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Hi All,
I am a newbie here and I am not sure if my question makes any sense. Couple weeks back, I bought an Atrix 4g (US version), an unlocked version (the seller told me that this phone is unlocked using AT&T code) and I am using it with Vodafone (India) sim. It works perfectly and so far I didnt face any problems with this phone. But last week, I got an alert in my phone saying that software update (2.3.4.5.141) is available for AT&T users and enable wifi to download. However, I didnt download and install the update as I was not sure why is it saying the update is available only for AT&T users. Also wherever I read about this software udpate, the name 'AT&T users' comes along with that.
So my doubt here is, what will happen if I, who is not an AT&T user, download and install the software update in my phone ? will it cause any issues in the phone (like getting locked again or bricking the phone)
I have not done any modification like rooting or installing custom ROM and things like that and I am using the phone as I recieved it.
Thanks in advance for your help.
-Qaddaffi
I would personally NOT update the phone since the update would probably relock the phone for the ATT carrier. The update is great I heard.
By the way, when you boot up the phone, does the phone say unlocked in the top left corner of the screen on the Motorola dual core screen?
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I've even heard people saying that updating using AT&T, from any rom with an unlocked bootloader, can cause bricks. I wouldn't update under any circumstances.
I hear people are having problems with the 2.3.6 AT&T update anyways, like APN/mobile network issues.
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I've even heard people saying that updating using AT&T, from any rom with an unlocked bootloader, can cause bricks. I wouldn't update under any circumstances.
I hear people are having problems with the 2.3.6 AT&T update anyways, like APN/mobile network issues.
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The phone the op means is unlocked by carrier not bootloader.
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I believe that the update does not block your phone. The chip lock, as far as I know, is independent of the device firmware update. In your case, I would upgrade.
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The phone the op means is unlocked by carrier not bootloader.
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Oh, my bad. I think I realized that later. Sorry.
If the guy/girl you got the phone from stated they used an "AT&T" code, it might have been unlocked the official way, through AT&T, meaning you wouldn't have any problems updating. Just note that if you update, you may have problems like other people are having. I'm not sure if AT&T's fixed it, or if the problems were from the official update even. It may have been a beta build. I don't know.
I'd say go for it. Just note that rooting might be a problem after you update, if you decide to root it later. I'm not sure if we have a method of rooting for it yet. (I can't look it up right now, sorry)
I just purchased a rooted note from ebay. It's had the radio flashed to use tmobile 4g and so far not too bad. I want to upgrade to ics and try some different roms but i'm afraid to lose the root, unlock, and radio for tmobile. Can I upgrade to ics or even test out different roms without worry?
Im not sure since i dont use tmo...but i read a thread the other day where someone commented and said "if your not 100% sure...do nothing" follow this rule of thumb especially when dealing with non carrier situations.
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housedogg said:
I just purchased a rooted note from ebay. It's had the radio flashed to use tmobile 4g and so far not too bad. I want to upgrade to ics and try some different roms but i'm afraid to lose the root, unlock, and radio for tmobile. Can I upgrade to ics or even test out different roms without worry?
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You will not loose root or unlock. However you may loose the T-Mobile radio but that is no big deal just redownload it and flash it on top of the new rom. Make sure you do tuns of resurch on the rom you want and how to flash to ensure you don't brick your device. Knowledge is power and we all had to start somewhere don't be afraid to customize your device just be smart about it.
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T-mobile note users ....
I'm posting this thread as a request for information today.....let me explain.
Within the past few weeks, many members have reported sim card errors on their tmo devices after root and flash of custom roms.
I personally know about 5 devices within the week that have suffered this failure.....3 of which, have been recovered by downgrading to Gingerbread .....
I'm sure there are many more sim issues we haven't heard about, as they likely haven't posted.
My intent here, is to have as many tmo users as possible, post your flash success or failure, in an attempt to prevent more sim failure issues.
Although I'm an ATT note user, I'm willing to help monitor and collect data here, so future users won't suffer the same fate.
2 of these failed devices were sent for repair, even though they were only days old, and worked perfectly prior to root and flash.
So please, if you are using the T-mobile network........please post your history and results.
Together we will likely find the cause .
And perhaps generate enough attention to the issues, that a fix can be found...
I am not attempting to cause panic, but I feel we need to fix the problem now, before we have dozens of affected units, rather than just a few.
Many thanks in advance ....g
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I would mention that many t-mobile subscribers cannot get good data and voice while using the at&t version of the note. With the choice of an at&t and a t-mobile model, you should get the t-mobile model -- you will be happier in the long run.
