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I have read a lot of threads similar to my problem, but not quite exact. I own a Samsung Galaxy S Fascinate SGH-T959D for 2+ years now. The problem only occured about a week ago.
Problems:
-Battery sometimes only charges up to around 85%
-When fully charged and unplugged, it instantly jumps anywhere between 80%-97% RARELY charging to 100%
-Battery drains to around 65% under an hour of usage.
-Battery dies somewhere between 40-65% without warning shutting it off. When I try to turn it back on, it only goes up to the logo screen and shuts back off. When I charge it, it charges starting around 50% or where percentage it died at.
-Battery only lasts 3 hours max with display on.
Things I tried:
-Restore to factory default
-uninstalled weather apps
-re calibrated
-Installed GSAM app to find out that no particular app is eating my battery life.
Cell Settings:
-Screen is at it's dimmest setting (no auto adjust)
-Not much background running apps.
-Wifi, and bluetooth off.
The battery doesn't drain quickly when it is sleeping (display off) when not in use.
Have you tried different roms to see if it could be an issue there? It sounds like it could simply be a bad battery, which honestly isn't the end of the world considering how cheap replacements are: http://www.amazon.com/Batteries-Captivate-EB575152VA-Anker-Multi-purpose/dp/B005HBGXR6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1359657962&sr=8-3&keywords=anker+samsung+fascinate+battery
Sorry, I don't know much or anything about roms. I am rooted, but that's all.
I have tried restoring mine to factory default, but when it started up again I was still rooted. Is there a way to Really restore my cell to factory default like it came out of the box without having to unroot the phone manually and then restoring to factory default?
It's not like my battery was slowly getting worse and worse battery life. The problem just occurred all of a sudden.
Just follow this guide here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238070
It has all the info you need to go back to stock, however I suggest going with one of the good 4.1 or 4.2 Jelly Bean roms that are available as they are much better than stock. I personally suggest either AOKP Milestone 1 or CM10 (latest nightly) which are based on 4.1 Jelly Bean, only because I feel all of the 4.2 roms aren't quite ready for prime time yet (although CM10.1 is supposedly really stable, but I haven't personally tried it yet).
Thanks for the help so far. What are the advantages of flashing roms? Does it by anyway increase battery life or make my phone function any faster?
I read a bit about it, but I am having trouble understanding some things. Could I flash any rom on to my cell, or only certain roms are compatible with my cell?
Well with the exception of CM (Cyanogen Mod) you can find the roms that will work with the Fascinate in the Developers forum here. Certain roms have different features that you may or may not want so it's not my place to tell you which one will be best, but it's very easy to flash different roms so you're best off downloading the most popular and giving them all a try. Also in answer to your question, you can't flash roms that are not meant for the Fascinate, like for example a rom meant for the Vibrant will NOT work on the Fascinate and will cause you major problems. Roms are labeled for what phones they work on though, so unless you're really not paying attention you shouldn't have a problem with that.
Flashing roms is the only way for you to get the latest versions of Android, as Verizon stopped supporting the Fascinate with the release of Gingerbread. Many people, including myself, consider Jelly Bean (latest Android) far superior to past versions of Android and would never go back. You have to realize though that all custom roms come with some risk, meaning that you may encounter bugs or have things not work 100% of the time. Usually this isn't a problem though, and overall the most popular roms are close to fully functional. If you are using your phone for a purpose that requires rock solid stability with almost no chance of errors, then you're still better off going with a good custom Gingerbread rom (I recommend this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1278838). If you're a normal user though, the latest Jelly Bean roms are probably going to be better for you overall. If you want to try a good Jelly Bean rom go with this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1847225 but just make sure to use the 4.1.2 google apps, NOT the 4.2.1 ones
Ok, so I am planning on flashing the Jelly Bean rom. What is a good way to flash a rom? Also, if I don't like the rom, is there a list of roms that are compatible with my device?
Yeah just follow section 4 of droidstyle's guide that I linked you and you'll be fine. Like I said, all of the available roms are found in the Developers forum with the exception of CM which can be found through a google search or going to rootzwiki.
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Yeah just follow section 4 of droidstyle's guide that I linked you and you'll be fine. Like I said, all of the available roms are found in the Developers forum with the exception of CM which can be found through a google search or going to rootzwiki.
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In that guide it said "Here is a guide I have put together for the Samsung SCH-I500 Fascinate." Will this also work for my model SGH T959D?
Nope,,, look here though
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho... FASCINATE] One Stop Shop (updated Sept 2012)
What do you guys think of the cyanogen rom as opposed to the jelly bean one?
Also is this a good way to install roms: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKy2AvKgB3c?
Disregarding stock ROM(s), the developer that has made the greatest contribution to enabling all of the current ROMs available for the fascinate is jt1134.
We are blessed that he still likes, develops for, and uses his fascinate... The CM10.1 nightlies are where his most recent efforts are made available to us - and he's fixed a major battery-draining bug within the last couple of weeks.
Why use anything else on this phone (other than JT's latest or something derived from it)?
I dispute the assertion made earlier on this thread that the current android v4.2 ROMs aren't ready for daily use. In over two years of keeping this old phone up to date, or on the bleeding edge if you look at it that way, I've never been more satisfied with performance or battery life.
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What do you guys think of the cyanogen rom as opposed to the jelly bean one?
Also is this a good way to install roms: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKy2AvKgB3c?
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Cyanogen v10.1 is built from the latest version of "Jelly bean" (Android v4.2.1). They add good things to the stock features of AOSP (Android Open Source Project).
Read the fascinate Dev forum over on rootzwiki. There are active threads on the cm10.1 ROM, including a fairly recent aosp ROM.
