Hey All -
I've been digging, and I tend to be a lurker, but I'm not finding a safe place to put this.
In short, I am still running a rooted MDK. I have TWRP.
It used to be a huge deal for me to run a custom ROM et all because I needed to get the most out of my phone, but now that I have a great plan and an awesome phone, I found my need to flash not that big of a deal, so I'm toying with the idea of upgrading. I came here and started digging around. I found no real answer.
What I am looking for from the more seasoned and skilled members is, what would you do if you had MDK, unlimited Data/Wifi Hotspot? Would you just flash a 4.3 ROM and the new MJ7 Modem? Or would you just flash a stock ROM with the stock Recovery and take the OTA?
I'd like to keep Root, but (as I said) it's not necessary to have it at this moment, but if waiting long enough means I can basically get a stock MJ7 without the KNOX and pre-rooted, I'd be down.
Give me your thoughts.
mastridonicus said:
Hey All -
I've been digging, and I tend to be a lurker, but I'm not finding a safe place to put this.
In short, I am still running a rooted MDK. I have TWRP.
It used to be a huge deal for me to run a custom ROM et all because I needed to get the most out of my phone, but now that I have a great plan and an awesome phone, I found my need to flash not that big of a deal, so I'm toying with the idea of upgrading. I came here and started digging around. I found no real answer.
What I am looking for from the more seasoned and skilled members is, what would you do if you had MDK, unlimited Data/Wifi Hotspot? Would you just flash a 4.3 ROM and the new MJ7 Modem? Or would you just flash a stock ROM with the stock Recovery and take the OTA?
I'd like to keep Root, but (as I said) it's not necessary to have it at this moment, but if waiting long enough means I can basically get a stock MJ7 without the KNOX and pre-rooted, I'd be down.
Give me your thoughts.
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I struggled when I had to type the response to this. Not because I didn't know the answer, but because I didn't know how to ask you why you didn't already know the answer? You're giving up what you already were taking for granted just for the sake of what? Not trying to be mean, just trying to understand.
Surge1223 said:
I struggled when I had to type the response to this. Not because I didn't know the answer, but because I didn't know how to ask you why you didn't already know the answer? You're giving up what you already were taking for granted just for the sake of what? Not trying to be mean, just trying to understand.
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No worries man, I didn't take offense to your question at all . It's all good.
Well, it's not a matter of taking something for granted -- if that were the case, I'd just do it and through forethought to the wind. What I'm looking for is what experienced eyes may see which could offer me a path I didn't think of.
I like the open-ended ability a completely accessible (s-OFF, Custom Recovery, rooted, etc) allows for me to do. I like having the options, but I don't need them right now. This questions is, in essence, a "Just because I have the money, doesn't mean I need to save it."
I've seen people suggest waiting, flashing just the modem, upgrading for all the performance increases, upgrading just for the new release and all that, but no one tying it all together for the most open-ended "I have an MDK and want to get on 4.3" solution.
I know I can flash to ME1 then OTA it to get to Stock 4.3 with root but wind up with KNOX. Is there a better way? Is there a way I'm not thinking of?
Thanks for reading!
You'll potentially lose the freedom to run custom roms forever... there's no guarantee that the bootloaders on ME7 and later will be unlocked so there's a chance you'll be stuck when Verizon stops updating the S4. You can run a stock rom on MDK all you want so I'm not sure what would be your motivation to jump the gun here... I'm sure an MJ7 based rom to flash will show up in no time...
I'd you do want to update I'm sure there are some devs that would be glad to trade you phones.
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You'll potentially lose the freedom to run custom roms forever... there's no guarantee that the bootloaders on ME7 and later will be unlocked so there's a chance you'll be stuck when Verizon stops updating the S4. You can run a stock rom on MDK all you want so I'm not sure what would be your motivation to jump the gun here... I'm sure an MJ7 based rom to flash will show up in no time...
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Thanks -- I'm not motivated to jump the gun, just answering a question while I have time to. Ironically, I did get the B.S. line from support that my problem was due to not having the latest OTA.
When you say:
I'm sure an MJ7 based rom to flash will show up in no time.
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, you're essentially stating that we'll have an MJ7 ROM that may carry some combination of Rooted, De-KNOX'd so that we can use 4.3 and still have our custom recovery? This would be what I'm looking for.
Sorry to be dense.
I'll probably just flash the modem then.
Just relax there should be a mj7 rom to flash before long.
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Thanks -- I'm not motivated to jump the gun, just answering a question while I have time to. Ironically, I did get the B.S. line from support that my problem was due to not having the latest OTA.
When you say: , you're essentially stating that we'll have an MJ7 ROM that may carry some combination of Rooted, De-KNOX'd so that we can use 4.3 and still have our custom recovery? This would be what I'm looking for.
Sorry to be dense.
I'll probably just flash the modem then.
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Yep exactly... there are already roms based on ME7 and MI1 that are close to stock with minor modifications, so of course there will be some of the same with MJ7 eventually. Just have patience and be glad you have the choices you do... some of us (like me) are stuck with a locked bootloader and we can only dream.
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No worries man, I didn't take offense to your question at all . It's all good.
Well, it's not a matter of taking something for granted -- if that were the case, I'd just do it and through forethought to the wind. What I'm looking for is what experienced eyes may see which could offer me a path I didn't think of.
