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Ok guys found this link for you UK guys and girls
Get your free tags
http://www.sony-promotions.com/xperia/
They are only available to 02 customers only.
Dont get why sony didnt just include a couple with all Xperia S's so we could at least try it out.
dibdin said:
They are only available to 02 customers only.
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I filled in a form on that site. It did not stress it was for O2 only
dragon546 said:
I filled in a form on that site. It did not stress it was for O2 only
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It's in the t&c's and limited time offer as well :-(
Unfortunately once they check your details they'll send a email back stating o2 customers only
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Unfortunately once they check your details they'll send a email back stating o2 customers only
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Mine said imei was invalid and to double check. I sent a screenshot of it but not heard back yet. I also emailed customer support asking if the offer will be extended to other networks but not heard off them yet either.
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i bought mine from o2 online and they are saying my imei is not valid.
replied saying my phone is locked to o2 and o2 branded, not heard back from them yet
A bit like Tesco's iPads
This whole story smells a little like the recent scandal with the Tesco offer to sell the new iPad 3 for £49.99
For those who don't know it, due to a 'computer'(?) error, Tesco advertised the wrong price (a 90% discount), a lot of people ordered - and were told that Tesco will not supply at this price. It is still hotly debated in the (social and mainstream) media.
In this case there isn't a price error - just a poorly designed promotion site where the O2 condition is buried in a separate PDF 'Terms and conditions' document (which, naturally, nobody reads) and is not mentioned anywhere on the actual promotion page. Many people - yours truly included - naively filled the form, only to be told they are not eligible.
Despite the 'Sony' domain, this is not Sony - they have their epic gaffes but cannot be so unprofessional. The UK promotion is outsourced (possibly by O2) to an outfit called 'Mad About Handling Ltd' run by a couple, Annabel and Angus Gilmour. Their 'professionalism' shines in that form and website - and in the subsequent handling of complaints.
Some victims may wish to run a retaliation campaign on Twitter and Facebook - like the Tesco crowd, who are currently causing serious reputation damage to the retailer. I wouldn't bother, though -
Just ignore!
maistora said:
This whole story smells a little like the recent scandal with the Tesco offer to sell the new iPad 3 for £49.99
For those who don't know it, due to a 'computer'(?) error, Tesco advertised the wrong price (a 90% discount), a lot of people ordered - and were told that Tesco will not supply at this price. It is still hotly debated in the (social and mainstream) media.
In this case there isn't a price error - just a poorly designed promotion site where the O2 condition is buried in a separate PDF 'Terms and conditions' document (which, naturally, nobody reads) and is not mentioned anywhere on the actual promotion page. Many people - yours truly included - naively filled the form, only to be told they are not eligible.
Despite the 'Sony' domain, this is not Sony - they have their epic gaffes but cannot be so unprofessional. The UK promotion is outsourced (possibly by O2) to an outfit called 'Mad About Handling Ltd' run by a couple, Annabel and Angus Gilmour. Their 'professionalism' shines in that form and website - and in the subsequent handling of complaints.
Some victims may wish to run a retaliation campaign on Twitter and Facebook - like the Tesco crowd, who are currently causing serious reputation damage to the retailer. I wouldn't bother, though -
Just ignore!
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This isnt anything to try and catch people out, on the launch of the Xperia S, stock in O2 stores was supposed to come with 4 SmartTags in the box but Sony weren't able to do so in time for the launch offer, so customers were told to go to that site to redeem the offer. All stock in O2 stores now should come with 4 SmartTags in the box.
maistora said:
This whole story smells a little like the recent scandal with the Tesco offer to sell the new iPad 3 for £49.99
For those who don't know it, due to a 'computer'(?) error, Tesco advertised the wrong price (a 90% discount), a lot of people ordered - and were told that Tesco will not supply at this price. It is still hotly debated in the (social and mainstream) media.
In this case there isn't a price error - just a poorly designed promotion site where the O2 condition is buried in a separate PDF 'Terms and conditions' document (which, naturally, nobody reads) and is not mentioned anywhere on the actual promotion page. Many people - yours truly included - naively filled the form, only to be told they are not eligible.
Despite the 'Sony' domain, this is not Sony - they have their epic gaffes but cannot be so unprofessional. The UK promotion is outsourced (possibly by O2) to an outfit called 'Mad About Handling Ltd' run by a couple, Annabel and Angus Gilmour. Their 'professionalism' shines in that form and website - and in the subsequent handling of complaints.
Some victims may wish to run a retaliation campaign on Twitter and Facebook - like the Tesco crowd, who are currently causing serious reputation damage to the retailer. I wouldn't bother, though -
Just ignore!
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Tesco are suffering serious damage to their reputation over it? I really doubt anybody truly cares as long as they can get everything they want under one roof still.
As for the smart tag promotion, the address for the site was given to customers instore at o2, so there is no logical reason why anyone from another UK network would get the address and try to apply unless your network provided you with the promotional leaflet. So nobody was hiding the o2 clause in the t&c's, it is there, because the offer is only open to o2.
The two stories couldn't really be further apart.
I should point out that I do agree that it is stupid that it is just open to o2 customers. Why have the feature if you won't let everyone use it?!
This was filed in febuary,
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/02/13/ColinvASUS.pdf
It's a class action suit against Asus regarding the tf-201's problems that we have with it's GPS and wi-fi etc..., but it's for U.S. residents.
Last winter, Asus customers in the U.K were offered refunds for their tf-201.
A few lucky owners who bought their primes from bestbuy, staples, amazon and and other major retailers got a lucky break, and were able to get a refund, or an exchange for their primes. But it seems that these stores that gave these refunds or exchanges gave them out of good business practice and had to absorb the full loss, Asus not authorizing those refunds or exchanges.
Realisticly, you cannot expect you local computer store to be able to do the same, these guys work on a 5% to 15% margin maximum.
Here's my personnal experience ; since laste decembre, like most of you, my tablet has never worked really well, especially the GPS wich has never worked at all.
I called the service dept. twice in the first few months I had the tablet to complain about it, they did not offer an RMA, they told me to wait for the ICS update, it would fix everything.....wich it did not like we all know.
Then, up to now, my tablet has been in their service center 2 times to fix the GPS, the weak wi-fi, and a loose power connector....just about everything has been changed in the tablet....the list of parts is astounding. And stil, absolutely no GPS, and no improvement on the wi-fi,( i'm on my 6th different wireless router now !, rewired my modem so I could install the router centrally in the house, got a netgear 6300 )
Before the last RMA,, I talked to a supervisor in California, spent 30 minutes on the phone with him explaining the problems, asking him what other solutions the service center was planning to offer after changing every component in the tablet and even installing ' foil ' on the antennas on the last RMA ?...... demanding that this time they either replaced the tablet with a new one ( mine must have a design flaw ), exchange it with a different model, or refund like Asus did in the U.K......his answer....we wil give you another RMA.................It was like talking to a robot,,,this guy was a supervisor ?