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Nope,,, look here though
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho... FASCINATE] One Stop Shop (updated Sept 2012)
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bmeek said:
Disregarding stock ROM(s), the developer that has made the greatest contribution to enabling all of the current ROMs available for the fascinate is jt1134.
We are blessed that he still likes, develops for, and uses his fascinate... The CM10.1 nightlies are where his most recent efforts are made available to us - and he's fixed a major battery-draining bug within the last couple of weeks.
Why use anything else on this phone (other than JT's latest or something derived from it)?
I dispute the assertion made earlier on this thread that the current android v4.2 ROMs aren't ready for daily use. In over two years of keeping this old phone up to date, or on the bleeding edge if you look at it that way, I've never been more satisfied with performance or battery life.
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Cyanogen v10.1 is built from the latest version of "Jelly bean" (Android v4.2.1). They add good things to the stock features of AOSP (Android Open Source Project).
Read the fascinate Dev forum over on rootzwiki. There are active threads on the cm10.1 ROM, including a fairly recent aosp ROM.
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I wholeheartedly agree with what you are saying about jt1134... but remember the OP's phone is a SGH-T959D and not our sch-i500
so in the thread i linked above read it all, then re-read and pay close attention to::
10. Installing ICS / JB - Depending on what OS you want to go to, you're going to need to grab an appropriate kernel to do so. The best option seems to be Semaphore's i9000 kernels. If you're going to flash an ICS rom, grab the 1.3.0s .tar file. If you're going to JB, grab the 2.1.0s .tar file.
11. Download your ROM of choice. i9000 versions of SlimICS/SlimBean/CM9/CM10 work on the T959D. You will also need grab the .zip version of the Semaphore kernel (ICS / JB) you're using and a Modem of your choosing. KG3 works best for me, your mileage may vary.
and this :::
... recommend either SLIM, TirmaSLIM, DarkyROM 11 or Andy Thomson's MIUI ROM at this point - all are pretty great ROMs and don't need the carrier hack.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1398223
A complete list of ICS ROMs for the I9000 can be found here (as well as kernels). Please note the update dates as that will indicate how much active support there is for the ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586084
:::: then here is their thread about jb and other ROMs
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1837223
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I recommend hellybelly 4.2.1 its ready for daily use YES its my daily driver for over 2 months and I haven't had one fc or error everything works ect.and I done checked its available for your device
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i am new to the Fascinate but i was just wondering-is there a battery low/charging notification light on this model? that orange green led that also flashes if you get an email or text message?
thanks in advance
tekweezle said:
i am new to the Fascinate but i was just wondering-is there a battery low/charging notification light on this model? that orange green led that also flashes if you get an email or text message?
thanks in advance
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The fascinate doesn't have a led notifiyer system instead custom ROMs flashes the soft key lights where you get a new message ect.
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thanks for the reply, seems like a quirky hardware omission by Samsung but if you all have no complaints about it, then I won;t worry too much about it. just thought it would be good to have some visual indication if your battery was charged or not after being connected to a wall socket without having to physically hit the power button. i can see that the bottom row of icons did light up for me when I got a message but I hope that doesn;t use too much more battery than a single LED.
As for 3500 mah batteries, I have a couple on order that hopefully will arrive soon for testing. under 10$ each in eBay.
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thanks for the reply, seems like a quirky hardware omission by Samsung but if you all have no complaints about it, then I won;t worry too much about it. just thought it would be good to have some visual indication if your battery was charged or not after being connected to a wall socket without having to physically hit the power button. i can see that the bottom row of icons did light up for me when I got a message but I hope that doesn;t use too much more battery than a single LED.
As for 3500 mah batteries, I have a couple on order that hopefully will arrive soon for testing. under 10$ each in eBay.
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Then soft keys probably use 10x less power than then LEDs lol yea honestly nobody have any complaints because we stay on our fassys so much we always know what the battery is lol
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Currently, I'm stock+root (as it seems none of the ROMs were super-solid, based on the various lengths of forums for each ROM).
I'm currently considering Infection 2.1, which looks great. I'm curious as to how fast and solid it performs, however. For instance, I have a stock Nexus 7 with JB (obviously) and it's the smoothest greatest Android device I've had to date. With JB on the Rezound, are we seeing the benefits of Project butter?
Are voice calls, SMS, battery life, 4G, bluetooth audio, GPS, etc all solid? It can be so hard to look at the first few pages of a ROM where everyone is excited, followed by 234 pages (like Infection) of people posting questions and problems. Even worse, a ROM like Infection has been out so long that it's hard to tell what issues people currently have vs what they had 2 months ago.
Im in it now and so far no problems, project butter is def noticable
Well I'm running Infection 2.1 and it's fast and very smooth. I'm running it with IHateWebOS' deluxe+ kernel OC 1.8 with noop scheduler.
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Well I'm running Infection 2.1 and it's fast and very smooth. I'm running it with IHateWebOS' deluxe+ kernel OC 1.8 with noop scheduler.
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is gaming choppy?
ive noticed most of the 10/10.1 roms are choppy on the gaming side
i would like to test but i dont see the point in flashing the newest update just to find out when i can just ask :silly:
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is gaming choppy?
ive noticed most of the 10/10.1 roms are choppy on the gaming side
i would like to test but i dont see the point in flashing the newest update just to find out when i can just ask :silly:
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When i was running Infection 2.0 it was pretty choppy, but since i switched to the latest PAC-MAN rom by shrike and it's pretty smooth. Might have been the transition to 4.2.2.
