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Hello I'm a newb!
I'm sorry, but this is the unfortunate state I find myself in.
When I first found this site, what I was expecting to find was a ICS for my phone. I could not have guessed what I would learn here. I had no idea I had a counter in my phone to worry about when installing open sourced roms? Next after much more reading I am to learn the source code Google releases is not complete, and uses binary drivers? Now I am to learn about CIQ, and my phone is spying on me? Wow!
Before I say anything else I want to express my thanks to this community. This has been such a resource I had no idea that it would be when I started. Thank you!
Now on to my question that after learning about all of that I don't seem to have a clear answer to. What I wanted when I first considered getting an Android phone, was to build from source, and run my own rom. I still want this, even more so since I learned about CIQ.
1. Due to the counter on my phone
2. I am to understand multiple images that make the phone work (boot, firmware, system)
3. The binary drivers.
Is this at all a reasonable goal?
Are there more flash images that I haven't read about yet?
Would having a direct from Google rom even be desirable?
I own a stock SGH-I777, I have done nothing to it yet.
Lastly about this site:
Is there anything you think I should read about on the forums?
Any language I should know, as in what does hellraiser imply/mean?
Any Android experience you think might benefit a could be developer?
Counter can be reset and avoided all together.
Sorry I don't know much about AOSP building, but your better off starting with compiling CM and learn from there unless you are really experienced in coding.
Speaking of, the image used to not increment the counter does, or does not still contain CIQ? I suspect it does? I would like a phone at some point w/o CIQ, and fully open source. Ty for reminding me.
NEME5I5 said:
Speaking of, the image used to not increment the counter does, or does not still contain CIQ? I suspect it does? I would like a phone at some point w/o CIQ, and fully open source.
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AT&T Galaxy S2 SGH-I777 has never had CIQ.
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AT&T Galaxy S2 SGH-I777 has never had CIQ.
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I'm shocked AT&T choose not to bug their customers? I assumed since I saw mention of it being on Samsung, that it was on all their phones?
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I'm shocked AT&T choose not to bug their customers? I assumed since I saw mention of it being on Samsung, that it was on all their phones?
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No it was just some phones, I think the skyrocket had it at some point.
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Ok, so I rooted my first cell phone. It would seem heimdall latest has a bug that will brick your phone. (I'm on Mac OS Lion) I used the 1.3.1 instead, and it worked fine.
I saw many more sites, and this was quite easy. The way they showed it was very complex. Since I'm new at this should I wait to try out a ICS rom till after Samsung releases their source code, and the devs have had a chance to get it stable? How complete is the open source version of ICS? There was a note on the fsf.org page that linked me over here that some of the parts were still binary. Is it still true?
I think long term I want to get away from the official releases.
Well, you came this far, might as well flash an ICS rom now. If the leaks are any indication of status, the Samsung release will be pretty stable but the included kernel is problematic because it can cause hardbricking. Besides, you want to get away from stock, and all of the big roms released thus far are pretty darn stable; I don't know anything about binary parts or any of the coding, but plenty of people have no problem running CM or AOKP. Even the Samsung-based roms all look AOSP-like nowadays because they use Apex or Nova (not many devs like Touchwiz anymore). So take your pick, they're all good roms and most look like AOSP to some extent, with a few (mainly CM and AOKP) striving for pure AOSP.
Make sure to read and follow this guide carefully for flashing stuff, and have fun!
Ok here is where I have a problem. I have no idea about half of what you said? I know AOSP means "Android open source project" by inference of another reply. I even think CWM means "clockwork mod." (don't even know what this is yet) Saw a youtube video that mentioned it.
What is hard bricking, and what should I read to prevent it? I came here for a ICS rom, and it sounds like the two trying to be most open source are my preference.
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Ok here is where I have a problem. I have no idea about half of what you said? I know AOSP means "Android open source project" by inference of another reply. I even think CWM means "clockwork mod." (don't even know what this is yet) Saw a youtube video that mentioned it.
What is hard bricking, and what should I read to prevent it? I came here for a ICS rom, and it sounds like the two trying to be most open source are my preference.
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Read, read, and read some more. If you don't understand the post above then there is no way you would be able to compile a rom for this phone, which is what I gathered from your op
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Yeh. Just give me the new thing! I want that shiny biscuit! Zomg! "Check MY device out. Its got AOKP on it. BAM.". "Oh cool how does that work?". "Pfft who cares. Its shiny!!!"
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Ok here is where I have a problem. I have no idea about half of what you said? I know AOSP means "Android open source project" by inference of another reply. I even think CWM means "clockwork mod." (don't even know what this is yet) Saw a youtube video that mentioned it.
What is hard bricking, and what should I read to prevent it? I came here for a ICS rom, and it sounds like the two trying to be most open source are my preference.
