.
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This doesn't make any sense, you can replace a scuffed up metal battery door just as easy as a plastic door. Also metal doesn't scratch any easier than plastic.
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The htc one is a solid piece of aluminum with non removable battery and no battery door. In fact there hasn't been a phone that's been made of aluminum that has a removable battery door since maybe the blackberry storm.
Yes I know they both scratch the same, but you can easily replace any plastic component in the samsung phones where the competition, you can't.
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The htc one is a solid piece of aluminum with non removable battery and no battery door. In fact there hasn't been a phone that's been made of aluminum that has a removable battery door since maybe the blackberry storm.
Yes I know they both scratch the same, but you can easily replace any plastic component in the samsung phones where the competition, you can't.
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Thats the design though, not material. My Droid X had a removable metal battery door (also the best finish EVER!) I think samsung makes the best phones right now (as long as they can get a good signal, sgs3) and I wouldn't trade my Note 2 for any other device, but I hate the chrome plated plastic that chips easily, and the plastic battery door that pops off.
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The htc one is a solid piece of aluminum with non removable battery and no battery door. In fact there hasn't been a phone that's been made of aluminum that has a removable battery door since maybe the blackberry storm.
Yes I know they both scratch the same, but you can easily replace any plastic component in the samsung phones where the competition, you can't.
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Why are you guys comparing HTC one to any Verizon android phone? Verizon is not getting the HTC one.
Aluminium vs plastic vs metal is silly also for many reasons. I have yet to see a metal battery door that covered the whole back, and if there is how would it stay on. I feel the flexibility and strength in the S3 and Note 2 battery doors is ideal for the bigger smart phones. I could never keep my battery covers on my droid x or x2's. And the metal and aluminum most definitely scratch easier and more than plastic phones.
I also feel with all the antenna's and placement the signal strength and GPS strength will be better surrounded by plastic.
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Why are you guys comparing HTC one to any Verizon android phone? Verizon is not getting the HTC one.
Aluminium vs plastic vs metal is silly also for many reasons. I have yet to see a metal battery door that covered the whole back, and if there is how would it stay on. I feel the flexibility and strength in the S3 and Note 2 battery doors is ideal for the bigger smart phones. I could never keep my battery covers on my droid x or x2's. And the metal and aluminum most definitely scratch easier and more than plastic phones.
I also feel with all the antenna's and placement the signal strength and GPS strength will be better surrounded by plastic.
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It was literally just confirmed on twitter like a few hours ago that verizon wasn't getting the One. And I was speaking in general as the build quality argument seems to be the main negative argument against samsung.
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It was literally just confirmed on twitter like a few hours ago that verizon wasn't getting the One. And I was speaking in general as the build quality argument seems to be the main negative argument against samsung.
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I saw the HTC one post last night. Either way couldn't picture it going to VZW with the dlx+ coming.
People that are complaining about the build quality doesn't realize if they want Samsung to build an aluminium bodied smartphone they would have to give up micro sdcard and removable battery.
How is the build quality of the S4? Who ever says the build quality of the S3 is poor must have tortured it. Several S3's and Note 2's passed through our family and friends, and have yet seen build quality issues.
I'm sorry I don't see it. I am opened minded about reasons for thinking aluminum is better than plastic, but its not. In the last 5 to 8 years in the newer cars, the piston rods and in some cases part of the pistons and blocks are made of plastic. Dissipate heat, static, and corrosion better. Keeping the same tensile strength of aluminum and steel at a lower cost.
I see the one's use of an aluminum body as a gimmick or selling point only. I also see aluminum causing more of an internal jar when dropped compared to plastic.
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I saw the HTC one post last night. Either way couldn't picture it going to VZW with the dlx+ coming.
People that are complaining about the build quality doesn't realize if they want Samsung to build an aluminium bodied smartphone they would have to give up micro sdcard and removable battery.
How is the build quality of the S4? Who ever says the build quality of the S3 is poor must have tortured it. Several S3's and Note 2's passed through our family and friends, and have yet seen build quality issues.
I'm sorry I don't see it. I am opened minded about reasons for thinking aluminum is better than plastic, but its not. In the last 5 to 8 years in the newer cars, the piston rods and in some cases part of the pistons and blocks are made of plastic. Dissipate heat, static, and corrosion better. Keeping the same tensile strength of aluminum and steel at a lower cost.
I see the one's use of an aluminum body as a gimmick or selling point only. I also see aluminum causing more of an internal jar when dropped compared to plastic.
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I completely agree. Basically what I was trying to say. No way in hell I'm giving up use of my 64 gig card either.
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I completely agree. Basically what I was trying to say. No way in hell I'm giving up use of my 64 gig card either.
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Lol. I would be lost without my card also.
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I saw the HTC one post last night. Either way couldn't picture it going to VZW with the dlx+ coming.
People that are complaining about the build quality doesn't realize if they want Samsung to build an aluminium bodied smartphone they would have to give up micro sdcard and removable battery.
How is the build quality of the S4? Who ever says the build quality of the S3 is poor must have tortured it. Several S3's and Note 2's passed through our family and friends, and have yet seen build quality issues.
I'm sorry I don't see it. I am opened minded about reasons for thinking aluminum is better than plastic, but its not. In the last 5 to 8 years in the newer cars, the piston rods and in some cases part of the pistons and blocks are made of plastic. Dissipate heat, static, and corrosion better. Keeping the same tensile strength of aluminum and steel at a lower cost.
I see the one's use of an aluminum body as a gimmick or selling point only. I also see aluminum causing more of an internal jar when dropped compared to plastic.