Project butter isn't enabled for us on the Rezound, from what I've gathered there's a lot of coding that needs to be done to the jelly bean base to get it to work on our device properly. The smoothness comes from all the tweaks and enhancements the Rom devs have put Into the world Roms. I can't wait to see how smooth this phone will be once project butter is actually working
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Having experienced Project Butter firsthand, I can say in no uncertain terms that this isn't Project Butter. However, the interface is quite smooth given the right CPU governor. As mentioned, games performance is where things lag. We don't have hardware accelerated video, so anything 3D or HD is going to suffer.
.... Oh well its smooth and that's what counts right? Ha
I've tried every JB rom and the infectious 2 was the best to date.. but I always go back to the desensed Neo 2 for the battery life and I prefer the camera over JB as well.
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DogzOfWar said:
Currently, I'm stock+root (as it seems none of the ROMs were super-solid, based on the various lengths of forums for each ROM).
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Not quite sure what this means...JB for the Rezound hasn't been out THAT long as it took Chad, Neo, Shrike, et al quite a long time to get things somewhat stable. So I wouldn't go by length of thread to judge a usable/stable ROM, or maybe I just misundestand.
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I'm currently considering Infection 2.1, which looks great. I'm curious as to how fast and solid it performs, however. For instance, I have a stock Nexus 7 with JB (obviously) and it's the smoothest greatest Android device I've had to date. With JB on the Rezound, are we seeing the benefits of Project butter?
Are voice calls, SMS, battery life, 4G, bluetooth audio, GPS, etc all solid? It can be so hard to look at the first few pages of a ROM where everyone is excited, followed by 234 pages (like Infection) of people posting questions and problems. Even worse, a ROM like Infection has been out so long that it's hard to tell what issues people currently have vs what they had 2 months ago.
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The above being said, I too have a Nexus 7 and am running mlaws Dirty AOKP on it. I just left Infection rom on my Rez and it is nowhere near as smooth an experience as on the N7 (no offense Neo, I know you work hard on all your roms).
I went back to hawk's eclipticrez rom for a couple of main reasons:
1. Signal strength is better on sense roms ON MY PHONE ( I have to say it that way because others will disagree heartily, I'm sure).
2. Video is less than perfect on the JB roms for rez.
3. Battery for me seems to be better (20-30%) on hawk's rom...haven't done a real test, just have ran both over several days usually doing the same stuff and I seem to need a charge faster on Infection.
Based on what has been accomplished and what HTC has released, it is a miracle we have JB, but there are still issues with it IMO. ABSOLUTELY nothing against the devs that are pouring their heart and soul into their respective projects, my hat's off to them all!
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Are voice calls, SMS, battery life, 4G, bluetooth audio, GPS, etc all solid? It can be so hard to look at the first few pages of a ROM where everyone is excited, followed by 234 pages (like Infection) of people posting questions and problems. Even worse, a ROM like Infection has been out so long that it's hard to tell what issues people currently have vs what they had 2 months ago.
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I think if you really took the time to read through the threads you're talking about, you'd find that there are very few major bugs that haven't been solved. I'm running Infection right now, and all the functions I use on a regular basis are working just fine; SMS, calling, 3G/4G/Wifi I can vouch for, and Wifi Tethering & GPS are working from what I've tested.
As for the threads, like I said. You really should take the time to read through everything. Infection's thread has loads of fluff and miscellaneous conversations with it, and a lot of the issues you may have seen have either been resolved or were just people who were unsure about how to do something. There are very few major stability issues, that I've experienced.
As for the overall usability and smoothness, it's very good. Shrike is right, it's certainly not Project Butter. But it isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination. Underclocking and undervolting can introduce lag, but only in extreme cases. Battery life will depend on the ROM, kernel, and individual settings in question, but there are a few generalities that can be made... such as the Noop scheduler, DanceDance/Wheatley governers, etc.
Hope this helps.
Edit: I rarely use the camera for photos or videos, and I simply don't have an interest in playing a game on my phone. So I can't give any insights on those aspects, sorry.
I'm running Infection right now and this is my first step into JB for the Rezound and I'm really impressed with what I've seen so far. I'm not one to jump on the latest and greatest (hell, I was on a GB ROM 6 months ago for fear of moving to an unstable ICS), but what Neo has put together has really out-shined the competition.
With that being said, it's nowhere near perfect. All the basic things that you need a phone to do (talk, text, 3g/4g, wifi, etc) all work efficiently and effectively. However, and this could just be me, but when you're playing around within your phone, such as moving icons around while searching for things online and looking up directions in Maps, things will start "unfortunately stopping" on your phone, and Apex is almost always the first to go. On the bright side, the apps that crash immediately start working again, so it's not as detrimental as it seems.
The only time I've had an out and out failure on the phone was when I was in mid conversation the phone completely went blank. It responded to nothing. It was black screen, no lights, nothing. I had to pull the battery to reboot.
So, as it is within the modding community, everything comes with a certain amount of assumed risk. The closer you are to the bleeding edge, the more likely you are to get cut. (God, that was a terrible ending...)
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I'm running Infection right now and this is my first step into JB for the Rezound and I'm really impressed with what I've seen so far. I'm not one to jump on the latest and greatest (hell, I was on a GB ROM 6 months ago for fear of moving to an unstable ICS), but what Neo has put together has really out-shined the competition.
With that being said, it's nowhere near perfect. All the basic things that you need a phone to do (talk, text, 3g/4g, wifi, etc) all work efficiently and effectively. However, and this could just be me, but when you're playing around within your phone, such as moving icons around while searching for things online and looking up directions in Maps, things will start "unfortunately stopping" on your phone, and Apex is almost always the first to go. On the bright side, the apps that crash immediately start working again, so it's not as detrimental as it seems.