And the icing on the cake came with the email giving me the RMA number........ASUS - North America (NA) is a warranty service center only. Please contact place of purchase for credit, refunds, upgrades / model changes, or new retail box replacement. ASUS does not provide these services under any circumstances..
Ok, so I contact my reseller with a copy of this email...he responds very politely with a copy of his contract with Asus of north america wich states very precisely that Asus is responsable only for warranty services.......but what does waranty cover ?....is a non functionning device broken or badly designed? and how do you resolve the problem then ?
On another note, I must add that on the last occasion, I explained to the supervisor that I am a small business owner...computer reseller. In the last 11 years, I have bought and sold to my clients about 1 400 000$ worth of Asus products. That I was extremely disapointed in the way they were inable to resolve this simple issue, and considering in the future stopping completely buying any of their products for any of my clients, even the ones that requested their brand, considering the fact that the after sale service was inadequate.
Well, yes, I guess you could call it an attempt at a special treatment......but that did not in any way unphase the supervisor.....just gave me anothe RMA number like the good robot he was programmed to be.
So, on a personnal level, I live in Canada, and we have consummer laws that apply to protect consummers against corporate giants like that.
It's called the small claims court. It takes a while, but you can file claims up to 7000$
My tablet is in the service center again.......for the third and final time
If it comes back again with ti's GPS not working, I will follow what our legislature reccomends and send a demand letter with a 10 day delay to give Asus a final occasion to make amends, giving them a choice of either exchanging / refunding / replacing with another model.
After that delay, if no solution is reached, I will file my suit with the Quebec small claims court......it's gonna take a while to have a court date, but that's ok, I'm in no hurry.
I just don't get how Asus figures it's cheaper to spend that much on replacing parts , paying for deliveries, paying to send lawers in Quebec.....it must add up at some point ? is it just me, but it would have been a lot cheaper to just exchage the damn thing ?.....
Anyways, i'll keep you posted on how it goes, maybe it's gonna be a while !
I agree with you about poor quality in wifi, gps, nand and whatever... But I live in Italy and no one of our sellers (neither in other Europen country, as far as I know) has never talk about or agreed with costumers about refund or change with other working product. We had only to fight with asus assistance service that, sometimes, in really unusefull. Unless in Europe, gps issue was well know before comercialization, infact gps feature wasn't even mentioned so we cannot complain about this... Honeslty I didn't bought this tablet to use it like a pnd
But wifi, speed of nand, virtual keybord, are relly awfull....sometimes far from cheaper tablets sold by other manifacturer...or by the same Asus!
Now I'm tryimg to make understand to some dumb guy of asus assistance that I could not upgrade to latest firmware because my tablet don't show serial number anymore...and I haven't erase by mistake. It came back from Asus service without s/n, where I sent in rma 2 month ago. The only answer I had is that I have the last firmware..and this is obviously false!
Here none talk about a class action against Asus, but I hope you Canadian could be more lucky in your fight against Asus, that onceI considered one of the best brands
Well, here in Canada, when it came out, it was clearly advertised with GPS feature. And while I agree with you, even if did not buy it only for that feature, i expect it to work when needed........compare that to the air conditiining in my car, even if i dont use it during the 6 months if winter, when summer comes, and its 100 degrees outside, i expect it not to blow hot air.......and thats exactly what the GPS is so far.....a whole lot of hot air, and nothing else !
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asus rma robots
speed4134 said:
This was filed in febuary,
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/02/13/ColinvASUS.pdf
It's a class action suit against Asus regarding the tf-201's problems that we have with it's GPS and wi-fi etc..., but it's for U.S. residents.
Last winter, Asus customers in the U.K were offered refunds for their tf-201.
A few lucky owners who bought their primes from bestbuy, staples, amazon and and other major retailers got a lucky break, and were able to get a refund, or an exchange for their primes. But it seems that these stores that gave these refunds or exchanges gave them out of good business practice and had to absorb the full loss, Asus not authorizing those refunds or exchanges.
Realisticly, you cannot expect you local computer store to be able to do the same, these guys work on a 5% to 15% margin maximum.
Here's my personnal experience ; since laste decembre, like most of you, my tablet has never worked really well, especially the GPS wich has never worked at all.
I called the service dept. twice in the first few months I had the tablet to complain about it, they did not offer an RMA, they told me to wait for the ICS update, it would fix everything.....wich it did not like we all know.
Then, up to now, my tablet has been in their service center 2 times to fix the GPS, the weak wi-fi, and a loose power connector....just about everything has been changed in the tablet....the list of parts is astounding. And stil, absolutely no GPS, and no improvement on the wi-fi,( i'm on my 6th different wireless router now !, rewired my modem so I could install the router centrally in the house, got a netgear 6300 )
Before the last RMA,, I talked to a supervisor in California, spent 30 minutes on the phone with him explaining the problems, asking him what other solutions the service center was planning to offer after changing every component in the tablet and even installing ' foil ' on the antennas on the last RMA ?...... demanding that this time they either replaced the tablet with a new one ( mine must have a design flaw ), exchange it with a different model, or refund like Asus did in the U.K......his answer....we wil give you another RMA.................It was like talking to a robot,,,this guy was a supervisor ?
And the icing on the cake came with the email giving me the RMA number........ASUS - North America (NA) is a warranty service center only. Please contact place of purchase for credit, refunds, upgrades / model changes, or new retail box replacement. ASUS does not provide these services under any circumstances..
Ok, so I contact my reseller with a copy of this email...he responds very politely with a copy of his contract with Asus of north america wich states very precisely that Asus is responsable only for warranty services.......but what does waranty cover ?....is a non functionning device broken or badly designed? and how do you resolve the problem then ?
On another note, I must add that on the last occasion, I explained to the supervisor that I am a small business owner...computer reseller. In the last 11 years, I have bought and sold to my clients about 1 400 000$ worth of Asus products. That I was extremely disapointed in the way they were inable to resolve this simple issue, and considering in the future stopping completely buying any of their products for any of my clients, even the ones that requested their brand, considering the fact that the after sale service was inadequate.
Well, yes, I guess you could call it an attempt at a special treatment......but that did not in any way unphase the supervisor.....just gave me anothe RMA number like the good robot he was programmed to be.
So, on a personnal level, I live in Canada, and we have consummer laws that apply to protect consummers against corporate giants like that.
It's called the small claims court. It takes a while, but you can file claims up to 7000$
My tablet is in the service center again.......for the third and final time
If it comes back again with ti's GPS not working, I will follow what our legislature reccomends and send a demand letter with a 10 day delay to give Asus a final occasion to make amends, giving them a choice of either exchanging / refunding / replacing with another model.
After that delay, if no solution is reached, I will file my suit with the Quebec small claims court......it's gonna take a while to have a court date, but that's ok, I'm in no hurry.
I just don't get how Asus figures it's cheaper to spend that much on replacing parts , paying for deliveries, paying to send lawers in Quebec.....it must add up at some point ? is it just me, but it would have been a lot cheaper to just exchage the damn thing ?.....
Anyways, i'll keep you posted on how it goes, maybe it's gonna be a while !