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Prother, by no mean to offense you, but seriously, if you don't know those fundamental technical terms, I strongly suggest you to hold off what you about to do and spend more time reading.
Let me go off and do a search the post for you, where you can get used to those terms.
Hang tight, prother.
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Read, read, and read some more. If you don't understand the post above then there is no way you would be able to compile a rom for this phone, which is what I gathered from your op
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So I will. To be honest I don't see the connection between the new jargon, and development I learn in school. There is definately much to learn here. I was expecting this to be like Zaurus development from back when I was active, it's very clear to me that this is a very different beast.
Here is one, I'm sure there is other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466228&highlight=abbreviation
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Here is one, I'm sure there is other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466228&highlight=abbreviation
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Thank you friend. I may not have my own rom at the end of summer, but I should be on my way to understanding what would be needed for one.
Well the terms I wanted are not present on that list, most of that I was familiar with. To be honest, some of it I have not seen before as well. What is hellraiser, and some of the other xda developed jargon? I do have a tab open to that part of the forums, I just hadn't made it over there yet. I started on the forums for my device, then Android OS, and lastly general. Is there any other place I should pay special attention to that would help me?
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Yeh. Just give me the new thing! I want that shiny biscuit! Zomg! "Check MY device out. Its got AOKP on it. BAM.". "Oh cool how does that work?". "Pfft who cares. Its shiny!!!"
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Ok? I'm not sure I understand, is there something you don't like about the aokp rom that doesn't work very well?
I want off of the carrier provided images based on personal conviction. Google's development practices smack of cathedral, as do all of the 3rd party companies. In a sense they are abusing the spirit of free software by using a signed kernel to impede (if not actually prevent) our right to modify hardware we own. Any normal user of the software provided by the community (bazaar) can only help the cause.
I plan to share what I personally learn with close friends who live in my area. The more people we liberate, the better for everyone else. I simply applaud the work done here.
You can safely ignore Phalanx's post, he's just mocking you and other new users for not reading carefully and being stupid. You're at least trying to read and understand stuff, so I don't see any reason you should be put down the way he's doing so.
Here are a couple other links I think you'll find useful (please click my thanks button if you agree!):
ROM vs Kernel
Odex vs Deodex
Make sure to read all of the links posted in the sticky at the top of this forum, too. But note that by no means is this everything you need to read.
Mind you, all this reading is meant mostly for end-users, so that we learn how to safely and smartly modify our phones. Actual original developing beyond using what's already provided by the devs is a whole different story, and I'm sure there's even more to read up on that.
Good luck, happy flashing, and if you plan to develop later down the line, good luck with that too!
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You can safely ignore Phalanx's post, he's just mocking you and other new users for not reading carefully and being stupid. You're at least trying to read and understand stuff, so I don't see any reason you should be put down the way he's doing so.
Here are a couple other links I think you'll find useful (please click my thanks button if you agree!):
ROM vs Kernel
Odex vs Deodex
Make sure to read all of the links posted in the sticky at the top of this forum, too. But note that by no means is this everything you need to read.
Mind you, all this reading is meant mostly for end-users, so that we learn how to safely and smartly modify our phones. Actual original developing beyond using what's already provided by the devs is a whole different story, and I'm sure there's even more to read up on that.
Good luck, happy flashing, and if you plan to develop later down the line, good luck with that too!
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Ty for all your help. I'm glad you're all so thorough, it was like peeling an onion. The more I was looking at rooting my phone, the more there was to learn. All of you have done an amazing job making this approachable to a brand new user.
Ah I don't assume anymore about what people are trying to say, not everyone is a native english speaker. So I try to be understanding.
Yup I'll be at this for a while, I'm happy to have made some introductions, and maybe some time down the road I can even hope to contribute in some small way.
From a relative noob:
Follow the directions in the " [GUIDE] How to Flash Custom Binaries Without Ever Incrementing the Flash Counter!! " thread. Then pick a rom you want to try and follow the CWM directions ... after that , find a ROM you like. If you don't want to void your warranty, wait for your carrier to provide the closest thing to what you want ... but, I'm happy with my flashed ICS ROM.
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Ty for all your help. I'm glad you're all so thorough, it was like peeling an onion. The more I was looking at rooting my phone, the more there was to learn. All of you have done an amazing job making this approachable to a brand new user.
Ah I don't assume anymore about what people are trying to say, not everyone is a native english speaker. So I try to be understanding.
Yup I'll be at this for a while, I'm happy to have made some introductions, and maybe some time down the road I can even hope to contribute in some small way.
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Just like everyone else has said. Read read read. Search for answers for your questions before you ask on forums. U will be fine as long as u can read and follow simple directions. Good luck to u. If u haven't flashed a rom yet I would recommend aokp. Awesome rom.
