I'm sure this has been covered but I couldn't find any threads, so please forgive me for rehashing something if I have missed it.
What is the difference between a desensed rom and an AOSP rom? I thought the only difference between a sense ROM and AOSP was the Sense launcher. If you remove this, wouldn't you just have AOSP type ROM?
Thanks for any help you can give me.
Unfortunately not. The Sense launcher (known as Rosie) is but one piece of the Sense framework. The Sense framework affects the entire UI of the device (status bar, settings page, lockscreen, the list is a tad long...) as well as features that are "below" the UI so to speak, like system settings and the kernel. I'm not really sure what goes into (or out of) a ROM to "desense" it, but it's probably just some theming and removing some of the default Sense apps like the launcher and lockscreen in favor of more AOSP-like alternatives. This doesn't mean that the device isn't running Sense, though, it just means it's a bit harder to see it
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Unfortunately not. The Sense launcher (known as Rosie) is but one piece of the Sense framework. The Sense framework affects the entire UI of the device (status bar, settings page, lockscreen, the list is a tad long...) as well as features that are "below" the UI so to speak, like system settings and the kernel. I'm not really sure what goes into (or out of) a ROM to "desense" it, but it's probably just some theming and removing some of the default Sense apps like the launcher and lockscreen in favor of more AOSP-like alternatives. This doesn't mean that the device isn't running Sense, though, it just means it's a bit harder to see it
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You can run an alternative launcher what will give you the look, but not more.
If you desense your ROM using Romcleaner, you use an alternative launcher and some parts of the ROM ( apk ) are cleaned, but there are still sense elements.
But it is much faster ...
NasaGeek said:
Unfortunately not. The Sense launcher (known as Rosie) is but one piece of the Sense framework. The Sense framework affects the entire UI of the device (status bar, settings page, lockscreen, the list is a tad long...) as well as features that are "below" the UI so to speak, like system settings and the kernel. I'm not really sure what goes into (or out of) a ROM to "desense" it, but it's probably just some theming and removing some of the default Sense apps like the launcher and lockscreen in favor of more AOSP-like alternatives. This doesn't mean that the device isn't running Sense, though, it just means it's a bit harder to see it
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Thanks. So a desensed rom is only going to look different than a sense rom. It might look like AOSP, but the core sense components will still be there using memory and battery. I was wondering if a desensed ROM offered any improvements in memory usage or battery life, but I'm guessing not since just changing a launcher shouldn't do much for anything but looks.
badtlc said:
Thanks. So a desensed rom is only going to look different than a sense rom. It might look like AOSP, but the core sense components will still be there using memory and battery. I was wondering if a desensed ROM offered any improvements in memory usage or battery life, but I'm guessing not since just changing a launcher shouldn't do much for anything but looks.
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It won't look like an aosp rom either. It will look no diffrent to using a diffrent launcher on stock rom. But without sense in the background using up resources.
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AndroHero said:
It won't look like an aosp rom either. It will look no diffrent to using a diffrent launcher on stock rom. But without sense in the background using up resources.
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Are you saying a desensed ROM does use less resources and power even though it isn't AOSP?
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Does anyone know of a vanilla Rom with the sense people?
or is there any way to port the sense people to vanilla roms?
there's an app for ADW launcher
http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.mjdev.people
liljom said:
there's an app for ADW launcher
http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.mjdev.people
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i meant the contacts, not the widget. the dialer and contacts which is call contacts on vanilla but people on sense. i do not like the layout of the contacts on vanilla.. is there anyway like import the sense people over or something?
These types of questions are asked so often....
the answer is no, definately not, never will, never can. You need all the htc frameworks for it to run, and to have those the rom needs to be sense based.
shinyfong said:
i meant the contacts, not the widget. the dialer and contacts which is call contacts on vanilla but people on sense. i do not like the layout of the contacts on vanilla.. is there anyway like import the sense people over or something?
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Try Dialer One from market or aTAKEphONE. Last is paid app and first is free. They have kind of sense-like-dialer suggesting names while typing numbers or t9 letters.
your only option is a sense rom that has had most of the other sense stuff ripped out of it.
like superhero 2 (by the villain team) or similar.
Couldn't you just use a sense rom and then use the default android home? That's give you the htc framework and the vanilla interface.
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the ones with much of the other sense stuff ripped out actually do perform faster than full sense roms just running a different launcher. it's strange, but true. It hink sense must run a bunch of background processes or something that aren't absolutely necessary for the most useful sense stuff to still be available (like the people app etc).