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I have encountered these RMA robots,you will never get anywhere with them.I emailed one of the lawyers on the casa and he said Asus would award us $17 for lack of GPS and give us a gps dongle. WOW I'm so excited .F******g assholes.
speed4134 said:
This was filed in febuary,
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/02/13/ColinvASUS.pdf
It's a class action suit against Asus regarding the tf-201's problems that we have with it's GPS and wi-fi etc..., but it's for U.S. residents.
Last winter, Asus customers in the U.K were offered refunds for their tf-201.
A few lucky owners who bought their primes from bestbuy, staples, amazon and and other major retailers got a lucky break, and were able to get a refund, or an exchange for their primes. But it seems that these stores that gave these refunds or exchanges gave them out of good business practice and had to absorb the full loss, Asus not authorizing those refunds or exchanges.
Realisticly, you cannot expect you local computer store to be able to do the same, these guys work on a 5% to 15% margin maximum.
Here's my personnal experience ; since laste decembre, like most of you, my tablet has never worked really well, especially the GPS wich has never worked at all.
I called the service dept. twice in the first few months I had the tablet to complain about it, they did not offer an RMA, they told me to wait for the ICS update, it would fix everything.....wich it did not like we all know.
Then, up to now, my tablet has been in their service center 2 times to fix the GPS, the weak wi-fi, and a loose power connector....just about everything has been changed in the tablet....the list of parts is astounding. And stil, absolutely no GPS, and no improvement on the wi-fi,( i'm on my 6th different wireless router now !, rewired my modem so I could install the router centrally in the house, got a netgear 6300 )
Before the last RMA,, I talked to a supervisor in California, spent 30 minutes on the phone with him explaining the problems, asking him what other solutions the service center was planning to offer after changing every component in the tablet and even installing ' foil ' on the antennas on the last RMA ?...... demanding that this time they either replaced the tablet with a new one ( mine must have a design flaw ), exchange it with a different model, or refund like Asus did in the U.K......his answer....we wil give you another RMA.................It was like talking to a robot,,,this guy was a supervisor ?
And the icing on the cake came with the email giving me the RMA number........ASUS - North America (NA) is a warranty service center only. Please contact place of purchase for credit, refunds, upgrades / model changes, or new retail box replacement. ASUS does not provide these services under any circumstances..
Ok, so I contact my reseller with a copy of this email...he responds very politely with a copy of his contract with Asus of north america wich states very precisely that Asus is responsable only for warranty services.......but what does waranty cover ?....is a non functionning device broken or badly designed? and how do you resolve the problem then ?
On another note, I must add that on the last occasion, I explained to the supervisor that I am a small business owner...computer reseller. In the last 11 years, I have bought and sold to my clients about 1 400 000$ worth of Asus products. That I was extremely disapointed in the way they were inable to resolve this simple issue, and considering in the future stopping completely buying any of their products for any of my clients, even the ones that requested their brand, considering the fact that the after sale service was inadequate.
Well, yes, I guess you could call it an attempt at a special treatment......but that did not in any way unphase the supervisor.....just gave me anothe RMA number like the good robot he was programmed to be.
So, on a personnal level, I live in Canada, and we have consummer laws that apply to protect consummers against corporate giants like that.
It's called the small claims court. It takes a while, but you can file claims up to 7000$
My tablet is in the service center again.......for the third and final time
If it comes back again with ti's GPS not working, I will follow what our legislature reccomends and send a demand letter with a 10 day delay to give Asus a final occasion to make amends, giving them a choice of either exchanging / refunding / replacing with another model.
After that delay, if no solution is reached, I will file my suit with the Quebec small claims court......it's gonna take a while to have a court date, but that's ok, I'm in no hurry.
I just don't get how Asus figures it's cheaper to spend that much on replacing parts , paying for deliveries, paying to send lawers in Quebec.....it must add up at some point ? is it just me, but it would have been a lot cheaper to just exchage the damn thing ?.....
Anyways, i'll keep you posted on how it goes, maybe it's gonna be a while !
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WOW! Earth shattering stuff!! How has nobody submitted this as a news tip?
Asus already gave out free GPS dongles to everyone who has purchased the Prime before and even a bit after the GPS feature advertisement was removed. The Wi-Fi is weak but it works fine. Let it go already.
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WOW! Earth shattering stuff!! How has nobody submitted this as a news tip?
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If you took 2 seconds and read the post, you would have first realized that
1) it's in the Q/A section....so, in fact, it's not a ' tip'....
2) the title is '' Any news on the class action suit '?
Soooooooo, the post is a genuine question. don't get you panties wet !
I know there is a class action suit, i just want to know if there has been a settlement, or any developpement.
And has far as the dongle goes, just to let you know, I requested mine in april, and never got it
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Asus already gave out free GPS dongles to everyone who has purchased the Prime before and even a bit after the GPS feature advertisement was removed. The Wi-Fi is weak but it works fine. Let it go already.
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What do you mean saying "Wi-Fi is weak but it works fine"? If it's weak isn't working fine!
What is wifi good for if do not allow to move to a room 10 meters far from access point (wifi n protocol)??
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Well, here in Canada, when it came out, it was clearly advertised with GPS feature. And while I agree with you, even if did not buy it only for that feature, i expect it to work when needed........compare that to the air conditiining in my car, even if i dont use it during the 6 months if winter, when summer comes, and its 100 degrees outside, i expect it not to blow hot air.......and thats exactly what the GPS is so far.....a whole lot of hot air, and nothing else !
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If you buy a car that has not air conditioned at all, or has a not working air conditioned and you know this before buying that car, than you can't complain with seller if you need in summer but it don't work.
But this, according to me, is not the worst issue in tf201...even if is not a good advertisement for asus and this tablet.
The worst are features that should have to work perfectly, wifi above all.
asus just doesn't give a damn about the customers,
we bought their $500 POS and pretty much they're going f-off now
i given up with the GPS and wifi issue
but my camera has been RMA twice for the same problem (green lines)
now it has happened again, clearly ASUS is doing something wrong and should fix the problem instead of patching it... so it'll break again down the road....
i emailed them all they did was offer RMA
after i explained to them that RMA is clearly not fixing the problem permanently, they ignored my emails since then
posted on their FB, they replied me going "we're sorry that you're unhappy about our product, is there anything i can help you with" i explain it to them, and they ignored me there
like wth is this service? -_-
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What do you mean saying "Wi-Fi is weak but it works fine"? If it's weak isn't working fine!
What is wifi good for if do not allow to move to a room 10 meters far from access point (wifi n protocol)??
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It works fine meaning that you turn it on and it works if you are in a good range of your router. It gets weak when you move far away from it, but Asus never advertised their tablet to have the greatest WiFi strength. Does it make the Prime a bad tablet? Probably, but there is no legal case here, unlike the GPS which simply just didn't work to any acceptable degree, which Asus remedied with the dongle.
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speed4134 said:
If you took 2 seconds and read the post, you would have first realized that
1) it's in the Q/A section....so, in fact, it's not a ' tip'....
2) the title is '' Any news on the class action suit '?
