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How come the vzw tablet will not load any rom except those made specifically for it? I'm willing to lose 3G/4G connectivity but no rom will load past the Samsung sign. The European 3G tablet can load any rom but it will lose mobile data if the rom isn't built for it, how come the vzw tab doesn't work this way?
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I live in the Fremont area and would much rather have an lte tab. Want to trade my wifi tab for your vzw tab?
I'm far from an expert, just a user who loves rooted android devices but I'd venture to guess that the fact that Pershoot developed separate kernels for various models of Galaxy Tab 10.1's is an indication that at some fundamental level these things are different.
It'd be interesting to see if there's a way to take the ROMs being distributed for other models and modify them prior to flashing in order to make them compatible with our device. I just don't know how to do this personally.
Sadly, no developers have the LTE model so we're stuck with rooted stock.
I would think though that short of the theme part of many of the popular ROMs there shouldn't be any reason why you couldn't modify a stock LTE device to conform to the changes these ROMs have. It just takes a lot of work compared to flashing a prebuilt one . .
There are hardware differences between the LTE and Wifi versions of the tabs, which means that they run on different kernels. As Muzzy was saying, the developers would need to develop a kernel and a LTE-specific Rom for the VZW tab. It's unfortunate, but that's what happens when a carrier gets into a device, they have the manufacturer "customize" the build. I'm sure some devs will be getting into the LTE tab soon enough, or at least someone will port another dev's work from another tab to the vzw version.
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There are hardware differences between the LTE and Wifi versions of the tabs, which means that they run on different kernels. As Muzzy was saying, the developers would need to develop a kernel and a LTE-specific Rom for the VZW tab. It's unfortunate, but that's what happens when a carrier gets into a device, they have the manufacturer "customize" the build. I'm sure some devs will be getting into the LTE tab soon enough, or at least someone will port another dev's work from another tab to the vzw version.
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Say I wasn't worried about 3G/4G, if I get a lte kernel, do you think the wifi only kangs will work? Currently it will load but it will not go past the Samsung screen
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In order to give a definitive answer I would have to look through the differences in how Kangs and the VZW rom handle radios, but I'd venture to say probably not. Usually the roms have to be ported from one device to another in order to account for the differences in hardware. This is the case with the Samsung Nexus S and the Nexus S 4G. They have nearly identical hardware, (except for the radios,) and while they share an OS, (Gingerbread,) you can't flash a Nexus S rom to a Nexus S 4G. Sorry.
So this is one of the very first results that comes up when you search verizon galaxy note 2 on google.
I am considering getting the note 2 on verizon soon and I was wondering how the experience differs from the other carriers.. I heard the multi window supports fewer apps on verizon, and MANY other important features are said to be missing in the comments.
Does the development community have any solutions or ROMs that puts VZW on equal footing with the other carriers? The coverage and speed are obviously better on vzw, but just trying to be thorough and it's hard to tell without having the phone in hand.
Yes. With root and unlock it's on pretty much equal footing with everyone on software. Equal with Sprint on hardware as there's no wireless charging - unless you cut holes for the contacts in the plastic backing on top of the mobo.
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So this is one of the very first results that comes up when you search verizon galaxy note 2 on google.
I am considering getting the note 2 on verizon soon and I was wondering how the experience differs from the other carriers.. I heard the multi window supports fewer apps on verizon, and MANY other important features are said to be missing in the comments.
Does the development community have any solutions or ROMs that puts VZW on equal footing with the other carriers? The coverage and speed are obviously better on vzw, but just trying to be thorough and it's hard to tell without having the phone in hand.
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Welp, that's Verizon for ya. And I like how the thread was locked down. Smh Verizon.
Anyways, if you are planning on rooting your Note, there's a mod to have any app added to the Multi Window feature.
Here's a solid solution: Flash CleanROM 3.5, which is based on the International Android 4.1.2 base, which has a ton of features added that weren't originally on any Android 4.1.1 base from any carrier. On top of that, you get the Multi Window feature mod.
This is why we have a development community - so evil carriers like this don't completely shut us down and treat us like peasants.