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I completely agree. Basically what I was trying to say. No way in hell I'm giving up use of my 64 gig card either.
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Why would using a different material mean that it wouldn't have an microSD card or removable battery? All my metal phones had microSD cards, and most had removable batteries. I don't even care about a removable battery if it's 3000+ mah and an efficient chip, but I also need a microSD slot but having a phone made of metal has nothing to do with having one or not.
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Why are you guys comparing HTC one to any Verizon android phone? Verizon is not getting the HTC one.
Aluminium vs plastic vs metal is silly also for many reasons. I have yet to see a metal battery door that covered the whole back, and if there is how would it stay on. I feel the flexibility and strength in the S3 and Note 2 battery doors is ideal for the bigger smart phones. I could never keep my battery covers on my droid x or x2's. And the metal and aluminum most definitely scratch easier and more than plastic phones.
I also feel with all the antenna's and placement the signal strength and GPS strength will be better surrounded by plastic.
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I never had a problem with my Droid X battery cover, but my Note 2 cover pops off easily. I also only had one minor scratch from a major drop on my Droid X, but I had many minor scratches on my Note 2 within 2 weeks without being dropped at all.
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What does everyone think about the Iphone 5?
wow, really thought verizon might have finally gotten their head out of the arse and gotten back to the same htc phone as everyone else. Glad I got the Note 2, but do prefer htc's build design over samsung, but samsung is winning with features (bigger removeable batteries, sd cards, spen).
Just ordered 2 extra batteries and docks with chargers from samsung. I could go the portable battery pack route, but why? This way, just swap batteries and keep going (1 is for the wife). I make it through 90% of my days on the one battery, but find myself wanting to charge for an hour usually in the middle of my shift. This way I can just swap if battery gets too low. Don't see replacing this phone for a while so batteries will get used (and had 50% off coupon).
http://allthingsd.com/20130318/dont...ead-on-twitter-verizon-is-so-getting-htc-one/
I don't know what to believe anymore.
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http://allthingsd.com/20130318/dont...ead-on-twitter-verizon-is-so-getting-htc-one/
I don't know what to believe anymore.
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I have a feeling Verizon will have a One with a big ol' Droid logo and black/red paint job, treating it as an entirely new phone. And because of this, Verizon and HTC are trying to say there "won't" be a Verizon variant.
I mean just think about it. If you saw a simple HTC One commercial / display vs. a flashy, animated Verizon HTC Droid *pseudo-One-insertepicnamehere* commercial, which would you rather choose?
galaxy exhibit 2.
Ok so I went to a T mobile store and got my little girl a galaxy exhibit 2.
I set it up on there unlimited 4g prepaid plan.
The girl at the store wanted to set it up for me. But I was like no I'll do
That later after I find a flash a rom on it lol.
I hit xda and found twrp for it and then I found a nice rom to put on it
It's an ok phone nothing special but not bad at all.great for an 11 year old.
I hade t mobile before and it didn't work almost anywhere. I hade the same
Set up with them that I have on verizon now. 3 phones and a mobile hor spot.
Ok now the service on this exhibit was pretty good. It works in the house. I wasn't
Sure if it was the phone or if the service had gotten better so I wanted to test and see what's up.
I did something that's questionable legally. To my gn2 and for testing purposes I
Was able to use my gn2 on the exhibits sim and number. Conforming
That T mobile service isn't any better but rather the little exhibit 2 has better
Radios then my gn2. It gets h+ and 3g in the house while my note onlly gets edge and if I
Put the note in the window I could get h and I could get 3g in places. But that exhibit 2 gets 3g through the whole house.
If I were to go back and choose again (between the note 2 and the htc one) Id still pick the note 2. Even though Im pretty partial to htc, I couldnt go without a removable battery and sd card. I cant tell you how many times pulling my battery because I was stuck in a bootloop saved my ass.
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If you take the battery cover off you will see the the tilt 2, touch pro2 is not really thick at all. Htc just simply does not know how to design with THIN in mind. The seem to just about alwats miss the mark in COVER design.
If some manufaturer would make a slimmer solution to cover the back they would make some good cash!
Right now I'm making some sort of "cover" to keep me from returning the tilt. Im right now using it with no cover at all AND I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean take the cover off and hold it, fells GOOD doesnt it? Slide the screen up and use it, feels FANTASTIC. And it looks slim as well.
Man I hate the way they finish heir products!
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Anyone Know If The Battery Covers Between All Of The Touch Pro 2's Are Interchangeable? I Have A Tilt 2 And I Lost My Battery Cover... I Dont See Any On Ebay... Anyone Have Any Ideas?
I don't know man, I just took my cover off and it looks as though the difference in thickness is about the thickness of the cover. I held it in my hand with it on and off and it feels about that different. I don't see where having the cover off makes any functional difference.
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Anyone Know If The Battery Covers Between All Of The Touch Pro 2's Are Interchangeable? I Have A Tilt 2 And I Lost My Battery Cover... I Dont See Any On Ebay... Anyone Have Any Ideas?
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try here this is only for european or AT&T, because no 3.5 audio jack.
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Anyone Know If The Battery Covers Between All Of The Touch Pro 2's Are Interchangeable? I Have A Tilt 2 And I Lost My Battery Cover... I Dont See Any On Ebay... Anyone Have Any Ideas?
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I have a tp2, also saw the tilt2. the battery cover on the tilt looks very different, and yes, the battery cover for the tilt2 makes it look bulkier. the cover for the tp2 is basically a lightly bevelev flat piece of plastic. the total thikness of the cover is maybe 4 or 5 mm.