Soooooooo, the post is a genuine question. don't get you panties wet !
I know there is a class action suit, i just want to know if there has been a settlement, or any developpement.
And has far as the dongle goes, just to let you know, I requested mine in april, and never got it
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in spite of the fact I read and understood your entire post, it really didnt deserve 2 seconds. Its another crying the blues because you were not smart enough to return a product you found defective in the return window offered by your retail establishment. This is xda not asus north america. Nobody here should give a damn about product warranty as we should be here to void the warranty. Unfortunately somebody told people like you where a forum named transformer prime exists. stupid google. Not going to get into the reasons for it but YOU SHOULD HAVE RETURNED IT WHEN YOU FIRST DISCOVERED IT DIDNT MEET YOUR NEEDS. That being said if you want a gps dongle I dont really need mine for anything but testing if it works on a rom. PM me and I will mail you mine at my own expense if you promise not to post another waste of space complaint thread. It works very well
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in spite of the fact I read and understood your entire post, it really didnt deserve 2 seconds. Its another crying the blues because you were not smart enough to return a product you found defective in the return window offered by your retail establishment. This is xda not asus north america. Nobody here should give a damn about product warranty as we should be here to void the warranty. Unfortunately somebody told people like you where a forum named transformer prime exists. stupid google. Not going to get into the reasons for it but YOU SHOULD HAVE RETURNED IT WHEN YOU FIRST DISCOVERED IT DIDNT MEET YOUR NEEDS. That being said if you want a gps dongle I dont really need mine for anything but testing if it works on a rom. PM me and I will mail you mine at my own expense if you promise not to post another waste of space complaint thread. It works very well
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Really, nobody gives a damn about product waranty?.......that might reflect your own opinion, not mine, not the majority of people.
So,, next time, just resist waisting your precious time.....' cause you've waisted mine also... .........still no answer to the original question.....'' any news on the class action suit ?
That's all i'm asking
speed4134 said:
Really, nobody gives a damn about product waranty?.......that might reflect your own opinion, not mine, not the majority of people.
So,, next time, just resist waisting your precious time.....' cause you've waisted mine also... .........still no answer to the original question.....'' any news on the class action suit ?
That's all i'm asking
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Apparently you do not understand the title of this website. Developers do things that void warranties in order to bring out the best in the item they are working with. your comments belong here http://www.facebook.com/IHateAsusComputers with other non doing complainers. by the way 2 r's in warranty and no i's in wasted.
A major mess (in my opinion) on the way Nokia handles warranties and repairs/replacements makes all Lumias a no buy for me now.
I bought a Lumia 920 (an amazing black device) in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia while working there. The 920 model wasn’t available in Athens yet and getting it through my MO wouldn’t offer something special in price. After exactly 5 days of the best experience I had with a smartphone, things turned bad. But I wasn’t there. I was already in Peru and starting my 3 weeks in Latin America. A typical life for a modern nomad. Mobility is what keeps us connected to work and family… Right? Nokia has another idea of mobility.
The details of the problem can be the content of another post, a problem that has hit (as far as I understand from the fora) A LOT of users of 920. But this problem made the device unusable: overheating and an empty battery in a couple of hours, a camera that is actually destroyed. I contacted Nokia support online to check how I can visit a Nokia service center in Greece, the country that is my base for most of the time and the only place I can drop a device and pick up a repaired or replaced one after a couple of weeks. The “online” response was that my lumia was not covered by warranty in Greece because it was bought outside EU! Wow! I thought duty free shops at airports all over the world try to sell you something that can only be fixed in their country. You have to go back there. And not just at the airport (airport shops will not accept a device to fix) but outside in the city to find a Nokia service center…
I’m not talking about a TV or something for home use. I’m talking about MOBILE DEVICES. Smartphones that we buy somewhere to use somewhere else in the world. Some of us even spend most of the time outside the country which may be our home country and the country that we bought the device. I didn’t contact Greece because I’m Greek. I contacted Greece because this is the place I can drop the device for a fix. If I was planning to stay for a month in Malaysia, I would be contacting their service center because I would expect my smartphone to be fixed there. I need my smartphone. It’s part of my life. Isn’t it true?
I know another friend (he’s or was an MVP too) who had the same problem but buying a device in Europe and travelling to North America. If Nokia insists on this warranty policy, a “non-mobility warranty” that will make their power users, the ones who travel a lot and truly rely on these devices, switch to other manufacturers not because of Windows Phone 8 which is amazing, not because of the smartphone itself which has technology that really surpasses everything else, but just because of a silly decision of someone in customer services…
Nokia, I’m waiting. Till then, Lumias are perfect but their warranty works only where you bought it. Let’s say the Guadalahara airport while on honeymoon…
PS1: I don’t know how HTC or Samsung handle such a situation. I hope they treat their customers in a better way.
PS2: The criticism above is about a smartphone that costs more than a base salary in my country. I wouldn’t expect Nokia or anybody else to provide the same support for eg. Nokia 100 which sells for €27. I would just throw it to the bin…PS3: I accept that a Lumia sold outside EU is covered by 12 months while in EU by 24 months. I believe this is also reflected in the price difference.
HTC and Samsung are the same way. Pretty much any mobile device is required to be serviced in it's country of origin. One reason is ROHS compliance or also known as lead free compliance. While one country might allow items made with lead, other will not. Same goes for the manufacturing. If the device is made in a lead free country then it is fine for both countries. But if it is made in a country that does not enforce lead free than there is a chance that the service companies equipment can can contaminated by the lead in the device.
Other issues in provider exclusivity and other such things. The bottom line is that most mobile devices must be serviced in the country of origin.
Now you could of course just take it to a branch of your provider you bought it from in another country and just exchange it if such an option exist. If not then you will just have to get it serviced in the country you bought it from. That's just they way things are now.
Most of us don't bother with the service. We just take it to our providers and have it exchanged. Let them worry about how to get it serviced.
Unfortunately, that is quite common practice. Mobile phone is no exception. Here in US, most phones are sold by carrier and serviced by carrier for warranty as well. But there are a few internet shops sell mobile phones imported from Europe. If you buy these phones and need warranty service, you will have to send the phone back to the shop and they in turn send back to Europe for warranty service.
Some companies let you pay extra to have a international warranty (but still have limitations). Some like Pioneer, won't even give you any warranty if you didn't purchase their product from authorized dealers even if you bought in the US.
Warranty is cost and any large corporation will try their best to minimize that cost. Why Nokia should be different?
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HTC and Samsung are the same way. Pretty much any mobile device is required to be serviced in it's country of origin. One reason is ROHS compliance or also known as lead free compliance. While one country might allow items made with lead, other will not. Same goes for the manufacturing. If the device is made in a lead free country then it is fine for both countries. But if it is made in a country that does not enforce lead free than there is a chance that the service companies equipment can can contaminated by the lead in the device.
Other issues in provider exclusivity and other such things. The bottom line is that most mobile devices must be serviced in the country of origin.
