Hello everyone,
I've been looking for recent benchmark tests over Android Kernels to choose the best one for me. I wonder a comparison specially between Siyah, Franco and Phenomenal. Actually I am open for kernel advises and recommendations.
Just to know I am looking for kernels which provides a nice handling processes for power safe but also a good performance when I need it...
Regards
SharpBang said:
Hello everyone,
I've been looking for recent benchmark tests over Android Kernels to choose the best one for me. I wonder a comparison specially between Siyah, Franco and Phenomenal. Actually I am open for kernel advises and recommendations.
Just to know I am looking for kernels which provides a nice handling processes for power safe but also a good performance when I need it...
Regards
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Test them and you will see, does take you 2 minutes to flash you a kernel though
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Test them and you will see, does take you 2 minutes to flash you a kernel though
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Sure I'll test them all.
I'd like to receive recommendations about people which already uses. I saw that most of people uses Siyah, like you, do you like it? What are your insights about Siyah?
For my phone and my environment it works well. For yours I do not know .
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Hello everybody, I'm opening the thread just to read opinions from you all about the kernels that are currently available.
The one I've been using is void #echo, which in my humble opinion with the combination of a tweaked deadline scheduler and a lionheart governor provides great performance, battery life and minimum lag whatsoever.
I do understand that it depends on needs which shall be used, however, I would like to know which one to you guys works smoother and provides better performance / battery life.
I always aim for performance over battery life (I didn't buy a SGSII to get poor performance )
In terms of battery life, I can get it up to 22~23 hours on battery, using WCDMA only / HSPA+ during day and enabling airplane mode during night.
Fast Dormancy disabled and deep sleep working correctly (XXKL1).
I don't like the complexity of siyah and to be good on batt you have to tweak it more with UV and thing like that ,wish is not my style to make trying/errors on my brand new 600$phone !
I tried speed mod wish is very great actually with great overall perform
void echo is the one Im trying right now ! since 2 days its feel very strong and good on battery with good performance on games without getting the phone very hot
neak is good but its more a copy/past of the overall coders over wish is good in one sense but its a bit laggy in game with lucrative mod but defenatly one of my favorite kernel out there ! Im waiting for 1.3 to let simone correct some bugs
Siyah is the tweakers' heaven. You can fine tune every last bit of your phone.
I personally love void, it feels very fast and has good battery life.
I tried NEAK for a short time and it seemed fine but quite many report lag in games(using on demand governor seems to fix it though).
Thanks for the feedback guys, I'm waiting for N.E.A.K 1.3x too
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Thanks for the feedback guys, I'm waiting for N.E.A.K 1.3x too
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as one of the posts above said siyah is the tweakers heaven..haha trust me i never used it before as i thought it was to complicated. but once you have done your reading and read other peoples posts and what they do to get the best out of the kernel you have a winner...all the rest look good i am not saying anything bad but for me from now on any rom i use siyah is coming with me due to the fact it has so many options to it and so much i can play around with i am in heaven
hope that helps...oh and on a side note i have been tempted to upgrade to a different rom but the current base i am using and with the kernel i have and the settings that i am using the only time i will actually jump ship is if one there is a stable cm9 out there by the amazing team hacksung. Two if Gokhanmoral does a siyah kernel for cm9 which i think will be when kernel sources are made available and three cause i have already my voodoo app all configured with my poweramp player to get the best sound possible i would be foolish to make the step at this moment of time...
So my advice for battery speedmod if you are not into tweaking alot with voltages and clock frequencies and if you want the best of both worlds then siyah
siyah 2.6.4.
Neo3000 said:
as one of the posts above said siyah is the tweakers heaven..haha trust me i never used it before as i thought it was to complicated. but once you have done your reading and read other peoples posts and what they do to get the best out of the kernel you have a winner...all the rest look good i am not saying anything bad but for me from now on any rom i use siyah is coming with me due to the fact it has so many options to it and so much i can play around with i am in heaven
hope that helps...oh and on a side note i have been tempted to upgrade to a different rom but the current base i am using and with the kernel i have and the settings that i am using the only time i will actually jump ship is if one there is a stable cm9 out there by the amazing team hacksung. Two if Gokhanmoral does a siyah kernel for cm9 which i think will be when kernel sources are made available and three cause i have already my voodoo app all configured with my poweramp player to get the best sound possible i would be foolish to make the step at this moment of time...