I like the open-ended ability a completely accessible (s-OFF, Custom Recovery, rooted, etc) allows for me to do. I like having the options, but I don't need them right now. This questions is, in essence, a "Just because I have the money, doesn't mean I need to save it."
I've seen people suggest waiting, flashing just the modem, upgrading for all the performance increases, upgrading just for the new release and all that, but no one tying it all together for the most open-ended "I have an MDK and want to get on 4.3" solution.
I know I can flash to ME1 then OTA it to get to Stock 4.3 with root but wind up with KNOX. Is there a better way? Is there a way I'm not thinking of?
Thanks for reading!
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The point that your missing is there is no back, I changed my mind, or let me try something else. Samsung is trying to get the corporate enterprise business, which means ultra secure bootloaders and blacklisted updates that cause changes in qfuses which a physical change can not be un done by any software. So the unlocked phone will become increasing rare and harder to maintain. So a more apt example is time. You can spend it, but you can never get it back. The only route is to wait or give up cannot be gotten back.
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mastridonicus said:
No worries man, I didn't take offense to your question at all . It's all good.
Well, it's not a matter of taking something for granted -- if that were the case, I'd just do it and through forethought to the wind. What I'm looking for is what experienced eyes may see which could offer me a path I didn't think of.
I like the open-ended ability a completely accessible (s-OFF, Custom Recovery, rooted, etc) allows for me to do. I like having the options, but I don't need them right now. This questions is, in essence, a "Just because I have the money, doesn't mean I need to save it."
I've seen people suggest waiting, flashing just the modem, upgrading for all the performance increases, upgrading just for the new release and all that, but no one tying it all together for the most open-ended "I have an MDK and want to get on 4.3" solution.
I know I can flash to ME1 then OTA it to get to Stock 4.3 with root but wind up with KNOX. Is there a better way? Is there a way I'm not thinking of?
Thanks for reading!
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I have to say that I was not expecting such a well thought out answer, but you have to realize that we've seen people upgrade from MDK just because they don't like how the "custom" splash screen appears and they wanted to get rid of it, or to get the newest S Voice or something. Interestingly enough, while you see it as "Just because I have the money, doesn't mean I need to save it."
I see it as "Just because it earns them more money, doesn't justify the existence and enforcement of having to use/see or be in the presence of the abomination that is Vz Navigator." But in all seriousness, my view is probably closer to this.
O gawd.... the hacker's manifesto lol.. you're making me feel old.
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You'll potentially lose the freedom to run custom roms forever...
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Don't you think that, as KNOX implementation (and greater) grows, that there will be less custom ROMS for the device? My search shows many have past the point of no return with the first OTA.[/QUOTE]
Surge1223 said:
I have to say that I was not expecting such a well thought out answer, but you have to realize that we've seen people upgrade from MDK just because they don't like how the "custom" splash screen appears and they wanted to get rid of it, or to get the newest S Voice or something. Interestingly enough, while you see it as "Just because I have the money, doesn't mean I need to save it."
I see it as "Just because it earns them more money, doesn't justify the existence and enforcement of having to use/see or be in the presence of the abomination that is Vz Navigator." But in all seriousness, my view is probably closer to this.
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I screwed up, I meant to say "Even though I have the money, I don't have to spend it." Sorry about that . I see your point though and while I'm more naturally your way, I did chuckle at the Hacker's Manifesto. While I still agree with the manifesto, it can't be all encompassing anymore. Technology is in our every day lives, and you'd have to approach your life like a monk with supreme dedication and limitation to maintain that view in it's entirety. It's better to maintain that focus in the areas that are most relevant to you in technology and maintaining the guidelines of simplicity there.
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I have to say that I was not expecting such a well thought out answer, but you have to realize that we've seen people upgrade from MDK just because they don't like how the "custom" splash screen appears and they wanted to get rid of it, or to get the newest S Voice or something. Interestingly enough, while you see it as "Just because I have the money, doesn't mean I need to save it."
I see it as "Just because it earns them more money, doesn't justify the existence and enforcement of having to use/see or be in the presence of the abomination that is Vz Navigator." But in all seriousness, my view is probably closer to this.
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Omg a hacker's manifesto reference lol flashback.
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I've been following the bounty for unlocking recovery for specifically the me7 device and ended up rooting it using the loki method found in the OP of the bounty thread. I also read on the discussion thread and continue hearing about having roms on the me7 device. I have the me7 and I haven't come across anything so far to achieve the aforesaid. Is there something that I missed or is this the current state of the verizon me7 baseband version of the gs4?
The ROMs you are hearing about are ME7 based not flashed on ME7 as custom recovery doesn't exist (as of now) on that version. These ROMs have to be flashed from an MDK rooted phone with a custom recovery but preserve your root (obviously) and recovery so you can go back to an MDK ROM whenever you'd like.
JGeigerM said:
The ROMs you are hearing about are ME7 based not flashed on ME7 as custom recovery doesn't exist (as of now) on that version. These ROMs have to be flashed from an MDK rooted phone with a custom recovery but preserve your root (obviously) and recovery so you can go back to an MDK ROM whenever you'd like.
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Thanks for the quick reply, I'm screwed for now. I got mine already as a ME7. I'll keep following on that bounty thread then.