The only time I've had an out and out failure on the phone was when I was in mid conversation the phone completely went blank. It responded to nothing. It was black screen, no lights, nothing. I had to pull the battery to reboot.
So, as it is within the modding community, everything comes with a certain amount of assumed risk. The closer you are to the bleeding edge, the more likely you are to get cut. (God, that was a terrible ending...)
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Thanks everyone in this thread for the thoughtful, detailed responses. Personally I've learned a lot more here than reading through some of the ROM threads.
As a conclusion, I'm going to avoid the JB roms. I do waste a lot of my life playing games and watching video, so it sounds like it's best to avoid the JB ROMs. Plus this is my phone for work, and I take lots of annoying pictures of my kids. Sounds like the JB roms aren't quite stable enough in that regards.
What do people think about the non-JB/Cyanogen/AOKP ROMs? I guess those are optimized versions of base HTC ROMs? Do those perform better?
Again, thanks to everyone for their responses.
tell me a jb rom that has video working properly(tearing) and the camcorder working and im all over it. as having a 3yr old i need both.
DogzOfWar said:
Thanks everyone in this thread for the thoughtful, detailed responses. Personally I've learned a lot more here than reading through some of the ROM threads.
As a conclusion, I'm going to avoid the JB roms. I do waste a lot of my life playing games and watching video, so it sounds like it's best to avoid the JB ROMs. Plus this is my phone for work, and I take lots of annoying pictures of my kids. Sounds like the JB roms aren't quite stable enough in that regards.
What do people think about the non-JB/Cyanogen/AOKP ROMs? I guess those are optimized versions of base HTC ROMs? Do those perform better?
Again, thanks to everyone for their responses.
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ICS AOSP/CM/AOKP ROMs work well save for BT audio. Sense ROMs are still better tho...
I haven't seen this mention much, but how is the battery life vs Sense 3.6/4 roms?
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ICS AOSP/CM/AOKP ROMs work well save for BT audio. Sense ROMs are still better tho...
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BT audio should be fine on the latest ones. Granted, I haven't listened to music on them for more than a test, but calling and A2DP both work on 4.2.2.
How is the performance of google now? And again is battery life better than sense roms?
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Thanks everyone in this thread for the thoughtful, detailed responses. Personally I've learned a lot more here than reading through some of the ROM threads.
As a conclusion, I'm going to avoid the JB roms. I do waste a lot of my life playing games and watching video, so it sounds like it's best to avoid the JB ROMs. Plus this is my phone for work, and I take lots of annoying pictures of my kids. Sounds like the JB roms aren't quite stable enough in that regards.
What do people think about the non-JB/Cyanogen/AOKP ROMs? I guess those are optimized versions of base HTC ROMs? Do those perform better?
Again, thanks to everyone for their responses.
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If you don't want to go to jellybean yet (personally, I find the expanded notifications a killer feature since it previews email subjects and even opening lines)
Then try the simplistic rom by neo. It's an unbloated version of the stock global, sense 3.6 OTA rom and will at least be a little less memory hogging than the stock rom.
If you don't need Bluetooth calling, neo's rage 1.9.5 gets you a very stable, fast version of ICS (with no sense bloat), no video tearing and working camcorder.
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I'm considering putting a ROM on a friend's device that is not familiar with any sort of troubleshooting but is a reasonable upgrade over stock. If that's not possible I'm fine with that. No bugs preferred. Features aren't that important but the phone lags a lot stock so a speed boost would be nice.
Thanks!
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I'm considering putting a ROM on a friend's device that is not familiar with any sort of troubleshooting but is a reasonable upgrade over stock. If that's not possible I'm fine with that. No bugs preferred. Features aren't that important but the phone lags a lot stock so a speed boost would be nice.
Thanks!
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I typically refrain from "advertising" (even in my own thread - hah) since there are many many fine works to choose from out here crafted by a lot of very dedicated and amazing developers, but in this case I think I'll break my rule and see if my ROM would fit your needs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2088224
My ROM is pretty basic, it tries to mimick the AOSP/Galaxy Nexus as best as possible for the Fascinate, with only a few customizations. I can't say it's 100% bug free, that would be silly (lol), but the latest version (GeeWiz 4.4 + 2 patches) is very solid/stable in my opinion. I think it's a good fit here since it can be applied as a direct stock replacement using ODIN and doesn't change anything that would cause problems going back to stock again if it's not what your friend was expecting.
I'm not sure the "speed" will impress, but it does pretty well considering it's Jelly Bean 4.2 running on a device that came with Eclair :silly: There are some built-in optimizations you can enable like overclocking the CPU to 1.2GHz that help smooth it out, and I've done a lot of work on the kernel to ensure as little wasted CPU % as possible. Battery life will also be less impressive than your friend is used to on stock, but again I think it's pretty darn good given that we are well beyond what the Fascinate was designed for at this point!
If you want a mildly enhanced Gingerbread experience, you can also try my GeeWiz v2.9.2 here at XDA. It's retired and I no longer actively work on it, but it still gets THOUSANDS of downloads every month (admittedly mostly from China and parts of Africa, I've chosen to not try to understand why - lol).
I don't want to drone on, but I want to add something else ... ANY of the ROMs out here should blow your friend's mind! I only recommend my own because it sounds like a good fit for your needs and could be an easier sell for you since it strives for a stock-like experience. Every dev out here is friendly and will help you if you run into problems, so perhaps the best way to go is peruse the selection in the development thread and see what you think! There are really no "bad" choices to be made here.