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Hello everyone I am new to Android world as of today. I've been on iPhone for the past 2 years and honestly apple has nothing compared to Android. My galaxy note is like a handheld computer... like holy s**t I'm so overwhelmed right now. But as a noobie I do have a couple questions...
Is it worth rooting and flashing a custom ics ROM (what's the best ics ROM to date) when my service provider Telus is releasing ics by early July?
Also, is it possible for me to download the official ics via ota with a rooted phone? If so how do I do that. I've read threads that sometimes rooting disables ota download.
Thanks for looking and I apologize for being a dumba**.
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Are you new to android? Then experience your android phone as it is without rooting just yet. As you experience your phone and read some threads you will get to know if rooting is for you or not. This also will allow you to see if your phone may have issues.
If you want the OTA Telus ICS then I suggest you don't root. I don't believe you would receive the OTA unless you were stock unrooted. So my suggestion would be to hang in there for a little time.
Welcome, and congratulations on seeing the light!
The ICS roms we have are awesome so far, with only a couple random bugs that don't keep them from being daily drivers. I definitely recommend rooting and romming if you take the time to read up on everything you can about it. It's a very simple process if you take your time, and definitely worth learning.
Also, if you feel like doing the official update get familiar with how to go back to stock. When you go back to stock, it renews your warranty and also your ability to receive official firmware updates.
Personally, I think that custom roms are better than official, and once your official is released, you will be able to get a rooted version on here within a day out two at most usually. The only time my Samsung phones have ever had stock software is the first and only the first day I have them, and also if I need to do a warranty exchange
Edit: not seeing a stock package for Telus, stop I would hold on for a bit or try to work with a developer to get them what they need to set up a stock Odin package for Telus users.
Second edit: actually it looks like there is a stock package for you. I can help more with some links later, but can't right now
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Welcome to the best phone world you can imagine and you made a wise choice to pick up the big boss aka the G note...youll love it stock or rooted and with customs roms on it....this community is the best and has some great devs also any rom you choose your gonna love their rom believe me....Ive been to here and went to the htc one x and to the international note and now im back to stay....those other phones couldnt compare to this one...the international note is brick heaven and the htc one x is just too damn small when your coming from a note lol....but if you love having your phone tweaked out like me then yes root and rom it out lol...but if all that doesnt matter than you can stay stock and still love the phone just as much....but once again wise choice on the phone and glad to have you here....
Please make yourself familiar with the phone first like everybody else suggested. I have gone through few android phones and I still have so much to learn especially when it comes to rooting and loading roms. With samsung, there's a flash counter if you care about warranty and what not even though there are ways to go around it. I have rooted mine but staying on the stock rom and waiting for the official ICS rom. GB rom is perfectly working fine for my needs.
Please read and read over and over everything before you go ahead and mess around with the rom.
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Please make yourself familiar with the phone first like everybody else suggested. I have gone through few android phones and I still have so much to learn especially when it comes to rooting and loading roms. With samsung, there's a flash counter if you care about warranty and what not even though there are ways to go around it. I have rooted mine but staying on the stock rom and waiting for the official ICS rom. GB rom is perfectly working fine for my needs.
Please read and read over and over everything before you go ahead and mess around with the rom.
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There is a flash counter reset, so that's basically a null point. Plus, many people have had no problem returning or exchanging with it tripped.
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Yes. I know there is. That's why I said there are ways to go around. I have rooted mine with the one roloracer posted and can use CWM to flash all different roms without even tripping the flash counter to begin with. One less step of needing to reset the counter.
I just want OP to be aware of it.
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Yes. I know there is. That's why I said there are ways to go around. I have rooted mine with the one roloracer posted and can use CWM to flash all different roms without even tripping the flash counter to begin with. One less step of needing to reset the counter.
I just want OP to be aware of it.
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Ah, I forgot flashing from cwm doesn't up the counter. Good point.
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Wow you guys have been really helpful thank you very much
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No problem. Here's a good guide for you to read. Just read everything you can before doing anything and you'll soon be unleashing the beast they call the galaxy note.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586223
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Welcome Android! The Note is my first Android phone. I also came from iPhone and don't regret the move at all. Note is the best overall phone experience I've had.
This is sort of on topic, is there a comparison thread of the different roms and what they have to offer vs. others? That kind of thread might be really helpful for new and seasoned pros.
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Welcome Android! The Note is my first Android phone. I also came from iPhone and don't regret the move at all. Note is the best overall phone experience I've had.
This is sort of on topic, is there a comparison thread of the different roms and what they have to offer vs. others? That kind of thread might be really helpful for new and seasoned pros.
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pretty much the only diff in roms are
CM9 & AOKP have all the bell & whistles ...such as tweaks and etc...
the others are stock based with addition add ons...either way you gonna love it...we have awesome devs in this community...as youll soon see....and glad to have you in the note community...