You are in the same boat as many of us. I am just going with root for now, posted in the bounty thread that I would like to contribute. With the funds over $5k there is some serious traction and Verizon clearly knows how pissed users are but clearly could care less and I am sure they are overly joyed with how well its been locked down. There are a lot of talented users out there and its not easy to crack these things.
RaptorMD said:
You are in the same boat as many of us. I am just going with root for now, posted in the bounty thread that I would like to contribute. With the funds over $5k there is some serious traction and Verizon clearly knows how pissed users are but clearly could care less and I am sure they are overly joyed with how well its been locked down. There are a lot of talented users out there and its not easy to crack these things.
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I completely understand, I am super grateful for any and all devs out there working on this sort of project. I was just making sure I didn't miss anything and was being an idiot who could have been able to install roms on his phone but didn't out of ignorance. By the way, I'm fairly new so is 5k+ more than average for a bounty on this kind of phone or is that normal here?
Chaselicious said:
I completely understand, I am super grateful for any and all devs out there working on this sort of project. I was just making sure I didn't miss anything and was being an idiot who could have been able to install roms on his phone but didn't out of ignorance. By the way, I'm fairly new so is 5k+ more than average for a bounty on this kind of phone or is that normal here?
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Questions are always welcome, that is how we all learn. As for the bounty dollar amount, I have not seen too many bounty threads before, mostly donation threads to get a dev a phone to support it. But I would suspect $5k and counting is a pretty good motivation
I have an S4 on MDK. All this talk of the 4.3 update makes me want it. I want to update and am happy with the stock ROM after tweaking it with Apex and Xposed. I however don't want to lose the ability to install a custom ROM every once in a while. Is the bootstrap method good enough?
jeromeh said:
I have an S4 on MDK. All this talk of the 4.3 update makes me want it. I want to update and am happy with the stock ROM after tweaking it with Apex and Xposed. I however don't want to lose the ability to install a custom ROM every once in a while. Is the bootstrap method good enough?
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Based on your concerns, I would stay on MDK and await word once this thing is out in the wild a bit if root is even possible let alone custom roms.
lazer9 said:
Based on your concerns, I would stay on MDK and await word once this thing is out in the wild a bit if root is even possible let alone custom roms.
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Ok. I dislike the idea of losing all my current ability to change ROMs maybe I will just have to swim through more custom roms and find one I like. Notifications seem to look better on the Stock Touchwiz vs AOSP
There has to be 100 threads on here NEVER TAKE A OTA. If you were bone stock and had no idea what root even means then by all means go for it and update. But most users here on XDA want more out of their devices. A lot of users learned the hard way when they rushed from MDK to ME7. What a headache. Then it seems everyone rushed to MI1. I really do not understand why people don't just wait a couple of days and wait for the devs to give a bonestock rooted safe build to flash.
With that said, I bet once 4.3 drops it will get crazy in here!
Travisdroidx2 said:
There has to be 100 threads on here NEVER TAKE A OTA. If you were bone stock and had no idea what root even means then by all means go for it and update. But most users here on XDA want more out of their devices. A lot of users learned the hard way when they rushed from MDK to ME7. What a headache. Then it seems everyone rushed to MI1. I really do not understand why people don't just wait a couple of days and wait for the devs to give a bonestock rooted safe build to flash.
With that said, I bet once 4.3 drops it will get crazy in here!
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I was more asking if I would be shooting myself in the foot by moving to a safestrap restricted device. It seems like most development is that way anyway. Not trying to be a pain or anything. I sure do miss a Nexus device.
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I was more asking if I would be shooting myself in the foot by moving to a safestrap restricted device. It seems like most development is that way anyway. Not trying to be a pain or anything. I sure do miss a Nexus device.
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stay away from the OTA for now
I rooted my Verizon S4, froze all of the bloatware with ROM Toolbox Pro, and now it's fast as hell. The battery lasts 2 days with moderate use, FoxFi hotspot works, and I don't get any security warnings (froze your ass KNOX). I've installed SafeStrap 3.71, and I've tried installing HypderDrive, but it hasn't been able to stick. The bootloader is totally locked down, so Hashcode's SafeStrap seems to be the only thing keeping any hope alive for something that will work.
I guess the real frustrating thing is that there is no real unity between developers here, and that no one can decide on a route to go with. This leaves a lot of us who just got the S4 with fewer, or no ROM options. Is it time we accepted that a bootloader solution might not be the way to go, and attack it using something like SafeStrap? I've been using SafeStrap on my Droid 4 for a long time, and it is the best alternative, and in many ways, superior to unlocking a bootloader. Sure you get issues regarding space for more than one ROM install, but having your stock ROM intact is an excellent fail safe. There are some other constrictions, but the manpower potential could really bring results to a dual-boot system like SafeStrap.
My deal here is, let's get behind HashCode on this, and maybe he can share his work with the rest of the developer community, and we can all contribute some funds to make something like SafeStrap work, which it most definitely can. Imagine if we could get Cyanogenmod developers working on SafeStrap with HashCode to come up with ROMs that would actually work like they do with an unlocked bootloader. There is a somewhat steep learning curve with SafeStrap, but with resources comes better documentation. People are too quick to jump on a 1-click rooting method, and leave the rest of us behind. If SafeStrap got enough attention, maybe it could someday be a one-click solution that no one at Samsung, Motorola, or HTC could ever lock down.