So my advice for battery speedmod if you are not into tweaking alot with voltages and clock frequencies and if you want the best of both worlds then siyah
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Great feedback bro, I tried Siyah in the past but honestly when I used it I didn't know there were parameters to tweak (didn't check the REF documentation LOL).
Do you get smoother behavior / better performance / higher benchmark scores tweaking the parameters? In quadrant I get around 4604 with void.echo.
as my "personal" opinion...
since i instaled V3RTR3MA.V.4.0 rom, i've been using void#echo
couldn't ask for more its fast and stable... nothing too complicated and i could get 8186 in the quadrant benchmark... a really great kernel...
void echo.By far best kernel for common user,who doesn't want to do all kind of tweaks&stuff.By default is great.If you are into a litle tweaking, you can OC and UV without any issues.
I used it since it was released.No issues at all, battery friendly, great performance.
Trully a KISS principle follower.
My personal advice to all,avoid all roms&kernels that are heavily customized and have alot of useless "tweakes" and scripts on them.The more things on it, more chances of breaking up.
Look for simple builds,as close as it can be to stock,eye candy is not performance.
Jkay makes great themes wich you can apply to the rom.
Phyxsyus said:
as my "personal" opinion...
since i instaled V3RTR3MA.V.4.0 rom, i've been using void#echo
couldn't ask for more its fast and stable... nothing too complicated and i could get 8186 in the quadrant benchmark... a really great kernel...
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WoW that sounds nice, if you turn off RAWR what's the score?
kimitza said:
Trully a KISS principle follower.
My personal advice to all,avoid all roms&kernels that are heavily customized and have alot of useless "tweakes" and scripts on them.The more things on it, more chances of breaking up.
100% agree most of the battery better and greater speed for these kernels is actually unproven and just advertising bumf .
I have used the kernels listed in the topic and in each case stock kernel has benchmarked better using multiple tests .
jje
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kimitza said:
void echo.By far best kernel for common user,who doesn't want to do all kind of tweaks&stuff.By default is great.If you are into a litle tweaking, you can OC and UV without any issues.
I used it since it was released.No issues at all, battery friendly, great performance.
Trully a KISS principle follower.
My personal advice to all,avoid all roms&kernels that are heavily customized and have alot of useless "tweakes" and scripts on them.The more things on it, more chances of breaking up.
Look for simple builds,as close as it can be to stock,eye candy is not performance.
Jkay makes great themes wich you can apply to the rom.
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I agree with your opinion, and that's the reason why I use only Sammy Stock ROMs
I've flashed a number of roms and kernels in the past few months since May, best combination for me is usually a near stock rom, plus a stable kernel like Speedmod, they just work without needing any tweaking apart from custom set up that's it.
I don't generally like the number of tweaks in some roms but each to their own.
I find stock fine and fluid and stable enough without much problems.
Yeah..i get 6500+ without rawr and oc to 1600.you forget one thing,ALL other kernels have tweaked I/O scheduler enabled. Knzo says very clear in his thread.it's a way to cheat,that's why this tweak is not default on his kernel.
About rom,look for odexed.tornado2 by brotuck is one of the best around(odexed,pretty much stock,only useless apps removed from it).combined with jkay theme and coid echo...my s2 flies
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kimitza said:
Yeah..i get 6500+ without rawr and oc to 1600.you forget one thing,ALL other kernels have tweaked I/O scheduler enabled. Knzo says very clear in his thread.it's a way to cheat,that's why this tweak is not default on his kernel.
About rom,look for odexed.tornado2 by brotuck is one of the best around(odexed,pretty much stock,only useless apps removed from it).combined with jkay theme and coid echo...my s2 flies
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Thanks for the suggestion dude! I'll take a look to it! Beside the removal of stock apps, what tweaks are included to achieve that score?
Best kernel so far for me is hardcore's speedmod.
Fast, first time I broke the 6000 barrier on Antutu benchmark without overclock. And great battery life, one full day + charging only by the end of day two, with normal use.
Normal use for me is making phone calls, surfing web and playing games sometimes, not more than 20min per "session". Turning wifi and 3g off when phone on standby. And switching to airplane mode overnight.
And yes I tried other kernels....
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Thanks for the suggestion dude! I'll take a look to it! Beside the removal of stock apps, what tweaks are included to achieve that score?