Now you could of course just take it to a branch of your provider you bought it from in another country and just exchange it if such an option exist. If not then you will just have to get it serviced in the country you bought it from. That's just they way things are now.
Most of us don't bother with the service. We just take it to our providers and have it exchanged. Let them worry about how to get it serviced.
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Phones should become international warranty based. I had same problem with my HTC while in China. Managed to get to HK to a service centre and got reply that it would cost 300 to fix because it was US phone. I feel your pain. Try to buy phone closest to your home country that is easy to ship to.
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Warranty is cost and any large corporation will try their best to minimize that cost. Why Nokia should be different?
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Because Nokia is a European company and laws in Europe are a bit different... Philips was one of the first companies in the world that supported their products with worldwide warranties.
And all my Thinkpads are covered by worldwide warranty (and service). Because they are business tools for a mobile worker that lives somewhere else every week. I expected the same for business smartphones, especially when some of them cost more than a low-end Thinkpad... And travel more... I'm not complaining about TVs and entertainment systems, washing machines or even cars (although I had a BMW serviced in Switzerland under warranty...)
Well as much as you would like it to be that way, that is just not the way the mobile market works. They, the mobile manufacturers also do not care how much you spent on their device and they don't care that you feel that cost justifies service globally. They have their money from you buying the device. That is all they care about. If they have to service it, it will cost them money so they are going to make it as hard as possible and as less desirable for you as possible to service it. That is why you exchange it and let the companies duke it out. If you did not buy it from a provider that is global and offers exchanges then this is pretty much your fault and something that you will just have to deal with. That is just the way the mobile market operates. It sees it's products and it's customers as disposable and a dime a dozen. Loose one and another drops right in as this market will always be here.
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Well as much as you would like it to be that way, that is just not the way the mobile market works.
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I know exactly how the market operated and how it operates now. I was for 8 years a Microsoft MVP for Mobile Deevices, founded the largest mobility club in my country 12 years ago, worked directly with operators and OEMs to launch new devices and services, have friends in the R&D of all major companies. Working in US and being a customer of Verizon or AT&T is completely different than our case over there. We travel and work A LOT outside one country and the operators are all operating as a different entity in each country. Nokia was ALWAYS the company that you could rely for total support. That''s why they used to be the leader (by far). Things have changed...
There are only a few companies that offer you worldwide warranty and with a lot of those you have to pay extra for it. From what it looks like you won't be able to buy any mobile phones and have worldwide warranty at the moment. So if that is your reason to not go with another Lumia it comes by extension down to not being able to buy any smartphone (as the situation is the same).
I understand that this sucks but it doesn't help to single out Nokia here given that they are pretty much doing the same as everyone else in the industry. Also the title is somewhat misleading given that you DO have warranty for your Lumia phone just that in your situation it's rather difficult to get it to the service center.
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Also the title is somewhat misleading given that you DO have warranty for your Lumia phone just that in your situation it's rather difficult to get it to the service center.
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I agree with the rest of what you are saying but regarding the warranty issue (which is what I'm complaining about - the device is amazing) my case is not a special case. What I say is that all sales on airports and places where travellers are attracted to buy phones should state CLEARLY that the warranty is only valid in the specific country and service has to be done in a city of that country. A duty free shop doesn't get back a phone so even if you are transit through the same airport again, it's not enough. If this is everybody's policy, then I raise a flag saying that this has to change. We managed to change the charging connector for all companies, we can do this too...
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I agree with the rest of what you are saying but regarding the warranty issue (which is what I'm complaining about - the device is amazing) my case is not a special case. What I say is that all sales on airports and places where travellers are attracted to buy phones should state CLEARLY that the warranty is only valid in the specific country and service has to be done in a city of that country. A duty free shop doesn't get back a phone so even if you are transit through the same airport again, it's not enough. If this is everybody's policy, then I raise a flag saying that this has to change. We managed to change the charging connector for all companies, we can do this too...
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Same thing with apple. All products have international warranty EXCEPT mobile phones. I do hope they will be the first one to implement this international warranty with mobile phones.
They are doing this to discourage grey market, so what, importer bought it from e.g. NOKIA also, so it's the same sh**.
Is there anyone who has purchased Xperia Z Ultra Hong Kong version in Hong Kong directly? :laugh:
I have a screen problem as others have, but a little bit different. I want to post the dropbox link, but XDA do not allow me.
I am contacting the Sony Care Hong Kong for service, and they ask me to provide receipt of purchase in HONG KONG.
I bought mine in Hong Kong but I dumped the receipt when I came back to Canada to empty my pocket. And I don't
remember the store name exactly for re-issuing the receipt. You know how Hong Kong looks like. So many buildings and
stores...wow..
Anyway, even I provided my IMEI number, but they still insist the receipt. I don't understand why for this model is just 2 month
old in the world!
So...I am asking the members here.
Is there anyone who lives in Hong Kong? and can you send the receipt to my email? Please?:laugh:
By the way, I will never buy any sony product in my life any more! I never had any problem with Samsung and Apple!!
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By the way, I will never buy any sony product in my life any more! I never had any problem with Samsung and Apple!!
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There are issues with all manufacturers. I've had bad experiences with Samsung in the past, but that doesn't mean all Samsung phones/tablets have issues.
The same goes for every manufacturer out there, and to be honest I think Samsung has got more problems to solve then Sony on global scale
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Had same problem with mine except I got a parallel import from unauthorized retailer in bangkok. Mad that I had a defective phone having spent so much money, I stopped through hong kong (on one of my flights to bkk for work) determined to get the phone fixed. Talked to the manager at causeway bay's service center. I was there for 3-4 hours complaining and telling them how ****ed their no receipt no warranty policy is, especially in this Z Ultra defect case. The best he could do for me was give me a laughable discount on the hardware/lcd repair cost, I paid slightly less than the original 2450hkd repair cost. They couldn't repair it due to "not having parts" in, and just gave me a new phone, which came with a 6 month warranty.
Sorry but sending you an actual real receipt isn't going to work. A valid hkg sony recognized receipt from an "authorized retailer" will have the IMEI number printed on it. I have a second ZU which I bought on taobao which has this receipt and IMEI number printed on it which gives me a 1 year warranty as long as this receipt doesn't get lost.
But I got ****ed by sony on the other unit for buying from a stall at MBK in Bangkok.
Expensive lesson for me. Sorry, I feel your anger and pain, but look at me if you want to know what your options are. Well, you don't have to fly to Hong Kong like I did, but you can wait til the phone gets released in your area, then hit up Sony for the repair bill.
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Had same problem with mine except I got a parallel import from unauthorized retailer in bangkok. Mad that I had a defective phone having spent so much money, I stopped through hong kong (on one of my flights to bkk for work) determined to get the phone fixed. Talked to the manager at causeway bay's service center. I was there for 3-4 hours complaining and telling them how ****ed their no receipt no warranty policy is, especially in this Z Ultra defect case. The best he could do for me was give me a laughable discount on the hardware/lcd repair cost, I paid slightly less than the original 2450hkd repair cost. They couldn't repair it due to "not having parts" in, and just gave me a new phone, which came with a 6 month warranty.