Let me know what you think.
RueTheDayTrebek said:
I've been using SafeStrap on my Droid 4 for a long time, and it is the best alternative, and in many ways, superior to unlocking a bootloader. Sure you get issues regarding space for more than one ROM install, but having your stock ROM intact is an excellent fail safe. There are some other constrictions, but the manpower potential could really bring results to a dual-boot system like SafeStrap.
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I Love Hashcode and that he designed SafeStrap as i have used it on my Droid Bionic prior to getting the S4 (im still on MDK). But I would never say it's superior to unlocking a bootloader in any sense. I can say maybe convenient for quicker swapping of roms but I can't see SS being better then an unlocked Bootloader.
But the rest of you post im totally on board with. Id rather an unlocked Bootloader and be able to get OTA's with the correct kernels then a port where some things won't work since were still on the original or a previous kernel.
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I rooted my Verizon S4, froze all of the bloatware with ROM Toolbox Pro, and now it's fast as hell. The battery lasts 2 days with moderate use, FoxFi hotspot works, and I don't get any security warnings (froze your ass KNOX). I've installed SafeStrap 3.71, and I've tried installing HypderDrive, but it hasn't been able to stick. The bootloader is totally locked down, so Hashcode's SafeStrap seems to be the only thing keeping any hope alive for something that will work.
I guess the real frustrating thing is that there is no real unity between developers here, and that no one can decide on a route to go with. This leaves a lot of us who just got the S4 with fewer, or no ROM options. Is it time we accepted that a bootloader solution might not be the way to go, and attack it using something like SafeStrap? I've been using SafeStrap on my Droid 4 for a long time, and it is the best alternative, and in many ways, superior to unlocking a bootloader. Sure you get issues regarding space for more than one ROM install, but having your stock ROM intact is an excellent fail safe. There are some other constrictions, but the manpower potential could really bring results to a dual-boot system like SafeStrap.
My deal here is, let's get behind HashCode on this, and maybe he can share his work with the rest of the developer community, and we can all contribute some funds to make something like SafeStrap work, which it most definitely can. Imagine if we could get Cyanogenmod developers working on SafeStrap with HashCode to come up with ROMs that would actually work like they do with an unlocked bootloader. There is a somewhat steep learning curve with SafeStrap, but with resources comes better documentation. People are too quick to jump on a 1-click rooting method, and leave the rest of us behind. If SafeStrap got enough attention, maybe it could someday be a one-click solution that no one at Samsung, Motorola, or HTC could ever lock down.
Let me know what you think.
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HD 12 is about as flawless as one would expect for a custom rom. Im happy with it and honestly if there were more options, I doubt I would move away from it. Thats just my opinion though. What do you mean it didnt stick?
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The development community on the S4 took a pretty big hit with the whole boot loader thing. Hopefully hash can figure out Kexec and hopefully we can get more dev support...
But until then safestrap IS here, it does have roms and it works great. Not sure exactly what your looking for?
Can you detail what your doing to advance the community, and how you want us to help you?
scryan said:
The development community on the S4 took a pretty big hit with the whole boot loader thing. Hopefully hash can figure out Kexec and hopefully we can get more dev support...
But until then safestrap IS here, it does have roms and it works great. Not sure exactly what your looking for?
Can you detail what your doing to advance the community, and how you want us to help you?
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What are you talking about? Did you get my post mixed up with the op's?
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Bradh024 said:
What are you talking about? Did you get my post mixed up with the op's?
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Yup. lol sorry just hit the "Reply" button with out noticing its the same as most forums Quote button.... Just meant to reply.
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Yup. lol sorry just hit the "Reply" button with out noticing its the same as most forums Quote button.... Just meant to reply.
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Ahh I gotcha. Had me confused for a minute there. lol
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RueTheDayTrebek said:
I rooted my Verizon S4, froze all of the bloatware with ROM Toolbox Pro, and now it's fast as hell. The battery lasts 2 days with moderate use, FoxFi hotspot works, and I don't get any security warnings (froze your ass KNOX). I've installed SafeStrap 3.71, and I've tried installing HypderDrive, but it hasn't been able to stick. The bootloader is totally locked down, so Hashcode's SafeStrap seems to be the only thing keeping any hope alive for something that will work.
I guess the real frustrating thing is that there is no real unity between developers here, and that no one can decide on a route to go with. This leaves a lot of us who just got the S4 with fewer, or no ROM options. Is it time we accepted that a bootloader solution might not be the way to go, and attack it using something like SafeStrap? I've been using SafeStrap on my Droid 4 for a long time, and it is the best alternative, and in many ways, superior to unlocking a bootloader. Sure you get issues regarding space for more than one ROM install, but having your stock ROM intact is an excellent fail safe. There are some other constrictions, but the manpower potential could really bring results to a dual-boot system like SafeStrap.
My deal here is, let's get behind HashCode on this, and maybe he can share his work with the rest of the developer community, and we can all contribute some funds to make something like SafeStrap work, which it most definitely can. Imagine if we could get Cyanogenmod developers working on SafeStrap with HashCode to come up with ROMs that would actually work like they do with an unlocked bootloader. There is a somewhat steep learning curve with SafeStrap, but with resources comes better documentation. People are too quick to jump on a 1-click rooting method, and leave the rest of us behind. If SafeStrap got enough attention, maybe it could someday be a one-click solution that no one at Samsung, Motorola, or HTC could ever lock down.
