Every since the ics release ui hasn't hardly changed a bit from ics to jb ui,the biggest change over from any android
O.s was from gb to ics.
Anyone agree that Jb roms aren't even remotely unique as they used to be with the gingerbread o.s and older o.s systems .
The way Roms, were themed and made back in the day to compared to every single custom rom now for jb aside from a few setting tweaks they are all the same looking .. almost as if theming is hard and it's to much work for devs to make they're roms ui look, different from any other . This is only speaking on original android development based of stock release .
What's the point in flashing anymore .
Unless you go for a TOTAL Change over with cm10 or aokp, stock based roms lack a unique ui, and theming from Rom to Rom, they all mimic stock with maybe power toggles built in and a claimed battery saving kernel.
This must be why at the end of the day everyone reverts back to their stock nandroids.
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Every since the ics release ui hasn't hardly changed a bit from ics to jb ui,the biggest change over from any android
O.s was from gb to ics.
Anyone agree that Jb roms aren't even remotely unique as they used to be with the gingerbread o.s and older o.s systems .
The way Roms, were themed and made back in the day to compared to every single custom rom now for jb aside from a few setting tweaks they are all the same looking .. almost as if theming is hard and it's to much work for devs to make they're roms ui look, different from any other . This is only speaking on original android development based of stock release .
What's the point in flashing anymore .
Unless you go for a TOTAL Change over with cm10 or aokp, stock based roms lack a unique ui, and theming from Rom to Rom, they all mimic stock with maybe power toggles built in and a claimed battery saving kernel.
This must be why at the end of the day everyone reverts back to their stock nandroids.
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I have not yet flashed, but you don't mention that many of the ROMs are dodexed, which makes them faster. Maybe it isn't that important with the faster processors these days.
Also, the chefs are putting in a lot more than meets the eye - more than eye candy (depending on the chef, of course).
I'm not using their ROMs right now, but I value their work and dedication.
I don't know why you're complaining. Clearly you have no idea what a launcher is. That's what the "LOOK" you're talking about is. Devs now focus on making roms clean and run more efficiently. YOU can make it look however YOU want. The dev doesn't need to clutter the base rom with stuff most people won't use.
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I was just wondering, why are there so many stock ROMS in the development section. Dont people here like cyanogenmod roms and miui roms? i am thinking of getting this phone in 2 days
personally, i like what samsung provides as default. to me, some of the custom rom's themes just hurt my eyes ;-)
Cyanogen is still in beta for the GSII, not sure about Miui but I don't think thats ready yet either. Some people say they run Cyanogen and are happy with it but for myself and probably most here, I want a completely stable release and I don't want to be flashing nightlies.
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I was just wondering, why are there so many stock ROMS in the development section. Dont people here like cyanogenmod roms and miui roms? i am thinking of getting this phone in 2 days
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Both cyan and miui roms missing samsung media codec playback , only very crappy google basic remains.
Roms its users choice ,its also developers choice .
Both Cyanogen and MIU are well posted if you look .
personally i dont rate either of them .
jje
paolo599 said:
I was just wondering, why are there so many stock ROMS in the development section. Dont people here like cyanogenmod roms and miui roms? i am thinking of getting this phone in 2 days
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I can't stand miui roms and imo cm7 is not as good as (modified) stock
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I think its because stock isn't that modular in terms of customizations (they need to change framework apks in /system). Also, you change a kernel a custom rom pops up. Add some icons another one gets added. Change theme colors, yet another one. Its a function of the possible number of combinations.
With cm its mostly barebones. One official kernel also. And theme chooser. Instead of actually downloading a whole ROM with a few tweaks to colors and icons, you just download a theme (which installs as an app and you can change without flashing).
Lastly, stock integrates so much better with the hardware and is actually quite nice. Was running it from when I got my phone up until a few weeks ago.
Lately I just found it to be a bit bulky. So now I'm on insanity ii based on cm7 which is super light.
There are some cm7 based roms, insanity and oxygen.
As cm7 is still beta they don't want people building custom kernels yet, due to the extra load it would put on them due to stupid people reporting bugs in the custom kernels to them.
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I just bought this phone the other day, after having an HTC Inspire for over a year. I really enjoyed the benefits of it being a sister phone of the Desire HD, such as really phenomenal ROM development.
I know that there aren't any sources released for this phone, but after using LordClockan's Ice Cold Sandwich, I just can't get used to this TouchWiz.
