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My battery has gone to hell. After getting it down to 5% one day, it just would not hold a charge long. Then I got it down to 10% a week later, and it really got bad. Life is about 1/3 what it used to be. I also have some dust and even small hairs or flecks in the screen.
So...I ordered a new advance replacement unit from T-Mobile, and it just arrived. Simple enough? Well, I have the memory upgrade in mine, so I need to do some component swapping. What's the best way to go about this? What parts can be disconnected easily (or more importantly, reconnected)? Where is the damn battery (didn't see it in the disassembly photos on the site)?
Hi,
Carlos said:
So...I ordered a new advance replacement unit from T-Mobile, and it just arrived. Simple enough? Well, I have the memory upgrade in mine, so I need to do some component swapping. What's the best way to go about this? What parts can be disconnected easily (or more importantly, reconnected)? Where is the damn battery (didn't see it in the disassembly photos on the site)?
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Please specify 'component swapping' in more detail... Are you actually thinking about swapping the memory upgrade??? You do know that that would mean desoldering the 2 big memory chips on both boards, cleaning them and the boards, and soldering them back... How good are you at smd soldering??? We haven't dared doing that, yet... (some pics of upgrading memory of an iPaq are available at http://www.linearlogix.com/ipaq/upgradereview.html
There are commercial services doing the upgrade (32 -> 64 mb), if I were you I'd contact one of those.
Other than that, we're currently swapping lcd screens, touchpanels, mainboards from 3 broken units to create 2 working units and 1 very broken one. So, what do you need to know exactly?
BTW, the battery is stuck on the inside of the back cover.
XDA developer bigmac (taking pictures of the open units right now...)
No, no, I can solder normal stuff, but not that. I mean, I assume what I need to do is keep my own motherboard. I'd like the screen, case, and battery from the new unit. On the radio section, I suppose it doesn't matter either way. So I incorrectly said "component" when what I really meant was "board," and desired advice on doing that.
The hazards of posting in the middle of the night after too much work.
Carlos said:
No, no, I can solder normal stuff, but not that. I mean, I assume what I need to do is keep my own motherboard. I'd like the screen, case, and battery from the new unit. On the radio section, I suppose it doesn't matter either way. So I incorrectly said "component" when what I really meant was "board," and desired advice on doing that.
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Ok, so you want to use the screen/touchpanel/backlight assembly from the new one (smart move, not taking that apart; besides the fact that it's glued together and you need to separate it on the correct separation, that also leaves the risk of forgetting the correct orientation of the glass panel with little dots on it, used to distribute the backlight evently onto the lcd; and, there are slightly different assemblies out there which need slightly different panels...). You should keep all boards from the old unit (old mainboard including old radio unit, use the new screen/touchpanel/backlight assemly, and the new case (which includes the new battery).
You could consider swapping IMEI numbers on the units... Although _shops_ never register the numbers when they give out units, service departments might. You know where to find the tool to do that...
The screwing around of the parts should not take more than half an hour if it's the first time you take apart this unit (but have taken apart small electronics before) and less if you've done it before.
Beware of the really thin clear plastic rings used under the screws to screw down the display...
We won't be publishing a very detailed 'how to swap your screen' instruction any time soon but do have some raw unedited pictures of the operation. I'll see if we can get them online any time soon.
Have fun,
XDA developer bigmac
I ended up doing the change and ran into a snag--the plastic pin that sticks out of the top power button was loose or broken (probably happened in one of the many drops the unit has experienced). When I opened the case, I lost that. Had to send it to PPC Techs to have them solder in a new power switch.
Other than that, disassembly is pretty easy and straightforward. You mentioned you won't publish a how-to...is that because of not wanting to have it on the site, or that nobody wants to write one? If the latter, I'd be happy to write it up and include my detailed pics.
If you want to make a detailed howto on how to open and close the unit, and how to exchange certain parts, we will gladly put it on!