Let me know what you think.
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what makes you think there is no unity or communication between devs on this issue? The fact of the matter is, the security lockdown is pretty steep and in the end, no work around can be possible.
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what makes you think there is no unity or communication between devs on this issue? The fact of the matter is, the security lockdown is pretty steep and in the end, no work around can be possible.
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That's my point about the bootloader, that in time, every carrier is going to put their phones on lockdown. It just makes sense to move to a newer concept than trying to unlock the bootloader. Is hijacking the boot order, what SafeStrap does, the right way to go? What about overwriting the kernel and bypassing the bootloader altogether? I remember Hashcode was working with kexec, and for those of you who were there a couple of years ago when SafeStrap was first there for the Motorla RZR, D4, and Bionic, might remember this. It executes a live kernel overwrite, before the bootloader can even come up to verify the signed stock rom/firmware/bootloader.
I've read a couple of people mentioning this, but I'm not sure if its feasible. My point, SafeStrap and KEXEC are two options that need some blockbuster support. Hashcode is the Zeus of Mt. SafeStrape, but where is the God of War and the rest of the bunch to kick ass? Can we pick a direction?
Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way, maybe my message isn't the one that needs to be heard? I haven't posted much over the last couple of years, but I've done a lot of reading over the last few weeks, and I'm just curious if there is a Bat Signal they can use to summon the Justice League and put their collective boots up the ass of Lex Luthor (Verizon and co.)?
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That's my point about the bootloader, that in time, every carrier is going to put their phones on lockdown. It just makes sense to move to a newer concept than trying to unlock the bootloader. Is hijacking the boot order, what SafeStrap does, the right way to go? What about overwriting the kernel and bypassing the bootloader altogether? I remember Hashcode was working with kexec, and for those of you who were there a couple of years ago when SafeStrap was first there for the Motorla RZR, D4, and Bionic, might remember this. It executes a live kernel overwrite, before the bootloader can even come up to verify the signed stock rom/firmware/bootloader.
I've read a couple of people mentioning this, but I'm not sure if its feasible. My point, SafeStrap and KEXEC are two options that need some blockbuster support. Hashcode is the Zeus of Mt. SafeStrape, but where is the God of War and the rest of the bunch to kick ass? Can we pick a direction?
Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way, maybe my message isn't the one that needs to be heard? I haven't posted much over the last couple of years, but I've done a lot of reading over the last few weeks, and I'm just curious if there is a Bat Signal they can use to summon the Justice League and put their collective boots up the ass of Lex Luthor (Verizon and co.)?
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Put it this way:
I'm with you 100%... WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?
Because right now, your basically saying "DEVELOP MORE STUFF FOR ME SO I DON'T HAVE TO, LOLZ".
You just saying we should do things better is not a plan, what are you actually doing here to move this thing forwards?
BTW:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2578566
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2500826
Its not just like "BOOM! Here is Kexec!"
Its not like the people you are suggesting should put together a software package for you phone for free are not working on it... Its just hard.
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That's my point about the bootloader, that in time, every carrier is going to put their phones on lockdown. It just makes sense to move to a newer concept than trying to unlock the bootloader. Is hijacking the boot order, what SafeStrap does, the right way to go? What about overwriting the kernel and bypassing the bootloader altogether? I remember Hashcode was working with kexec, and for those of you who were there a couple of years ago when SafeStrap was first there for the Motorla RZR, D4, and Bionic, might remember this. It executes a live kernel overwrite, before the bootloader can even come up to verify the signed stock rom/firmware/bootloader.
I've read a couple of people mentioning this, but I'm not sure if its feasible. My point, SafeStrap and KEXEC are two options that need some blockbuster support. Hashcode is the Zeus of Mt. SafeStrape, but where is the God of War and the rest of the bunch to kick ass? Can we pick a direction?
Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way, maybe my message isn't the one that needs to be heard? I haven't posted much over the last couple of years, but I've done a lot of reading over the last few weeks, and I'm just curious if there is a Bat Signal they can use to summon the Justice League and put their collective boots up the ass of Lex Luthor (Verizon and co.)?
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Dude. There are people working on this, believe me. And people who arent developers or cant contribute directly have posted a bounty to reward whoever can get a workaround. Safestrap does work, regardless of whether you are able to get it to work on your device. I'm guessing its user error. Not really sure what more you expect the community or Hashcode or any other dev to do that they arent already doing...
So after attempting the goomanager method of unlocking my Galaxy S4 and after getting stuck in odin mode, and after a little more limited research, I have read in a few forums that you CANNOT unlock the bootloader of this particular model. Can some please verify or repudiate this for me, and if this is not the case, can someone guide me to a forum that can help me, because I haven't read a forum that specifies whether or not their method will work on this model of the Galaxy S4.
Thanks for any and all help...
First off I'm guessing you didn't read any of the stickies on this forum about rooting and or unlocking this device. Secondly, it depends on which bootloader version you have as to if you can unlock it.
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Idk exactly what you're talking about, but this phone is rooted and what are you talking about "bootloader version?" Are you making things up? If you're talking about my build number I am MK2. I'm not sure what you're talking about lol. Help me out here.