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the ones with much of the other sense stuff ripped out actually do perform faster than full sense roms just running a different launcher. it's strange, but true. It hink sense must run a bunch of background processes or something that aren't absolutely necessary for the most useful sense stuff to still be available (like the people app etc).
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how do we rip out such sense stuff?
and how so we change the colour of the dailer? and the contacts
With all the people out there interested in getting rid of the sense features on their phone and going full aosp.
I think it would be cool to strip down a sense rom and replace the sense features with mock sense applications. I for one know that you can get a mock sense 3.0 lockscreen and you can make your home screen look pretty close to sense with some fancy widgets and adw ex launcher. I would like to keep the quick settings bar as well, but strip it down some and add the pull down settings like aosp, but keep the task manager thingy. That's pretty cool to me.
Anyone up to the task of putting that one together?
There's already two I think like that, but suggest it in the appropriate ROM threads where the devs ask for ideas.
EDIT: Yea senseless and supra I think has what your looking for.
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There's already two I think like that, but suggest it in the appropriate ROM threads where the devs ask for ideas.
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Thank You. Will do.
So you want to take the sense applications out of sense and replace them with applications that aren't sense but look like sense?
Dialer one can be made to look a lot like the sense dialer, and with a lot more options and customization.
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So you want to take the sense applications out of sense and replace them with applications that aren't sense but look like sense?
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Just a random idea. I've seen others do it with the EVO 4g. Supposedly makes it faster. I'd like to see it. That's all.
Ive been looking through peoples themes and what not and Im curious as how to change icons and screens, is it a skin or is it the rom or what? Just for example i like how some people have the circle battery instead of the battery icon and things like that, if someone could help me out id appreciate it alot. Thanks in advance
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Ive been looking through peoples themes and what not and Im curious as how to change icons and screens, is it a skin or is it the rom or what? Just for example i like how some people have the circle battery instead of the battery icon and things like that, if someone could help me out id appreciate it alot. Thanks in advance
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Things like the circle battery and anything on the taskbar are either going to be part of a rom or a theme. You can do them individually yourself but you would have to do some research on theming. You also need to be rooted with s-off. If you like a more stock look rather than sense launchers like launcher pro from the market offer a lot of themes and icon packs that can be installed with or without root.
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Things like the circle battery and anything on the taskbar are either going to be part of a rom or a theme. You can do them individually yourself but you would have to do some research on theming. You also need to be rooted with s-off. If you like a more stock look rather than sense launchers like launcher pro from the market offer a lot of themes and icon packs that can be installed with or without root.
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Im currently rooted S-Off running Bamf 3.0 Sence RC4.9 what exactly are launchers? Sorry just trying to figure out what everything is...
A launcher is what runs the whole user interface. Home screens, dockbars, icons, and shortcuts. HTC phones comes with sense. (except the g1, g2, and nexus 1) Sense is actually more than just the launcher its a while UI overlay. Sense's launcher is really called rosie but that's not really important here unless you are planing on learning to theme. If you look in the market there are launchers like Launcher Pro, ADW, and their variants plus many more. Just search launchers and try one out. When you press your home button it will let you choose sense or whichever other launcher you have installed. If you try one just read the instructions and play around with it. Plus search the market for themes built for the launcher you d/l. (for example...search ADW themes in the market) Everything on your sense screens will remain the same. If you want to stick with sense 3.0 that comes with BAMF 3.0 try some BAMF themes. I would check out rootzwiki or teambamf.net. I doubt you will find them here.
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I'm running th3ory now.... not sure what version I think its the newest one out
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Is there anyway to completely remove sense from the flyer?
Or a rom that is just stock honeycomb without sense?
I'm talking about everything, even the menus.
Possible, but lots of work and not likely. No benefit to it,
The so called stock, AOSP ROM is a myth. There is no such thing. No functional ROM without the hardware vendors files and code that interface the hardware to the rest of the OS. What Google produces as Android runs on no actual device , none , nada. It's only the GUI and API. Leaving the kernel, and drivers and radio sections at a minimum to the hardware builders.
Thanks for the quick reply. Just didn't want to waste time if it wasn't a simple rom
The following custom ROM removes some Sense elements. As I haven't tried it myself, don't know if the menus are re-themed to look more AOSP.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1411170
As already mentioned, the Sense framework is deeply integrated into the ROM, so removing it is a lot of work, as is porting in vanilla Android elements.