CM9 is Android at it's best.
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CM9 is Android at it's best.
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I agree coffin but that im leaning toward aokp...love it lol....but both are amazing...
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pretty much the only diff in roms are
CM9 & AOKP have all the bell & whistles ...such as tweaks and etc...
the others are stock based with addition add ons...either way you gonna love it...we have awesome devs in this community...as youll soon see....and glad to have you in the note community...
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just know that you will lose a lot of the S-pen and all Touchwiz capabilities if/when you go with any version of cm9, aokp, or aosp.
I'd stock with GB for a few weeks so you can get used to the menu interfaces and lingo surrounding Android. After that, game on!
Welcome to Android, friend.
Normally, when I first buy a phone, I like to play around with it stock for a few months before flashing the radio or switching roms etc. Just to get familiar with the phone. Since you're new to the whole Android platform, you should definitely get used to it first since there are endless possibilities you can play around with even with a stock rom.
An official ICS 4.0.3 has already been confirmed for release, why not wait for it? An official update will always be 100% safer and run a lot smoother.
This is what I recommend and I am going to be patiently waiting for the ICS 4.0 to officially be released. It's just a matter of time.
How many times have we seen a user new to android/note that root, flash, and ATTEMPT to reset the flash counter only to come to this board crying that their phone is bricked? (one or two a month?)
As others said, if you root/flash, when Ice Cream Sandwich becomes available from your carrier, you will not get it.
If you do root/flash, DON'T worry about the flash counter because if something goes wrong with reseting the flash counter, you might have a brick but most likely several hours of panic/frustration trying to get your phone working.
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How many times have we seen a user new to android/note that root, flash, and ATTEMPT to reset the flash counter only to come to this board crying that their phone is bricked? (one or two a month?)
As others said, if you root/flash, when Ice Cream Sandwich becomes available from your carrier, you will not get it.
If you do root/flash, DON'T worry about the flash counter because if something goes wrong with reseting the flash counter, you might have a brick but most likely several hours of panic/frustration trying to get your phone working.
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Its more so a new user to xda thing as I see it. Yes, its partially a new to android thing, but if they learned how to search and read and learn everything they can, all of the info is out there to safely do anything. I had one brick way back when with my captivate, and from that point on I made sure to read as much as possible before doing anything. New users think they will just have everything handed to them and it will work perfectly, which is where they run into problems because they don't know of all the common problems and mistakes due to taking the fast track instead of actually learning about the processes.
Bottom line is they need to not only search and read, but also absorb and understand the material that is available on this site.
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Its more so a new user to xda thing as I see it. Yes, its partially a new to android thing, but if they learned how to search and read and learn everything they can, all of the info is out there to safely do anything. I had one brick way back when with my captivate, and from that point on I made sure to read as much as possible before doing anything. New users think they will just have everything handed to them and it will work perfectly, which is where they run into problems because they don't know of all the common problems and mistakes due to taking the fast track instead of actually learning about the processes.
Bottom line is they need to not only search and read, but also absorb and understand the material that is available on this site.
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Perfectly said!
The more a user reads and researches the less cluttering threads we have and the more they learn
Which the MAJORITY of people here don't do..
Sad.. truly sad but let them brick their devices as a consequence lol
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My advise would be to wait at least a month, do your research, stay on top of the forums, read all the important threads, etc. When I moved over from iPhone I waited about a month and even though it is soooo much easier to root an Android then jailbreaking an iPhone, its just means its that much more easier to make mistakes. Take your time, don't rush it Welcome to the dark side.
had an Infuse for about a year. loved it and was suprised as to what i was able to learn. i was actually able to trouble shoot some of other peoples issues. most of it was people not following OP correctly. some of them you would think they were scoring with a girl for the first time in high school. they just plug it in and blow their load.
However, day after thankgsiving AT&T had some incredible deals for a refurbed Note. cant beat $31.
I have been learking here for almost a month and reading as i did on the Infuse. trying to gain the confidence i need to take the leap and root.
one thing i am noticing or think i am noticing.....or maybe i dont understand.
stock rooted? you can root phone but not necessarily have CWM ?
Infuse had an all in one package.
from what i am gathering.....when i flash, do i need to flash rom, modem and kernal on 3 different flashes? trying to peice a package that works best? cant say that i notice in descriptions (as with Infuse) ex ; "Joe Blows ROM
UCLB3 modem
super nuclear kernal with OC/UV
i am sure this is in the Super Everything Thread, but sometimes my brain pan does not absorb everything. thats why i read read read and i will read some more. again responses from the more experience give me confidence.
probably my hugest issue is, it seems no matter what rom i look at the main issue is random reboots or phone just shutting down. to me does this almost negate some benefits of rooting?
everybody said the Infuse was unbrickable? for the most part i beleive that, usually somebody not following directions was the problem. regardless, super easy to unbrick and return to stock.