I'd say the developers here have been GREAT! I haven't dabbled in other note 2 forums or the like but I'm using Clean Rom VZW 1.0 and just love it.
I don't see anything that i would want missing.
DroidOnRoids said:
Welp, that's Verizon for ya. And I like how the thread was locked down. Smh Verizon.
Anyways, if you are planning on rooting your Note, there's a mod to have any app added to the Multi Window feature.
Here's a solid solution: Flash CleanROM 3.5, which is based on the International Android 4.1.2 base, which has a ton of features added that weren't originally on any Android 4.1.1 base from any carrier. On top of that, you get the Multi Window feature mod.
This is why we have a development community - so evil carriers like this don't completely shut us down and treat us like peasants.
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Truth. Who knows how long it'll be before Verizon gets off their asses and sends out the 4.1.2 update to us.
Hell, I will bet money that things they took out of our phones that should have been stock, will be touted as being new features provided to us the peasants all thanks to Verizon Wireless. Ha... ha... ha..... Verizon you make me sad.
DaRkL3AD3R said:
Truth. Who knows how long it'll be before Verizon gets off their asses and sends out the 4.1.2 update to us.
Hell, I will bet money that things they took out of our phones that should have been stock, will be touted as being new features provided to us the peasants all thanks to Verizon Wireless. Ha... ha... ha..... Verizon you make me sad.
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Wanna know why I haven't bothered with 4.1.2?
Because the differences between 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 are stupidly minor.
4.1.1 to 4.1.2 deep down brings nothing to the table for us. It might for touchwiz, but the actual base Android OS sees little improvement overall. As for Touchwiz, we already have some of the updates in 4.1.1 on our variant.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inter...-get-android-412-update-new-touchwiz-features
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The biggest changes seem to be focused around the top of the screen. The notification shade is now customizable, so if you're not a fan of extraneous toggles and brightness dials, you can turn them off. If you keep your notification shade quick-controls, you'll notice new additions such as the ability to toggle the multi-window feature on and off. The notification bar itself has also changed slightly, going from grey back to black. And the lock screen's been changed up a little, with a new, optional ink effect in the on-screen "pool" when unlocking the device.
Web browser performance improvements are also noted, although we've always found Samsung's stock browser to be pretty fast. And finally, there's also a new Group Cast app for sharing music and photos with other Samsung device owners.
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As you can see, we already have most of that (I highlighted it).
Back to 4.1.2:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...4-1-2-at-the-low-level-developer-commit-logs/
The only reason 4.1.2 was released is because it contained a mandatory software update for new Nexus 7 hardware revisions (dealing with power management hardware) and the new N7's releasing wouldn't run on 4.1.1. Otherwise, Google could have easily just waited until 4.2 with the changes.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...id-4-1-2-update-being-released-to-aosp-today/
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So this is one of the very first results that comes up when you search verizon galaxy note 2 on google.
I am considering getting the note 2 on verizon soon and I was wondering how the experience differs from the other carriers.. I heard the multi window supports fewer apps on verizon, and MANY other important features are said to be missing in the comments.
Does the development community have any solutions or ROMs that puts VZW on equal footing with the other carriers? The coverage and speed are obviously better on vzw, but just trying to be thorough and it's hard to tell without having the phone in hand.
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I wouldn't say MANY. You have to look at other US Note 2 variants too. Tmobile and ATT didn't even ship with mulitwindow and are just now getting it. Welcome to the world of US carrier control.
Another placebo effect with 4.1.2.
As for the note 2 on verizon, once rooted/unlocked, its great.
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lostnuke said:
Another placebo effect with 4.1.2.
As for the note 2 on verizon, once rooted/unlocked, its great.
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Working with AOSP for a year, you get a really good feeling for just how much placebo is out there, when you get to see the nitty gritty in actual changes.
I miss my gnex. I don't miss its poor signal and battery life though.
4.1.1 to 4.1.2 is crazy minor and has no noticeable effect to most people.
4.2 to 4.2.1 is another one, and pointless if you are CDMA and already fixed the contacts bug yourself.