The one thing about the T-Mobile USA version I like, The battery cover is slim & don't cover the MicroSD Slot, plus the stylus doesn't go through it.
EDIT: Oh, btw, in the future please post in the correct forum. This has nothing to do with ROM Development. There are plenty of threads about cases/housings/battery covers/etc in the Rhodium accessories section where this belongs.
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
The one thing about the T-Mobile USA version I like, The battery cover is slim & don't cover the MicroSD Slot, plus the stylus doesn't go through it.
EDIT: Oh, btw, in the future please post in the correct forum. This has nothing to do with ROM Development. There are plenty of threads about cases/housings/battery covers/etc in the Rhodium accessories section where this belongs.
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Nice to see you here drkfngthdragnlrd. Whenever you're around, I know we are in store for good things!
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Nice to see you here drkfngthdragnlrd. Whenever you're around, I know we are in store for good things!
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Speaking of, working on porting T-Mobiles MyFaves App. Have it ported & working, just the TF3D page won't show, no point releasing it till I can figure that out. I have all the _manila files (I think) & it still doesn't show.
wrong forum but yea. I don't really feel the difference. I like the way it is. It's not thick at all to me. It's just right.
LOL at the OP. The battery cover is NOT thick and adds 1mm at most (not 4 or 5 as someone else said). Unless the AT&T one is different from all the others (wasn't mentioned in the reviews), in which case blame AT&T not HTC.
Also, it's going to be really funny when you activate your moisture sensors and short out your battery while using your phone with your cover off, all so your phone is 1mm thinner. I'd go ahead and put that cover back on right now before you can't return it anymore.
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LOL at the OP. The battery cover is NOT thick and adds 1mm at most (not 4 or 5 as someone else said). Unless the AT&T one is different from all the others (wasn't mentioned in the reviews), in which case blame AT&T not HTC.
Also, it's going to be really funny when you activate your moisture sensors and short out your battery while using your phone with your cover off, all so your phone is 1mm thinner. I'd go ahead and put that cover back on right now before you can't return it anymore.
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No no nooo, It's not just about a mm, its about design.
The plastic is probably about a mm thick BUT the ALL AROUND desing is just more bulky than it needs to be.
For those of you that say you can see or feel any difference, do you have a chunky wife? Just kidding, but really, how could you not feel or see any difference?. Maybe you guys are just use to thick phones from htc. And since they are making them a LITTLE slimmer these days you guys are just happy.
But I have a 3gs and putting one in each hand you can see and feel the bluk.
But, like you guys, I love my tilt 2!
Btw, thanks to the guy who posted the website that sells the battery cover! Going to have to buy one just to mess with it and make it slimmer. I can always make it fit the tilt if its made for some other carrier.
Oh for crying out loud... make your peace with it. I can't believe we're actually having a discussion about this. You must have really tiny hands if you can feel whatever difference you are talking about.
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No no nooo, It's not just about a mm, its about design.
The plastic is probably about a mm thick BUT the ALL AROUND desing is just more bulky than it needs to be.
For those of you that say you can see or feel any difference, do you have a chunky wife? Just kidding, but really, how could you not feel or see any difference?. Maybe you guys are just use to thick phones from htc. And since they are making them a LITTLE slimmer these days you guys are just happy.
But I have a 3gs and putting one in each hand you can see and feel the bluk.
But, like you guys, I love my tilt 2!
Btw, thanks to the guy who posted the website that sells the battery cover! Going to have to buy one just to mess with it and make it slimmer. I can always make it fit the tilt if its made for some other carrier.
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You seem to forget there is one HUGE, GLARING, PINK ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM difference, we have a sliding hardware keyboard. If the Iphone had a sliding keyboard, it would be "bulkier." Some people are ok with the software keyboard, i am not, and never have been. My fingers are no where close to dainty. So having a hardware keyboard is a must, plus I actually can compose full emails and correct my mistakes quickly which i think is the biggest problem with a software keyboard.
I'm actually quite pleased with the form factor of the Tilt 2. I wasn't expecting it to be thinner than the Tilt, somehow I missed that in the reviews and specs. I was expecting something somewhat big and bulky, and was actually quite impressed with how slim and sexy it feels.
I don't have a TP2 to compare. But the Tilt 2 feels good to me. Similar to previous responses, I don't see how they could really have slimmed down all that much, at all. Cover off is really not any thinner than cover on.
Comparing the Tilt2 to a iPhone is ridiculous. If the iPhone had a keyboard, it would obviously be thicker.
You're seriously using the phone with the battery cover off? You're just begging for the thing to become damaged.
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try here this is only for european or AT&T, because no 3.5 audio jack.
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If this works, It would still need to be modded for the PTT button that att added.
I agree with the others above, there is not a huge difference in thickness.... a difference around the edges yes, but nothing major.
And put the case back b4 you void the warranty (ie above post, moister sensor)
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If you take the battery cover off you will see the the tilt 2, touch pro2 is not really thick at all. Htc just simply does not know how to design with THIN in mind. The seem to just about alwats miss the mark in COVER design.
If some manufaturer would make a slimmer solution to cover the back they would make some good cash!
Right now I'm making some sort of "cover" to keep me from returning the tilt. Im right now using it with no cover at all AND I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean take the cover off and hold it, fells GOOD doesnt it? Slide the screen up and use it, feels FANTASTIC. And it looks slim as well.
Man I hate the way they finish heir products!
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wanna see something thick, check that bad boy out. damnnn!