However, when i hear, Do you have a jig? or sending phone out to have fixed, makes me wonder if the Note bricks easier and harder to unbrick. I know that if I try, i can REALLY eff something up.
dont want to do that.
i know every phone is different and every rom works differently on those phones, so i know not to ask which rom is better for me. if i decide to, i will find which rom I like the best.
my Infuse HAS grown up to be a Note and i am happy to climb aboard this forum
To root this phone you flash a kernel to the stock rom. But to do this you have to flash a replacement recovery, and that is done with a pc using Samsung's software named Odin.
i am familiar with Odin. i have used it on many occasions and am comfortable with that. however even in the reading i have done this is the first i have heard of a "replacement recovery".
this sounds as if flashing the new kernal to the stock rom is what will root the phone?
i thought the tar file is what did this.
i will keep reading until i come up 2 threads or suggestions of rooting that sound as if the process is the same.
dont misunderstand, i am not saying that anybody is wrong. i am sure all of these methods work. again, if i want to i can really screw something up. i am sure some of these different methods are some different terminology. mainly i want to feel confident and have my process firmly embedded in my mind and act it out properly.
check this post out if you want a super easy way to get started...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35499256&postcount=4
Its explained very well here. Step by step
http://rootgalaxynote.com/galaxy-no...y-note-sgh-i717-icsgingerbreadeasiest-method/
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The stock recovery doesn't let you flash anything. So you flash the replacement recovery with Odin. You are replacing the stock with either CWR or TWRP.
Then, using the new recovery you flash the rooted kernel, or any rom you like.
As for your Super Everything Thread .. Here it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28040353
Also we have a Stupid Question Thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32925977 just in case you have the need.
Welcome to the Note.
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Bubbajoe40356 said:
Also we have a Stupid Question Thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32925977 just in case you have the need.
Welcome to the Note.
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i am sure i will be getting plenty of use out of that one.
appreciate your help. both you and the captain explained it very plainly and simply, eliminating any confusion.
thank you both.actually very similar to Infuse.
now i just have to decide whether i would benefit from it.
hmmmmmm
Installing the recovery is worth the trouble. Besides the romantic flashing, you can change modems, install mods, make a backup.
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Installing the recovery is worth the trouble. Besides the romantic flashing, you can change modems, install mods, make a backup.
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yeah, and i have done all that with the Infuse. other then mods, tweaks and themes, what else did i benefit from?
Infuse was on Froyo and had a multitude of ROMS and interfaces to choose from. GB, ICS and JB. i am already ICS and JB is the only step up. actually with the similarities between the two, how much am i really gaining or what am i changing?
im kind of shopping some ROMS and looking for something to catch my eye. i am not seeing too many differences. i do have a bigger screen though and i did like the tablet mode of PA. only that and CM10 were the only ones that had tablet mode there.
im really not in any hurry and there is the rumor of official JB for the Note, but i know how that went with GB for the Infuse. the pushed it out too quick and had many problems. unofficial releases were more reliable and theming was pretty cool.
once again, i appreciate the input there Ranger.
All this, but no where has it been said that you have indeed a i717 Note. This, I think is how most people find themselves with a brick. Being in the wrong device section of the forum. Trivial and redundant as it sounds no one can afford to get this confused.
:screwy:Never mind, see it now, just had to run my big mouth, didn't I ?:banghead:
BLACKSTAR XI -SGH-I717 xda-developers app SAMSUNG done right
Yeaaaah, ooops. Well there's another use for the Spen and a place to store it.
But you are correct, I have witnessed the destruction of at least ten notes and some S2's by being in the wrong forum.
This is dangerous business.
Hi i want to know if can i upgrade my e970(Nexus 4 Converted) to android 4.3 the only issue i cant find the fixes (sd/gps/physical keys) if someone can help me to do this.. i will be grateful..
carnes said:
Hi i want to know if can i upgrade my e970(Nexus 4 Converted) to android 4.3 the only issue i cant find the fixes (sd/gps/physical keys) if someone can help me to do this.. i will be grateful..
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I don't think anyone has done any new fixes for 4.3 conversion, as there's really not much point anymore. Some of the old fixes might still work, but you're probably better off converting back. Is there a particular ROM you want that hasn't been ported? If not, what's your reason to stay converted?
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I don't think anyone has done any new fixes for 4.3 conversion, as there's really not much point anymore. Some of the old fixes might still work, but you're probably better off converting back. Is there a particular ROM you want that hasn't been ported? If not, what's your reason to stay converted?
