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So I updated Maps yesterday and out of boredom clicked on the more apps by Google Inc link. Noticed that Google Wallet showed up, clicked on it and it says it's compatible with my phone. Downloaded and installed fine. Haven't tried opening and running it yet cause a) I'm rooted (know it won't run with root since update and b) even if I unrooted I read on xda somewhere that if Wallet doesn't find the secure element that it will show an error and will never work on the phone again.
I'm running stock rooted with cwm. The only things I've done to my Note are installed the nfc.zip, swapped the mms.apk to the international version and installed vvm.apk.
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Same here, I noticed it in the market and installed as well. Running completely stock phone, just rooted.
im completly stock and it doesnt show up
Well when you run it it says hardware incompatible... You raised my hopes up for no reason...
It's the same with any other non nexus nfc capable phone. We do not have the secure element so it will not run. It's almost comical how many times this has to be said
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imitenotbecrazy said:
It's the same with any other non nexus nfc capable phone. We do not have the secure element so it will not run. It's almost comical how many times this has to be said
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Is that a hardware or a software limitation?
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Is that a hardware or a software limitation?
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The existing phones with secure elements are software. There has been talk about implemementing a software "patch" to enable it. We won't see that until att launches it's mobile payment system, Isis
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lowspeed said:
Is that a hardware or a software limitation?
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imitenotbecrazy said:
The existing phones with secure elements are software. There has been talk about implemementing a software "patch" to enable it. We won't see that until att launches it's mobile payment system, Isis
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From what i've read, Isis is going to be SIM based, so it won't be dependent on the NFC capability of phones. My assumption is that most NFC capable phones have the secure element, it's just not activated or accessible. The problem is, that the carriers are trying to monopolize the NFC system for payments, and any other 'hacked' way seems too risky in my mind.
Hopefully regulators will force carriers/manufacturers to allow other systems/apps to use the hardware, and we will end up with a somewhat 'open' environment for NFC. It all reminds me of the 'bluetooth' lockdown that Verizon implemented when it first came out on phones.
Sorry my intentions were not to get anyone else's hopes up but rather to see if anyone else had the same results. With both my Nexus and Skyrocket Wallet would show as not compatible on the store.
And I also knew about the secure element hence why I said I didn't try running it yet.
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I don't think NFC will ever be implemented. People will develop malicious software that allows one to stand ass-to-ass in a bus or subway car and steal ppl's credit card chips lol
I really want to try Google wallet. In the ics leak the nfc option is in settings. So att has to be implementing it soon.
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cmjkxa said:
I really want to try Google wallet. In the ics leak the nfc option is in settings. So att has to be implementing it soon.
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It will be enabled when apple puts it in the iphone. For now, an ics rom will enable it, but wallet still will not work.
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I installed it. When I open google wallet, it says the following...
"Unfortunately, Google wallet has not yet ben certified in your country or on your device / carrier."
So I know that to avoid the "secure element" issue with Google Wallet, it's best to reset it before flashing a new ROM. What about using a program such as Boot Manager to boot between different ROMs? I usually keep a stock rooted ROM on the phone, and use Boot Manager to store multiple ROMs on the SD card and boot into them for various purposes, like an AOSP to use Wii/PS3 controller for emulators.
Would booting between the two ROMs be ok as long as I don't install Wallet on the other ROMs, or would it still break it even if I didn't install Wallet on the other ROMs? Has anyone tried this, or have any insight? I'd like to be able to use Boot Manager to experiment with some of the other ROMs out there, but I don't want to break Wallet.
Secure element from wallet is no longer an iishe. Google fixed where the data goes
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Can OP please confirm that theres no issues?
Secure element was used to store cc credentials and was verified with some sort of certificate. All sensitive information is now stored in wallet cloud servers, now it uses a virtual masterdcard and a unique key generated at the time of purchase. The key is used on a purchase and a new passkey is generated
Does Boot Manager work with the evo lye. I thought I read somewhere that it does not.
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its not yet supported. I downloaded it earlier.
I must be exhausted, saw your username and read Yoyo Ma
Haha!
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Man, was hoping someone got it working
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ssinn said:
Man, was hoping someone got it working
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Me too! Looks like we will never get it as development has been abandoned.
Tried contacting them but never get a response. It's a shame too. Great app. Paid for it back in the day and can't use it anymore.