Happy T-mobile user
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I would mention that many t-mobile subscribers cannot get good data and voice while using the at&t version of the note. With the choice of an at&t and a t-mobile model, you should get the t-mobile model -- you will be happier in the long run.
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I bought an AT&T note off craigslist about a month ago. It was unlocked, before I handed over the cash I put my T-mobile sim in and called a friend he said it sounded great so I bought it. I did a couple of speed tests with it and usually get between 3 and 6 mbps down and a lot slower up. I've had no problems, everything works great including GPS. It's running ICS 4.04 stock AT&T ROM and the baseband is unknown. I don't know who unlocked and set it up but they did a great job as far as I'm concerned. YMMV
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It's all good ranger ....
Any and all info on the T-Mobile network while using the ATT note is welcome ....even the success stories.
I did request both in the OP, as I feel that we need both sides of the user responses to nail this thing down.
I do appreciate your response, and ask you for any assistance you can provide here.
This problem is so odd .....as it's not a brick ....but yet it is ....g
I sold my note to a TMo user...called them today(two days after) and they said it was working amazing....it was rooted and unlocked by an amazingly awesome person though(haha jkjk). The guy never rooted before and said the speed tests were rocking his gfs GS3 in TMo and the clarity of the call was great as well....ait could be a root issue or ROM issue though...
As far as unlocking if the pgones unlocked any way except for calling ATT customer care there is always that risk...plus a three minute phone call and giving someone your imei shouldnt be too much hassle .. So theres that dudes exoeruence from someone that knows what they are doing(kind of)...
The rom I left him on was AOCP CP3 by the collective jsyk
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I unlocked my phone from ebay, running the latest blackstar Rom, and im getting speeds that my old T989 get. No sim card issues.
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Kflan....
noting the unlock method here.....
I believe you are right.....We have many service unlock options, but only one that is safe....and thats the carrier method...
could this be as simple as users not unlocking the sim prior to root and flash ??? or an improper unlock ???
I'm hoping we can get some users in here to clarify that possibility for us.
Many thanks for bringing that up....g
Thank you Rob....
I appreciate the reply, and I'm glad your device is working as it should...
Several others are not so lucky....g
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Thank you Rob....
I appreciate the reply, and I'm glad your device is working as it should...
Several others are not so lucky....g
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Was it a specific Rom or recovery that caused their problem?
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Rob4828 said:
Was it a specific Rom or recovery that caused their problem?
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Users on the T-Mobile network, are losing the ability too see or access the sim card, after rooting and flashing the device with a custom rom.
Generally they are flashing ICS, but we also have some users reporting sim loss while using GB roms as well.
We know a few things that are leading to a possible cause.
The first is the carrier offset (my term for t-mobile users with an ATT device )
The second is the need for carrier unlock for the device to be used at all with t-mobile.
The third is the inability to restore "any " sim activity after the failure....(although a few users have been successful after a complete unroot and downgrade to GB .
Although I haven't yet found a pattern in this ....I have reason to believe we are seeing a carrier related lockout of some kind, as the sim functions fine in other devices, and the device functions normally minus it's ability to detect the sim or any network.
Perhaps a good next step, would be to re-lock the device to the carrier again, after a complete stock restore of the device.
I wish that we had an affected device to try this with, but unfortunately, the affected users are returning the device for repair or replacement.
Not all users will, as they need a working device immediately, and are trying desperately to restore functionality.
That being said, I'm hoping this thread will draw an affected user here, so we can explore more aggressive, and hopefully effective solutions.
I can't ask anyone to risk a device beyond their willingness to try, and with some proactive thoughts from our fantastic user base, we will crack this problem open, and create a fix.
We all know the risks involved in flashing firmware images, but since we are now crossing not only the root/flash barrier, we are adding the carrier change into the mix. And that brings it's own unique set of challenges to the table.
I sincerely appreciate any and all help, in my search to help our note users succeed in fixing the ghost in this machine ....g
I know this is a noob question but I've been reading all these t-mo service/I717 threads cuz I'm thinking of doing this. Does rooting the phone unlock it? I'm on the liquid jb rom.
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I would like to echo what rangercaptain said earlier in the thread, regarding the fact that the SGH-I717 was never designed to run on the T-Mobile network.
And although we have virtually identical hardware and operational features, clearly something is different enough to cause this issue.
And I "do not " believe it is user error.