I'm impressed how helpful you are. How much difference in battery life are we talking here? I put a jellybean rom on my galaxy tab 7 and it lasts for a month easy on standby, so I know it can vary greatly with custom ROMs.
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I typically refrain from "advertising" (even in my own thread - hah) since there are many many fine works to choose from out here crafted by a lot of very dedicated and amazing developers, but in this case I think I'll break my rule and see if my ROM would fit your needs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2088224
My ROM is pretty basic, it tries to mimick the AOSP/Galaxy Nexus as best as possible for the Fascinate, with only a few customizations. I can't say it's 100% bug free, that would be silly (lol), but the latest version (GeeWiz 4.4 + 2 patches) is very solid/stable in my opinion. I think it's a good fit here since it can be applied as a direct stock replacement using ODIN and doesn't change anything that would cause problems going back to stock again if it's not what your friend was expecting.
I'm not sure the "speed" will impress, but it does pretty well considering it's Jelly Bean 4.2 running on a device that came with Eclair :silly: There are some built-in optimizations you can enable like overclocking the CPU to 1.2GHz that help smooth it out, and I've done a lot of work on the kernel to ensure as little wasted CPU % as possible. Battery life will also be less impressive than your friend is used to on stock, but again I think it's pretty darn good given that we are well beyond what the Fascinate was designed for at this point!
If you want a mildly enhanced Gingerbread experience, you can also try my GeeWiz v2.9.2 here at XDA. It's retired and I no longer actively work on it, but it still gets THOUSANDS of downloads every month (admittedly mostly from China and parts of Africa, I've chosen to not try to understand why - lol).
I don't want to drone on, but I want to add something else ... ANY of the ROMs out here should blow your friend's mind! I only recommend my own because it sounds like a good fit for your needs and could be an easier sell for you since it strives for a stock-like experience. Every dev out here is friendly and will help you if you run into problems, so perhaps the best way to go is peruse the selection in the development thread and see what you think! There are really no "bad" choices to be made here.
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I'm impressed how helpful you are. How much difference in battery life are we talking here? I put a jellybean rom on my galaxy tab 7 and it lasts for a month easy on standby, so I know it can vary greatly with custom ROMs.
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Ugh, that's always a tough one to answer Maybe 10%-15%? It's really hard to say since it depends on how the device is used. Some stuff like active Bluetooth definitely takes more juice, whereas Wifi takes less. The screen takes more since JB requires the kernel to maintain a VSYNC (Vertical Sync) signal and it will enable the accelerometer device whenever the screen is on for auto-rotation support (if you turn off auto-rotate it's smart enough to disable the accelerometer). Pretty much anything you actively do with the device will require more battery than it did, there's lots more code in JB, fancier graphics to animate, etc.
There is also one application, Google Play Music, that I have listed as a "Known Issue" when it comes to battery life. For some reason/bug in it's album art downloader, it can get itself stuck in a loop and trash the battery in a matter of hours. I tracked it down to the mentioned album art service when an external SD card is installed, and told Google, but that's all I could do for that. I recommend disabling Google Play Music and replacing it with a better music player!
I wish I had a more concrete answer for this one, but "it depends" is about as good as I can do. If your friend is getting well more than a day out of the phone now, he should probably be OK if charging every night is acceptable. If he's already battery-challenged, I think it may be a frustrating experience for him.
For what it's worth, here are the most two recent battery life screenshots I have. Note: These are with a brand new battery ($14 - amazon) and really only show standby with Wifi ON times, which is what I was testing. Basically indicative of the absolute maximum battery life possible, not real world usage.
Hope this was enough to help with your decision!
Geewiz is probably the most stable by far great battery life and as you can see great developer
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There are so many recommended ROMs now, it almost seems like too many choices. (It's a good "problem". I'm not complaining.) I tend to find one based on reviews and recommendations and stick with it, rather than flashing through a bunch. I've been using MIUI from GB to JB, but sadly development seems to have ceased.
I had been eyeing Stephen.k.spear's AOKP PUB as a replacement, but development seems to have ceased there as well. Looks like the torch was picked up by bbrad's AOKP, but browsing that thread opened the floodgates to other ROMs such as Liquidsmooth, Carbonrom, SuperNexus, etc, etc, etc, as well as Geewiz mentioned here. Can anyone provide an overview comparison (stability, features, other pros/cons...) between some of these ROMs? (What exactly is the difference in stability of "by far"?)
Also, at some point around ICS, there was a change in file system and/or structure that allowed MIUI to hold a lot more apps than previously. (I think it had to do with MTD, but not 100% sure.) Can I assume most ROM's have this expanded capability now? Does Geewiz have it? I noticed it uses a different file system. Thank you.
I am one of those people who really likes a stable rom and I would really recommend you try Helly Bean. It's been by far the most stable and feature packed rom I've ever used. I'm not trashing any of the other roms we have, but I've tried almost all of them and I always come back to Helly Bean.
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I am one of those people who really likes a stable rom and I would really recommend you try Helly Bean. It's been by far the most stable and feature packed rom I've ever used. I'm not trashing any of the other roms we have, but I've tried almost all of them and I always come back to Helly Bean.
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Unfortunately I can't ask in the ROM thread, so I'll ask here... Which version of gapps do I flash for Helly Bean? The thread points to 20121130, but there seems to be a more recent version 20130301 at goo.im. Also, droidstyle's guide mentions inverted gapps. Does that work with Helly Bean? If so, are they flashed after the regular gapps, or instead of them? Thanks so much.
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Unfortunately I can't ask in the ROM thread, so I'll ask here... Which version of gapps do I flash for Helly Bean? The thread points to 20121130, but there seems to be a more recent version 20130301 at goo.im. Also, droidstyle's guide mentions inverted gapps. Does that work with Helly Bean? If so, are they flashed after the regular gapps, or instead of them? Thanks so much.