Do make sure to stress that people need a certain level of experience or be willing to risk losing the device though...
post any accesories that you want hopefully some manufacturer will read this as as yet there is little avaiable except screen protectors so heres an idea
how about a case that protects the shift but heres the clever partwith a solar panel built in so it will charge and thus extend the battery life of this amazing machine?
any other ideas ?
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post any accesories that you want hopefully some manufacturer will read this as as yet there is little avaiable except screen protectors so heres an idea
how about a case that protects the shift but heres the clever partwith a solar panel built in so it will charge and thus extend the battery life of this amazing machine?
any other ideas ?
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how about also shrinking it to size of athena and when bac in use makes it same size. would make it pocketable though
i dont know if any one is fammiliar with the company called incase...
they have great cases for iphone.. hard rubber silicon. I hope they can come out with something like that for athena....
or most phones.
My family own a plastic manufacturing company in middle east. i might have to check with them to see about manufacturing some accessories....
fatouraee said:
i dont know if any one is fammiliar with the company called incase...
they have great cases for iphone.. hard rubber silicon. I hope they can come out with something like that for athena....
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Or do what the rest of us Athena Owners have done, get yourself a
"Tuff as Nuts" case.. Much better build quality.
Solor panel bag
spzero said:
how about a case that protects the shift but heres the clever partwith a solar panel built in so it will charge and thus extend the battery life of this amazing machine?
any other ideas ?
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Hey about that solor panel, you may want to check out this...
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/09/voltaics-new-generator-solar-bag-can-charge-a-laptop/
WOW
n646464 said:
Hey about that solor panel, you may want to check out this...
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/09/voltaics-new-generator-solar-bag-can-charge-a-laptop/
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HOW MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First, there has got to be a slick docking station similar the one for OQO 2. Lan port, 3 usb, optical drive, vga out, PCMIA slot, and throw in a big ass battery to charge the Shift from when the onboard goes dry. Long trips you can bring the docking/charing station. A shoulder bag for this would be great as well, 7" screen isn;t going to fit in the pocket so nicely, but a minimal stylish shoulder bag could work pretty well.
Of course, accessories won't matter if nonbody buys it cause the GPS and voice are disabled Really, without GPS, voice, and the ability for both OS's to access all the storage resources you are going to have to carry a phone anyway so why would you buy this and not a cheap mini-laptop for half as much?
For in-car use
a car charger
a car cradle
case
how bout a hard case with a flat bottom and holes for vents and ports on sides so its usuable on lap, and solar panel not so much to get it 12volts id have to cover the whole screen and even then id tske hours to chage like 6 or 7 so id basically be usuless in less u sit outside in bright sun all day and dont want to see anything in less it flipped up that might work then i block sun out too to cut black glare,
a bigger internal battery
i would love..
a battery around 4000 ma even with a bigger cover.
...maybe an official upgrade of wm side, by paying the full licence but with a good implementation of qualcom grafic drivers
finaly.. if ppctechs could provide a 256 ram update , plus a micro sd slot . they can do it
I believe HTC Shift will have probably a short life cycle... As this is their first "rather mature" product of this kind. They are surveying the market, know the design flaws and specification mitakes. The next one should be now specified at 80% already.
I'm confident we will see lot of improvements on the device itself (but this is not the topic of this thread). Let's focus on accessories as this is also a weak area when comes to HTC Shift offer. From HTC, I just see the following:
- Extended Battery (for heavy user and because... this is a great margin generator. ).
- Docking Station (more USB ports, VGA output, Ethernet).
Third party manufacturers can take care of the rest (Car Craddle/Charger, Cases, ...) but they will do it only if the next product has good sales or benefits from strong HTC support. Due to short HTC SHift life cycle, I dont think HTC is pushing hard for having partners making accessories.
I search and don't see anyone else complaining...
But my P500h is new and the battery is tight and I'm continuing to have "adventure" I don't want to have when removing it.
Originally I tried a thin blade screwdriver in the holes to left and right of battery to pry the battery up. But plastic was getting chewed and at one point I had a SPARK ! LOL.
So I wrapped electrical tape around battery to help pull it out but it threatens to break the tape with the force needed.