Sorry but sending you an actual real receipt isn't going to work. A valid hkg sony recognized receipt from an "authorized retailer" will have the IMEI number printed on it. I have a second ZU which I bought on taobao which has this receipt and IMEI number printed on it which gives me a 1 year warranty as long as this receipt doesn't get lost.
But I got ****ed by sony on the other unit for buying from a stall at MBK in Bangkok.
Expensive lesson for me. Sorry, I feel your anger and pain, but look at me if you want to know what your options are. Well, you don't have to fly to Hong Kong like I did, but you can wait til the phone gets released in your area, then hit up Sony for the repair bill.
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I think you're right. I may have to wait till the phone gets releases in Canada or U.S. Stupid policy Sony has. They are not the"SONY" in '90s any more. They do not have a common sense. They will lose their reputation gradually if they keep their attitude toward customers like this. I will never buy any Sony product in my life any more. No receipt no warranty for the product released less than 2 month? Nonsense!
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I think you're right. I may have to wait till the phone gets releases in Canada or U.S. Stupid policy Sony has. They are not the"SONY" in '90s any more. They do not have a common sense. They will lose their reputation gradually if they keep their attitude toward customers like this. I will never buy any Sony product in my life any more. No receipt no warranty for the product released less than 2 month? Nonsense!
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This is why I'm glad I live in the UK. The whole "no receipt, no warranty" thing is illegal there. Unfortunately, I'm in India at the moment and am facing similar difficulties in getting a repair/ replacement. Not for lack of a receipt, but because they don't seem to acknowledge a defective "shatter-proof film" as an issue. The oleophobic coating is coming off, which leaves a big greasy splodge right in the middle of the screen - noticeable even when the screen is on. This kinda detracts from one of the major selling-points of the device (the display)... I'm currently being blamed for "scratching" the screen. However. if you wipe away all of the grease, there's a mirror finish and no sign of any marks or scratches on the screen.
I guess refusal to service/ replace devices is how Sony keeps its profits.
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This is why I'm glad I live in the UK. The whole "no receipt, no warranty" thing is illegal there. Unfortunately, I'm in India at the moment and am facing similar difficulties in getting a repair/ replacement. Not for lack of a receipt, but because they don't seem to acknowledge a defective "shatter-proof film" as an issue. The oleophobic coating is coming off, which leaves a big greasy splodge right in the middle of the screen - noticeable even when the screen is on. This kinda detracts from one of the major selling-points of the device (the display)... I'm currently being blamed for "scratching" the screen. However. if you wipe away all of the grease, there's a mirror finish and no sign of any marks or scratches on the screen.
I guess refusal to service/ replace devices is how Sony keeps its profits.
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Mine has vertical lines and duplicated afterimages on screen from the Sony logo when you turn it on. Definitely this is manufacturing defect. I guess LCD (or LED) controller is malfunctioning and being damaged by power goes in and being heated up. I don't know who designed and made the controller, but one thing is for sure. The manufacturing process was managed so poorly. There even didn't seem to be a QA. What an idiot management Sony has...
By the way, is there anybody who knows e-mail address of Sony CEO? I want to send a mail to him.
no.one.at.sony.cares.
welcome.to.globalization 1-0-1.
I'm about send a six page letter to the Verizon VP of retail operations and customer service. I have never experienced more improper behavior by the hourly employees of any company. Before the V10 release I called to confirm that unlimited data customers could buy the phone on the device payment plan on Nov. 15th. I received numerous confirmations over the phone. When I entered the store they had no idea what I was talking about. Fine, put that on Verizon corporate for not properly informing all the stores of what was going on. After many calls a customer service supervisor indicated that I was correct but that Verizon had not updated its own software to make the change in time. I placed the order online that night as the stores had already closed. When I called the next day with another supervisor they again told me I was correct and would make arrangement to ensure that I was given the device payment plan without losing my unlimited data. I arranged to pick up the phone at an official Verizon store. The supervisor assured me that she would follow up after I picked up the phone to make sure everything was correct.
SHADY BEHAVIOR #1 - that same supervisor went into the notes after the call the next day and left an outright lie indicating that she informed the customer (me) that I would NOT be able to buy on the device payment plan until December. The order was canceled and NO ONE notified until AFTER I walked into the store to pick up the phone. My order was canceled without any notification via email or text, so I basically wasted my time going to the store and making all these calls with the supervisor.
SHADY BEHAVIOR #2 - When I called customer service from wihin the store, another supervisor, who said she knew the first supervisor personally, began telling me that I had no order. I emailed it to her and she began refuting the validity of it and when I asked her to give me the status of the order she admitted she had no way of knowing because she had no access to internet orders, which was not her department. Clearly she was just trying to cover for her supervisor friend. I immediately told her to stop wasting my time, now some 30 minutes after first calling, and connect me with a supervisor in the internet orders department ASAP, what she should have done from the beginning. Unbelievable... they see that you are clearly angered and yet they try to blame you the customer for their mistakes.
I returned the phone after I was told that device payment plan would start exactly one week later. On the day I was eligible for the DPP I purchased a new phone. After spending nearly 10 hours and speaking to over a dozen different Verizon employees I wasn't about to come away from the ordeal without the device payment play as I was assured I would.
SHADY BEHAVIOR #3 - In the store the new phone (#2) was handed to me without a screen protector and a receipt was not given to me.
SHADY BEHAVIOR #4 - when I went back into the store to ask for a receipt, and point out that the phone was not working, a employee passed himself off as being "THE" manager. I asked him if he was the store manager and he admitted he was not. He would not provide me with receipt because the store was now closed although many employees were still inside with some customers. He said my receipt information would be available online, which was false. Even the confirmation email sent did not make reference to the model of the phone that was purchased it only made reference to my old phone.
SHADY BEHAVIOR #5 - The next day I returned the phone and was finally given a receipt. This phone also stopped working properly after a few hours! I called a store near my work to confirm if they had a replacement phone in stock and they said they did. I walked over to the store and they said, after finding out it was for an exchange, that they did not have the phone in stock after all. Huh? I drove over to another Verizon store as no one was picking up the phone (??) and as soon as I walked in I asked if they had my phone in stock. They said sure we have it. I asked them to confirm but they would not tell me unless I gave them my phone number, presumably to see if I was there for an exchange or for a new line activation. I told the guy it was for an exchange and he went in the back stock room and, when he came out surprise, surprise they didn't have the phone in stock. I'm tenacious so I walked over to the third Verizon store of the night. On the way over I called and asked if they had the phone in stock, they confirmed that they did and that they had more than one in stock. When I walked in they tried to do the same thing, as soon as I asked if they had it in stock they wouldn't answer unless I gave them my phone number. But this time I had them on the hook because the guy told me over the phone that they the phone in stock and "PLENTY". The employee that took care of me tried to give me the run around too once they saw it was an exchange. She took my phone to the back room to show it to her manager and confirm the equipment problem. I asked her to tell him to come out as I did not want my phone leaving my sight for long. She said he could not come out..... shady. She comes out with a new phone and I ask her to turn it on before she switches over the service as I want to make sure the screen is 100% operational before I have to go through a third exchange. She says she can't take it out of the box without switching over the service. I asked her if they had more than one of the phone in stock in case there was a problem, and without making eye contact she responds with an incoherent "nu uhh" and head shake. I did not tell her that her own co-worker confirmed that they IN FACT did have more than one phone in stock nor did I ask why they were now singing a different tune. Seriously... this is how a publicly traded company runs its retail operations?