Yet, on both of those updates, people saw miraculous changes in performance and stability
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Wanna know why I haven't bothered with 4.1.2?
Because the differences between 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 are stupidly minor.
4.1.1 to 4.1.2 deep down brings nothing to the table for us. It might for touchwiz, but the actual base Android OS sees little improvement overall .
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...4-1-2-at-the-low-level-developer-commit-logs/
The only reason 4.1.2 was released is because it contained a mandatory software update for new Nexus 7 hardware revisions (dealing with power management hardware) and the new N7's releasing wouldn't run on 4.1.1. Otherwise, Google could have easily just waited until 4.2 with the changes.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...id-4-1-2-update-being-released-to-aosp-today/
I wouldn't say MANY. You have to look at other US Note 2 variants too. Tmobile and ATT didn't even ship with mulitwindow and are just now getting it. Welcome to the world of US carrier control.
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I guess you didn't read about how the update to AT&T/US Cellular Note 2s which included 4.1.2 also happened to fix the missing auto-correction in the Samsung keyboard, and 240p/480p flash videos display corruption.
Both are huge to me, and probably many other people (the keyboard one especially.)
Just because the update includes a bump in Android firmware doesn't mean that's what I'm looking forward to. So yes, it does matter and the sooner we get it the better. And my point about Verizon failing hard at updating devices (not just to change their build number) still stands.
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I guess you didn't read about how the update to AT&T/US Cellular Note 2s which included 4.1.2 also happened to fix the missing auto-correction in the Samsung keyboard, and 240p/480p flash videos display corruption.
Both are huge to me, and probably many other people (the keyboard one especially.)
Just because the update includes a bump in Android firmware doesn't mean that's what I'm looking forward to. So yes, it does matter and the sooner we get it the better. And my point about Verizon failing hard at updating devices (not just to change their build number) still stands.
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Flash isn't supported in Jellybean, so that is not something I am concerned with. As for the Samsung keyboard autocorrect, that again is pretty minor when you can sideload a superior-in-every-way keyboard.
Both of those are third party issues, and not worthy of an OS bump. That is my point. Its a minor (in every way) update. Yeah, Verizon sucks on updates, but people will whine about anything. You knew that going in, and hey, at least we saw multiwindow before ATT or Tmobile. Some of the touchwiz features we even saw before the International version.
Someone wake me when Samsung releases 4.2. Then I will be interested.
adrynalyne said:
Wanna know why I haven't bothered with 4.1.2?
Because the differences between 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 are stupidly minor.
4.1.1 to 4.1.2 deep down brings nothing to the table for us. It might for touchwiz, but the actual base Android OS sees little improvement overall. As for Touchwiz, we already have some of the updates in 4.1.1 on our variant.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inter...-get-android-412-update-new-touchwiz-features
From the article:
As you can see, we already have most of that (I highlighted it).
Back to 4.1.2:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...4-1-2-at-the-low-level-developer-commit-logs/
The only reason 4.1.2 was released is because it contained a mandatory software update for new Nexus 7 hardware revisions (dealing with power management hardware) and the new N7's releasing wouldn't run on 4.1.1. Otherwise, Google could have easily just waited until 4.2 with the changes.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...id-4-1-2-update-being-released-to-aosp-today/
I wouldn't say MANY. You have to look at other US Note 2 variants too. Tmobile and ATT didn't even ship with mulitwindow and are just now getting it. Welcome to the world of US carrier control.
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are you able to multi-window any app in 4.1.2 on the note 2? On the 10.1 we have to be running 4.1.2 for the multi-window because of something that changed. On 4.1.1 you have to edit each app.
I don't know a lot about coding, but that is big for me. I know on the note 2, most custom ROMs have this ability already, but the dev section of the 10.1 is pretty lean at the moment. Guess all the devs got nexus 7's and 10's.
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are you able to multi-window any app in 4.1.2 on the note 2? On the 10.1 we have to be running 4.1.2 for the multi-window because of something that changed. On 4.1.1 you have to edit each app.
I don't know a lot about coding, but that is big for me. I know on the note 2, most custom ROMs have this ability already, but the dev section of the 10.1 is pretty lean at the moment. Guess all the devs got nexus 7's and 10's.