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None.i dont flash a rom for benchmark scores.i flash it for how it works.those benchmarks cand be tricked,but whats the point?what do you preffer?a rom&kernel with high results on tests,but moves like crap,laggy,fc's with high battery drain or a phone that is snappy,smooth,fast,great battery life and works properly?
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None.i dont flash a rom for benchmark scores.i flash it for how it works.those benchmarks cand be tricked,but whats the point?what do you preffer?a rom&kernel with high results on tests,but moves like crap,laggy,fc's with. high battery drain or a phone that is snappy,smooth,fast,great battery life and works properly?
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Don't get me wrong, I do prefer all that, I just wanted to know what things are changed in those roms to get that performance.
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I have been using void echo kernel these past few days. But I switched to Speedmode because of an issue. My phone gets very hot once I backup my nand on CWM. Also sometimes when I play games. Do you guys have this issue too?
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I have been using void echo kernel these past few days. But I switched to Speedmode because of an issue. My phone gets very hot once I backup my nand on CWM. Also sometimes when I play games. Do you guys have this issue too?
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= high CPU usage .
jje
This will likely be a controversial topic, but I'm going to risk it.
Also note that this is not meant to be a jab at kernel developers, or an attempt to lick CM developers' balls.
I have just been thinking. Custom kernels often claim an improvement in battery life or performance with their kernels. With Samsung ROMs, this is believable. The case of the fuel_alerted bug not being fixed with Samsung ROMs is an example that Samsung kernels aren't the best.
However, with Cyanogenmod ROMs you would think that the developers of CM would know best, since they *probably* work far more intimately with the code than custom kernel developers. Has anyone found an improvement in battery life with a custom kernel as compared to the stock CM kernel?
Now, I'm aware that custom kernels offer some features not found in the stock CM kernel, like how dual-booting is available for Siyah. But let's focus on battery life and performance for now.
Again, this is not meant to be a flaming thread. I genuinely wish for a conducive discussion on this topic. Lastly let me express my appreciation for both CM and Kernel developers, for devoting their own free time for our sakes.
Thanks!
I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for as an answer but a tweak i've used to give better battery performance is CPU FREQ_MIN. This is the frequency below which the 2nd core is not used. I don't believe you'd be able to use this tweak without a custom Kernel
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I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for as an answer but a tweak i've used to give better battery performance is CPU FREQ_MIN. This is the frequency below which the 2nd core is not used. I don't believe you'd be able to use this tweak without a custom Kernel
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It helps, thanks Personally I would prefer to try to quantify battery life with different kernels myself. Most phone review sites choose to test battery life by looping a video, however I do not believe this accurately measures battery life.
If anyone knows of an app that loops web browsing I will be happy to test it for myself.
I don't even care for extra 10 minutes battery life. If you want extra battery life don't use the phone. Lol.
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Alvin Lai said:
I don't even care for extra 10 minutes battery life. If you want extra battery life don't use the phone. Lol.
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But I bought the phone so that I can use it right?
I've received different recommendations from everybody I talked to, but I would like to know what custom kernel people love most right now. I'm running simple rooted version of 4.2.2 right now with the stock kernel. I'm looking for something to improve battery life a bit and get rid of the weird graphical hiccups that can take place when rapidly switching tasks.
Let's hear it. Thanks.
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I've received different recommendations from everybody I talked to, but I would like to know what custom kernel people love most right now. I'm running simple rooted version of 4.2.2 right now with the stock kernel.
Let's hear it. Thanks.
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I've been using Franco Kernel since the start and it's worked great. Definitely helps with thermal throttling issues.
lr4life said:
I've received different recommendations from everybody I talked to, but I would like to know what custom kernel people love most right now. I'm running simple rooted version of 4.2.2 right now with the stock kernel.
Let's hear it. Thanks.
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I'm using KTManta. Works pretty well and I can recommend.
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Ktmanta is definitely the best kernel on nexus 10, and other devices for that matter. Load it up with the ktweaker app, set it to ktoonservative and row, and :good:
Franco seems to have a cult following, but the kernel just isn't where Ktmanta is at by any means.
Using KTManta, and loving it. I've tried all the others and keep coming back to KTManta. Behind that I would go with Morfic's Trinity kernel.