Does anybody think the note will have problems with build quality? I have already pre ordered one and I am having second thoughts now. I keep feeling like that flimsy battery door will be a "squeaker". Other than this concern I am very excited to receive mine!
it will likely fall apart minutes after you receive it. i hereby offer $200 via Paypal to keep you from that tragedy.
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it will likely fall apart minutes after you receive it. i hereby offer $200 via Paypal to keep you from that tragedy.
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I'll give $200 + shipping.
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corey_r said:
Does anybody think the note will have problems with build quality? I have already pre ordered one and I am having second thoughts now. I keep feeling like that flimsy battery door will be a "squeaker". Other than this concern I am very excited to receive mine!
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I don't think it will be an issue at all. All samsung phones as of late have the same flimsy plastic snap on back, and it's not an issue at all on my infuse. I think it's smart engineering, as somehow they keep a rock solid device while making it super thin and super light, all with plastic. I literally have to wrench on my phone to get the slightest squeak out of it.
I really dislike when every youtube review of any samsung phone complains about the battery cover, because it really isn't an issue.
Almost same like the Galaxy s2. Samsung phones dont have very good build quality
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I don't think it will be an issue at all. All samsung phones as of late have the same flimsy plastic snap on back, and it's not an issue at all on my infuse. I think it's smart engineering, as somehow they keep a rock solid device while making it super thin and super light, all with plastic. I literally have to wrench on my phone to get the slightest squeak out of it.
I really dislike when every youtube review of any samsung phone complains about the battery cover, because it really isn't an issue.
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The main reason this concerns me is because I had an htc amaze and it squeaked terribly. Thanks for the reply, you seem to know your stuff.
Back cover is thin and light but does not squeal.
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dipyamanabiswas07 said:
Almost same like the Galaxy s2. Samsung phones dont have very good build quality
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Wow your an idiot!! Samsung has pretty much the best build quality for smartphones and TV's on the market right now. Just YouTube drop tests to see for yourself.. If Samsung is such poor quality then why does every other smartphone company buy parts from them, displays especially?? Everytime you see a phone with a Super AMOLED it was made by Samsung.
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Wow your an idiot!! Samsung has pretty much the best build quality for smartphones and TV's on the market right. Just YouTube drop tests to see for yourself.. If Samsung is such poor quality then why does every other smartphone company buy parts from them, displays especially. Everytime you see a phone wit a Super AMOLED it was made by Samsung.
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Your argument doesn't really make any sense. First off, I can't imagine what TVs have to do with this. Yes, Samsung is one of the largest display manufacturers. Yes, they manufacture panels for other smartphone vendors. Yes, they make a lot of very good TVs too. None of this is related to build quality of smartphones.
Build quality can mean a lot of things, but the way I think of it is "how durable the phone looks and feels." Success at drop tests is certainly a part of it, but imo it's a pretty small part. Some people find that the light, plastic-y feel of Samsung phones seems cheap to them, especially when compared with, say, HTC phones, which tend to use aluminum unibodies. Some people worry that the back covers are fragile because they are thin and bend easily. There are any number of other little concerns that people roll into "build quality" too; part of the reason people tend to disagree so much is that it's a very broad term that covers a lot of aspects of a phone.
I personally don't think that Samsung build quality is poor; I've had several Samsung phones and have never had issues with squeaking of with parts breaking, and I am not convinced that it is statistically more likely for a plastic Samsung phone to break than a metal HTC one, and they are definitely less prone to damage than a glass iPhone. I can understand why some people prefer a heavier, metal or glass phone, but for me, I'm happier with the way Samsung's plastic construction makes their phones thinner and lighter. There are tradeoffs associated with pretty much all design decisions, and I generally feel that Samsung has made good ones.
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The main reason this concerns me is because I had an htc amaze and it squeaked terribly. Thanks for the reply, you seem to know your stuff.
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Thanks for the thanks, haha. I really can't be 100% positive about the note, seeing as I have not held one, but based on the recent track record of samsung, plastic phones can be just as solid as something made of metal. And the plastic definitely gives me peace of mind, as when my phone hits the ground, I know the plastic will absorb much more of the energy than metal will, making it less likely that my screen will shatter. This is most likely why samsung kicks ass in drop tests.
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Almost same like the Galaxy s2. Samsung phones dont have very good build quality
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I respectfully disagree. Just because it isn't made of metal, doesn't mean it doesn't have good build quality. With the combination of gorilla glass and the polycarbonate that samsung uses for their phones, I would say that in my honest opinion, they make some of the best phones out there. Not to mention the beautiful samoled displays that they use; i will never own another phone without a samoled screen. Yes, an iPhone 4 has very attractive design attributes, but for a device that I am carrying day in and day out, samsung has a better design to me. When is the last time you saw somebody without a case on their iphone? I run my infuse with no case because I can, and the fit and finish is every bit as nice.
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Wow your an idiot!! Samsung has pretty much the best build quality for smartphones and TV's on the market right now. Just YouTube drop tests to see for yourself.. If Samsung is such poor quality then why does every other smartphone company buy parts from them, displays especially?? Everytime you see a phone with a Super AMOLED it was made by Samsung.
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Please be respectful, no need to put down others, that's just their opinion. I agree with your reasoning, just not your tactics. Good point with the drop tests though, I forgot how dominant samsung is in those.
The build quality of Samsung phones are far superior to any other smart phones I've used it owned. People assume that plastic is cheap. The back of the note is high grade plastic... Keeps the phone light and won't break. Also, samsungs perform wonderfully in drop tests. To me that says quality build.