In the meantime, I would advise any user thinking about converting the ATT note to use on the T-Mobile network, to think very hard before attempting to do so......at least, until a verified and working solution can be found.
Ultimately, we need a bone stock ATT note, and a t-mobile user brave enough to try the process repeatedly, until the cause is identified, by eliminating one process at a time ...g
nystreak said:
I know this is a noob question but I've been reading all these t-mo service/I717 threads cuz I'm thinking of doing this. Does rooting the phone unlock it? I'm on the liquid jb rom.
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Rooting a device simply gives it's user the administrator rights needed to access the protected system and data sections of the device, that are normally reserved to the factory, carrier, and programming engineers of the software.
It does nothing to unlock you from your carrier.
That is done by contacting the carrier, and requesting that service.
It is also possible to be unlocked by a third party, but clearly their are risks involved in doing so while using the ATT note on the t-mobile network.
We are working very hard to correct the current "no sim card present" issue ...g
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T-mobile note users ....
I'm posting this thread as a request for information today.....let me explain.
Within the past few weeks, many members have reported sim card errors on their tmo devices after root and flash of custom roms.
I personally know about 5 devices within the week that have suffered this failure.....3 of which, have been recovered by downgrading to Gingerbread .....
I'm sure there are many more sim issues we haven't heard about, as they likely haven't posted.
My intent here, is to have as many tmo users as possible, post your flash success or failure, in an attempt to prevent more sim failure issues.
Although I'm an ATT note user, I'm willing to help monitor and collect data here, so future users won't suffer the same fate.
2 of these failed devices were sent for repair, even though they were only days old, and worked perfectly prior to root and flash.
So please, if you are using the T-mobile network........please post your history and results.
Together we will likely find the cause .
And perhaps generate enough attention to the issues, that a fix can be found...
I am not attempting to cause panic, but I feel we need to fix the problem now, before we have dozens of affected units, rather than just a few.
Many thanks in advance ....g
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I have been running the AT&T i717 note on the T-Mo network since Tomin figured out how to get the 4g working, many months ago. I have not had problems with voice quality or sim card issues. I have run the Saurom GB roms, Goldie's Only1, many ICS roms, and now am on the stock T-Mo rom with the Blaze ICS modem.Tried all the modems, and Blaze works best for me. YMMV. I got a new sim from T-Mo to enable wifi calling. My data averages 3-5 megs, upload 1-1.8 megs, but at work I regularly hit 14 meg download. But like everyone, the speed is erratic, but functional for everything I do, including streaming netflix. My speeds were faster and more consistant with the GB roms, but the ICS speeds are plenty fast. I unlocked my phone with cellunlocker.com I think was the service. Nothing but a success story with my AT&T note on T-Mobile. And I get to keep my unlimited, unthrottled $5.99/month grandfathered data plan with 4g (if I used a "known" to T-Mo 4g phone I would have to upgrade. The AT&T note is "unknown" to T-Mo, If I got the T-Mo note it would trigger new data charges). For me, this is the point of the whole excersize. I have been lucky, and the Phoenix area has good coverage for me as far as T-Mo. This has been my experience.
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I have been running the AT&T i717 note on the T-Mo network since Tomin figured out how to get the 4g working, many months ago. I have not had problems with voice quality or sim card issues. I have run the Saurom GB roms, Goldie's Only1, many ICS roms, and now am on the stock T-Mo rom with the Blaze ICS modem.Tried all the modems, and Blaze works best for me. YMMV. I got a new sim from T-Mo to enable wifi calling. My data averages 3-5 megs, upload 1-1.8 megs, but at work I regularly hit 14 meg download. But like everyone, the speed is erratic, but functional for everything I do, including streaming netflix. My speeds were faster and more consistant with the GB roms, but the ICS speeds are plenty fast. I unlocked my phone with cellunlocker.com I think was the service. Nothing but a success story with my AT&T note on T-Mobile. And I get to keep my unlimited, unthrottled $5.99/month grandfathered data plan with 4g (if I used a "known" to T-Mo 4g phone I would have to upgrade. The AT&T note is "unknown" to T-Mo, If I got the T-Mo note it would trigger new data charges). For me, this is the point of the whole excersize. I have been lucky, and the Phoenix area has good coverage for me as far as T-Mo. This has been my experience.
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Many thanks for this great post !!
this is exactly what I'm looking for !!
A detailed review of the device activity....It seems you are indeed the lucky one today. And I appreciate your willingness to post up...