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So I know obviously Wallet isn't working for the stock ROM, but I was wondering if there was any ROM for the DNA that it worked for, or is this a much deeper problem than that?
Thanks for your time!
My friend, there is a Q&A section for a reason.
gevis said:
So I know obviously Wallet isn't working for the stock ROM, but I was wondering if there was any ROM for the DNA that it worked for, or is this a much deeper problem than that?
Thanks for your time!
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The problem appears to be much deaper. Google wallet needs a secure element,(and it appears this phone doesn't have necessary component(s). Also it has been reported the nfc isn't compatible. Probably never happen for this phone unless Google makes a drastic change in approach. (probably won't happen).
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Thank you very much!
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The problem appears to be much deaper. Google wallet needs a secure element,(and it appears this phone doesn't have necessary component(s). Also it has been reported the nfc isn't compatible. Probably never happen for this phone unless Google makes a drastic change in approach. (probably won't happen).
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ISIS supposedly has access to secure element and works on the DNA, so I have heard.
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ISIS supposedly has access to secure element and works on the DNA, so I have heard.
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I'm missing my Google wallet too (since I switched from the Galaxy Nexus), so I've done a bit of research.
As near as I can tell, ISIS could work on this phone, by way of a sim card with the secure element built in. The NFC in the DNA is programmed by HTC to look for a secure element on the sim card. If you manage to get a sim card from Verizon w/ the secure element, ISIS has a key to unlock the secure element on a SIM, but Google Wallet doesn't.
I would be surprised if the phone didn't also have a secure element, but unfortunately the o/s as released from HTC is programmed to look for a secure element on the SIM card instead.
I booted up the cm10, installed the modified Google Wallet that other users (like the s3) have been using, however a logcat reveals that Wallet is still unable to find a secure element
I'd like to get a hold of one of these nfc Sims. I am going to call tomorrow
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I'm missing my Google wallet too (since I switched from the Galaxy Nexus), so I've done a bit of research.
As near as I can tell, ISIS could work on this phone, by way of a sim card with the secure element built in. The NFC in the DNA is programmed by HTC to look for a secure element on the sim card. If you manage to get a sim card from Verizon w/ the secure element, ISIS has a key to unlock the secure element on a SIM, but Google Wallet doesn't.
I would be surprised if the phone didn't also have a secure element, but unfortunately the o/s as released from HTC is programmed to look for a secure element on the SIM card instead.
I booted up the cm10, installed the modified Google Wallet that other users (like the s3) have been using, however a logcat reveals that Wallet is still unable to find a secure element
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This is all starting to make more sense. A good friend (and android developer) said he can't find a secure element on this phone, and doesn't have time to look any further. If it were built into a SIM then that part of the puzzle would be solved, but then making Google wallet work would still be a chore, but hopefully not impossible.
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Got mine in today. Google wallet still won't work.....
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Got mine in today. Google wallet still won't work.....
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You might try comparing the nfcaccess.xml from the /etc directory. The DNA comes with a nfcaccess.xml file that has key for isis. The s3 hack replaces the nfcaccess.xml file with a sprint nfcaccess.xml that has a key for wallet instead of ISIS. You might want to try replacing the original DNA nfcaccess.xml file with one from a sprint device. Or possibly putting both keys into a file.
Ahhh got so close.......
Stuck on this screen now and then force closes
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andrewlyle said:
Ahhh got so close.......
View attachment 1713686 Stuck on this screen now and then force closes
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I got to this point last night also. It installs and opens fine but hangs because it can't find the secure element. I edited the nfcee_access.xml as jasoraso suggested and copied the signature for wallet from my Nexus. I have a few other ideas that I'm going to try for now but most likely it will need the nfc sim to initialize.
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I wish I could find the Isis app somewhere....
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andrewlyle said:
I wish I could find the Isis app somewhere....
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Just Google it, I found it in about 5 minutes.
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Seriously? I tried but never found it. Been doing it all at work so guess I probably just overlooked it.
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You found the apk online? I've been looking still and no luck
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You found the apk online? I've been looking still and no luck
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This might help:
http://bit.ly/WEPqOs
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1939165&page=2
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This might help:
http://bit.ly/WEPqOs
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Yeah, that's where I found it.
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Argumentation said:
Yeah, that's where I found it.