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Not even the international version can multiwindow any app without outside modification.
adrynalyne said:
Flash isn't supported in Jellybean, so that is not something I am concerned with. As for the Samsung keyboard autocorrect, that again is pretty minor when you can sideload a superior-in-every-way keyboard.
Both of those are third party issues, and not worthy of an OS bump. That is my point. Its a minor (in every way) update. Yeah, Verizon sucks on updates, but people will whine about anything. You knew that going in, and hey, at least we saw multiwindow before ATT or Tmobile. Some of the touchwiz features we even saw before the International version.
Someone wake me when Samsung releases 4.2. Then I will be interested.
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Damn man so pessimistic lol
I love that flash still works. And the fact that Samsung actually took the time to fix it in their update means they care too.
As for the keyboard, I enjoy my extra row of numbers and see nothing wrong with it. The only reason I use the stock AOSP 4.2 keyboard right now is because it has auto-correct working. Otherwise, yeah I'd be using that Touchwiz goodness.
I'm not interested in the bump to 4.1.2. **** I wish they would just hotfix these two minor things without lumping it into a firmware update so I could enjoy these fixes without waiting months for Verizon. Unfortunately it is what it is and there's no reason for you to be defending them. I mean really, what point are you trying to make? We know 4.1.2 doesn't do much of anything for us, it's just a lot easier for us to say "we're waiting for 4.1.2 update" rather than "we're waiting for the update that fixes x y and z"
Cool story bro?
adrynalyne said:
Not even the international version can multiwindow any app without outside modification.
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I know, but someone developed an app that allows you to choose which apps you want to multi-window, save, reboot and done. Most apps work.
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I know, but someone developed an app that allows you to choose which apps you want to multi-window, save, reboot and done. Most apps work.
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Right. But that is not due to 4.1.2.
That same app is in the development forum here.
DaRkL3AD3R said:
Damn man so pessimistic lol
I love that flash still works. And the fact that Samsung actually took the time to fix it in their update means they care too.
As for the keyboard, I enjoy my extra row of numbers and see nothing wrong with it. The only reason I use the stock AOSP 4.2 keyboard right now is because it has auto-correct working. Otherwise, yeah I'd be using that Touchwiz goodness.
I'm not interested in the bump to 4.1.2. **** I wish they would just hotfix these two minor things without lumping it into a firmware update so I could enjoy these fixes without waiting months for Verizon. Unfortunately it is what it is and there's no reason for you to be defending them. I mean really, what point are you trying to make? We know 4.1.2 doesn't do much of anything for us, it's just a lot easier for us to say "we're waiting for 4.1.2 update" rather than "we're waiting for the update that fixes x y and z"
Cool story bro?
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Not so much as pessimistic, but a hardened Verizon veteran that has seen too many wars with them.
That and a year on the Galaxy Nexus has shown me that newer isn't always better, 4.2 is a train wreck. By the time we see it, I hope the issues are worked out.
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Right. But that is not due to 4.1.2.
That same app is in the development forum here.
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That app only works on 4.1.2, not 4.0.4 or 4.1.1. You can't even install the app on those firmwares. He says either google or Samsung added something to make adding multiwindow easier for devs.
Here's the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079807
Like I said, I don't understand the functions of it, just know that it works on 4.1.2 and nothing else.
adrynalyne said:
Not so much as pessimistic, but a hardened Verizon veteran that has seen too many wars with them.
That and a year on the Galaxy Nexus has shown me that newer isn't always better, 4.2 is a train wreck. By the time we see it, I hope the issues are worked out.
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Wait, you mean the 4.2 update to the Nexus phone that Verizon has yet to even put out? lawl gotta laugh. I've seen plenty of wars with Verizon myself but I see no reason to argue with users about why they should not look forward to fixes reaching their device, and the greedy ****s who slow that process down for them.
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That app only works on 4.1.2, not 4.0.4 or 4.1.1. You can't even install the app on those firmwares. He says either google or Samsung added something to make adding multiwindow easier for devs.