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Your argument doesn't really make any sense. First off, I can't imagine what TVs have to do with this. Yes, Samsung is one of the largest display manufacturers. Yes, they manufacture panels for other smartphone vendors. Yes, they make a lot of very good TVs too. None of this is related to build quality of smartphones.
Build quality can mean a lot of things, but the way I think of it is "how durable the phone looks and feels." Success at drop tests is certainly a part of it, but imo it's a pretty small part. Some people find that the light, plastic-y feel of Samsung phones seems cheap to them, especially when compared with, say, HTC phones, which tend to use aluminum unibodies. Some people worry that the back covers are fragile because they are thin and bend easily. There are any number of other little concerns that people roll into "build quality" too; part of the reason people tend to disagree so much is that it's a very broad term that covers a lot of aspects of a phone.
I personally don't think that Samsung build quality is poor; I've had several Samsung phones and have never had issues with squeaking of with parts breaking, and I am not convinced that it is statistically more likely for a plastic Samsung phone to break than a metal HTC one, and they are definitely less prone to damage than a glass iPhone. I can understand why some people prefer a heavier, metal or glass phone, but for me, I'm happier with the way Samsung's plastic construction makes their phones thinner and lighter. There are tradeoffs associated with pretty much all design decisions, and I generally feel that Samsung has made good ones.
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Sorry that was a quick emotional response. I just get mad when people just assume the light plastic of Samsung is poor. I've seen a lot of iPhones and HTC's break or have the screen crack from not very high drops.
I've dropped my infuse a couple of times with just a body glove case and it still looks like new. I think the extra weight of HTC's metal body makes the screen crack easier.
I like how the back cover is so thin that some cases for the note require you to remove that thin back cover all together as the case acts like the back cover. I think it was one that has a flip cover.
if the back cover was a more solid metal, then ppl would complain the Note is too heavy.
it is plastic for obviously a good reason i'd say.
There's nothing wrong with plastic. And there's no squeaks, I own the International version.
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Do you guys think that since it has a larger display it will be easier for the screen to crack in the unfortunate event of a drop? Also, will the note have gorilla glass? I have seen another thread posted about this topic but could not find any official answers. Thanks to everyone for all your opinions and info!
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Do you guys think that since it has a larger display it will be easier for the screen to crack in the unfortunate event of a drop? Also, will the note have gorilla glass? I have seen another thread posted about this topic but could not find any official answers. Thanks to everyone for all your opinions and info!
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Yes it has gorilla glass.
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Does anybody think the note will have problems with build quality? I have already pre ordered one and I am having second thoughts now. I keep feeling like that flimsy battery door will be a "squeaker". Other than this concern I am very excited to receive mine!
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The phone isn't even out yet. Do you see anyone complaining about the international note?
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The phone isn't even out yet. Do you see anyone complaining about the international note?
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Only about the screen, but nothing of build quality.
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Some people find that the light, plastic-y feel of Samsung phones seems cheap to them, especially when compared with, say, HTC phones, which tend to use aluminum unibodies.
^^I have always thought the Samsung phones felt fragile compaired to HTC's
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/108290897/iexpander-an-expansion-device-for-your-iphone-4-an?ref=live
Wouldn't this solve the problems of non-expandable memory and small battery?
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Wouldn't this solve the problems of non-expandable memory and small battery?
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Old thread from page 4, but I had to respond to this.
Innovative? Yeah, sure. BUT, do you see how big it made that iphone? Imagine how much bigger and bulkier the DNA would get with that case. There would be no reason to brag about how thin and light it is after that. haha
Not a bad idea tho like the expandable sd
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well that would be nice to have lol
I'd probably buy one just for traveling so I have extra storage for movies. Either way I'd Def buy one
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WHOA, now that was too close!
Damn, I was literally just in the process of emailing Seidio with a totally similar concept and calling it the MFC-3 or Multi-Function Case 3 because it was to protect the case, extend battery life by 1000mAh, and have a slot for microSD cards up to 64Gb, Since I'm military I wanted the case to be of the ruggedized style. The case would have three parts. The two piece internal, electronic case that is basically a Y-splitter. The lower part slips onto the bottom and slips into the phones charge port and the top section slides on and connects to the lower slot. This part of the case contains the battery booster, the microSD slot/port, and the charge/data port.
Then there is the soft gel cover slip that goes over the inner case and surrounds the ports and acts as a shock absorber.
Finally the hardened outer case to help protect those ports, the screen, and the rest of the phone.
I was hoping they could also do the same for Tablets that don't have MicroSD slots and who might just need a little extra juice but not so much that the device appears like crazy bulky. Maybe just enough additional power to give 2 more hours of power.
I'm glad and at the same time happy that I stopped in here and stumbled onto this thread. Would have been majorly embarassing after someone threw that in my face. LOL!
But lets be honest. HTC should have at least made this and option to purchase with the phone. It's almost like this system is more of a prototype or something. Anyway someone needs to make something for the power users who have the DNA. Otherwise I may have to figure out a way to slap a battery booster on this thing which is going to look totally crazy duct taped to a heavy otterbox. HA HA HA HA HA!
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I was looking at that a while back--didn't Apple deny them the microSD or something? I know it's bulky, but I wouldn't mind terribly if it could increase my battery stats. I'm getting 2 consecutive hours on wifi (GPS/4G off) and I can't tell if my own device's battery is wonky, or if this device just has a mediocre battery life.
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I was looking at that a while back--didn't Apple deny them the microSD or something? I know it's bulky, but I wouldn't mind terribly if it could increase my battery stats. I'm getting 2 consecutive hours on wifi (GPS/4G off) and I can't tell if my own device's battery is wonky, or if this device just has a mediocre battery life.