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But it's not usable with the DNA, right? Has to have the proper sim card?
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You can get the needed SIM card from customer service through verizon. I had to find the Verizon version of this app and then installed it but it says it can't run because my phone is rooted
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I think this might have been answered before, but why can't the LG Optimus G use Google Wallet to make NFC payments? I use Vanilla Rootbox (the May 18 build) and it lets me install it, but I've been worried that running it might damage something since I read we can't use it.
My main question: Why can't we use it when the Nexus 4 (by most all regards, the same phone) can?
No secure element.
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No secure element.
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So then I assume the Sprint version has it, and we don't?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2168685
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So then I assume the Sprint version has it, and we don't?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2168685
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Since it works for them, I guess so. I don't really know anything about it other than the ATT OG not having it so it will never work.
http://forums.att.com/t5/Android-Di...-called-quot-ISIS-quot-more-info/td-p/3265103
This may be why.
yeah. And our phone IS isis compatible (well, in the two cities it exists in, which mine is not one of.)
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So then I assume the Sprint version has it, and we don't?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2168685
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Your assumptions are wrong. Go through this thread and you'll see that it doesn't work. Not without the xposed mod. And even then it's a hit and miss.
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Your assumptions are wrong. Go through this thread and you'll see that it doesn't work. Not without the xposed mod. And even then it's a hit and miss.
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So why can't we use the Xposed mod? I just have a hard time believing that the Spring LGOG and AT&T LGOG could be so different (I thought the only real difference was the camera, TBH. I'm probably way off though. Idk.)
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So why can't we use the Xposed mod? I just have a hard time believing that the Spring LGOG and AT&T LGOG could be so different (I thought the only real difference was the camera, TBH. I'm probably way off though. Idk.)
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You can use the xposed mod. It's not just for us. It's for any phone. The xposed framework has more use than just the wallet mod as well. But if I had to guess, I'd say it'd be hit and miss as well. (besides the radios, design change, and camera, they pretty much are the same)
We don't have secure element because AT&T sucks and wants to use ISIS which isn't even available outside of like two places.
There is this by CMs team https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tapp
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nygfan760 said:
We don't have secure element because AT&T sucks and wants to use ISIS which isn't even available outside of like two places.
There is this by CMs team https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tapp
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I just wish Isis at least would be in my town.
I have SimplyTapp, but it's kindof worthless for me right now, since I can't use it anywhere (only two cards are available, and my town has neither store.)
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yeah. And our phone IS isis compatible (well, in the two cities it exists in, which mine is not one of.)
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Visitor here from the s4 thread. Just wanted to shed some light on Isis for you guys. I for one hate Isis and will stick with Google wallet for as long as I can but if you want to try Isis, you can. They're testing in two markets. However, you're still able to get the Isis sim without being in those markets because Isis works where any paywave/paypass terminals are. Not just Isis terminals. I wanted to try Isis and be open-minded. After an hour on the phone with the rep at the call center and reps at the test markets, I found out the correct item number for the Isis sim which is 'item #41005'. Just ask them you'd like an item shipped and you have the item number. They'll ship it for free. Once you receive it, you activate it and launch Isis. As you're well aware, it won't work with rooted phones. If you're willing to try it, go for it. But for me, I didn't like it at all. It is very limited and clunky. They only support two credit cards but there is an Isis reloadable card you may use if you don't have the cards supported. But I'm sticking with Google wallet on my phone.
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Which two markets?
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Austin TX and Salt lake city UT.
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And that sim will work with an LG Optimus G? I am willing to try it. After getting it you go to a local ATT store and have it activated? I'll miss a 4.2.2 ROM though :/
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And that sim will work with an LG Optimus G? I am willing to try it. After getting it you go to a local ATT store and have it activated? I'll miss a 4.2.2 ROM though :/
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Just call in and activate it. It should work. I double checked the site for listed Isis capable phones.
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Can we bypass secure element check?
ant456 said:
Can we bypass secure element check?
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As I understand it, the Isis SIM Card comes with a Secure Element in it, so devices like ours (which is compatible with Isis) can use it.
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As I understand it, the Isis SIM Card comes with a Secure Element in it, so devices like ours (which is compatible with Isis) can use it.
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It doesn't use "secure element" like in Wallet. The SIM essentially acts the same as a secure element would but is not Wallet compatible.