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Flash the ones from goo.im and as for the inverted you just flash them like regular gapps
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I haven't flashed in well over a year, and I'm still running one of the first stable ICS builds. That has to change.
Can anyone recommend a good JB-based ROM for me? My priorities are stability, battery life and features, in roughly that order.
I'm thinking of trying BeanStalk 4.3.05 or ParanoidKANGDroid 2.3.3, but am definitely open to other suggestions
Thanks!
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I haven't flashed in well over a year, and I'm still running one of the first stable ICS builds. That has to change.
Can anyone recommend a good JB-based ROM for me? My priorities are stability, battery life and features, in roughly that order.
I'm thinking of trying BeanStalk 4.3.05 or ParanoidKANGDroid 2.3.3, but am definitely open to other suggestions
Thanks!
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I recommend PACMan Rom 4.2.2. Highly stable, very few problems for my Note
phnord said:
I haven't flashed in well over a year, and I'm still running one of the first stable ICS builds. That has to change.
Can anyone recommend a good JB-based ROM for me? My priorities are stability, battery life and features, in roughly that order.
I'm thinking of trying BeanStalk 4.3.05 or ParanoidKANGDroid 2.3.3, but am definitely open to other suggestions
Thanks!
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so many people ask this same question and anyone with real experience here is going to tell you..................
every ROM is going to act differently on every phone. it also depends on what kind of user you are.
common rule here (im not being a jerk,you should know this) is read, read, read.
to show you how often someone asks this very question, go back out one screen and down about 5 threads "looking for an excellent ROM"
I have posted my honest opinions and what you can expect from all available firmwares.
good luck my friend
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every ROM is going to act differently on every phone. it also depends on what kind of user you are.
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This is why I am trying to describe what kind of user I am. To reiterate, my priorities are stability, battery life, functionality and speed, roughly in that order.
To elaborate, I want:
Something that will run smoothly
Something who's battery will last for a day if I use it with moderation
Something that, while not necessarily on the bleeding edge of development, has lots of new features
Something with a smooth UI and good, modern capabilities
In terms of specific features that I'd like to try or find necessary, I want a ROM that supports the Jelly Bean panoramic picture mode; one that supports Wifi Hotspots; one with a good toggle menu for preserving battery and turning on / off common features, flash, etc.; and one that has a variety of other useful things to explore / try out. Maybe something with good audio capabilities?
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This is why I am trying to describe what kind of user I am. To reiterate, my priorities are stability, battery life, functionality and speed, roughly in that order.
To elaborate, I want:
Something that will run smoothly
Something who's battery will last for a day if I use it with moderation
Something that, while not necessarily on the bleeding edge of development, has lots of new features
Something with a smooth UI and good, modern capabilities
In terms of specific features that I'd like to try or find necessary, I want a ROM that supports the Jelly Bean panoramic picture mode; one that supports Wifi Hotspots; one with a good toggle menu for preserving battery and turning on / off common features, flash, etc.; and one that has a variety of other useful things to explore / try out. Maybe something with good audio capabilities?
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again, if you haven't, read the other post.
from the sounds of it, you may want to go with 4.1.2. it is based off of Touchwiz. SUPER solid and great support from the community. not many updates. it is so solid, it does not need them. but others are still there for support.
personal choice.......PADAWAN........others have had some issues with lag (biggest complaint) and I refer them ( an I have the most thanks on thread) to p.355-378. read through those pages. obviously others have not figured it out cause they don't read. those setting had my phone running better than it ever ran, even out of box.
the only way you will know is to try for yourself. but it is lie Trident gum.............4 out of 5 dentist surveyed.........
as always, good luck in your hunt
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from the sounds of it, you may want to go with 4.1.2. it is based off of Touchwiz. SUPER solid and great support from the community. not many updates. it is so solid, it does not need them. but others are still there for support.
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I want to make sure that I understand this correctly. The latest update pushed out by SAMSUNG for the i717 was 4.1.2, so therefore the roms built off of 4.1 are using SAMSUNG TouchWiz as a base. The one's built off of 4.2 are using some other base, be it AOKP, CM, etc. Is this correct?
I'm not so certain that I want to go to a 4.1 ROM. Looking over the feature-set of Google's 4.2, I'm seeing quite a bit that I want - for instance, I *really* want Photo Sphere.
I think that if there's a stable version of 4.3 that isn't a battery hog, and that has a decent extended feature-set on-top of it, then that's what I want. That said, if 4.3 is very unstable I'm up for trying 4.2. The only way I'd want 4.1 is if there is no 4.2 or above that is good with battery usage and more-or-less stable.
So, any recommendations with that in mind?
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I want to make sure that I understand this correctly. The latest update pushed out by SAMSUNG for the i717 was 4.1.2, so therefore the roms built off of 4.1 are using SAMSUNG TouchWiz as a base. The one's built off of 4.2 are using some other base, be it AOKP, CM, etc. Is this correct?
I'm not so certain that I want to go to a 4.1 ROM. Looking over the feature-set of Google's 4.2, I'm seeing quite a bit that I want - for instance, I *really* want Photo Sphere.
I think that if there's a stable version of 4.3 that isn't a battery hog, and that has a decent extended feature-set on-top of it, then that's what I want. That said, if 4.3 is very unstable I'm up for trying 4.2. The only way I'd want 4.1 is if there is no 4.2 or above that is good with battery usage and more-or-less stable.
So, any recommendations with that in mind?