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Thanks for your answer, first i dont like the original lg software, second i have better battery result with the nexus software and all be get better with android 4.3, third i dont know if this is a placebo effect but i feel more fluid performance...
carnes said:
Thanks for your answer, first i dont like the original lg software, second i have better battery result with the nexus software and all be get better with android 4.3, third i dont know if this is a placebo effect but i feel more fluid performance...
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There are plenty of 4.3 ROM available for non converted devices which are non stock, and which yield excellent battery life. I recommend you try some of them before dismissing them.
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dandrumheller said:
There are plenty of 4.3 ROM available for non converted devices which are non stock, and which yield excellent battery life. I recommend you try some of them before dismissing them.
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I saw this and I figured I'd jump in, I'm also converted and I'm wondering about a GPS fix- I've easily applied the fixes for Ext SD, Cap Keys, etc, however GPS seems to aloud me- I can't find a way to make it work in a normal fashion, Maybe if I'd give it like a long time it would work but then what's the point?
So, I was wondering, what was a way that worked for you to make GPS work?
Additionally, I will say that in all my time doing android (hasn't been long, but I've gone through at least 7-8 devices including most of the flagships) I've never seen any version of CM run as smooth and stable as a stock nexus 4, but that's just me- I like roms who work fairly quickly out of the box, not ones where you have to keep putting out fires and fixing stuff.
Anyway, regarding my question- any idea how to "fix" GPS?
Most of the experienced users and developers do not approve of the n4 conversion and a lot of us explicitly refuse to support it. So convert back, you should have just been patient and waited the wee bit of time it took to get aosp roms on here without converting.
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Most of the experienced users and developers do not approve of the n4 conversion and a lot of us explicitly refuse to support it. So convert back, you should have just been patient and waited the wee bit of time it took to get aosp roms on here without converting.
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Is that so? A developer's website which doesn't support developing? How wonderfully condescending of you!
Couple of things:
First off, I just did this conversion, after having being annoyed with the optimus UI in my optimus g which I procured from ebay at a wonderful price of 170$ for a mint in box price. I figured converting to a nexus 4 would simply grant me a wonderful stock rom to use, much like Galaxy S4 use flash the GPe rom for their own use.
The fact that this very simple process (honestly, just use the tot file provided in LGNPST, god almighty, it's child's play! only ODIN is easier than this!) is not supported in my eyes just goes to show the truly awful state in which we found ourselves in- Instead of exploring new avenues, we fear advancement and change and are told to "stick to our pre-approved roms".
Well sir, perhaps I'm not your idea of an "experienced user" but I will not be kow-towed! I'll just figure this out on my own, as I did with most things I needed to figure out while helping my friends with their android devices for the last couple of years.
Not to bash the devs of course, they offer us choice and we choose to put our heads in the sand.
In any case, have a wonderful day, let me know of anything else you don't approve of so I can immediately remove it from my life-
Electricity? Running Water? Breathing Air?
Good day!
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Is that so? A developer's website which doesn't support developing? How wonderfully condescending of you!
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You're completely missing the point. It wasn't about being condescending at all, but to inform the user that no one with E970s are working on the converted version anymore, as you can run the ASOP perfectly fine "natively". So, since all development is going into working with the latest releases on non-converted E970, why should we recommend N4 converting your E970?? No one will help you should anything go wrong.
That's not being condescending, just a statement of facts. Sorry.
This issue could be avoided if people would just do a bit more reading before jumping into the conversion. I agree there is no real point to convert anymore.
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extremeblizz said:
Is that so? A developer's website which doesn't support developing? How wonderfully condescending of you!
Couple of things:
First off, I just did this conversion, after having being annoyed with the optimus UI in my optimus g which I procured from ebay at a wonderful price of 170$ for a mint in box price. I figured converting to a nexus 4 would simply grant me a wonderful stock rom to use, much like Galaxy S4 use flash the GPe rom for their own use.
The fact that this very simple process (honestly, just use the tot file provided in LGNPST, god almighty, it's child's play! only ODIN is easier than this!) is not supported in my eyes just goes to show the truly awful state in which we found ourselves in- Instead of exploring new avenues, we fear advancement and change and are told to "stick to our pre-approved roms".
Well sir, perhaps I'm not your idea of an "experienced user" but I will not be kow-towed! I'll just figure this out on my own, as I did with most things I needed to figure out while helping my friends with their android devices for the last couple of years.
Not to bash the devs of course, they offer us choice and we choose to put our heads in the sand.
In any case, have a wonderful day, let me know of anything else you don't approve of so I can immediately remove it from my life-
Electricity? Running Water? Breathing Air?
Good day!
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Something is off about you. I informed you of by far the path of least resistance to put 4.3 on your phone. Instead you suggest I am kowtowing you. That doesn't make any sense.
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The conversion was a hack released against the wishes of those who discovered it, then left unsupported. Dvhexer released some patches until 4.1 update made the whole thing pointless. If you convert your phone so you can feel like a rebel that's fine, but it will be pointed out how silly it is if support is asked for.