If anyone has started a project, I can help out with anything that I can.
If not, would anyone here like to try & help out?
My ROM building knowledge is non existent, but I'm dedicated to get this going.
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I sure hope so! I loved existz work on the Inspire!
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I sure hope so! I loved existz work on the Inspire!
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Him, TwistedUmbrella, and LordClockan's teamwork is a testament to the wonderful community her at XDA!
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I hope it's comming!
Have you tried the ICS roms that we DO have? They're not AOKP; but they run the AOSP stock apps and they've been themed well enough to be pretty damn close -- all while maintaining full s-pen capability, which is something even the CM9 folks can't claim yet (they don't have button functionality)...
Need kernel source first!!
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Have you tried the ICS roms that we DO have? They're not AOKP; but they run the AOSP stock apps and they've been themed well enough to be pretty damn close -- all while maintaining full s-pen capability, which is something even the CM9 folks can't claim yet (they don't have button functionality)...
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I hate to disagree but they arent even close (no offense to current devs, this isnt their fault).
S-pen functionality needs either the source from Samsung or a new driver has to be written from scratch, which isnt worth the time or effort considering that Samsung likely will soon be releasing source for ICS (usually a few weeks after the OS is officially released).And, if he rumors are true, ICS should be official soon (however, to be clear, I dont believe ICS is coming any time soon).
The reason these other roms have S-Pen support is, surprise surprise, they COPIED large sections of code from the stock leaked release, where, conveniently, everything ALREADY WORKS!!
Stock apps will almost always work on ANY rom with little to no modification required, regardless of whether they are from an AOSP rom.
The current roms are heavily based on the leaked ICS rom with only small tweaks universal between nearly all roms, things like themes, lockscreens, sounds, animations, etc. are all pretty simple if you know what you are doing (something admittedly, I have not personally built a rom but Im very familiar with the process).
When Cyanogen (or possibly AOKP, Im not familiar with their roms and how they are developed) is released, we will begin to see true rom development begin to happen. Until there is source code from Samsung, we will continue to see roms with Touchwiz all over them.
To show you how easy this is, here is a link to have a bot build a rom for you for any of the Galaxy 1 or 2 phones.
http://romkitchen.org/
Click your phone choice (Galaxy 1 or 2 currently, the Note is NOT supported yet).
Click Generator in the upper right hand corner.
Use the six tabs across the top of the page to choose your Modem, Kernel, Theme, stock apps, etc.
Of course, this only gives you a base to work with, from there, its pretty easy to swap in or out what you want.
Think about it like this, I can give you a copy of Windows already pre-configured for your PC and them or customize it just by changing some registry entries and including the data files (wallpapers for example). The included drivers would be pre-built meaning that 'I' didnt actually write them, nor did I change much in Windows, all I did was provide the files containing the data and changed a few settings to link to the files.
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Need kernel source first!!
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Not entirely true. I know some ICS roms that have been hacked to death to get at least partial functionality.
I'm thankful that some devs have taken their time to do what they have done, but what I am looking for hasn't been done.
AOKP is like AOSP, but more tweaks are added.
[edit] As for myself, I could care less about S Pen support. I haven't even used it, nor do I think I ever will. I got this phone for the monster sized screen.
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I hate to disagree but they arent even close (no offense to current devs, this isnt their fault).
S-pen functionality needs either the source from Samsung or a new driver has to be written from scratch, which isnt worth the time or effort considering that Samsung likely will soon be releasing source for ICS (usually a few weeks after the OS is officially released).And, if he rumors are true, ICS should be official soon (however, to be clear, I dont believe ICS is coming any time soon).
The reason these other roms have S-Pen support is, surprise surprise, they COPIED large sections of code from the stock leaked release, where, conveniently, everything ALREADY WORKS!!
Stock apps will almost always work on ANY rom with little to no modification required, regardless of whether they are from an AOSP rom.
The current roms are heavily based on the leaked ICS rom with only small tweaks universal between nearly all roms, things like themes, lockscreens, sounds, animations, etc. are all pretty simple if you know what you are doing (something admittedly, I have not personally built a rom but Im very familiar with the process).
When Cyanogen (or possibly AOKP, Im not familiar with their roms and how they are developed) is released, we will begin to see true rom development begin to happen. Until there is source code from Samsung, we will continue to see roms with Touchwiz all over them.