Here's the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079807
Like I said, I don't understand the functions of it, just know that it works on 4.1.2 and nothing else.
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Are we talking about the same thing?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2045974
Right at the top, it shows our 4.1.1 release as the supported version.
This guy was able to get it done. Not sure why the other guy couldn't.
DaRkL3AD3R said:
Wait, you mean the 4.2 update to the Nexus phone that Verizon has yet to even put out? lawl gotta laugh. I've seen plenty of wars with Verizon myself but I see no reason to argue with users about why they should not look forward to fixes reaching their device, and the greedy ****s who slow that process down for them.
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Is there something wrong with 4.1.1. that you NEED an update once google updates? 4.2.1 is still broken. Why do you think sometimes there is a delay from when google pushes an update to when you see it. Its more then just Verizon. If verizon put out the 4.2.1. update now for the nexus people would be calling left and right saying that their phone is rebooting when updating apps from the market, especially when you modify the lock screen widgets. No way verizon would approve something still broken.
This might be a very silly question but...
I know T mobile US hasn't released 4.2.2 so it doesn't come with wifi calling, but has anyone tried importing the apk (or whatever it is) from 4.1.2 to the 4.2.2 release ?
JoeTesla said:
This might be a very silly question but...
I know T mobile US hasn't released 4.2.2 so it doesn't come with wifi calling, but has anyone tried importing the apk (or whatever it is) from 4.1.2 to the 4.2.2 release ?
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Considering how deep the needed changes go it won't boot.
id10terrordfw said:
Considering how deep the needed changes go it won't boot.
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I see, I didn't realize it goes that 'deep'.
Thanks
I would make, and trade a child to get wifi calling on 4.2.2...
BableMan said:
I would make, and trade a child to get wifi calling on 4.2.2...
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Dude...patience....once T-Mobile releases their 4.2.2 update it will be available and quickly built into every custom ROM for the HTC One. I have a developer edition device and have been running custom ROMs since I unboxed the thing. After every T-Mobile update, the devs ripped out the parts needed for wifi calling and updated the custom ROMs. It will come...T-Mobile is just notorious for being slow at releasing updates.
xdajunkman said:
Dude...patience....once T-Mobile releases their 4.2.2 update it will be available and quickly built into every custom ROM for the HTC One. I have a developer edition device and have been running custom ROMs since I unboxed the thing. After every T-Mobile update, the devs ripped out the parts needed for wifi calling and updated the custom ROMs. It will come...T-Mobile is just notorious for being slow at releasing updates.
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T mobile has been known to take over nine months for updates before. I'm just saying that my plan might be faster, and if there are any genius coders/tmobile leakers wanting an Irish child now they know that they have options
waiting for your good news！
BableMan said:
I would make, and trade a child to get wifi calling on 4.2.2...
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fighting！
Is there any apps that do the same thing?
Nope
There's currently a bounty for getting this done on the Nexus 4, last I checked it was $1,400. This bounty has been up for MONTHS and no one has been able to do it yet. $1,400 is a hell of a lot of motivation, so I'm sure they are trying, it's just baked too deep. There are rumors that T-mobile's 4.2.2 is taking so long because they are attempting to separate wifi calling, which I really hope is a true rumor.
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This might be a very silly question but...
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it is because it's in the wrong section
My Galaxy tab 2 10.1/SGH-I497 from AT&T seems to have no support for anything other than rooting. Am I missing something? I'm under the impression that only roms specifically designated for the I497 should used but it's hard to believe that there's no interest in porting over a couple of the more popular roms. Is my assumption correct, or will a rom for a non-AT&T version work and I just didn't get the memo?
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My Galaxy tab 2 10.1/SGH-I497 from AT&T seems to have no support for anything other than rooting. Am I missing something? I'm under the impression that only roms specifically designated for the I497 should used but it's hard to believe that there's no interest in porting over a couple of the more popular roms. Is my assumption correct, or will a rom for a non-AT&T version work and I just didn't get the memo?
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I'm not sure.. but if you can find a forum for the tab 2 10.1..then ask around.. I would guess that the roms would flash fine, but you will need to find out you're APN's so you will have data after flashing a rom for another carrier..