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first part..................correct.
that is the good thing about 4.2, highly customizable, but you sacrifice stability. lots of updates, but I am afraid that is because there is mainly one thing that is trying t be fixed, RANDOM REBOOTS. some have success controlling them with an alternate KERNAL which provides the ability to OC/UV, but it can be a constant maintinence on your part. honestly, there is never a good time for a reboot. 4.2 is a much bigger battery hog and a reboot is only going to suck more of it.
second part.................. that's what APK's are for. if it is one simple app ( for whatever personal reason) someone is stuck on, any times you can install it that way. just download it through browser on phone and install with file manager of choice.
third part.................. not that 4.3 is more unstable or battery hog. (I have better battery on 4.3) not necessarily unstable. I just think it is still very early in the game and trying to get some kinks worked out. 4.1.2 was the same way. everybody is impatient, just the nature of the beast. give the amazing and talented developers time. I find 4.3 very smoooooooth, but I have been getting bootloops and I am thinking it is most likely my APP2ZIPP file (which has my apps) I am flashing. so I don't have to keep installing all my same apps one at a time. don't think it is working with 4.3 transition.
the rest is up to you my friend. its all about what YOU want and what you are willing to tolerate as far as constant maintinence.
oh and by the way I am NOT running PADAWAN right now...........its been to solid. I was getting bored. I am addicted to flashing maybe. I ran it for months, flawlessly. since coming off, the longest I have been on any ROM is MAYBE 3 days before changing whether it be the reboots, battery or bootloop issues.
I am not bored though, it definitely give me troubleshooting experience and enables me to help others which I am enjoying
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first part..................correct.
that is the good thing about 4.2, highly customizable, but you sacrifice stability. lots of updates, but I am afraid that is because there is mainly one thing that is trying t be fixed, RANDOM REBOOTS. some have success controlling them with an alternate KERNAL which provides the ability to OC/UV, but it can be a constant maintinence on your part. honestly, there is never a good time for a reboot. 4.2 is a much bigger battery hog and a reboot is only going to suck more of it.
second part.................. that's what APK's are for. if it is one simple app ( for whatever personal reason) someone is stuck on, any times you can install it that way. just download it through browser on phone and install with file manager of choice.
third part.................. not that 4.3 is more unstable or battery hog. (I have better battery on 4.3) not necessarily unstable. I just think it is still very early in the game and trying to get some kinks worked out. 4.1.2 was the same way. everybody is impatient, just the nature of the beast. give the amazing and talented developers time. I find 4.3 very smoooooooth, but I have been getting bootloops and I am thinking it is most likely my APP2ZIPP file (which has my apps) I am flashing. so I don't have to keep installing all my same apps one at a time. don't think it is working with 4.3 transition.
the rest is up to you my friend. its all about what YOU want and what you are willing to tolerate as far as constant maintinence.
oh and by the way I am NOT running PADAWAN right now...........its been to solid. I was getting bored. I am addicted to flashing maybe. I ran it for months, flawlessly. since coming off, the longest I have been on any ROM is MAYBE 3 days before changing whether it be the reboots, battery or bootloop issues.
I am not bored though, it definitely give me troubleshooting experience and enables me to help others which I am enjoying
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Do all of the 4.2 ROMs suffer random reboots? I see you mention that an alternate kernel may help, but are there any ROMs that have either incorporated in said kernel or that have found another fix of some kind for stability?
Also, with 4.3: are the random reboots an issue there as well? What kinds of kinks are current issues?
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Do all of the 4.2 ROMs suffer random reboots? I see you mention that an alternate kernel may help, but are there any ROMs that have either incorporated in said kernel or that have found another fix of some kind for stability?
Also, with 4.3: are the random reboots an issue there as well? What kinds of kinks are current issues?
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On 4.2 they have option to OC/UV with stock kernels. It can just be a constant adjustment in those values to minimalize the reboots. With 4.3 I guess you can say I had reboots, my problem was the reboot would never complete and would just bootloop.
I am just being patient and giving it some time. I know many are working on it cause there is so little action in development thread. Many impatient members have driven developers away by constant pestering. I think many have learned that lesson. That why it is so quiet.
Trust me, it is the calm before the storm
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Hmmm... what 4.3 were you using that gave you boot-loops? I'm thinking of trying PAC-Man, and I'm debating between the 4.2.2 and the 4.3 - as it seems that the latter is fairly stable from what I've surmised.
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Hmmm... what 4.3 were you using that gave you boot-loops? I'm thinking of trying PAC-Man, and I'm debating between the 4.2.2 and the 4.3 - as it seems that the latter is fairly stable from what I've surmised.
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anything 4.3 was doing it. again I am thinking it may have been my APP2ZIPP file.
here is a tip as to what I do when contemplating new ROM...............
obviously I am looking at original OP post for features to what I want. then I go to last page of thread and read backwards. this gives me the most recent problem ROM is having and hint as to whether there is a fix. if it is something I can deal with, then I go for it. if its too much hassle, then I don't.
I thought I was the only one... I I do the exact same thing capt.
2$HAYNE
Now my eyes hurt
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Now my eyes hurt
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are you welling up or did you get something in your eye dancing in the barn?
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are you welling up or did you get something in your eye dancing in the barn?
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All your words hurt them..your very chatty today lol.
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Bubbajoe40356 said:
All your words hurt them..your very chatty today lol.
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im sorry big guy, just trying to help
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im sorry big guy, just trying to help
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I know ..and you are. Keep up the good work. :beer:
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I know ..and you are. Keep up the good work.
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Indeed
Since you, captemo try a lot of ROMs, which 4.2.2 ROM, that you have tried, has lasted the longest without a reboot (how many days)?