To show you how easy this is, here is a link to have a bot build a rom for you for any of the Galaxy 1 or 2 phones.
http://romkitchen.org/
Click your phone choice (Galaxy 1 or 2 currently, the Note is NOT supported yet).
Click Generator in the upper right hand corner.
Use the six tabs across the top of the page to choose your Modem, Kernel, Theme, stock apps, etc.
Of course, this only gives you a base to work with, from there, its pretty easy to swap in or out what you want.
Think about it like this, I can give you a copy of Windows already pre-configured for your PC and them or customize it just by changing some registry entries and including the data files (wallpapers for example). The included drivers would be pre-built meaning that 'I' didnt actually write them, nor did I change much in Windows, all I did was provide the files containing the data and changed a few settings to link to the files.
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I appreciate the explanation, but you're not telling me anything I don't already know. I was just saying that our current roms have been themed/tweaked well enough to look like AOSP, so they're not that bad; and, you don't really have to deal with touchwiz annoyances anymore if you don't want to -- trebuchet, apex, and nova all work well.
CM9 or AOKP they're not, but they're exceptional given the single source-less leak we have right now... and they certainly blow away stock touchwiz GB! lol
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I hate to disagree but they arent even close (no offense to current devs, this isnt their fault).
S-pen functionality needs either the source from Samsung or a new driver has to be written from scratch, which isnt worth the time or effort considering that Samsung likely will soon be releasing source for ICS (usually a few weeks after the OS is officially released).And, if he rumors are true, ICS should be official soon (however, to be clear, I dont believe ICS is coming any time soon).
The reason these other roms have S-Pen support is, surprise surprise, they COPIED large sections of code from the stock leaked release, where, conveniently, everything ALREADY WORKS!!
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Pen apparently works in the CM9 build for the international note. Haven't looked at the source myself yet, but it is probably just the standard wacom driver.
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Pen apparently works in the CM9 build for the international note. Haven't looked at the source myself yet, but it is probably just the standard wacom driver.
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AFAIK, they haven't gotten the button to work yet, but it's promising.
Its going to take a lot kf time and effort and prob a group effort to get aosp or aokp roms for our phone. I believe the reason skyrocket and 989 have it is because they have had a lot of devs working together for long time on it. I can get a booted aosp rom hut no sound no camera no data. So theres a lot of work needed to be done
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hey people whats up!!!
latelly i root my s3 and put custom rom,but when i had the stock rom i remember that it was smooth and fast.
so my question is what stuff you like lots more in the custom rom more then in the stock rom
now i have custom rom but it works same like the stock i cant remember somthing diffrent ,the op write lots change but i dont notice this in everyday use
can you tell me your opinion?
thxxxx
I have been playing around with the custom roms, but found that they were a little buggier than stock and most of the additions in them are available in stock anyway.
Foxhound Rising was my favourite, awesome black theme, and smooth and fast, but as it had no other advantages over stock, I have since put my phone completely back to stock and it's just as good.
All in all I think the custom roms for SGS3 are awesome and almost work perfectly so either way you'd be happy, for me personally, stock is good enough.
Sending out a hell yeah for the SGS3 Devs and their awesome work on this phone
I think it all depends on what features you want to be honest as I think they are both as quick as each other
Well... they do come with handy tweaks.
And many tweaks require deodexed roms so you would have to flash a new rom anyway. Might as well.
Some have cool themes or gives you vanilla ics experience (CM9/AOKP/AOSP).
But currently performance and feature wise... Not much at the moment.
One expects a six month old phone to have faster custom roms than stock but not after a month .
The other factor is that you can start to build the fastest rom on the planet and your thread will be flooded with i want themes i want this i want that posts . So many users want just a pretty rom and seem not to care about much else .
jje
My question is plain and simple. I mean, I do know the benefits of rooting like backing up apps, removing bloatware, over/underclocking and so on. But in my own experience rooting the device and putting a custom rom in it automatically made the device less stable and more battery hungry (for some weird reason) plus added many many bugs which made me question why did I do it in the first place. So I'm asking do you feel any improvement whatsoever while using any custom rom? Or do you use custom rom just because you can?
It has thousans of reasons.. For simple example while every unrooted users rumor "when will come jely bean? I'm tired of waiting!!" Etc.. i run 4.1.1 jely bean on my SGS3 for 3 months.. its enough.
If you like always research for better and better mobile experience, you have to root your phone. Or simply just say yes for your brand's supply.
