FWIW, I have tried GtabCom, Flashback, and Clemsyn/Calkulin6 recently, and I think I am going to stick with Clem/Calk6 (froyo). Here's what I found, and the order of the comparison topics reflects my priorities:
Boot time: quicker on clem/calk6 - takes about 24s from power button press to lock screen
Responsiveness: snappier on clem/calk6.
Stability (FCs, freeze-ups): better on clem/calk6
Video playback: Tied. Even though froyo has HW acceleration, video playback seems to be about the same for the quality of videos that I watch
Netflix: Tied. Available and working on both
upnp: Tied. Access to content over upnp works on both
Web browsing: Tied. HC has a better shortcut widget but Clem/Calk has a snappier browsing experience.
Apps/games: Tied. Everything I play seems to work on both platforms
Flash web games: Tied. Sites like Kongregate seem to work on both.
Flash video: Tied.
Sexiness: HC. HC is WAY sexier than froyo
Widgets: HC. Related to sexiness. Widgets are way better on HC.
Gmail widget: HC. Have not found a decent gmail widget on Clem/Calk
Location: HC. IP-based location not working on Clem/Calk6
Camera: Froyo. Works on froyo but I don't use it
Overall, I would say that in comparing functionality, froyo and HC are tied. HC is definitely better looking, but for me beauty is only skin deep , and speed and reliability are keeping me on Froyo.
Could you run this hw acceleration stress test on calkulin + clemsyn combo and let us know what fps the tablet could get :
http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/
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Thanks for posting.
How about battery life? Supposedly Gingerbread fixed a lot of the battery life problems and HC implemented that. Did you do anything with battery life comparision?
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Could you run this hw acceleration stress test on calkulin + clemsyn combo and let us know what fps the tablet could get :
http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/
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I'm also on Calkulin+ClemsynCombo v6 (an prefer it)...I get 10 FPS...my Windows PC @ work gets 12FPS.
Al
jhermit said:
Thanks for posting.
How about battery life? Supposedly Gingerbread fixed a lot of the battery life problems and HC implemented that. Did you do anything with battery life comparision?
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Good point - I forgot about this in my original post. I think that battery life is much better in Clem/Calk6, and this is also important to me however I don't have any hard measurements to back this up. There are some threads that talk about included apps that reduce battery life in HC.
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Could you run this hw acceleration stress test on calkulin + clemsyn combo and let us know what fps the tablet could get :
http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/
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I'm also on Calkulin+ClemsynCombo v6 (an prefer it)...I get 10 FPS...my Windows PC @ work gets 12FPS.
Al
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Al, thanks for posting the result. I assume that you are using the stock browser ?
People who used HC alpha reported their test results to be between 4 - 12 fps. So it seemed that the full hw acceleration of froyo is not being utilized in browing ?
Could you repeat the test with different browsers, i.e. firefox, Dolphin HD v4.5 and opera mobile ?
Your 12 fps score on the PC is low. A $30 cheap 5450 radeon video card with 1 MB memory could improve the score to 60 + fps and you will notice a significant improvement.
Dave
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Al, thanks for posting the result. I assume that you are using the stock browser ?
People who used HC alpha reported their test results to be between 4 - 12 fps. So it seemed that the full hw acceleration of froyo is not being utilized in browing ?
Could you repeat the test with different browsers, i.e. firefox, Dolphin HD v4.5 and opera mobile ?
Your 12 fps score on the PC is low. A $30 cheap 5450 radeon video card with 1 MB memory could improve the score to 60 + fps and you will notice a significant improvement.
Dave
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Here's the results for Dolphin HD - 12 FPS & Firefox 6 FPS.
Couldn't locate a copy of Opera Mobile...market and amazon show my gtab as incompatible.
Yeah, business PC @ work not much for graphics- shared memory s.cks...your tax dollars @ work (it's a government PC).
Flash web games on Facebook (zynga, CivWorld, etc) are awful on both.
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Flash web games on Facebook (zynga, CivWorld, etc) are awful on both.
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Bejeweled Blitz works fine for me through facebook, played on both Calk/Clem and BC/Clem both OCed 1400
Problem for me is the 'sexiness' of HC makes it very hard for me to go back to my old rom (Beasty/Clem) despite the fact it is noticeably faster then Gtab. Plus you lose out on some great tablet apps like News360.