Carbon 1.8 was the longest for me thus far, 4 days but after that it went into a reboot frenzy and would reboot 2-3 times a day. Now I'm on CM 10.1 8/23 nightly and it has lasted 2.5 days before reboot. Let's see if it will last longer than that.
Since it's become clear to me that the main issue here is finding something both modern and stable, I've started a different thread that makes that clear in the title. It can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2425090
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Since you, captemo try a lot of ROMs, which 4.2.2 ROM, that you have tried, has lasted the longest without a reboot (how many days)?
Carbon 1.8 was the longest for me thus far, 4 days but after that it went into a reboot frenzy and would reboot 2-3 times a day. Now I'm on CM 10.1 8/23 nightly and it has lasted 2.5 days before reboot. Let's see if it will last longer than that.
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again, everybody's phone is different. I am not sure why, but my phone cant run CARBON, any version. which kind of bums be out cause of all the options available. many of the 4.2's would do exactly that for me, I get a couple of days out of them, then reboots galore. Carbon, (4.2, 4.3, alternate kernels) is just a no go for me. it's like my phone has an allergy.
it was always suggested to me to try stock KERNEL and let it settle for couple days and hell if I had to flash something, might as well flash a new ROM. then I ran out of ROM's. that's when I started trying KERNELS.
most recently, I have had success with BLOWNFUZE's AOKP and compatible UBER (I think it in OP) and also ROOTBOX w/ UBER. ROOTBOX has some pretty cool features. different sounds and statusbar changing colors in different menus. pretty neat. AOKP, just a bit more stable maybe. I am not sure I had the OC/UV settings dialed in just right though. battery wasn't quite lasting me. want to go back and tweak those some more.
in the meantime, and I don't know why I haven't tried in the past, I have been running SONS of ANDROID. 6 days, stock kernel, NO REBOOTS
in between, I am trying to keep my eyes open for some breakthrough's on 4.3. of course I am also trying work out my options for getting the MEGA 6.3.
again, good luck, read, and remember all phones are just a smidge different. that's smidge can be ALL the difference
With Xposed and debloat I am able to get the look&feel i want and performance is pretty stellar (multiple days on standard battery when i'm not using it much). I've SafeStrap'd HyperDrive and it just seems like i'm missing something...
So my question, what does HyperDrive offer over a stock/rooted/debloated from a usability/functionality perspective? There has to be stuff i'm missing, but i'm clearly missing it. Back in the S3 days, I was avid for LiquidSmooth as it had the craziest button customization i've ever seen (still true, wtb remapping hardware keys on lockscreen to tasker-like action lists )... with the Droid X is was Liberty for the crazy battery life and obvious speed/response improvements... what is it here?
(Please note that i'm being genuine here. I have incredible respect for all the work ROM developers do (and have proven it with donations...) and I am in no means questioning the work of the HyperDrive development team.)
Scott has added all kinds of customizations/tweaks/enhancements to the ROM. Lots of stuff from the Note 3 as well. Read the 1st post in the main thread to see what has been done.
My battery life is at least 50% better than stock S4 (which my wife has)
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My battery life is at least 50% better than stock S4 (which my wife has)
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This is likely a user-thing, as once i debloated and greenified stock/rooted my battery life is considerably better than what i am currently getting on HyperDrive. HD is good, but my previous debloated stock was a lot better. That's the main reason for my question, as I would have expected the other way.
Regarding the above post, i'll re-read the HD post again but most of what i saw seemed like Xposed add-ons or Note3 apks. I do not mean to diminish this, but these are things achievable in stock/rooted so if they are the only gain and my battery is about 50% as long then...
Other thoughts? And thanks for the replies
There biggest differentiatior to me is the full multiwindow port from the note 3 that allows us to have floating windows, dual app shortcuts, etc.
This is a topic that had been brought up a ton when we first realized the capabilities of a framework editor such as Xposed. It takes away a lot of the need for a custom rom. I remember I first expected it to replace skinned ROM's like the ones based on TW or Sense, especially as our bootloaders continue to get locked tight. The only thing really holding that back now is the fact that Xposed will probably never be compatible with ART.
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This is likely a user-thing, as once i debloated and greenified stock/rooted my battery life is considerably better than what i am currently getting on HyperDrive. HD is good, but my previous debloated stock was a lot better. That's the main reason for my question, as I would have expected the other way.
Regarding the above post, i'll re-read the HD post again but most of what i saw seemed like Xposed add-ons or Note3 apks. I do not mean to diminish this, but these are things achievable in stock/rooted so if they are the only gain and my battery is about 50% as long then...
Other thoughts? And thanks for the replies
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I didn't do anything more than install hd12....and I still have stock rom in place too....I didn't do any thing with wanam or xpose...or greenify or debloat....da nada. Is this a positive aspect. Hands down.
safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven
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I didn't do anything more than install hd12....and I still have stock rom in place too....I didn't do any thing with wanam or xpose...or greenify or debloat....da nada. Is this a positive aspect. Hands down.
safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven
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I tried out HD and did not get the same battery life as i do with BoneStock. For me smoothness and battery life is key so i can use my phone as i want. I get .25%-.5% battery drain while idle. I get about 6 hours of SoT just about every charge and i have gotten up to 7.5 hours of SoT from time to time. I got nothing like that setting up the phone on HD the same way.
There are very good things with custom ROMs with performance tweaks and better battery. But TW has grown on me over AOSP which i had with my Droid Bionic. All I can say is, it's all about preference. Load one up and try and keep track of things that matter to you (lags/battery) and then try another. If you don't see much difference then go with what you like. It's just like food, no one can tell you what you'll like till you try it out yourself