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My question is plain and simple. I mean, I do know the benefits of rooting like backing up apps, removing bloatware, over/underclocking and so on. But in my own experience rooting the device and putting a custom rom in it automatically made the device less stable and more battery hungry (for some weird reason) plus added many many bugs which made me question why did I do it in the first place. So I'm asking do you feel any improvement whatsoever while using any custom rom? Or do you use custom rom just because you can?
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since everbody is aware that customization can happen better with a custom rom over and above the stock one.
and regarding improvement, well it all depends on what sort of customization u need and accordingly the Custom rom and kernel u choose. which do vary from person to person.
and nobody use custom rom because they can but because they need the same to customize the phone accordingly to there need.
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My question is plain and simple. I mean, I do know the benefits of rooting like backing up apps, removing bloatware, over/underclocking and so on. But in my own experience rooting the device and putting a custom rom in it automatically made the device less stable and more battery hungry (for some weird reason) plus added many many bugs which made me question why did I do it in the first place. So I'm asking do you feel any improvement whatsoever while using any custom rom? Or do you use custom rom just because you can?
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From my experience with my HTC Desire on which I tried a lot of different ROMs you can either:
1) Flash a stable ROM, benefit is that most of the time its faster than stock & includes additional features and is 99% stable. In addition ROMs are improved all the time and new features added that you might not get on your stock ROM or only very late
2) Flash a ROM that is currently under development and not stable, e.g. earlier ICS ROMs for the HTC Desire had features missing and were not very stable
In my case I started with stable ROMs as I need my phone as daily driver, after I got more experienced I switched to (2) and tried the not so stable ROMs as I always like to try new things etc. and you will get all those new features and improvements (sometimes on the cost of stability and or speed).
Basically up to you what you want to do.
For my Galaxy S III I will also start with a rooted stock ROM as currently I do not see that much benefits in the custom ROMs yet (please correct me if I am wrong).
The answer is also plain and simple. Rooting is to unlock your phone for more customisation and some extra features.
Why we need more customisation and extra features? Because we get bored easily and because we can.
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There is a really good article you can read here.
You just get so much more with root. Without root i would have been stock with stock rom on my htc desire and my xoom. The brilliant roms that are on here have provided me with so much more and given me an amazing experience with android.
Not really liking the features list on most of the custom ROMs and my phone is coming in a couple days. I see a lot of useless features added that appear to be the personal preference of the ROM creator.
Looking at reviews of the phone I'd much rather keep this phone close to stock than my crap Note II.
Is my best option to root stock, or are there some very slightly modified stock-based ROMs?
You mean aosp? Stock generally refers to the phone as it was shipped. So why not CM, it isn't far from aosp.
I don't know if the terminology here is different or what but on other devices stock modified is when someone takes the stock ROM and either modifies it at a basic level to improve performance and battery life, or takes it and makes a new ROM based off of it which is pretty different.
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I don't know if the terminology here is different or what but on other devices stock modified is when someone takes the stock ROM and either modifies it at a basic level to improve performance and battery life, or takes it and makes a new ROM based off of it which is pretty different.
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Your looking for something like cleanrom, but that guy jumped ship a while ago. XE 2.0 seems to be your only hope, until kitkat comes out then hope for a new ROM Dev.
Root and debloat.
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I don't know if the terminology here is different or what but on other devices stock modified is when someone takes the stock ROM and either modifies it at a basic level to improve performance and battery life, or takes it and makes a new ROM based off of it which is pretty different.
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D800 here also. Can't say I have seen any stock rom worth bothering with. I was hoping for a deodexed stock rom, but I don't recall seeing any. I adjust my stock phone to my liking with xposed framework, G2 module and a couple other such as advanced power menu.
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Not really liking the features list on most of the custom ROMs and my phone is coming in a couple days. I see a lot of useless features added that appear to be the personal preference of the ROM creator.
Looking at reviews of the phone I'd much rather keep this phone close to stock than my crap Note II.
Is my best option to root stock, or are there some very slightly modified stock-based ROMs?
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OP we are not going there....you see a lot of "useless" features in the ROMs, from the Dev's because it is their ROM they are providing freely to the Community. Now I know you did not mean that, in being ungrateful, but statements like this bring unneeded attention.
But there is nothing wrong with Stock with root....so if that is what you need or desire then so be it.
And to keep the trolling/unneeded posting, Thread Closed.
Merry Christmas.