JACKc2402 said:
Idk exactly what you're talking about, but this phone is rooted and what are you talking about "bootloader version?" Are you making things up? If you're talking about my build number I am MK2. I'm not sure what you're talking about lol. Help me out here.
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dude you cant unlock bootloader. Only if you were on mdk.... So you need to full wipe odin the factory mk2. then root and then use safestrap. Please read the forums dude
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dude you cant unlock bootloader. Only if you were on mdk.... So you need to full wipe odin the factory mk2. then root and then use safestrap. Please read the forums dude
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Lol, I promise you I have searched up and down for a clear answer and I haven't seen it yet. Besides, most of these forums are several months old and I wasn't sure if anything has changed since the next version of this phone is about to be released. I didn't know if, perhaps, Verizon themselves had released an unlocked bootloader like HTC initially did with the DNA.... And I don't need to odin factory mk2, all I needed was a battery pull. I already have Safestrap installed. I'm way ahead of you. I'm not looking for a work-around. I want this damn bootloader unlocked so I can flash Cyanogemod. If that is still impossible I understand, but you people need to chill out. This is the QUESTION AND ANSWERING forum.
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Lol, I promise you I have searched up and down for a clear answer and I haven't seen it yet. Besides, most of these forums are several months old and I wasn't sure if anything has changed since the next version of this phone is about to be released. I didn't know if, perhaps, Verizon themselves had released an unlocked bootloader like HTC initially did with the DNA.... And I don't need to odin factory mk2, all I needed was a battery pull. I already have Safestrap installed. I'm way ahead of you. I'm not looking for a work-around. I want this damn bootloader unlocked so I can flash Cyanogemod. If that is still impossible I understand, but you people need to chill out. This is the QUESTION AND ANSWERING forum.
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XDA is actually one of the sites that most for the most part is updated daily. There are multiple threads on here stating how the retail version of the Verizon S4 after MDK build ( the 1st release ) cannot have a custom recovery enabling you to flash any aosp ROMs.
Just takes some getting used to when someone is new on here that's all. Browse to the Verizon S4 forums and you'll see a ton of Stickies created addressing these kind of things.
Go to Swappa and get an MDK S4 if you really want CM.
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XDA is actually one of the sites that most for the most part is updated daily. There are multiple threads on here stating how the retail version of the Verizon S4 after MDK build ( the 1st release ) cannot have a custom recovery enabling you to flash any aosp ROMs.
Just takes some getting used to when someone is new on here that's all. Browse to the Verizon S4 forums and you'll see a ton of Stickies created addressing these kind of things.
Go to Swappa and get an MDK S4 if you really want CM.
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See, that's actually helpful. Nice and concise. Believe it or not, I'm not new to XDA. I've been flashing ROMs since my O.G. A855. That phone was a beast! No locked bootloader b.s., one-click-root, simple clockworkmod installation... Those were the good ole days! I simply rarely post because I usually know what I'm doing. My last phone (Droid DNA, wouldn't recommend that phone to anyone) almost kicked my ass. I literally just purchased this Galaxy S4 today and couldn't believe the bootloader is still locked. But alas, Verizon are jerks and you'd probably need 100 years to crack their encryptions on windows 8 64-bit lol. Thanks for the input guys. I suppose I'll settle for Hyperdrive.
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See, that's actually helpful. Nice and concise. Believe it or not, I'm not new to XDA. I've been flashing ROMs since my O.G. A855. That phone was a beast! No locked bootloader b.s., one-click-root, simple clockworkmod installation... Those were the good ole days! I simply rarely post because I usually know what I'm doing. My last phone (Droid DNA, wouldn't recommend that phone to anyone) almost kicked my ass. I literally just purchased this Galaxy S4 today and couldn't believe the bootloader is still locked. But alas, Verizon are jerks and you'd probably need 100 years to crack their encryptions on windows 8 64-bit lol. Thanks for the input guys. I suppose I'll settle for Hyperdrive.
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LOL. "Settle" for Hyperdrive? I am on the developer edition S4 and can flash any of the ROM's for it, including the ASOP, Cyanogen, whatever. I still come back to Hyperdrive. Simply the best (IMHO). Easy to forget that it's TouchWiz based. All the customization one could want. As stable as any. Don't know exactly what limits safestrap may impose but HD is my DD.
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LOL. "Settle" for Hyperdrive? I am on the developer edition S4 and can flash any of the ROM's for it, including the ASOP, Cyanogen, whatever. I still come back to Hyperdrive. Simply the best (IMHO). Easy to forget that it's TouchWiz based. All the customization one could want. As stable as any. Don't know exactly what limits safestrap may impose but HD is my DD.
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I'll trade you my non dev S4... I'm missing CM so bad. HyperDrive isn't bad, it's Just not CM.
ericerk said:
I'll trade you my non dev S4... I'm missing CM so bad. HyperDrive isn't bad, it's Just not CM.
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Thanks, but I'm hanging on to my DEV Edition. Hope you can find one, or at least an MDK.
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Thanks, but I'm hanging on to my DEV Edition. Hope you can find one, or at least an MDK.
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Meh... If the S4 doesn't get unlocked soon, I'll sell it.
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Idk exactly what you're talking about, but this phone is rooted and what are you talking about "bootloader version?" Are you making things up? If you're talking about my build number I am MK2. I'm not sure what you're talking about lol. Help me out here.