Should you see any odd behavior on the device, in particular any sim error messages etc. please post here if you dont mind.......g
Never had problems flashing ROMS, have a i717 with Simple Mobile (Tmo signal). Flashed everything, from GB to JB. Running right now FJ's JB AOSPxXx v2.1 and running like a charm!
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Never had problems flashing ROMS, have a i717 with Simple Mobile (Tmo signal). Flashed everything, from GB to JB. Running right now FJ's JB AOSPxXx v2.1 and running like a charm!
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Good news as well....
So far we are 2 for 2 ......too the positive......in this thread.
Lets hope that trend continues...
Many thanks Master....g
Mine was rooted then I unlocked it so maybe try rooting first unlocking second?
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I have purchased and activated a Samsung Galaxy s3 from Straight Talk model number SCH-S960L. My first question is am I able to flash from Straight Talk Sprint to Straight Talk Verizon. Second question is, since I have activated the phone will I be able to flash it at all. I have searched and searched the forums everywhere for an answer to these questions. If anyone could give me some assistance it would be greatly appreciated.
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Interesting questions I would also like to know. I'm fairly new to this, but my two cents on this topic is this: from what I know the sch-s960l uses sprints network so if u flashed to verizon I'm not sure 4g would work because they are on different frequencies. Otherwise I wld also like to do this cuz sprint sucks in my area so no 4g for me anyway. But I believe you can still flash after activating I don't think that matters. We need a rom that will not brick our phones or hinder any features while also getting the new s4 features (hint hint). I've said b4 will say again...I WILL DONATE to anyone who can help with our sch-s960l issues
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Hello forum-goers! It seems that I am at a crossroad right now. I have been researching switching to T-mobile for the past few months now (I was sold on the Wi-Fi calling feature). I just had a few questions before doing so.
1) Would you guys recommend switching over to T-Mo now or should I wait for the new, new to to switch over (I haven't owned an HTC since the Touch Pro 2 and the One is a pretty sweet device).
2) Does anyone have the insurance/JUMP program, I am pretty clumsy with my phone so I have the insurance with Sprint on my current Samsung Galaxy S II? Would you recommend getting a different type of insurance (like SquareTrade)?
3) Does anyone have any experience using this device in the SF Bay Area? I have heard plenty of good news, but it's mostly in different states.
4) I was flashing ROMs on the Touch Pro 2 (Windows Mobile 6.x) and the E4GT is my first Android phone, what is the learning curve with HTC Android devices?
I don't have much to add but I will say WiFi calling is great to have considering T Mobile's poor building penetration. Sending and receiving text is not an issue but when having an actual phone conversation the other party can't hear you to a few seconds after you said it and the whole conversation sometimes become awkward and confusing deciding who needs to speak next, but its serves its purpose.
As far as the jump program goes its really not a bad idea as long as you get approve for no money down on the original headset or else it really makes jump seems like a bit of a rip off considering you could sell the phone yourself outright and not lose out on the initial deposit you made on the phone.
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i just switched from sprint to T-Mobile and havent looked back once. was worth the 180 ETF. I really really wanted to stay with sprint but their service just kept getting worse and worse as they "upgraded" towers. I do have the jump program and i dont see why you want to use a different insurance. its ten bucks for full insurance (sprint was 11 or 12 now i think) plus it allows you to upgrade every 6 months if you wanted to. I have the ONE and i really dont see myself upgrading anytime unless something amazing comes out. The phone really is fantastic.
I'm in NJ so no experience in SF.
Flashing is pretty simple once you do the initial setup which there is self contained programs here in forums that can help simplify that for you. right now im still on stock because i really like the wifi calling and most other roms beyond 4.2.1 dont support it yet. hopefully in the next month the update will be out.
hope this helps a bit.
Glen
g4me0v3r said:
Hello forum-goers! It seems that I am at a crossroad right now. I have been researching switching to T-mobile for the past few months now (I was sold on the Wi-Fi calling feature). I just had a few questions before doing so.
1) Would you guys recommend switching over to T-Mo now or should I wait for the new, new to to switch over (I haven't owned an HTC since the Touch Pro 2 and the One is a pretty sweet device).
2) Does anyone have the insurance/JUMP program, I am pretty clumsy with my phone so I have the insurance with Sprint on my current Samsung Galaxy S II? Would you recommend getting a different type of insurance (like SquareTrade)?
3) Does anyone have any experience using this device in the SF Bay Area? I have heard plenty of good news, but it's mostly in different states.
4) I was flashing ROMs on the Touch Pro 2 (Windows Mobile 6.x) and the E4GT is my first Android phone, what is the learning curve with HTC Android devices?