Reeser,
What other tablet apps do you like since I do like News360 and a number of apps I find are definitely designed for phones instead of tablets.
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Problem for me is the 'sexiness' of HC makes it very hard for me to go back to my old rom (Beasty/Clem) despite the fact it is noticeably faster then Gtab. Plus you lose out on some great tablet apps like News360.
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You gain very little but lose a lot with HC. Mainly NO HW Acceleration. If I have good hardware then I want to be able to get the full benefits it has. HC is definitely the latest but gor GTabs, not the greatest IMO.
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FWIW, I have tried GtabCom
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That's what I use. I prefer an OS designed for a Tablet, when using a Tablet.
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That's what I use. I prefer an OS designed for a Tablet, when using a Tablet.
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Yeah but it's like using a pc with an awesome video card only that he awesome video card is disabled in favor of lame intel graphics.
Just to get a consesus going. I've went back and forth between GTC and Clem/Calk5, I keep going back to Froyo. It may not have all the bells and whistles but it's just not worth it for what I lose in HC.
I'll stay on Froyo until I encounter a must have app that will only run on HC.
Here is the one thing that is detering me from going back to Froyo (and its so minor..)
PORTRAIT ORIENTATION. I WANT MY SOFT KEYS TO BE ON THE BOTTOM.
If Honeycomb would play hulu I would stay there, but I only get sound or video but not both in any of the solutions I have tried....anyone have a working hulu fix for Honeycomb?
I also agree, I also switch back to Gingerbread or Honeycomb due to the buttons on the bottom, if someone could create a utility for this I would probably stay with Froyo. As it is I switch between Beasty's, CM7Tab and Flashback and GtabComb on nearly a daily basis...So conflicted!
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Yeah but it's like using a pc with an awesome video card only that he awesome video card is disabled in favor of lame intel graphics.
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I hear this often, but in my actual use I don't see any issues with overclocked performance in graphics. I must not be playing enough games - I use it for email, reading, browsing, etc. Maybe watch a video now and then (on the far less than 720p screen, watching "HD" video makes no sense)
So, yeah. Whatever floats your boat.
I've been wondering about the hardware acceleration issue as well. It came up in the Illuminate thread, since he's claimed that HA is working on his rom. Folks there have tested some graphics intense games and they worked fine on their system. They can play video with software decoding, so what exactly does HA give us as a benefit.
Can anyone that's running a HC rom please run an Antutu benchmark and report their 2D and 3D rendering results?
the other benchmark test mainly concentrate on CPU performance, not graphics rendering. I had run a Neocore test and got 62.7FPS with Calk/Clem. I've been told that the test is outdated, but if it produces the same results with a HC rom, then we'll know that HA doesn't effect graphics rendering as much as we thought.
Thanks,
Todd Evans
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I've been wondering about the hardware acceleration issue as well. It came up in the Illuminate thread, since he's claimed that HA is working on his rom. Folks there have tested some graphics intense games and they worked fine on their system. They can play video with software decoding, so what exactly does HA give us as a benefit.
Can anyone that's running a HC rom please run an Antutu benchmark and report their 2D and 3D rendering results?
the other benchmark test mainly concentrate on CPU performance, not graphics rendering. I had run a Neocore test and got 62.7FPS with Calk/Clem. I've been told that the test is outdated, but if it produces the same results with a HC rom, then we'll know that HA doesn't effect graphics rendering as much as we thought.
Thanks,
Todd Evans
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Todd,
Antutu v2.1
Flashback 7.1
2d 315
3d 1030
I have switched from samsung LP7 rom to AOSP (F1 GNex) and then AOKP (hydrogen).
and I really love the overall UI smoothness on both, however I did notice that 3D graphics performance is not as good as in the samsung ics rom.
This is very noticeable (low frame rate lag) in games like Modern Combat 3 and ShadowGun..
Anybody knows the reason why?