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That sounds like you have a defective battery.
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Rate this thread to express how you think the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge feels in terms of quality. A higher rating indicates that it feels premium and high-quality (attention to detail is high, manufacturing defects don't exist, etc).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I like the overall feel of the device, the housing is solid and slim; biggest gripe is that my gorilla glass 4 has a cut on the screen after 1 day of use. Not sure how this happened but almost certain it shouldn't have occured.
chavist said:
I like the overall feel of the device, the housing is solid and slim; biggest gripe is that my gorilla glass 4 has a cut on the screen after 1 day of use. Not sure how this happened but almost certain it shouldn't have occured.
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I've heard that GG4 was made to be more shatter resistant at the expense of hardness not sure how true this isbthough. But you're not the only one who got scratches on their s7. Some reviewers also say they had gotten scratches with the s7 during normal use while having none on their other devices.
Definitely the most expensive feeling phone that I've ever owned. It is also the most delicate and fragile feeling one.
Pop / Crack sound on the back glass
It seem my unit has a problem on the back glass next to the camera. There is a gap between the glass and the frame and if you press it there it makes a loud pop sound, making it feel pretty low quality. Also the edges make it quite difficult to use the phone lying down, holding it above your head. In general almost all of the front side has some touch sensitive areas, so the phone is quite difficult to pick up without pressing something (with an open app for example).
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Definitely the most expensive feeling phone that I've ever owned. It is also the most delicate and fragile feeling one.
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You have to be joking. The S6 had a prem feel. the S7 feels cheap and the design is lacking!
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You have to be joking. The S6 had a prem feel. the S7 feels cheap and the design is lacking!
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No, you're joking right. Design is almost identical to s6 same design with some refinements. They use the same material being glass and metal, so how you're saying s6 feels premium and the s7 doesn't makes 0% sense.
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You have to be joking. The S6 had a prem feel. the S7 feels cheap and the design is lacking!
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I didn't own an s6, so...
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The build quality is top notch. No, no, it really is quality. It is heavy enough that it feels like an expensive device, but not heavy enough that it becomes a workout after holding it too long.
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The build quality is top notch. No, no, it really is quality. It is heavy enough that it feels like an expensive device, but not heavy enough that it becomes a workout after holding it too long.
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+1 here.. more premium looking than my old s6
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Hde some issues with mine that is more down to quality controll (lots of unity that was shipped out quick to meet demands).
First one hade issues with home button.
Second one volume down did not work.
Third one very tine hairline scratch i top coner on the rear camera lens (not sure if i can this one exhanged as it's very hard to spot if you dont know it's there)
Also, plastic home button? This could as well be harden glass to minimize scratches.
But all i all the phone i well built and feels good in the hand. A screen protector and case it's still sadly needed though as we know from before that gorilla glass 4 is more drop safe than scratch safe compared to gorilla glass 3.
You can't have both scratch safe and drop safe glass yet sadly
Overall Design is good. The first thing that is UNIMPRESSIVE is the Sim Card Tray is made of plastic! Would Samsung ever come out of this plastic trend completely? I know we cannot live without plastic. still, the sim tray should have been metal. Also, it becomes sticky after holding for some time. So wipe and wipe again again to keep the look Premium.
A 5* for rest of the design.
I dislike the glass on the back of the phone it makes the phone feel fragile
Broke in 1.5 weeks, bad quality
Quality feel does not mean much if you drop the phone from your pocket and it breaks.
How does a company who supposed does drop test call a phone that breaks on first drop a premium quality phone.
If one is able to find and read the S7 Edge warranty, it does not cover "accidents, water, dirt, or any other damage". Imagine that. The "gorilla glass" and IP68 means nothing.
I'm really sorry that I want from an iPhone to a Samsung S7 edge. I had expected more for how much I paid for a "premium" phone.
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Quality feel does not mean much if you drop the phone from your pocket and it breaks.
How does a company who supposed does drop test call a phone that breaks on first drop a premium quality phone.
If one is able to find and read the S7 Edge warranty, it does not cover "accidents, water, dirt, or any other damage". Imagine that. The "gorilla glass" and IP68 means nothing.
I'm really sorry that I want from an iPhone to a Samsung S7 edge. I had expected more for how much I paid for a "premium" phone.
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I don't really know the details for the warranty but saying that a phone isn't premium because it may break on the first drop is like saying that a Ferrari isn't premium because it may scratch/get dents in its first accident. Just saying maybe if you own a Ferrari or an expensive phone just be a little more careful.
Coming from a Meizu MX5 this phone feels fantastic! Part of me does miss the solid feeling of aluminium and I kind of agree with alwayslearning, it does feel a little fragile. Mines in a Spigen clear case at the moment but that detracts from its style so I've got a ultimateshield on the way instead!
Certainly looks more stylish than an iPhone but perhaps not as robust?
I just received mine today... and so far i like it a lot. I personally think the quality is up there. The form factor is really good and is to me hits the magic spot between size and usability. I'm coming from a Note 5 and i really apreciate how compact this feels in the hand.
Is it perfect? No, but then nothing ever is. I am very happy with it so far. I'm ok with the glass back.. had it on the Note 5 and im really pretty careful with my tech.
Anyway, ive only been able to play with it for a couple of hours so far and i hope my opinion of it doesnt change. At this very moment I love it.