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I ended up pulling the trigger and so far the experience is great.
Stock, out-the-box the device is fantastic, I've never seen something so fluid without some tweaking done to it.
The service in my house is a bit similar to Sprint but WiFi calling negates that. When traveling around I get 4GLTE pretty much every where I go. I have yet to try it in my work environment, but since that is in SF I'm sure I won't have any problems. The only thing is, I signed up for the 2 GB plan. I've never really tracked my data usage since Sprint was unlimited, so I'll just have to wait and see if that is enough.
I am still reading up on how to flash the device, it's a completely different process from my old E4GT. But I am definitely excited to be onto something new and can't wait until I am able to figure out the whole process.
Thank you both for responding to my questions!
Welcome to the T-Mobile, HTC One fam. Best decision ever I'm telling you!
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Welcome to the T-Mobile, HTC One fam. Best decision ever I'm telling you!
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Thanks, so far I am definitely loving everything. The phone is super sweet and T-Mobile's Wifi calling helps when cell reception isn't up to snuff. The only downside is the lack of T-Mobile ROMs.
Overall, I couldn't be happier.
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Thanks, so far I am definitely loving everything. The phone is super sweet and T-Mobile's Wifi calling helps when cell reception isn't up to snuff. The only downside is the lack of T-Mobile ROMs.
Overall, I couldn't be happier.
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You can flash any rom, even the international ones. You'll just lose wifi calling.
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You can flash any rom, even the international ones. You'll just lose wifi calling.
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I'm also considering moving to tmobile 99% chance I will. I currently have a sprint s4 so how would you flash the international roms? Just flash it then flash a kernel like on the S4 or just flash the rom. Thanks.
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I'm also considering moving to tmobile 99% chance I will. I currently have a sprint s4 so how would you flash the international roms? Just flash it then flash a kernel like on the S4 or just flash the rom. Thanks.
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No kernel needed. I assume you're going to get the T-mobile One and not keep the S4 right? Then yeah, no kernel needed. Just root, install twrp/cwm and flash any rom you want from the international XDA section. Its what I've done (except I have the att model unlocked to tmobile) and it works great. You can even flash the Google play edition roms too.
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You can flash any rom, even the international ones. You'll just lose wifi calling.
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I am using the $30/month 100 min/5G-4G Data. Since for prepaid, t-mobile wifi calling still eats minutes......I've swapped to using Groove IP + Google Voice for all my needs. Ported my old Sprint # To Google Voice for $20.00 and have been happy ever since.
Just have to make sure to setup Google Voice app to get all SMS's and call or chat with T-mobile CS to turn off T-Mobile voicemail, as prepaid cannot forward to google voice properly as post paid.
All in all, I'm very happy with T-mobile, and will never, ever miss sprint. Ever.
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No kernel needed. I assume you're going to get the T-mobile One and not keep the S4 right? Then yeah, no kernel needed. Just root, install twrp/cwm and flash any rom you want from the international XDA section. Its what I've done (except I have the att model unlocked to tmobile) and it works great. You can even flash the Google play edition roms too.
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Thanks for the reply I'm still debating on getting a tmo s4 or a tmo htc one but my current s4 laggs alot so the htc one seems like the better phone. Also how's the battery life?
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nicotheandroidguy said:
I'm also considering moving to tmobile 99% chance I will. I currently have a sprint s4 so how would you flash the international roms? Just flash it then flash a kernel like on the S4 or just flash the rom. Thanks.
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Coming from the Sprint GS 2 E4GT, flashing seemed so easy, with all the videos from QBKing77, the thorough guides on how to flash the phone, even the super easy one-clicks, flashing was a cake walk. After reading guides on how to flash the HTC One, I thought that I was going to end up bricking my phone.
Luckily I was able to find some videos from Flow Wolf and QBKing77 which basically walks you through the steps on Unlocking the Bootloader, obtaining root, and flashing the recovery. From there, flashing the ROM works just like it does on Samsung devices, with the exception of having to flash the kernel separately.
Last night I flashed TrickDroid 5.6.0 due to many people saying that you are still able to maintain WiFi Calling. So far, I'm loving it!
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nicotheandroidguy said:
Thanks for the reply I'm still debating on getting a tmo s4 or a tmo htc one but my current s4 laggs alot so the htc one seems like the better phone. Also how's the battery life?
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I've never had the S4 so I cant compare it to that. Its not great, but It will get you through the day fine.