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Making things up? No. Apparently you seem to be missing the forest for the trees.
Start with reading this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2606501
Then read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2578569
The important thing to know is NOT the build number, it's the bootloader version. You can run whatever build you want if you have the MDK bootloader, and can't if you don't have that bootloader. So, that's the important question, whether or not you understand it.
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Making things up? No. Apparently you seem to be missing the forest for the trees.
Start with reading this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2606501
Then read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2578569
The important thing to know is NOT the build number, it's the bootloader version. You can run whatever build you want if you have the MDK bootloader, and can't if you don't have that bootloader. So, that's the important question, whether or not you understand it.
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I see, I apologize to the commenter. But this is why I'm here, to get help with what I am not familiar with. I was a hardcore Moto fan for years, all the way from the A855 until they ruined the experience with the Bionic. That was a terrible device. My first non-Moto phone was the HTC DNA. I had that about 8 months before I just got this Samsung yesterday. They all work by the same basic principles but I am finding quirky little differences that throw me off a little. It seems that with every phone I get flashing gets a little more difficult and I am forced to learn more and more about this OS then I ever intended lol. I honestly appreciate the help guys.
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LOL. "Settle" for Hyperdrive? I am on the developer edition S4 and can flash any of the ROM's for it, including the ASOP, Cyanogen, whatever. I still come back to Hyperdrive. Simply the best (IMHO). Easy to forget that it's TouchWiz based. All the customization one could want. As stable as any. Don't know exactly what limits safestrap may impose but HD is my DD.
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HyperDrive is a quirky and clumsy version of CM with mediocre animations. It isn't up to par with a several ROMs, including Eclipse and especially not CM or Paranoid Android. That's my opinion. In fact, I'm about to flash to Eclipse from HD.
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LOL. "Settle" for Hyperdrive? I am on the developer edition S4 and can flash any of the ROM's for it, including the ASOP, Cyanogen, whatever. I still come back to Hyperdrive. Simply the best (IMHO). Easy to forget that it's TouchWiz based. All the customization one could want. As stable as any. Don't know exactly what limits safestrap may impose but HD is my DD.
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I'll trade you my non dev S4... I'm missing CM so bad. HyperDrive isn't bad, it's Just not CM.
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Agreed, I'd cut off my left nut to get CM on this device.
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Agreed, I'd cut off my left nut to get CM on this device.
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I'd just buy a dev edition... Save your left nut.
DO NOT ACCEPT ZV8/ZV6 UPDATE IF YOU STILL WANT ROOT/UNLOCK!!!!
I'm just trying to slow down all the new posts scattered all over about this. And YES this is another useless post.
There is no root for the ZV8/ZV6 update. Here's some info/Changes
Thanks to autoprime.
ZV8
ZV6
If you accept the update, well, you just lost root and every other freedom you had with this phone.
Fixes
There not one yet for ZV8
ZV6
Try this one first. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=57180824.
Thanks to @mrj0087
Your only and next option is Flashtool to ZV4. Here
After LGFlashtool , "Stump" (Root), and "Bump" (unlock)
Get those links from Here
Now here's your options:
Follow autoprime's way:
ZV8
ZV6
Or flash these Rom's in TWRP
Stock Rooted ZV8
Stock Rooted ZV6
BarRin Rooted
How to stop OTA's
Go HERE
Until we get Root for ZV8/ZV6 these are your only options. Well, there's always one more. Give up Root, Unlock and run it like LG/Sprint wants. But you wouldn't be here if that were the case.
Wow. I just have to say that I read these forums for hours heeding all warnings and learning how to properly flash, root, etc. before I even touch my phone. To see these guys attempt these procedures on a 600 dollar phone without thoroughly understanding what they are doing simply amazes me. I will shut up now. Thanks for all you guys do to make my phone awesome! :thumbup:
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I'm glad I went ahead and flashed the rooted zv6.
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texasjmzmd said:
Wow. I just have to say that I read these forums for hours heeding all warnings and learning how to properly flash, root, etc. before I even touch my phone. To see these guys attempt these procedures on a 600 dollar phone without thoroughly understanding what they are doing simply amazes me. I will shut up now. Thanks for all you guys do to make my phone awesome! :thumbup:
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If u look at user's stats near their avatar, almost always the ones who are asking how to do this and that and how to "unscrew" up their phones are members that have less than 50 posts. I think they hear about XDA and come here thinking that everything posted is guaranteed or side effect free. These phones are like our bodies... you mess with one thing and it affects something else. I've been around since 08 and seen more and more rookies flashing firmware to their shiny new 600 dollar phones with no regret until after they screw it up. No disrespect to the newbies, but for goodness sake read up and read up and read up until u fully understand what u are doing. Us older members are here to help but we can't fix ignorance.
I gotta say, most of the time I agree that it's just common sense to not take an OTA if you are already rooted. At the same time, I was surprised by how much I didn't know when I started veering out of my "home base" forums.
I had an HTC Evo 4G and then a 4G LTE for 4 years combined, right up until this summer when I got the G3. At the same time, I got my wife off of her iPhone (came from a Hero) and into an S4. It took me a while to get up to speed with the G3, but at least that was a new community. I STILL don't know very much about the S4 - what ROMs are good/stable/updated regularly, what the different root/unlock procedures are, which methods do or don't mess with Knox (or even what that heck that is). I'm slowly learning, but I just don't spend as much time over there. I just wanted to get my wife's phone rooted so I could clear the bloat and get a few root apps running for her.