So now I use my screwdriver carefully just under the SDCard and it works but I worry about slipping and messing something up.
So am I alone with this problem ? Any good way to "grease" the battery, but not too much ?
Thanks !
No problem as such. I press hard with my nail near sdcard (bottom) downword I see there's a slit on battery at that place. Press down and pull up.
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4silvertooth said:
No problem as such. I press hard with my nail near sdcard (bottom) downword I see there's a slit on battery at that place. Press down and pull up.
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Thanks 4silvertooth; I seem to recognise your username.
My SDCard is at the top to left of the camera when looking from the back with Android buttons down and headphone jack up.
I don't see any slits on the battery, just a tiny ledge at the top that I guess my screwdriver catches on. But sooner or later I will wear that off.
I just removed the tape, and it might be a bit easier to remove now, although there is some dangerous battery metal showing.
Perhaps I could wrap the battery with something stronger than electrical tape... Like those fabric like things used to pop AA etc batteries out of devices.
Well, huh... Are you sure you have the right battery inserted the right way? Because, there should not be any trouble getting it out at all. Let alone screwdrivers or anything like that needed. Goes out pretty easily with a fingernail.
doktornotor said:
Well, huh... Are you sure you have the right battery inserted the right way? Because, there should not be any trouble getting it out at all. Let alone screwdrivers or anything like that needed. Goes out pretty easily with a fingernail.
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It's the battery I got with the phone, and that the sales dude installed for me, and the phone works, so yes.
I get the impression my Canadian Telus P500h (Note the 'h') is different than the P500 most of you have.
This is the phone with battery installed. To the left is the phone top, and the thin blade screwdriver is over the SDCard and pointing to where I am prying the battery out. The pens at top and bottom of the pic are where I originally pried and now have broken plastic and some semi-exposed battery metal. At top of the pic (right of the phone) is where I got the sparks.
http://img20.imageshack.us/i/img20110529053155.jpg/
This is the phone with battery removed and on it's side.
http://img225.imageshack.us/i/img20110529053318.jpg/
So I'm guessing from your descriptions of how easy it is, that there must be one or more things different on my phone.
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I get the impression my Canadian Telus P500h (Note the 'h') is different than the P500 most of you have.
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Looks pretty much the same except for the red piece of nonsense right below the SD card which is causing all this. Stupid design.
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Looks pretty much the same except for the red piece of nonsense right below the SD card which is causing all this. Stupid design.
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You think ? It's an integral part of the back body and can't be removed without breaking stuff. Right now I can't even tell if it's the up and down or left and right that are most tight. Maybe both.
And even if it was removed, the battery has no slot at the end for a fingernail. Just a slight indentation over most of the end. With the force I need to remove the battery, I think lots of people would break their fingernail.
I've just marked this down as one of the engineering shortcuts that LG made to make a phone like this for $200. Having to pull that stupid battery out every SIM change or new ROM boot freeze is getting old fast.
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You think ? It's an integral part of the back body and can't be removed without breaking stuff. Right now I can't even tell if it's the up and down or left and right that are most tight. Maybe both.
And even if it was removed, the battery has no slot at the end for a fingernail. Just a slight indentation over most of the end. With the force I need to remove the battery, I think lots of people would break their fingernail.
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Actually, now that I opened the phone - it is exactly the same, it is just that your photo has some weird shade so the red nonsense looks like it is lifted up to the battery edge. So, not really getting what it your problem except perhaps for being clumsy.
well my battery not giving any such trouble. We have different disign here I think that's why the trouble.
4silvertooth said:
well my battery not giving any such trouble. We have different disign here I think that's why the trouble.
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I blew up your pic and it's hard to see, but I think I see a fingernail slot in your battery by the SDCard. Mine has no slot, just a very subtle indentation.
And my battery makes a very clear SNAP sound when I push it in. Perhaps my battery is slightly different and a bit larger than P500 batteries.
My battery part # is LGIP-400N . It also says 1500 mAh 5.6 Wh 3.7v
and at bottom it says:
(T)SBPL0102301 LLL DC101203
Even your camera says 3.2 mine it says 3.0 so anybody with same specification would be helpfully.