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My Galaxy tab 2 10.1/SGH-I497 from AT&T seems to have no support for anything other than rooting. Am I missing something? I'm under the impression that only roms specifically designated for the I497 should used but it's hard to believe that there's no interest in porting over a couple of the more popular roms. Is my assumption correct, or will a rom for a non-AT&T version work and I just didn't get the memo?
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There are not any ROMs for our tab, I've been looking for a long time.
and now???
ANy way to update to 4.4.2?
Tried talking to Samsung to find out why those of us never receive updates to our software. Besides their chat being a joke as usual this is what i got:
Melina: I understand that you want to know why developer edition Galaxy S4 does not get updates like normal S4 . Is that correct?
Visitor: yes
Melina: Thank you for confirming.
Melina: May I know the model number of the device? To know the model number of the device, please tap on Home>> Applications>> Settings>>More tab>> About Device/About phone. It generally starts with SCH or SGH or SPH or GT.
Visitor: sch-i545
Melina: Thank you for the model number.
Melina: May I know your device base band version? You can find it in Applications>>Settings>>About Device/ About Phone.
Visitor: i545oyuamdk
Melina: Thank you for the information.
Melina: May I place you on hold for 2 minutes, while I gather the information on your request?
Visitor: yes
Melina: Thank you.
Melina: Thank you for waiting. I appreciate your time and patience.
Melina: I should inform you that your device has an update to Android 4.3 Jelly Bean through OTA( Over The Air) . OTA updates are pushed by the carrier. You need to contact your carrier and request them to push the update on your device.
Melina: You can contact Verizon support at 1-888-466-4646.
Click here to reach them online.
Melina: http://www.samsung.com/us/support/faq/FAQ00053701/63350/SCH-I545ZKDVZW
Melina: Please click on the above link to view how to update your device to Android 4.3 and information about the update.
Melina: Are you able to open the above link?
Visitor: yes i realize that this has this update which is why i am asking why i do not recieve it. YOu also pushed out 2 other OTA updates prior to this that only the consumer edition galaxy s4 got, the developer edition does not ever get them. The link you sent is for the update all galaxy s4 should be receiving but as if stated, noone who owns a developer edition gets these.
Melina: I understand your concern.
Melina: I should inform you that OTA updates are released by the carrier and not by Samsung. They push the update in batches by selecting devices randomly. You can contact them and request to push the update.
Visitor: i have contacted verizon before in regards to the previous updates not being installed. THey have informed me that you, samsung, does not release any of these updates for the developer edition, the updates you give to verizon are only good for the consumer edition. SO yes my question still stands why are there no updates for this version of the phone. Im sorry if you do not have an answer for this question please direct me to someone who does
Melina: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.
Melina: I am sorry for the delay.
Melina: I should inform you that Kies software updates are provided by Samsung and OTA updates are provided by carrier. However I should inform you that boot loader of developers edition devices are by default unlocked and these phones are meant to install third party software on their devices thus Samsusng does not specifically provide software update. I request you to contact our higher level of chat support to know more information about the same.
Melina: You can contact our voice support at 1-888-987-4357, Mon-Fri: 7 AM - 9 PM (CST), Sat: 9 AM - 6 PM (CST).
So yes essentially they are never going to update the dev edition galaxy s4 from the current build. And as we know installing the consumer edition software is no good for our phone. So glad i spent $650 on a phone that will never receive updates.
You have an unlocked bootloader, just install any custom rom. There will be a wave of 4.3 based roms soon/already.
MehStrongBadMeh said:
You have an unlocked bootloader, just install any custom rom. There will be a wave of 4.3 based roms soon/already.
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Absolutely...and I wouldn't be surprised if one shows up today.
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You have an unlocked bootloader, just install any custom rom. There will be a wave of 4.3 based roms soon/already.
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That is not a stock software from Samsung. Yes it's nice to flash a rom, but if they had no intentions of updating the phone they should outline that before purchase. Why do you replace your phone over time? Because it becomes old and no longer recieves updated android. So by them selling a phone with no updates from the start, they are basically stating the device is EOL.