Franco and Trinity are great kernels that give smooth performance and good battery. KTmanta is also a smooth kernel though and has far more options and tweaks than the other kernels. By default you wont see that much difference on it over the stock kernel though, since ktoonsez does not like to set too many settings different than what stock has for its defaults. But you can easily load up his free tweaking program, or run Trickster MOD, and set any options you want. The ktoonservative governor is by far the best governor for this tablet.
Definitely KTManta great overall performance
Trinity for life.
KTManta
SLP and ZEN for best benchmark score
Ktoonservative and ZEN for best user experience (Which is all that matters)
Trinity little more soft and not so heat producing like other kernels, little help for battery also ..
Ktmanta its too laggy sometimes and not so much help to the battery like most of here are screaming..
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There is no such thing as `the best' in the specific sense of the question.. They're free.. Go download them and try them yourself. Pick the one "you" feel is the best. Polling the forum isn't going to help you. You know what they say about opinions...
I like franco.Kernel. Can't say it's the best or not though since I really didn't do any in-depth testing.
Plenty kernel I try, at the end, I still back to custom ROM stock kernel.
franco - some issue and not stable.
KTManta - I still not sure why this is so famous, not the best in performance, even after use some people setting, it was better but not really great, and hang up sometimes especially when use certain I/O setting.
Trinity - Quite nice actually, not much to complain about it, but I don't see a need to use it.
By the way, I am happily running mrRobinson AOKP ROM with it own kernel.
I'm actually quite happy with KTManta, using the Zen scheduler and ktoonservative governor. Extremely smooth, lag free, with good battery.
... beamed from my Nexus 10 to your planet
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[*]KTManta - I still not sure why this is so famous, not the best in performance, even after use some people setting, it was better but not really great, and hang up sometimes especially when use certain I/O setting.
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Not sure how that happened. Using suggested settings this is the best performing kernel for me. If you're randomly messing with I/o settings yeah it can cause issues but I wouldn't suggest doing that unless you know what everything does KT + zen(minor tweaks) + ktoonservative + UV = battery and performance for me
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Andrewtst said:
Plenty kernel I try, at the end, I still back to custom ROM stock kernel.
franco - some issue and not stable.
KTManta - I still not sure why this is so famous, not the best in performance, even after use some people setting, it was better but not really great, and hang up sometimes especially when use certain I/O setting.
Trinity - Quite nice actually, not much to complain about it, but I don't see a need to use it.
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There have been a couple releases with issues for me on KTManta kernel, but a couple releases out of the 20 or so versions is not much. The issues are quickly fixed and a new version put out anyway so maybe you just happened to come in and try it on one of those releases. This kernel is so popular because it has the most active dev and the most options.
And why do you think the Franco kernel is not stable?
For what its worth, Im partial to Franco's r3 kernel--having tested the others. It improved my overall web browsing smoothness on 4.2.2 which is all I was looking for after moving from 4.2.1. As previously stated, what's "best" for me may not be "best" for others. Cheers!
Kernels much like silicon slabs are unique...each device will respond differently. Try em all...and pick your favorite.
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You know actually.....
They are all good, if you know what you are doing.
Trinity and Franco are the best if you just want to set and forget. KTmanta is the best if you want to tweak and have options to play with.
Is there any app available that can overclock this device. Thanks
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Is there any app available that can overclock this device. Thanks
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You can't overclock a phone through an app, but if the phone has a custom kernel that was designed especially for that app, then yes, you may overclock your device but unfortunately our device hasn't the support of any overclock apps such as Tegrak(Which is not only for Tegra) and Franko's Kernel, besides we barely got a custom kernel that is not good, so for the best performance i suggest you to use the stock rom as it's the most stable and it offers the best performance. Cheers !
Thanks for the reply. I was just kinda wondering since this phone already has a nice battery life, it would be cool if we can add performance by sacrificng some of its battery life
Hello everyone it is possible to benchmark roms to see which one is faster smoother etc.?
And now which one do you believe is the best ?
diecast said:
Hello everyone it is possible to benchmark roms to see which one is faster smoother etc.?
And now which one do you believe is the best ?
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Don't rely on benchmark. It's the day to day use that matters. There's a lot of good roms that you can check in the forums. Personally im using pixel experience 12L.
diecast said:
Hello everyone it is possible to benchmark roms to see which one is faster smoother etc.?
And now which one do you believe is the best ?
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At the end of the day, all the roms are based on same trees, so more or less theyre all the same. Some roms have a bit more optimized some components than others, but +- all the same.