If you don't spend a lot of time learning the ropes, it can be hard coming in knowing a little bit about what you want (root or whatever) and then finding out that your OTA isn't rooted yet, or that there's trouble brewing between developers which is hampering development in some way, or whatever the case may be. Add to that the fact that there are really different "customs" in different phone forums, and the terminology is phone-specific at times, and new members are bound to get lost somewhere along the way.
I don't know what my point is, other than that I've never seen a community get stronger through flaming and ignoring new users' requests for help. At the very least, I'm a fan of polite replies, even if it's just to say "you're posting in the wrong forum - try the Q&A section / look for Sticky XYZ" or what have you. @engine95 is on the right track by putting up these sort of informational posts BEFORE problems arise. They'll still happen, but this can stem the tide.
kind of a stupid question I guess but I've been out of the loop for a couple years...
If I root and flash the rooted ZV6, will I have to reinstall all my apps? I used to use some sort of backup app but it was still tedious...
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kind of a stupid question I guess but I've been out of the loop for a couple years...
If I root and flash the rooted ZV6, will I have to reinstall all my apps? I used to use some sort of backup app but it was still tedious...
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No worries. The kernel and a lot of the apks are different in ZV6, so I would highly recommend starting from scratch.
If you restore anything from backup from ZV4, you'll probably end up with issues.
LG/Sprint has really done some very strange things with this update. They say to optimize, but I think it's more so we can't modify it as easily.
cardboardbox said:
kind of a stupid question I guess but I've been out of the loop for a couple years...
If I root and flash the rooted ZV6, will I have to reinstall all my apps? I used to use some sort of backup app but it was still tedious...
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I recommend doing a clean flash (wiping). It's a lot of work putting back all your apps and such, but it's worth it to have NO GLITCHES and everything working right.
engine95 said:
No worries. The kernel and a lot of the apks are different in ZV6, so I would highly recommend starting from scratch.
If you restore anything from backup from ZV4, you'll probably end up with issues.
LG/Sprint has really done some very strange things with this update. They say to optimize, but I think it's more so we can't modify it as easily.
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I recommend doing a clean flash (wiping). It's a lot of work putting back all your apps and such, but it's worth it to have NO GLITCHES and everything working right.
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thanks for the replies. Is updating to ZV6 a good idea or should I wait for Lollipop? Hate to redo all my apps for ZV6 and then have to do it again a month later.
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kind of a stupid question I guess but I've been out of the loop for a couple years...
If I root and flash the rooted ZV6, will I have to reinstall all my apps? I used to use some sort of backup app but it was still tedious...
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thanks for the replies. Is updating to ZV6 a good idea or should I wait for Lollipop? Hate to redo all my apps for ZV6 and then have to do it again a month later.
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If you're asking me, I say it's worth it. Everything works (to my knowledge) on this ROM. The new ROMS coming out (including lollipop 5.0) now for our LS990 have lots of glitches that need to be ironed out still. This ROM is the latest and has everything working and is awesome as a daily driver. It's going to be a while as the developers and testers get all the kinks out of the 5.0 ROM that is out now. Just my simple opinion. Also I love XPOSED and right now xposed only works on KITKAT and not LOLLIPOP (so far).
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If you're asking me, I say it's worth it. Everything works (to my knowledge) on this ROM. The new ROMS coming out (including lollipop 5.0) now for our LS990 have lots of glitches that need to be ironed out still. This ROM is the latest and has everything working and is awesome as a daily driver. It's going to be a while as the developers and testers get all the kinks out of the 5.0 ROM that is out now. Just my simple opinion. Also I love XPOSED and right now xposed only works on KITKAT and not LOLLIPOP (so far).
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thanks, I'll get to work on it sometime this weekend.
Yeah I read for a good week or two before stump, another week before bump, after a nandroid xposed and all it's glory, no issues I've been doing this for the last four years and still read and follow instructions very carefully and ask questions, I just read a thread where a recognized contributor needed help with a soft brick, I'm running his theme, I can't afford to afford another phone, I still consider my self a noob 7 smartphones in plus I don't have a computer right now. Question is there any stable 5.0 builds
I think it depends on how you define stable.
Stable as in not crashing all the time? Yes, I think so.
Stable as in all features working? I think not.
meyerweb said:
I think it depends on how you define stable.
Stable as in not crashing all the time? Yes, I think so.
Stable as in all features working? I think not.
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All features working
I'll wait for an official sprint build
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All features working
I'll wait for an official sprint build
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Me, too. Or at least until the AOSP-based ROMs get past the alpha & beta stages.
Dammit I wish I had read this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2916085
Terminal command in twrp no computer required if stuck in twrp loop just did it and was able to boot back up
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Prepare. Seems everyone has let that zv6 update sitting on their device get the best of them. Lol. Time to help. Thanks e95 I'll send them here. A few. Lol
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Thank you for this guide, restoring my device to re-obtain root wasn't difficult just very tedious! My fault though, I for some reason thought the OTA was a radio update. I worked 70 hours this last week so I wasn't thinking clearly lol.
Added an option to fix taking OTA.
Thanks to @mrj0087