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wznazir said:
I don't really know the details for the warranty but saying that a phone isn't premium because it may break on the first drop is like saying that a Ferrari isn't premium because it may scratch/get dents in its first accident. Just saying maybe if you own a Ferrari or an expensive phone just be a little more careful.
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To be clear, I was really looking forward to the S7 edge. Maybe it is just expectations for mobile phones. I'll let others wordsmith "premium". For me, premium is paid for appearance and performance. I'm expecting scratches and dents. But cracked at 2 feet?
Everyone product category has a level of expected performance, durability (and in cases of cars, Safety) for that specific category.
Using the analogy of a Ferrari is a bit of a stretch and false analogy. Nonetheless, to use your analogy, For a Ferrari, you expect power/speed, quality materials, sexy appearance, and if you hit something going 25 mph, you survive. The last part, you expect of any motor vehicle. It's a pretty low bar. If I drove it 200 mph, I would have NO expectation of surviving. There are certain things you expect from a car (let alone a premium car).
For a premium phone, you expect power/speed, quality, some sex appeal, and if you drop 2 feet, it doesn't crack. The last part, you expect of any mobile phone. It's a pretty low bar. If I dropped 20 feet, I would have no expectation of it surviving. Mobile phones are built with the expectation of a typical life of a mobile phone. Yes, that includes drops. And I'm pretty sure all mobile phone manufactures do drop test and built to it.
A friend responded that she dropped her S7 edge around 10 times with no issue. Yes, that is what I would expect! (ignore that that 10 drops in 2 weeks would be considered pretty clumsy by any standard). I don't necessary understand why others have lower expectations of a mobile phone.
Another way to think about it is to compare to how competitors treat "premium". Remember iphone 6 bend-gate? I never thought of putting a phone in my back pocket, but peoples expectation is that a phone is mobile and doesn't bend. Frankly I was surprised Apple made folks whole. The difference? A premium service for a premium product. I'm not saying Apple is perfect. IMHO, it is better than Samsung in their approach.
I just did a search on google, and discover review sites warning that the S7 edge is much easier to crack. Wish I knew that before hand. It was my mistake to assume S7 edge would be similar quality as S6 edge +. How many here have seen drop test of S6 on youtube? Amazing.
Really sad given that S7 edge has so much potential. Now, I have to look at a $800 Samsung "premium" everyday. I think others are more forgiving then me with this experience. I've not given up on Android. Just Samsung "premium".
my 2 cents.
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To be clear, I was really looking forward to the S7 edge. Maybe it is just expectations for mobile phones. I'll let others wordsmith "premium". For me, premium is paid for appearance and performance. I'm expecting scratches and dents. But cracked at 2 feet?
Everyone product category has a level of expected performance, durability (and in cases of cars, Safety) for that specific category.
Using the analogy of a Ferrari is a bit of a stretch and false analogy. Nonetheless, to use your analogy, For a Ferrari, you expect power/speed, quality materials, sexy appearance, and if you hit something going 25 mph, you survive. The last part, you expect of any motor vehicle. It's a pretty low bar. If I drove it 200 mph, I would have NO expectation of surviving. There are certain things you expect from a car (let alone a premium car).
For a premium phone, you expect power/speed, quality, some sex appeal, and if you drop 2 feet, it doesn't crack. The last part, you expect of any mobile phone. It's a pretty low bar. If I dropped 20 feet, I would have no expectation of it surviving. Mobile phones are built with the expectation of a typical life of a mobile phone. Yes, that includes drops. And I'm pretty sure all mobile phone manufactures do drop test and built to it.
A friend responded that she dropped her S7 edge around 10 times with no issue. Yes, that is what I would expect! (ignore that that 10 drops in 2 weeks would be considered pretty clumsy by any standard). I don't necessary understand why others have lower expectations of a mobile phone.
Another way to think about it is to compare to how competitors treat "premium". Remember iphone 6 bend-gate? I never thought of putting a phone in my back pocket, but peoples expectation is that a phone is mobile and doesn't bend. Frankly I was surprised Apple made folks whole. The difference? A premium service for a premium product. I'm not saying Apple is perfect. IMHO, it is better than Samsung in their approach.
I just did a search on google, and discover review sites warning that the S7 edge is much easier to crack. Wish I knew that before hand. It was my mistake to assume S7 edge would be similar quality as S6 edge +. How many here have seen drop test of S6 on youtube? Amazing.
Really sad given that S7 edge has so much potential. Now, I have to look at a $800 Samsung "premium" everyday. I think others are more forgiving then me with this experience. I've not given up on Android. Just Samsung "premium".
my 2 cents.
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There's a lot more to consider. They made millions of those phones and can't expect them to have the exact same build (while yes, they are all very close). Also, the drop has to be taken into consideration. If your friend drops hers 10 times on carpet or from like 1 feet, sure it won't get damaged. If you drop it from 2 feet on concrete, now that's a different story. The angle to which it drops and lend also makes a big difference. The device isn't it's strongest on every angle and some will definitely break it easily (take an egg for example, which is hard to break at the top and bottom but sides are flimsy).
Anyway, just this to say that while I agree it shouldn't break so easily. It can and will happen depending on quite a few facts, whether it is a "premium" device or not.
As a side note, Apple sell "premium" devices as well for the same price which also break and crack, comparing them is pointless without all the facts They'd have to be put through the exact same drop (angle, speed, material on which they drop) and even then, they'd both have angles at which they resist/survive better and worse since they're built differently.
LG G5 painted in plastic coating?
Jerry rig everything video shows alot of proof.
Most of the professional reviewers are scared to speak the truth. Why? Are you scared of LG?