While true in the strictest sense, there really is no compelling reason to purchase the dev edition for anything but the unlocked bootloader. If all you were looking for was updated stock firmware, the three standard s4 is all that is needed. The dev s4 can effectively receive all the updates the standard s4 receives by using custom roms based on said updates. Also, the unlocked bootloader means you will be able to use custom roms of Android updates that are made long after Samsung ceases to make official updates for the device.
Samsung seems to always direct you back to the carrier (VZW) in this case. Irony is the the GPe version is not supported by the carrier but by Samsung/Google. Although google does not post the binaries either of the device. Since our device is locked to VZW I would bug Big Red for all its worth.
My 2 cents
MehStrongBadMeh said:
While true in the strictest sense, there really is no compelling reason to purchase the dev edition for anything but the unlocked bootloader. If all you were looking for was updated stock firmware, the three standard s4 is all that is needed. The dev s4 can effectively receive all the updates the standard s4 receives by using custom roms based on said updates. Also, the unlocked bootloader means you will be able to use custom roms of Android updates that are made long after Samsung ceases to make official updates for the device.
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This.
If you're going to buy the dev edition and you're not even a developer, then you bought it to run custom roms. You shouldn't care about if they update the stock firmware.
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joshm.1219 said:
This.
If you're going to buy the dev edition and you're not even a developer, then you bought it to run custom roms. You shouldn't care about if they update the stock firmware.
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You are correct, sir!
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Personally, I agree with both sides. In one case, you have an unlocked bootloader for a reason.
I believe you dealt with an uninformed agent in that chat, as she was just reading from a script, you could tell with the whole "can I confirm you are" blah blah. Try getting on the phone and dealing with a live American rep.
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joshm.1219 said:
This.
If you're going to buy the dev edition and you're not even a developer, then you bought it to run custom roms. You shouldn't care about if they update the stock firmware.
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I agree however i bought the dev edition solely for the fact i can customize it, and then run custom roms once i get bored of stock. Like any phone. However this leaves anyone with this phone no choice but to run custom roms for any updated software. It really doesn't matter what i wanted from the phone, or anyone else wanted, its solely the fact Samsung sold a phone with no intentions of supporting it beyond release. I can say that everyone who bought the standard gs4 should never have expected to run a custom rom and just be happy with stock as well, because thats exactly what the standard edition is made for. But we both know thats not true for the majority of people owning it. Samsungs selling point for the Dev edition is the choice to do what you want with it, by not supporting it they aren't giving you a choice to keep it stock (even though they give you no firmware image to get back to stock if you mess it up.) So yes i am right in saying they messed up big time with the Dev edition.
I have a conflicting view. I wouldnt personally want my developer edition phone to recieve updates, id rather want complete control over what is flashed to my device and I know I can just build a stock rom for the dev device from the consumer ed. updates. However not all people know how to build their own roms, know which partitions to ignore/modify/flash or know how to make it all come together and work. I think the issue is that there aren't many developers with dev s4's. Its possible to make odin images for all the corresponding consumer update builds. Dev edition devices are only limited by the ability and knowledge of their owners. Consumer devices dont get that luxary.
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Surge1223 said:
I have a conflicting view. I wouldnt personally want my developer edition phone to recieve updates, id rather want complete control over what is flashed to my device and I know I can just build a stock rom for the dev device from the consumer ed. updates. However not all people know how to build their own roms, know which partitions to ignore/modify/flash or know how to make it all come together and work. I think the issue is that there aren't many developers with dev s4's. Its possible to make odin images for all the corresponding consumer update builds. Dev edition devices are only limited by the ability and knowledge of their owners. Consumer devices dont get that luxary.