But my main point is that it gains you nothing and lose lots (pen, notes integration, widgets). No speed, no memory (we got lots) . and you can have the look without doing anything hard, you don't even need to root.
I already got your main point. No need to rehash it. I agree the the Flyer has enough CPU and memory muscle to run Sense smoothly, which was not the case with past devices, especially phones (but even newer phones are starting to have the specs to run Sense very smoothly). But many people just don't like the Sense aesthetics and prefer the Vanilla Android look. I was just addressing the original question by the OP.
For some reason, I like the look of stock HC much better. It's sleeker. Sense is very bubbly looking.
Also, it's very annoying that I'm missing the core android apps like email, calendar, internet.
The menus in HC look much sleeker than sense, which is cluttered with large fonts
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Possible, but lots of work and not likely. No benefit to it,
The so called stock, AOSP ROM is a myth. There is no such thing. No functional ROM without the hardware vendors files and code that interface the hardware to the rest of the OS. What Google produces as Android runs on no actual device , none , nada. It's only the GUI and API. Leaving the kernel, and drivers and radio sections at a minimum to the hardware builders.
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Correct me if im wrong but isnt CM stock AOSP? then again you may be right cause CM9 sounds soo good it might as well be mythical lol
If you do a little research you will find that you can customize the fonts and backgrounds and many other aspects of sense or any launcher you choose. You can also switch launchers if you like, even on the fly. You don;t need a new ROM to do that. its personal preference, but I love the Sense widgets and for me , they do more and function better than stock which I find boring and for example stock email, not very good.
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Correct me if im wrong but isnt CM stock AOSP? then again you may be right cause CM9 sounds soo good it might as well be mythical lol
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OK let me correct you. CM7 and now CM9 are far far from stock. That was the intent and that is their appeal. They are based around non-stock launchers, ADW for CM7 and Tribuche for CM9 and have countless mods, additions and special features that are not stock.
And Motorola CEO (now owned by Goggle) has declared that the "mythical AOSP ROM does not exist" and nobody wants boring stock Andorid devices.
So it must be true......
At any rate , expect Google to add in even more vendor customization hooks so that vendors can differentiate their products.
In my opinion the sense launcher is just better than the stock hc. I like stock browser more than HTC browser, as well as keyboard. So I switch out the bits and pieces I like. There will never be an asop room for this device. To each his or her own but the pieces to modify your set up are available if you look. Pick and choose what fits your preference
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The sense widgets aren't resizable, that's their main issue.
I do like the HTC launcher though.
Any suggestions on how to get the stock menus? Or not simple enough? I know how to load most of the stock apps
Stock menus is not easy, and I do not believe anyone had managed it yet
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stock menus, no, but there is a entire thread on mods and skinning sense on XDA somewhere
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For some reason, I like the look of stock HC much better. It's sleeker. Sense is very bubbly looking.
Also, it's very annoying that I'm missing the core android apps like email, calendar, internet.
The menus in HC look much sleeker than sense, which is cluttered with large fonts
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How do you differentiate between sense and hc? You can't ”uninstall” it, so how what is ”stock hc” and how can/does it look any different?
JB
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I would assume talking about launcher, widgets, and apps like email.
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IF you look at the Acer A100, it uses the stock HC launcher. Not a lot of difference, but you don;t get the Sense widgets, Instead there are some stock HC widgets and some Acer widgets.
If you look in the LeeDroid HC thread, you see that Lee has included the stock HC launcher in his ROM and you cna switch between stock and HTC. There are also some neat tweaks for the app drawer there
For those of you looking for some serious GUI tweaks and lots of options, keep an eye on Paul of MoDaCo fame here on this thread. Once he gives Flyer HC the MRC treatment , you will be in for a treat.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1251165
I'm currently on LeeDrOiD's Gingerbread, rooted and all. I installed "System app remover" and it was easy to remove the Sense lockscreen. After reboot, I now have the raw Android lockscreen. In this advanced app remover, the actual "Sense" is listed, but it warns me that it's a "key module". If I remove it and reboot, will I get freeze and need to re-roll and old Nandroid backup? Just curious. And oh, I'm not really asking for user interface (running different launcher anyways), but it's really more about the fact that rumor has it that the Sense backbone is what's making HTC devices having problem with certain Bluetooth devices, for instance the Wii remote controller, which will not pair as easily on e.g. my Galaxy S3 LTE. On HTC phones, you need to install extra bloat software etc. So, any ideas?