Hey All -
I've been digging, and I tend to be a lurker, but I'm not finding a safe place to put this.
In short, I am still running a rooted MDK. I have TWRP.
It used to be a huge deal for me to run a custom ROM et all because I needed to get the most out of my phone, but now that I have a great plan and an awesome phone, I found my need to flash not that big of a deal, so I'm toying with the idea of upgrading. I came here and started digging around. I found no real answer.
What I am looking for from the more seasoned and skilled members is, what would you do if you had MDK, unlimited Data/Wifi Hotspot? Would you just flash a 4.3 ROM and the new MJ7 Modem? Or would you just flash a stock ROM with the stock Recovery and take the OTA?
I'd like to keep Root, but (as I said) it's not necessary to have it at this moment, but if waiting long enough means I can basically get a stock MJ7 without the KNOX and pre-rooted, I'd be down.
Give me your thoughts.
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Hey All -
I've been digging, and I tend to be a lurker, but I'm not finding a safe place to put this.
In short, I am still running a rooted MDK. I have TWRP.
It used to be a huge deal for me to run a custom ROM et all because I needed to get the most out of my phone, but now that I have a great plan and an awesome phone, I found my need to flash not that big of a deal, so I'm toying with the idea of upgrading. I came here and started digging around. I found no real answer.
What I am looking for from the more seasoned and skilled members is, what would you do if you had MDK, unlimited Data/Wifi Hotspot? Would you just flash a 4.3 ROM and the new MJ7 Modem? Or would you just flash a stock ROM with the stock Recovery and take the OTA?
I'd like to keep Root, but (as I said) it's not necessary to have it at this moment, but if waiting long enough means I can basically get a stock MJ7 without the KNOX and pre-rooted, I'd be down.
Give me your thoughts.
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I struggled when I had to type the response to this. Not because I didn't know the answer, but because I didn't know how to ask you why you didn't already know the answer? You're giving up what you already were taking for granted just for the sake of what? Not trying to be mean, just trying to understand.
Surge1223 said:
I struggled when I had to type the response to this. Not because I didn't know the answer, but because I didn't know how to ask you why you didn't already know the answer? You're giving up what you already were taking for granted just for the sake of what? Not trying to be mean, just trying to understand.
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No worries man, I didn't take offense to your question at all . It's all good.
Well, it's not a matter of taking something for granted -- if that were the case, I'd just do it and through forethought to the wind. What I'm looking for is what experienced eyes may see which could offer me a path I didn't think of.
I like the open-ended ability a completely accessible (s-OFF, Custom Recovery, rooted, etc) allows for me to do. I like having the options, but I don't need them right now. This questions is, in essence, a "Just because I have the money, doesn't mean I need to save it."
I've seen people suggest waiting, flashing just the modem, upgrading for all the performance increases, upgrading just for the new release and all that, but no one tying it all together for the most open-ended "I have an MDK and want to get on 4.3" solution.
I know I can flash to ME1 then OTA it to get to Stock 4.3 with root but wind up with KNOX. Is there a better way? Is there a way I'm not thinking of?
Thanks for reading!
You'll potentially lose the freedom to run custom roms forever... there's no guarantee that the bootloaders on ME7 and later will be unlocked so there's a chance you'll be stuck when Verizon stops updating the S4. You can run a stock rom on MDK all you want so I'm not sure what would be your motivation to jump the gun here... I'm sure an MJ7 based rom to flash will show up in no time...
I'd you do want to update I'm sure there are some devs that would be glad to trade you phones.
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You'll potentially lose the freedom to run custom roms forever... there's no guarantee that the bootloaders on ME7 and later will be unlocked so there's a chance you'll be stuck when Verizon stops updating the S4. You can run a stock rom on MDK all you want so I'm not sure what would be your motivation to jump the gun here... I'm sure an MJ7 based rom to flash will show up in no time...
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Thanks -- I'm not motivated to jump the gun, just answering a question while I have time to. Ironically, I did get the B.S. line from support that my problem was due to not having the latest OTA.
When you say:
I'm sure an MJ7 based rom to flash will show up in no time.
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, you're essentially stating that we'll have an MJ7 ROM that may carry some combination of Rooted, De-KNOX'd so that we can use 4.3 and still have our custom recovery? This would be what I'm looking for.
Sorry to be dense.
I'll probably just flash the modem then.
Just relax there should be a mj7 rom to flash before long.
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Thanks -- I'm not motivated to jump the gun, just answering a question while I have time to. Ironically, I did get the B.S. line from support that my problem was due to not having the latest OTA.
When you say: , you're essentially stating that we'll have an MJ7 ROM that may carry some combination of Rooted, De-KNOX'd so that we can use 4.3 and still have our custom recovery? This would be what I'm looking for.