The battery details are exact identical to mine.
So P500h is slightly different from P500.
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OMG!!!
Stop doing this, bro! You are raping your battery!!! Seriously, this stuff is fragile! God...
I have a p500h, just like yours (3.2mp camera) and all you have to do is put you finger on the spot right below the SD Card, push your battery downwards then pull it towards you.
Please tell me this is a joke! Damn... now I'll have nightmares because of those photos.
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OMG!!!
Stop doing this, bro! You are raping your battery!!! Seriously, this stuff is fragile! God...
I have a p500h, just like yours (3.2mp camera) and all you have to do is put you finger on the spot right below the SD Card, push your battery downwards then pull it towards you.
Please tell me this is a joke! Damn... now I'll have nightmares because of those photos.
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Just because it's easy for you doesn't make me an idiot.
No I'm afraid this is not a joke. And I've been working "seriously" with electronics/computer since I was a teen in the mid 1970's building everything from a vacuum tube transmitter to micros with the first generation of micros: SCMP, 8080...
And I've rebuilt automotive turbochargers and transmissions so I'm no mechanical klutz either.
Yes I know this is slowly wrecking the battery which I why I posted. In primary school I was the "smart kid" who was the only one to question something weird or incomplete the teacher said because everyone else didn't want to look "dumb" by asking. Same here.
My personal history aside I do exactly what you say: "put you finger on the spot right below the SD Card, push your battery downwards then pull it towards you."
It doesn't work on my phone. The battery doesn't move down that I can notice. When I try to pull it towards me it just won't budge and threatens to break my fingernail.
I note that there are two little tabs at the bottom. These seem to require the bottom to be placed first, then the top gets pushed in last. That's when I get a loud SNAP. I think whatever is making this SNAP is also what makes it so hard to remove the battery. The same SNAP was also made by the sales dude in the store when he installed the battery and I'm sure he does that hundreds of times a week.
The instructions in the manual are quite bad, IMO. They didn't even mention all the little film things that should be removed. Perhaps there is something else that needs to be removed that the manual didn't mention or that I overlooked. Just stabs in the dark here now.
Well, PEBKAC case excluded, since noone apparently has similar problem, then either your phone is faulty or the battery is faulty. This simply is not normal, there is absolutely no need to use screwdrivers and excessive force to do this.
Would suggest to RMA the thing.
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Just because it's easy for you doesn't make me an idiot.
No I'm afraid this is not a joke. And I've been working "seriously" with electronics/computer since I was a teen in the mid 1970's building everything from a vacuum tube transmitter to micros with the first generation of micros: SCMP, 8080...
And I've rebuilt automotive turbochargers and transmissions so I'm no mechanical klutz either.
Yes I know this is slowly wrecking the battery which I why I posted. In primary school I was the "smart kid" who was the only one to question something weird or incomplete the teacher said because everyone else didn't want to look "dumb" by asking. Same here.
My personal history aside I do exactly what you say: "put you finger on the spot right below the SD Card, push your battery downwards then pull it towards you."
It doesn't work on my phone. The battery doesn't move down that I can notice. When I try to pull it towards me it just won't budge and threatens to break my fingernail.
I note that there are two little tabs at the bottom. These seem to require the bottom to be placed first, then the top gets pushed in last. That's when I get a loud SNAP. I think whatever is making this SNAP is also what makes it so hard to remove the battery. The same SNAP was also made by the sales dude in the store when he installed the battery and I'm sure he does that hundreds of times a week.
The instructions in the manual are quite bad, IMO. They didn't even mention all the little film things that should be removed. Perhaps there is something else that needs to be removed that the manual didn't mention or that I overlooked. Just stabs in the dark here now.
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Well, I did not called you an idiot but your words and your need to show your electronic and mechanic knowledge tells me you felt I did so I'm sorry if my words offended you in any way, that was not my intent.
Maybe doktornotor is right and you should RMA your phone.
Best of luck!