Ok, so I know this is a hugely personal thing, but, will you keep Touchwiz or use a custom launcher?
Personally, I don't like the look of Touchwiz at all. With that in mind one of the great ICS launchers (Nova and Apex) should seem like an easy decision!?
The thing is I am not sure how many of the new features you may lose out on by giving up on Touchwiz... will features like SmartAlert and SmartStay still work?
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Ok, so I know this is a hugely personal thing, but, will you keep Touchwiz or use a custom launcher?
Personally, I don't like the look of Touchwiz at all. With that in mind one of the great ICS launchers (Nova and Apex) should seem like an easy decision!?
The thing is I am not sure how many of the new features you may lose out on by giving up on Touchwiz... will features like SmartAlert and SmartStay still work?
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I as well will be changing the launcher. Yes, your extra Touchwiz like features will remain (ie SmartStay, SmartAlert, and the redesigned apps such messaging and the settings and the drop down notification shade) as those are baked into the firmware. The only you thing you might (and probably WILL) be losing are your Touchwiz widgets and from past experience with them that's not a deal breaker at all.
I will say one thing as someone who's deciding between the HOX and the SGSIII that I'm a bit disappointed that Touchwiz hasn't matured quite the same way that Sense has. Sense just plain looks nicer and you can clearly see the ICS undertones. I feel like ICS has been buried beneath Touchwiz. And I don't like that :-(
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I always use Go Launcher EX on any of my phones
In all honesty I'll either stick with touchwiz or use spb shell 3d which I already have on my tablet.
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Depends on if it finally able to sort apps by alphabetical order.
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I always use Go Launcher EX on any of my phones
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+1000 GoEx on all our devices.
Nova launcher ftw
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I've used various launchers but nothing covers up Touch wiz completely, which is why I use custom roms.
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I've used various launchers but nothing covers up Touch wiz completely, which is why I use custom roms.
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So what elements of touchwiz remain after changing launcher?
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So what elements of touchwiz remain after changing launcher?
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none. unless he means the theme itself.
I used a custom launcher on my S2. However looking at Touchwiz on the S3, I quite like it. It looks alot nicer.
I`ll probably keep it until I want more options and theming.
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I used a custom launcher on my S2. However looking at Touchwiz on the S3, I quite like it. It looks alot nicer.
I`ll probably keep it until I want more options and theming.
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I think that's exactly it. I am judging it before I have had time with it. My new approach will be to keep it until I don't like it!
Depends on two factors:
1. How good the tw widgets are (some of them are good!)
2. Whether I need more ram (tw is a memory hog), and whether tw is butter smooth (I'm guessing this iteration is!).
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Depends on two factors:
1. How good the tw widgets are (some of them are good!)
2. Whether I need more ram (tw is a memory hog), and whether tw is butter smooth (I'm guessing this iteration is!).
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i never put a custom gb rom on my gs2, but i have put the att leak and now aokp on it. i have less memory now than i did with stock att plus tw. my experiences may very well vary from others.
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I as well will be changing the launcher. Yes, your extra Touchwiz like features will remain (ie SmartStay, SmartAlert, and the redesigned apps such messaging and the settings and the drop down notification shade) as those are baked into the firmware. The only you thing you might (and probably WILL) be losing are your Touchwiz widgets and from past experience with them that's not a deal breaker at all.
I will say one thing as someone who's deciding between the HOX and the SGSIII that I'm a bit disappointed that Touchwiz hasn't matured quite the same way that Sense has. Sense just plain looks nicer and you can clearly see the ICS undertones. I feel like ICS has been buried beneath Touchwiz. And I don't like that :-(
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Tell me, where is the ICS part in the new Sense?
No widgets in the app drawer, look and feel of GoLauncherEx.
wtf!?!
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Likewise. TW will be the very first thing I change when setting up my phone and will be replaced with Go Launcher EX lol
If the phone shows zero signs of lag - I will likely keep the stock launcher. Just rooted to ditch bloat apps.
touch wiz launcher is just a part of all the software customizations packed. if you replace the laucher you will still have the rest of touch wiz package like music player, radio etc etc
If the phone shows zero signs of lag - I will likely keep the stock launcher. Just rooted to ditch bloat apps.
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touch wiz launcher is just a part of all the software customizations packed. if you replace the laucher you will still have the rest of touch wiz package like music player, radio etc etc
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At last someone who knows what they are on about!
@all.......Touchwiz is the whole ui interface, not just the launcher, and it sucks if you have ever been on a CM ROM
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