Note: I did not underclock/undervolt the cpu or gpu
same issue here on all AOSP and AOKP roms i think there is real problem in GPU driver in Aosp OR screen refresh rate and until now not fixed i really hate the fps drops in games i feel like i have a **** device not sgs2
btw if u run antutu when it come in 3d graphic test(knight) in start of test the fps get stuck at 51 fps like 10-15 second then it goes up and in nena mark 2 when u look in the fps meter u can see the fps gose up an down like hell in all aosp roms and the test lag as hell the u will got 46 on sammy rom the test run so so smooth and the fps much better no fps drops and u will got between 52-54 fps
this issue is keeping me on sammy rom but i really like the Aosp and Aokp i really hope it will fix soon
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in nena mark 2 when u look in the fps meter u can see the fps gose up an down like hell in all aosp roms and the test lag as hell the u will got 46 on sammy rom the test run so so smooth and the fps much better no fps drops and u will got between 52-54 fps
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I can confirm this.
Can it be fixed im cm9?
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Can it be fixed im cm9?
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA
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idk there is many things to fix in Aosp roms and most impotent thing is the laggy 3d thing that issue keep away from cm or aokp roms but i really like them
u can ask codeworkx for fix but he will ignore u and i think he is busy with i9100G too as i read in cm thread
btw there is problem with ram too
in sammy rom i got more than 1070 points in aosp only 890 in quadrant i got more than 3200 in ram points in aosp 2000
so for now sammy rom is best in every thing performance-stability-for games - etc
in GB the Aosp roms was slightly better in every thing than sammy rom but idk what happened in ics it become the opposite or maybe sammy but some magic in there ics roms
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I have switched from samsung LP7 rom to AOSP (F1 GNex) and then AOKP (hydrogen).
and I really love the overall UI smoothness on both, however I did notice that 3D graphics performance is not as good as in the samsung ics rom.
This is very noticeable (low frame rate lag) in games like Modern Combat 3 and ShadowGun..
Anybody knows the reason why?
Note: I did not underclock/undervolt the cpu or gpu
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yahyoh said:
idk there is many things to fix in Aosp roms and most impotent thing is the laggy 3d thing that issue keep away from cm or aokp roms but i really like them
u can ask codeworkx for fix but he will ignore u and i think he is busy with i9100G too as i read in cm thread
btw there is problem with ram too
in sammy rom i got more than 1070 points in aosp only 890 in quadrant i got more than 3200 in ram points in aosp 2000
so for now sammy rom is best in every thing performance-stability-for games - etc
in GB the Aosp roms was slightly better in every thing than sammy rom but idk what happened in ics it become the opposite or maybe sammy but some magic in there ics roms
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Enviado do meu GalaxyS2 usando Tapatalk 2.1
maybe you can get driver sources from samsung so codeworkx can work on them
other wise you have to live with it
sadly samsung doesnt provide sources besides kernel
in fact no manufacturer does
which is the biggest drawback in aosp rom or phones like s2
but the advantages out weight the problems aosp ftw
what the hell the thread moved to Q&A thanks for mod now no one will see it
So it's a driver problem I assume ?
AOKP & CM9 roms are slow compare to AOSP & Sam roms. I usualy get 59.8 fps on antutu benchmark at knights where as on AOKP & CM9 roms it doesn't go beyond 54-56 fps. IMO try 4.0.3 roms instead of 4.0.4 ! You will feel the difference.
And one more thing try Siyah 3.0.0rc1 - 3.0.1. (Device gets quite hot but it gives you nice fps on HD games like MC3,Shadowgun, Asphalt 6).
I know AOKP & CM9 have lots of nice tweaks but they are not yet optimized & have some touch problems likr when you swipe left it goes right etc )
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AOKP & CM9 roms are slow compare to AOSP & Sam roms. I usualy get 59.8 fps on antutu benchmark at knights where as on AOKP & CM9 roms it doesn't go beyond 54-56 fps. IMO try 4.0.3 roms instead of 4.0.4 ! You will feel the difference.
And one more thing try Siyah 3.0.0rc1 - 3.0.1. (Device gets quite hot but it gives you nice fps on HD games like MC3,Shadowgun, Asphalt 6).
I know AOKP & CM9 have lots of nice tweaks but they are not yet optimized & have some touch problems likr when you swipe left it goes right etc )
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what u mean by AOSP
as i know AOSP is cm9 or F1 rom
N.O.V.A 3 is playable. But pretty laggy when it comes to being played on CM7 Alpha. The gameplay is not smooth and becomes slow when facing the special effects and motion blur. In my opinion I don't think it's worth buying. Does anyone know if it runs faster on CM9?