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Well, I did not called you an idiot but your words and your need to show your electronic and mechanic knowledge tells me you felt I did so I'm sorry if my words offended you in any way, that was not my intent.
Maybe doktornotor is right and you should RMA your phone.
Best of luck!
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No problem. No you didn't. Just wanted to clarify my capabilities/knowledge.
>Well, PEBKAC case excluded, since noone apparently has similar problem, then either your phone is faulty or the battery is faulty. This simply is not normal, there is absolutely no need to use screwdrivers and excessive force to do this.
Yes doktornotor, I suspect you are right. I suspect it might have been a bad or out of tolerance phone/battery or perhaps excessive temps or humidity or whatever during storage and shipping.
I returned another phone to get this and they already told me I can't return this one, LOL. As defective I'm sure I could, although I'd bet they'd give me a very hard time, especially considering the damage to the battery now..
Well i never doubt your capabilities u are the one who made spirit fm. And have been followimg u since.
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Yes doktornotor, I suspect you are right. I suspect it might have been a bad or out of tolerance phone/battery or perhaps excessive temps or humidity or whatever during storage and shipping.
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Well, I have seen quite a bunch of phones almost impossible to even open. I recall one Nokia which I felt I will crush completely trying to remove the back cover. Tremendous force required. So trust me when I am saying that this one is about the most easy one to remove the back cover and the battery.
If it really bothers you since you are changing SIM cards frequently, would suggest going to some shop and test with another battery or two. If it is the battery, those are relatively cheap to get a replacement. If it is the phone, well... your screwdriver-scratched battery has nothing to do with that defect so you should not have any trouble trying to RMA it.
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Well, I have seen quite a bunch of phones almost impossible to even open. I recall one Nokia which I felt I will crush completely trying to remove the back cover. Tremendous force required. So trust me when I am saying that this one is about the most easy one to remove the back cover and the battery.
If it really bothers you since you are changing SIM cards frequently, would suggest going to some shop and test with another battery or two. If it is the battery, those are relatively cheap to get a replacement. If it is the phone, well... your screwdriver-scratched battery has nothing to do with that defect so you should not have any trouble trying to RMA it.
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Yes, some good ideas.
SIMs are not the major issue. Trying ROMs that result in boot freezes are the main reason to keep popping the battery.
I wish there was a hidden hardware reset switch on these phones somewhere.
Heck, it wouldn't be hard for the designers to make such a feature that triggered by holding power, or some combinations down for 10+ seconds.
I'd buy a replacement battery off eBay for cheap. At worst you end up with the same situation and a spare battery for 5 USD or so (+ VAT or whatever y'all call it). At best you have a better-fitting battery on the cheap.
Does anyone have this as a battery that you got from ebay or whereever?
I was looking at ebay and there are some that look alright like this: http://auih.merchantrunglobal.com/I...&ImageID=3197&DisplaySize=400&ListingID=29098
it's bulky, but that's something I can live with if I am assured that you get more battery time. And how much more battery time do you get on average. Are there any problems of having a secondary battery that's not from samsung or if it has more mAh?
Thanks
LOL come on, you'll look like such a douche with that on your phone!
paulo91 said:
LOL come on, you'll look like such a douche with that on your phone!
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it also protects the metal bezel around the camera and the camera lens, and it provides a nice heat buffer between the CPU and your palm, so you won't burn your palm ever again. Nice
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it also protects the metal bezel around the camera and the camera lens, and it provides a nice heat buffer between the CPU and your palm, so you won't burn your palm ever again. Nice
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But the burn occurs most on the top of the screen, not the back. And you still would look like a douche.