Sorry to be dense.
I'll probably just flash the modem then.
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Yep exactly... there are already roms based on ME7 and MI1 that are close to stock with minor modifications, so of course there will be some of the same with MJ7 eventually. Just have patience and be glad you have the choices you do... some of us (like me) are stuck with a locked bootloader and we can only dream.
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No worries man, I didn't take offense to your question at all . It's all good.
Well, it's not a matter of taking something for granted -- if that were the case, I'd just do it and through forethought to the wind. What I'm looking for is what experienced eyes may see which could offer me a path I didn't think of.
I like the open-ended ability a completely accessible (s-OFF, Custom Recovery, rooted, etc) allows for me to do. I like having the options, but I don't need them right now. This questions is, in essence, a "Just because I have the money, doesn't mean I need to save it."
I've seen people suggest waiting, flashing just the modem, upgrading for all the performance increases, upgrading just for the new release and all that, but no one tying it all together for the most open-ended "I have an MDK and want to get on 4.3" solution.
I know I can flash to ME1 then OTA it to get to Stock 4.3 with root but wind up with KNOX. Is there a better way? Is there a way I'm not thinking of?
Thanks for reading!
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The point that your missing is there is no back, I changed my mind, or let me try something else. Samsung is trying to get the corporate enterprise business, which means ultra secure bootloaders and blacklisted updates that cause changes in qfuses which a physical change can not be un done by any software. So the unlocked phone will become increasing rare and harder to maintain. So a more apt example is time. You can spend it, but you can never get it back. The only route is to wait or give up cannot be gotten back.
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No worries man, I didn't take offense to your question at all . It's all good.
Well, it's not a matter of taking something for granted -- if that were the case, I'd just do it and through forethought to the wind. What I'm looking for is what experienced eyes may see which could offer me a path I didn't think of.
I like the open-ended ability a completely accessible (s-OFF, Custom Recovery, rooted, etc) allows for me to do. I like having the options, but I don't need them right now. This questions is, in essence, a "Just because I have the money, doesn't mean I need to save it."
I've seen people suggest waiting, flashing just the modem, upgrading for all the performance increases, upgrading just for the new release and all that, but no one tying it all together for the most open-ended "I have an MDK and want to get on 4.3" solution.
I know I can flash to ME1 then OTA it to get to Stock 4.3 with root but wind up with KNOX. Is there a better way? Is there a way I'm not thinking of?
Thanks for reading!
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I have to say that I was not expecting such a well thought out answer, but you have to realize that we've seen people upgrade from MDK just because they don't like how the "custom" splash screen appears and they wanted to get rid of it, or to get the newest S Voice or something. Interestingly enough, while you see it as "Just because I have the money, doesn't mean I need to save it."
I see it as "Just because it earns them more money, doesn't justify the existence and enforcement of having to use/see or be in the presence of the abomination that is Vz Navigator." But in all seriousness, my view is probably closer to this.
O gawd.... the hacker's manifesto lol.. you're making me feel old.
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You'll potentially lose the freedom to run custom roms forever...
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Don't you think that, as KNOX implementation (and greater) grows, that there will be less custom ROMS for the device? My search shows many have past the point of no return with the first OTA.[/QUOTE]
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I have to say that I was not expecting such a well thought out answer, but you have to realize that we've seen people upgrade from MDK just because they don't like how the "custom" splash screen appears and they wanted to get rid of it, or to get the newest S Voice or something. Interestingly enough, while you see it as "Just because I have the money, doesn't mean I need to save it."
I see it as "Just because it earns them more money, doesn't justify the existence and enforcement of having to use/see or be in the presence of the abomination that is Vz Navigator." But in all seriousness, my view is probably closer to this.
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I screwed up, I meant to say "Even though I have the money, I don't have to spend it." Sorry about that . I see your point though and while I'm more naturally your way, I did chuckle at the Hacker's Manifesto. While I still agree with the manifesto, it can't be all encompassing anymore. Technology is in our every day lives, and you'd have to approach your life like a monk with supreme dedication and limitation to maintain that view in it's entirety. It's better to maintain that focus in the areas that are most relevant to you in technology and maintaining the guidelines of simplicity there.
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I have to say that I was not expecting such a well thought out answer, but you have to realize that we've seen people upgrade from MDK just because they don't like how the "custom" splash screen appears and they wanted to get rid of it, or to get the newest S Voice or something. Interestingly enough, while you see it as "Just because I have the money, doesn't mean I need to save it."
I see it as "Just because it earns them more money, doesn't justify the existence and enforcement of having to use/see or be in the presence of the abomination that is Vz Navigator." But in all seriousness, my view is probably closer to this.
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Omg a hacker's manifesto reference lol flashback.
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