To summarize, I was LIED to repeatedly by Verizon employees. Supervisors lied in their notes to cover up their giving out incorrect information. Verizon retail stores make it deliberately hard for your to exchange a phone. I plan to send this letter to the consumer protection agency run by the federal government.
Somehow I find it hard to believe you where treated this badly by VZ. You had 3 brand new defective phones in a row??
I have dealt with 3 different VZ stores in my area & have had excellent/courteous service from all 3. Sure, we where all upset when VZ raised the price of the unlimited data service by $20 a month (I cancelled 3 lines because of that) but that was not their employees fault.
I owned a retail store for over 20 years & your whole attitude seems to me as being one of those customers that is never satisfied no matter how hard they try.
~John
^ Yes I can tell you were a retail owner. To make a blanket statement like "your whole attitude" is indicative of that.
You made not a single mention of the outright lies that were told by the Verizon employees but instead opted to put it on the customer or impugned the customer's integrity by voicing skepticism of faulty equipment without any solid basis for that skepticism. You don't know me, and you don't know the track record of an entirely new phone. Have you visited the LG forums to see those who have had to make multiple returns? Of course not. Yours is the typical management response of Fortune 500 companies that are loathed by the public.
Also, there were two returns for faulty equipment, each confirmed at the Verizon store before a new phone was given. The first return was simply my prerogative to take advantage of the device payment plan, as I was initially told by numerous Verizon employees prior to the initial sale. And secondly you fail to address the point that the stores apparently have unethical motivation to make an exchange of their inventory for another location's sale of hotly sought after phones deliberately more difficult.
And by the way, I worked for a five star hotel, deemed the best in the metropolitan area, all through college where we bent over backwards to ensure customer loyalty and to deliver value for premium services. I had to take written tests for AAA certification to verify that I knew all the latest information required of my job and had frequent training seminars to ensure that we were all worthy of the "best in class" title. Verizon like trumpet that they're the best, evidently they don't visit their own stores very often. You know how well your operation is doing when the customer has a problem, and not just for how well they handle mundane transactions. Can your staff rectify the problem as quickly as possible without further aggravation to customer? But ultimately we're not talking about just dropped balls and incompetence here, we're talking of employees repeatedly making deliberately false statements to customers. That's beyond acceptable.
Sucks to be PorscheOscar.
Is there any chance that the humanity of at least ONE employee would have come forth and done at least half-of-the-right-thing by you if you were presenting a good persona?
But I feel for you ... because of course ... ALL the employee's in the store wouldn't have the same negative attitude and manipulate a computer system because the person in front of them was completely rational, respectful and courteous. It has to be some corporate level decision that was sent through the regional representatives and programmed into the one store to single YOU out and destroy your integrity.
I've been disappointed by some of Verizon's products and also their staff before - but instead of finding a manager within the store that supported someone I couldn't get a positive interaction with, I just drove 5 to 10 miles in any direction and went to a different Verizon store.
Good luck trying to get good service from a Verizon Rep based on the computer notes now!
I've been with Verizon for 10+ years (also have unlimited data). I've been pretty happy with their service. I typically call 611 when I have issues rather than visiting a call. The stores #1 (and seemingly only) objective is to sell devices. They have no interest in handling returns/defects/etc. I've actually called 611 from within a store when a sales rep told me something wasn't covered.
The information they told you could have been true and false at the same time. Did they have several brand new V10's in inventory? Yes. Did they have refurbed V10's in inventory to issue as replacements? No. Most companies will not give you a brand new phone as a replacement. A manager can choose to give you one but that's few and far between. Though Verizon (in terms of the big 4 carriers) is your best bet at getting such replacement.
Next time try calling 611. They'll ship you a replacement and give you a return label for the defective one.
All in all, your experience is still better than you'd expect from AT&T. Wanna test that? Ask a Verizon rep to send you a text or e-mail (written confirmation) of something. They will. I've been fighting AT&T U-Verse since July for a bill that I don't owe. Every month they bill me, every month I call and explain, and every month some rep (or manager) has said not to worry and they've removed it from my account. EVERY SINGLE REP has told me they're not allowed to send any e-mails, texts, faxes, or mail...no written confirmation. I got my first collection letter last week. It's my word against theirs. Sorry POS company!
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I've been with Verizon for 10+ years (also have unlimited data). I've been pretty happy with their service. I typically call 611 when I have issues rather than visiting a call. The stores #1 (and seemingly only) objective is to sell devices. They have no interest in handling returns/defects/etc. I've actually called 611 from within a store when a sales rep told me something wasn't covered.
The information they told you could have been true and false at the same time. Did they have several brand new V10's in inventory? Yes. Did they have refurbed V10's in inventory to issue as replacements? No. Most companies will not give you a brand new phone as a replacement. A manager can choose to give you one but that's few and far between. Though Verizon (in terms of the big 4 carriers) is your best bet at getting such replacement.
Next time try calling 611. They'll ship you a replacement and give you a return label for the defective one.
All in all, your experience is still better than you'd expect from AT&T. Wanna test that? Ask a Verizon rep to send you a text or e-mail (written confirmation) of something. They will. I've been fighting AT&T U-Verse since July for a bill that I don't owe. Every month they bill me, every month I call and explain, and every month some rep (or manager) has said not to worry and they've removed it from my account. EVERY SINGLE REP has told me they're not allowed to send any e-mails, texts, faxes, or mail...no written confirmation. I got my first collection letter last week. It's my word against theirs. Sorry POS company!
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1. I'm glad you pointed out the issue about exchanges vs. Refunds. Note to all: if you are still in your two week return window and have an issue DO NOT EXCHANGE. RETURN FOR REDUND ONLY. They will not tell you if you are receiving a refurbished phone. Demand a new phone. I can't believe I made this mistake because I had exactly this same experience 6 years ago with Droid X. They kept giving me refurbished phones one after the other until I was in my 9th return. Verizon have very poor if nonexistent quality control testing of refurbished phones. I'm going to have to give hard thought to returning this phone if they confirm that it's a refurb, even if I have to eat the $35 restocking fee. Given how the manager of the store couldn't be bothered to leave the back room I have no issue with giving him a return.
2. Yes AT&T is bad, Sprint is Worse and Tmobil I once caught red handed doing something shady on international calls which I reported to the State Attorneys and FCC. But Verizon leads them all for expensive service. The expectation of competent and non-shady service goes up. This all unfortunate because I reward straight shooters with long term loyalty. I would expect this from a fly by night Cell phone company but not an established company with millions of shareholders.
Was the Droid X that long ago? I loved that phone.