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it also protects the metal bezel around the camera and the camera lens, and it provides a nice heat buffer between the CPU and your palm, so you won't burn your palm ever again. Nice
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Yeah, but at the end of the day you spent a bunch of money on a nice thin phone and threw it in an absolutely ugly, gigantic case with a massive battery on the back. Hardly seems worth it.
youll turn it into a iBrick, dont; please.
look i dont care about whether u think id look stupid with something that will give me more than a days.worth of battery life. thats your personal opinion and that is not answering what ive asked for.
i am asking how good is the battery life and if theres any problems in terms of surging my phone etc.
god, sometimes i feel that many ppl on these forums care about the 'look' and how much customization you can shove in a phone rather than the practical and useful side of things. where the hell are we, in a kids high school where u would customize your school books just for the sake of doing it? i dont give a ****. if i can get more hours of battery since im full business worker and not a child, i will, whether u like it or not.
Hey same kind if people(xda) said the same things about my ext battery for my vibrant. I end up getting the 2800mah battery and it doesn't look that bad in person. Videos/pictures makes the battery look worst than it is.
I bought a Chinese/off brand for like 10 bucks shipped. The original got me thru a day while the ext battery got me 3 days with heavy use. That battery is still being used by my brother and he's happy with it.
Battery never exploded, got high temperatures or anything. Also used the OEM extended battery for the hd2 with no issues.
Unless you wear skinny jeans, use a wallet/purse(lol), phone is in shirt pocket etc you want have any problems.
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look i dont care about whether u think id like stupid with something that will give me more than a days.worth of battery life. thats your personal opinion and that is not answering what ive asked for.
i am asking how good is the battery life and if theres any problems in terms of surging my phone etc.
god, sometimes i feel that many ppl on these forums care about the 'look' and how much customization you can shove in a phone rather than the practical and useful side of things. where the hell are we, in a kids high school where u would customize your school books just for the sake of doing it? i dont give a ****. if i can get more hours of battery since im full business worker and not a child, i will, whether u like it or not.
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Hmm, I understand yr needs etc, and I know several guys have used this 3500 mAH battery, with no complaints. I'm not sure about battery life.
BTW, a lot of this depends on yr actual battery usage etc. I get over 2 days now with my new ROM with crazy heavy use, so I think that that's more than I need. Certainly MUCH better than iPhone etc ...
But - "each to his own'
So i got my new 3500mah battery with the cover and must i say the cover does a great job to not make the phone look so bulky.
And as for the battery. Excellent! It can hold way more than the previous not by just a few hours, but near over a working days worth of battery life and thats including listening to music, checking emails, playing a game, going online and even watching a movie.
To let u know how far it can go, I had the battery at 88% and i watched a 2hr movie full brightness. Once im done the batt level was only at 78%.
And as for just taking calls now and then plus going online occasionally and reading emails (on full sync) ive manage to get way over a days worth of battery - i havent used any special app to make the battery longer.
So for all the haters out there, I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself if you havent tried the product and start making assumptions. That gives people a bad thought of things when they are given misleading information to which you dont have any primary source to back you up. That type of attitude is what makes apple fan users of who they are.
Anyone bought this battery already?
Care to give more reviews about it?
I'm quite interested in it actually.
So today i noticed that my backplate lifted off.
It was in the lower right edge of the backplate, i then pried the whole plate of, because im a stupid and curious person. turned out that my battery pack was slightly bigger on the side, hence the plate of pushing.
Well my first thought was, dude its a sony not a frigging samsung!
Nevertheless i dont want a fancy battery blow of or anything, i pried out the old battery and ordered a new one, should come in wednesday. Battery is a genuine sony battery for 7€ i know our XZU is dated, but hell if i can run her a bit longer for a measly 7 bucks i damn well do that!
anyone else had problems with the battery?
Go and read here: from post #20
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2665363&page=2
Sony makes good batteries or made..they're shutting down their factories soon due to its declining revenue.
I haven't had any issues with mine. Yet. Its lifetime is a bit reduced but its well expected. Its over three years old..
My guess for this device would be due to physical stress such as the device bending. Its very easy to bend the z ultra.
Or using chargers of bad quality.
The guy in the thread I linked at the top had hes battery blow up like a football.
Thanks for the link!
Quite what i expected with the battery, if it expands it is time to replace it.
Running my backup phone right now, Dell Venue Pro, HSPA+ doesn't work, and it doesnt want to connect to any WLAN, but hey, im at least reachable..