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I agree with that surge, the problem being like you said, those of us with limited development skillset cannot build the rom. guess I have something to learn
The other is brickability. Since the dev ed is more brickable without a true factory image to recover its a catch 22. Unlike the GPe there isn't any way to unlock the bootloader if it should become relocked.
my 2 cents
oakley470 said:
I agree however i bought the dev edition solely for the fact i can customize it, and then run custom roms once i get bored of stock. Like any phone. However this leaves anyone with this phone no choice but to run custom roms for any updated software. It really doesn't matter what i wanted from the phone, or anyone else wanted, its solely the fact Samsung sold a phone with no intentions of supporting it beyond release. I can say that everyone who bought the standard gs4 should never have expected to run a custom rom and just be happy with stock as well, because thats exactly what the standard edition is made for. But we both know thats not true for the majority of people owning it. Samsungs selling point for the Dev edition is the choice to do what you want with it, by not supporting it they aren't giving you a choice to keep it stock (even though they give you no firmware image to get back to stock if you mess it up.) So yes i am right in saying they messed up big time with the Dev edition.
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Well, just playing devil's advocate, you would think that the purpose of a developer edition is to have custom software on it. I agree with what you said about the expectations of someone who buys a stock phone of course, but it's obviously not true the majority of people owning a stock phone want custom software. I don't know if you meant to type it like that but I can assure you most people who buy the s4 in the world run normal Touchwiz and have no idea about ROM's, bootloaders, android versions, etc. I can make assumptions too about Samsung's selling point for the Dev Edition, but the only differentiating factor is an unlocked bootloader. The purpose of that is to run custom software, thus the purpose of the Dev Edition. Also, they might just assume the developers these devices are really meant for know how tobuild updated stock rom's if they wanted to. I understand your frustration in that it wasn't upfront information before you purchased it.
Buy a Dev phone with no knowledge of building ROMs and then complain about updates not being released for a phone built for ROM development purposes? Not sure why this is even an issue.
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chriskader said:
Buy a Dev phone with no knowledge of building ROMs and then complain about updates not being released for a phone built for ROM development purposes? Not sure why this is even an issue.
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Not sure why you felt the need to post? The complaint is valid for many with a dev edition, everyone was wondering why they don't receive the updates, I have now answered that.
Even if we didn't get otas it would be nice if they released an Odin flashable factory image for when we screw our phones up.
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Knowing how to make your own ROM's has nothing to do with owning a Dev edition phone. If you had to buy the phone at retail price anyways, the Dev edition is a better choice, so I'm sure a lot of people did that. Even if they never planned to put custom ROM's on it.
Also to add, firmware updates come with security fixes, and radio updates to better connect to the carriers network (AWS support..). If they can sell a phone that connects to Verizon, they should update it the same as Verizon does with consumer version.
Schoat333 said:
Knowing how to make your own ROM's has nothing to do with owning a Dev edition phone. If you had to buy the phone at retail price anyways, the Dev edition is a better choice, so I'm sure a lot of people did that. Even if they never planned to put custom ROM's on it.
Also to add, firmware updates come with security fixes, and radio updates to better connect to the carriers network (AWS support..). If they can sell a phone that connects to Verizon, they should update it the same as Verizon does with consumer version.
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I agree although ROMing is the main activity with this phone other updates and software have nothing to do with the ROM. Since this is my first Dev Ed, I'm slightly disappointed.
I've tweeted with VZW to no avail but they seem to at least acknowledge the Dev Ed but don't have much info.
My 2 Cents
Schoat333 said:
Knowing how to make your own ROM's has nothing to do with owning a Dev edition phone. If you had to buy the phone at retail price anyways, the Dev edition is a better choice, so I'm sure a lot of people did that. Even if they never planned to put custom ROM's on it.
Also to add, firmware updates come with security fixes, and radio updates to better connect to the carriers network (AWS support..). If they can sell a phone that connects to Verizon, they should update it the same as Verizon does with consumer version.
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I agree. Dev edition phones are not just for running Roms. There is a reason that Stock images are put out there, so the those with Dev editions that do play around, have a way of getting back to a fresh restart. So a Dev edition is permanently locked on old software? That makes no sense. It should be up to Samsung to release the VZW 4.3 update for the Dev edition through Kies, not pushed, but offered. Those with Dev editions should have the ability to upgrade and still tinker, and given a the stock image to restart when necessary. It's why they shelled out the extra $.