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I've never had issues with Verizon by phone conversation. but going to a Verizon retail store is a different story. stay away
I called LG to verify I had a new phone and They said it was. Also, while I was in the phone with them I asked about an issue I was having with a set of refurbished LG 900 Infinium headphones purchased on Amazon. I was told that if you buy LG Bluetooth headphones and have an issue they will send you new unit not a refurbished even though they were refurbs to begin with.
I also called Verizon tech support and they claim that if you go in store for an exchange they can only give you new phones as they don't stock refurbs. If however you make a claim over the phone They will send you refurbished units. Avoid that at all costs if you are in your 14 day return window.
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Was the Droid X that long ago? I loved that phone.
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I keep every phone I ever had in my desk as a little museum. I still have my BlackBerry Pearl..the first must have phone all my friends ran out and switched too, the iphone wasn't the first. But the Droid X was the phone I got when I left T-Mobile just to secure unlimited data. When the iPhone 4 was announced still without 4G, I was Android do good.
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I keep every phone I ever had in my desk as a little museum. I still have my BlackBerry Pearl..the first must have phone all my friends ran out and switched too, the iphone wasn't the first. But the Droid X was the phone I got when I left T-Mobile just to secure unlimited data. When the iPhone 4 was announced still without 4G, I was Android do good.
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I sell mine as soon as a better phone is released. That's how I get to try every new phone that will work on Verizon.
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i'm not sure how you got so far as to preorder on the phone then schedule an in store pick up. I called about 3 times before actually going through with a purchase on my UDP line and making sure every questions was answered. I then proceeded to get the phone picked the phone and color then the person couldn't proceed. I was then transferred and they clearly explained to me the deal after again trying and not being able to proceed while keeping the UDP line. I then had to wait til my pay period ended. 3 days later I went to the store and did the actual DPP on my UDP line.
Sorry you had a bad experience. I usually avoid the stores at all costs.
I've had generally good experiences with Verizon stores, but tend to do my business online, simply because I don't have to worry about being pushed or "pitched" anything. Recently, my wife's LG G4 was caught in a bootloop (showed LG logo, then went black). After 3 store reps fiddled around with it trying to factory reset it (BTW, it said "Modified" on the menu, but none noticed that fact!) As one of them was processing the warranty replacement, another guy walked into the store with a G4 and it was doing the exact same thing! Anyway, I asked them if there was anything else I could do since my wife wanted to take photos for Christmas (this was on the 23rd) and the replacement was shipping 2-day. They did offer for me to buy a new phone, but her G4 is 6 months old. Anyway, they seemed very helpful to me and I've never experienced what the OP did--doesn't mean it can't happen, but I would say it's rare.
As a small side-note to my story, I happened to be shopping at BJ's Wholesale during the day on Christmas Eve. In the store, there's a Verizon Kiosk, which is actually run by Diamond Wireless. EVERY SINGLE TIME I've done anything through them, they've been amazing. I guess it actually helps to have some degrees of separation from VZW! I told the guy what happened to my wife's phone. I asked him if I could buy a phone, then return it within 14 days without being worse for the wear--which he confirmed. He then suggested I "buy" the V10 as it has a better camera, etc. Since VZW had already issued a warranty replacement G4, he said they couldn't cancel it, but he suggested that I do a "buddy upgrade" (I have 3 total lines eligible), which I did. Unfortunately, my employee discount doesn't allow payment plan, so I was out $300 temporarily. HOWEVER, LG is giving a $100 rebate (Visa Gift Card). Then on top of that, the replacement G4 that will arrive shortly will be all mine--I'm hoping to sell it for at least $200, so I will break even in the long run. The Diamond Wireless guy walked me through everything, answering all my pesky questions and ensuring everything was done properly. The best part is that my wife has an amazing new phone and took many great Christmas photos with it. I like the phone so much, I'm thinking of switching to a V10 myself... I may wait to see if/what HTC releases next (usually March) and if it doesn't suit my fancy, I'm a new LG V10 owner.
Hell yeah the VZW stores are shady! I had to call CS for 3 months to get a 50 dollar credit I was assured was coming to me. I've jumped from Verizon since then, same bull**** just different source at this point
My experiences have been just the opposite. The instore folks have been so helpful. The telehelp people were clueless about all the discounts on my account and completely jacked everything up. The store manager did some creative genius and my account got fixed. His creativity cost me $35 but it saved me over $1,000 in the end. Everytime I've been in to the store I've had great experiences. I've been in so much recently that I practically know all the employees by first name. (Lots of $300 trade-ins of $10 phones. Thank Vzw!)
I'm not trying to negate your negative experiences as I've seen upset people in the Vzw store every time I've gone in. I understand your frustration and writing the letter was probably very therapuetic. However, sending it probably won't make one bit of difference. The stores are meant for one purpose and only one purpose, sign up new accounts and do phone upgrades. They aren't there to do exchanges like Walmart. If they give you a new phone then that means there's one less new phone in the store to sell. Verizon is a business in business to make money. Exchanging a phone doesn't bring them any new money. Like it or not, that's the facts jack.
If you haven't sent the letter yet then don't bother. You'll probably get a nasty note added to your file.
Op.
You are whats wrong with america, everytime you think you have been wronged in the SLIGHTEST way, You go cry to the better business bureau or aaa or fbi cia dea, obama, whoever will listen to your little violin playing at your pity party.. ...big red is a big companh, they dont give 2 f's about you or your opinion, and neither does the government agency who has their contracted service through big red... Play the game, or get pegged as a pest...and then treated as such
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I'm about send a six page letter to the Verizon VP of retail operations and customer service.
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You can stop right there. Your post here is already tl;dr.
Time to do some serious editing. Ideally, you'll parse it down to a single page. Two pages is the max.
Beyond that, you're into serial killer manifesto territory. The only reason anybody will read beyond the second page is to see if you're just a kook, or if you're actually a threat and they need to report you to law enforcement.
Itt: people who don't know what a sales quota is,so they're surprised a corporate verizon rep is only concerned with a sale. Their quotas are so high their jobs are quite frequently on the chopping block if they take time to actually help customers with issues like this.
It sucks, but that's why I usually go to authorized retailers instead.
There's always two sides. Funny thing is 97% of the shadiness I've seen from T-Mobile AND Verizon was to benefit me. You probably come off as pretentious and entitled over the phone, same as in text.
Sorry you had to go through all that nonsense but its true if its a Corporate store they do not care about customer service I have experienced myself and have been lied to also , its much better to go thru a 3rd party where they will treat you better or customer service and since all the nonsense with corp stores I always avoid them would rather get the phone on ebay or amazon or even craigslist before I go to a corp store cuz all they are interested in is sales vs customer sevices and I have many friends and family memebers with Verizon that have had bad experiences so I beleive you sir and its a shame that it happens cuz they are a huge corp that should not be acting like that and should try to make the customer happy even though there are some customers out there that are worse than the employees cuz they expect to get their way cuz of that stupid saying "The Customer is always RIGHT" which is also aload of bs,Anyways it works both ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!