It is a die-cast aluminium body which then has the antennas placed on the outside (because the signals wouldn't get through the metal) there is then a primer to help the paint bond to the aluminium and cover up the antennas. They then use a microdised finish over the top which is effectively a metallic paint.
It's not plastic it's just not been machined and anodised. They were going for a different take on the metal body that could allow them to hide the antennas.
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It is a die-cast aluminium body which then has the antennas placed on the outside (because the signals wouldn't get through the metal) there is then a primer to help the paint bond to the aluminium and cover up the antennas. They then use a microdised finish over the top which is effectively a metallic paint.
It's not plastic it's just not been machined and anodised. They were going for a different take on the metal body that could allow them to hide the antennas.
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A diffrent take lol. That plastic coating pretty much negates the need of having metal in a phone. Just make it out plastic if ythats all ill feel when holding it !
Most concerning part is the display assembly. So thin that you can see the pressure points when you select something. Maybe i am to demanding idk, but all the different phones over the years i have never experienced such thing.
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A diffrent take lol. That plastic coating pretty much negates the need of having metal in a phone. Just make it out plastic if ythats all ill feel when holding it !
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You get the benefit of heat dissipation and rigidity/strength of the metal body instead of a plastic body.
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You get the benefit of heat dissipation and rigidity/strength of the metal body instead of a plastic body.
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im pretty sure no one complained about such thing with S5/G4 and earlier devices that used full plastic builds. You are delusional my friend, they are missleading consumers, & then coming out with some bs excuse, "we are doing it differently, we didnt want to do what everyone else is doing" !
I'm not delusional, people just seem to have got it stuck in their heads it is basically a full plastic build. There is plastic in every metal phone, just of varying degrees.
I've no issue with the way they have constructed the phone. If you don't like it then don't buy it.
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I'm not delusional, people just seem to have got it stuck in their heads it is basically a full plastic build. There is plastic in every metal phone, just of varying degrees.
I've no issue with the way they have constructed the phone. If you don't like it then don't buy it.
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i sure as hell won't buy it, i already bought the S7Edge, and it doesnt have any plastic, at least none that makes contact with my hands !
FalconFX said:
i sure as hell won't buy it, i already bought the S7Edge, and it doesnt have any plastic, at least none that makes contact with my hands !
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Great
So what you doing hanging around the G5 forum then? Bye troll.
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Great
So what you doing hanging around the G5 forum then? Bye troll.
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i gotta see ppls experiences with the G5, its good to know how good the competition is doing this year , apparently there is none so far
I got the S7 Edge as well but was hanging around here to see if I liked the G5 as I still have one more jump until July with Tmobiles jump on demand.
Looks like I'll be waiting to see what the HTC 10 brings to the table.
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I'm not delusional, people just seem to have got it stuck in their heads it is basically a full plastic build. There is plastic in every metal phone, just of varying degrees.
I've no issue with the way they have constructed the phone. If you don't like it then don't buy it.
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I agree with you. Peoples' ignorance is funny to read on here lol.
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The truth is LG G5 is ugly phone compared to galaxy S7 edge. I even think HTC 10 will be better then LG G5.
Am sorry to say.
umbrokhan said:
The truth is LG G5 is ugly phone compared to galaxy S7 edge. I even think HTC 10 will be better then LG G5.
Am sorry to say.
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definetly, the chanfer might be too big, but still, they are fixing what was broken in previous gens, & there software is the top OEM skin out there, so yeah it will be a good competitor to the S7/Edge.
It's called paint people get over it, especially from your gs7s
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seriously… this device has not been shipped worldwide yet and people already start complaining about built quality. get a life.
i preordered my g5 including a free camera module and i'm proud of that decision so far.
all thats left is that they start shipping to germany.
I keep wanting to think that the GS7E is good lucking. Maybe it's just that I'm coming from the G3 but....it just seems too damn narrow! But to be honest, the biggest problem is that I can't play with the GS7E at any of the stores, they're all on demo mode...maybe I should go into another carrier's store where there's one I can actually demo. Can anyone tell me whether your carrier typically has its demo phones NOT on retail mode? I'm on sprint here (and still undecided between G5/GS7E/GS7).
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Ok thank you for reporting me. And thank you for calling me names and insulting me. Anything else you want to add?
Plus am not forcing you to read my comments. You choose to read them your self. So blame your self not me. You can click ignore button but still you want to read my comments.
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I per-ordered the G5 and got it Friday. I have had no issues with. This whole metal vs. plastic issue is a joke. Structurally speaking, this is great phone. They had to switch to the thin metal aluminum in the back because of the void between the back and the screen when you take out the battery. And when you do take the battery out, there's very little to no deflection.
I have an metal body iphone 5s for work and i hate it. This is so much better.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0
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Yeah am glad your happy with your new phone and you not insulting me like the other guy is.
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I'm not here to insult, just to inform on my experience thus far. However, i wish you wouldn't be commenting so negatively on this phone without using it for some considerable time. A 10 minute in-store demo use of the phone shouldn't count especially when you are looking for all the negatives. When i pick up a phone in the store i look for all the negatives first before the positives.
Like I said, the look and fell of this phone is great after 4 days of use. The main selling point for me was the removable battery and the camera. The battery seems like it's very easy to swap and the camera is superb. I took it to a show on Friday and the pictures where incredible especially in wide view. I'm sure the 7s takes better pictures, but i really like the wide angle.
I personally don't care for all the friends modules they're advertising.
Had i read your comments before i purchased the phone, i probably wouldn't have bought the phone. Let me know if you have any other questions and I'll be happy to answer.