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N.O.V.A 3 is playable. But pretty laggy when it comes to being played on CM7 Alpha. The gameplay is not smooth and becomes slow when facing the special effects and motion blur. In my opinion I don't think it's worth buying. Does anyone know if it runs faster on CM9?
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there is no way it can run faster on cm9 because cm9 lacks hardware acceleration
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there is no way it can run faster on cm9 because cm9 lacks hardware acceleration
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Actually, the CM9 nightly builds include hardware acceleration, so it can be tested to see if it is faster (if you can get it to run before your device randomly reboots).
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Actually, the CM9 nightly builds include hardware acceleration, so it can be tested to see if it is faster (if you can get it to run before your device randomly reboots).
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Yeah I knew that, I was under the assumption that the OP wanted to run NOVA 3 under a stable CM9 release aka the 2.6.x kernel based CM9.
Hello everybody ! Basiclly i want to ask if it would be a good idea to try disabling CPU rendering for a GB rom? Im currently on CM10 but really cant use it too much cause some games like Fruit ninja force close and cant even listen to music whatsoever. But the main thing that i dont like about GB roms is that they are very slow compared to CM9 or CM10. Would disabling CPU rendering make a difference? People say it makes a big difference .
It's probably possible, but I don't have the slightest idea on howto do it.
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Hello everybody ! Basiclly i want to ask if it would be a good idea to try disabling CPU rendering for a GB rom? Im currently on CM10 but really cant use it too much cause some games like Fruit ninja force close and cant even listen to music whatsoever. But the main thing that i dont like about GB roms is that they are very slow compared to CM9 or CM10. Would disabling CPU rendering make a difference? People say it makes a big difference .
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No 2D GPU rendering is available on GB. All GUI is rendered by CPU. So turning that off would leave you a black screen (except in games).
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HW acceleration was introduced in Honeycomb. Only the CPU is used for 2D rendering on earlier versions
I love trying out all the new ICS and JB ROMs on my x10 (which isn't my primary phone) but because of the low frame rate it seems very laggy (probably seems laggier than it actually is)
On the GB ROMs the frame limit was unlocked to 60fps and everything seemed so much more responsive and fluid, is there any way to do this on any of the CM9/CM10 ROMs?
Are we talking FPS in gaming or are we talking about FPS in videos..or are we talking about both?
Or are we talking screen display and scrolling reaction time?
Videos.
FPS2D returns 54FPS on stock GB 2.3.3
FPS2D returns 43FPS on JB 4.1.2 CM10
My understanding is that anything that is not using a standard GB 2.3.3 ROM will not be able to use GPU 2D Hardware Acceleration.
2D HW Acceleration for the XPERIA X10i is not included in any CyanogenMod Build and I don't know off any other ICS of JB build that has HW acceleration enabled for the XPERIA X10i.
This means outside of the stock GB 2.3.3 ROM playing a .mkv 720p (H264,AC3) video would be worse in JB and ICS than on stock GB 2.3.3
A JB and ICS build uses the CPU to provide the video encoding only and does not solicit the GPU to offload processing to speed up performance/viewing/smoothness/lag.
Gaming
Now this one is less clear(to me).
If I use the Game demo of Epic Citadel as a Benchmark we see the following:
Stock GB 2.3.3 - Epic Citadel: 11.2FPS on performance
CM10 JB 4.1.2 - Epic Citadel: 11FPS on performance
So there is nothing in it.
Some gaming engines can make use of Adreno 200 GPU hardware features like hardware floating point and etc, but it's not clear if they do or not.
I can play Modern Combat 4 on my GB 2.3.3 (DoomKernel v6) XPERIA X10i. For me there is noticeable lag at points, but still very playable if you're not planning to upgrade to a new phone (XPERIA V) any time soon.
I have not attempted to play MC4 on JB or ICS XPERIA X10i ROM.
Note - MC4 plays a little bit better on an XPERIA LT26i with Overclocked CPU and Overclocked GPU though.
Summary
My understanding is that there is no GPU HW features available on any XPERIA X10i ROM for the Adreno 200 GPU outside of the Stock GB 2.3.3 ROM.