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I meant like can't some one way more intelligent then me make Google wallet not check for secure element chip
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So, there is a modded version of Google Wallet, which allows phones not on the whitelist to use NFC payments.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45699789&postcount=3244
Anybody feel like testing this out on the OG? I'm not thrilled about using a modded app that has access to my cards and bank account, so if anyone wants to try it I suggest someone familiar with code dig through the apk first.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/06/sd-association-nfc-support-smartsd/
This may be a proper solution when available.
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/06/sd-association-nfc-support-smartsd/
This may be a proper solution when available.
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Thanks for the link. I remember reading that back in June. Unfortunately, it's no help for those of us who need immediate gratification.
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So, there is a modded version of Google Wallet, which allows phones not on the whitelist to use NFC payments.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45699789&postcount=3244
Anybody feel like testing this out on the OG? I'm not thrilled about using a modded app that has access to my cards and bank account, so if anyone wants to try it I suggest someone familiar with code dig through the apk first.
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I have it downloaded and installed per the directions in the linked thread, but it has been stuck on the "just finishing up a couple things" screen for about 30 minutes now. Don't know what that means, but will let you know what happens.
Update : it doesn't work. Left it setting up for 2 hours, and it gave me a settings FC until I got rid of it. It also seemed to use a ton of power, but thankfully I was plugged in.
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ousoonerchase said:
Update : it doesn't work. Left it setting up for 2 hours, and it gave me a settings FC until I got rid of it. It also seemed to use a ton of power, but thankfully I was plugged in.
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It was available in the play store for me last night..
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It was available in the play store for me last night..
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Interesting. I've been able to download it before, but the installation always failed due to one reason or another. Tried it now and everything is working, and quickly! Awesome :thumbup:
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The official one from the play store does not support tap to pay (nfc) on our phones.
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The official one from the play store does not support tap to pay (nfc) on our phones.
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Bummer. I don't have anywhere around here to use it that I'm aware of, so I just downloaded it for grins basically...
This would be very helpful
Kit Kat emulates the secure element now, wallet loads, and tap & pay shows up in settings with wallet available... I have yet to actually test it though
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Kit Kat emulates the secure element now, wallet loads, and tap & pay shows up in settings with wallet available... I have yet to actually test it though
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Yeah, I've been using houstonn's 4.4 PA Alpha and Wallet and Tap & Pay are both configurable, but I haven't had it actually work yet. I tried at Radio Shack last night with no luck. Has anybody else had better luck?
I tried it, not sure if I was doing it right but no luck for me.
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FWIW, I did get a Google Wallet update last night. Looks like it added some cool features, like adding a debit or credit card just by taking a picture.
Hopefully it will also now allow us to use our phones for tap and pay.
Still no tap and pay, it seems. I guess this is because we don't have the secure element? I was hoping Kit Kat and Google Wallet updates would get around that.
Tap and pay didn't work at the two stores I tried it at. I'm using a e970 running houstonn's KitKat rom. The wallet app indicates that tap and pay is setup correctly. Android beam works fine.
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Unfortunately, LG OG and most of the phones subsidized by carriers are made with NXP NFC controllers. NXP has not provided the sources/drivers to enable HCE from KitKat. I'm sure the carriers paid big money to NXP to not provide drivers and lock down their customers to using ISIS payments only. ISIS sucks, you need a secure element SIM, unrooted phone, and only can link certain credit cards with high fees. Phones with Broadcom NFC controllers are already enjoying tap and pay with Google wallet.
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Unfortunately, LG OG and most of the phones subsidized by carriers are made with NXP NFC controllers. NXP has not provided the sources/drivers to enable HCE from KitKat. I'm sure the carriers paid big money to NXP to not provide drivers and lock down their customers to using ISIS payments only. ISIS sucks, you need a secure element SIM, unrooted phone, and only can link certain credit cards with high fees. Phones with Broadcom NFC controllers are already enjoying tap and pay with Google wallet.
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but the nexus 4 uses the same nfc controller and google wallet works.
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but the nexus 4 uses the same nfc controller and google wallet works.
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He said subsidized. N4 has a secure element.
So, just got an email from AT&T saying that I should come into a store and get a secure element SIM so that I can use Isis. Anyone else get this? Or have you used Isis?