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Hey everyone. I was wondering if there is a way to set the phone to turn wifi on when the phone sleeps every 20 minutes (for a 2 minute period) so the phone can sync with google voice/ other services (we don't have a data plan).
Here is why I ask. I got a android phone for my wife and she is on a prepaid plan with no data. She is around wifi most of the time. We wanted to cut out carrier texting by using google voice as her texting platform. Currently, If I text her google voice number, she will not see the SMS until she turns her phone on because wifi is set to turn off when the screen is off. I can also change the wifi setting to keep wifi running even when the screen is off, but that seems like overkill (and probably negatively affects the battery life)....So I was looking for a way/app so the phone can turn wifi on every 20 min (for 2 min) so if she has recieved any SMS, the google voice app can sync and alert her that a SMS has arrived.
Thanks in advance.
If you don't mind dishing out £3.99 ($6USD) then 'Tasker' on the market is a great app to control your phones functions. For example, you can have it turn on airplane mode between 00:00-07:00 but have it flip off for a few minutes every hour to sync and recieve texts/calls etc. I use it and it also helps save battery life!
https://market.android.com/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm&feature=search_result
You can modify build.prop file. I'm not sure is that for syncing or scanning networks.
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try ultimate juice, you can make it so that wifi turns on every 5/15/30 minutes for 1 minute to sync.
Has anyone else noticed their Lumia using 3G when it shouldn't be e.g. at home with a working wifi access point?
Mine has done this a few times and because WP7 is so clean and simple it's pretty hard to see what's actually going on - there's no data counter. And to make it worse the data icon shows in the status bar even when wifi is on. Ideally it would show one or the other.
Yes, I notice that too. It could be a bug.
BlitterTwisted said:
Has anyone else noticed their Lumia using 3G when it shouldn't be e.g. at home with a working wifi access point?
Mine has done this a few times and because WP7 is so clean and simple it's pretty hard to see what's actually going on - there's no data counter. And to make it worse the data icon shows in the status bar even when wifi is on. Ideally it would show one or the other.
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Yup, I think it uses 3G when the phone is locked, as the phone seems to disconnect from Wi-Fi when you lock the phone. Another bug that probably needs addressing.
Yes! This affects me too.
It switches to 3G randomly when I'm on wifi and kills my data without me realising (or shows failed page loads when I have full wifi reception).
It also turns off wifi whenever I lock phone which seems to disrupt/cancel all push messages! Push messaging just isn't working.
So is this problem unique to Lumia 800?
i've noticed this too. it'll also present me with wifi hotspots to connect to, including ones it should be connected to.
as of now, i don't know whether it's an issue with locked or unlocked handsets. my handset was bought unlocked with no branding, but i've noticed some of the bugs i'm having don't seem to happen on network locked/branded handsets.
It's not a Lumia thing, it's just how WP works. Turning off wifi to save on battery use I guess. Android has the same default setting, although it allows you to change it.
I can understand it using 3G for background processes, like you say Android does the same thing.
What I can't understand is it using 3G when I am using the web browser on the phone, and the Wifi icon is lit at the top of the screen.
Rusty! said:
It's not a Lumia thing, it's just how WP works. Turning off wifi to save on battery use I guess. Android has the same default setting, although it allows you to change it.
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That's not the case actually, before the firmware update I used to get my notifications, after the update, I don't, I think Nokia did it on the firmware update.
Which firmware was this working in btw?
Oh and turning off WLAN when you have an active connection does NOT save power. It only saves power when there isn't an active connection because the 3G uses more for retrieving background data (eg. regular email, social networking updates) and *much* more for retrieving heavy data. I have tested this on numerous Nokia phones.
^ i got the opposite result - normally i have WLAN turned on at all times, because it always connects to wifi at home and at work. my battery lasted much longer (it lasted the night with 39% left, as opposed to going flat sometime in the night) with just the 3g turned on.
I noticed that wi-fi only stays on after you lock the screen if the phone is charging. Otherwise it cuts the conncetion. Very annoying indeed if you are downloading big games over wi-fi. However I get my notifications and emails just fine in any case. Remeber though, windows phone doesnt support proper push, hence why they cant get skype to recieve calls in the background. Facebook and whatsapp push always comes about 3-4 minutes later than needed.
Another thing that i have been testing for a while on various phones (nokia n9 included, not the lumia because it's too unreliable) and also got mentioned in this tread is wi-fi vs 3g consumption.
So my results are:
with 3 emails 15-30 mins sync or push for one, at least one push service eg, facebook, vkontakte whatsapp etc (where possible)
i concluded that if you just leave the phone there for a day in standby and dont use it, it drains quicker with wi-fi on. Everytime. Every phone.
However when using the internet eg. browsing for half an hour etc. wi-fi uses a lot less battery than 3g.
So only use the wi fi when you need it and switch it off for background tasks. (WP7 does that anyway, for a reason)
Hi Guys,
I have recently installed whatsapp on my HTC Titan, - its a great app, has drastically reduced my international call and text cost.
How ever the battery life of my phone is taking a huge hit. i am talking about 7 hours total from full charge - when i engage in continuous chatting on the app.
Is anyone experiencing any similar issues? - will be grateful if any one can help figure out the reason for the drain
Cheers
JP
jpmalum said:
Hi Guys,
I have recently installed whatsapp on my HTC Titan, - its a great app, has drastically reduced my international call and text cost.
How ever the battery life of my phone is taking a huge hit. i am talking about 7 hours total from full charge - when i engage in continuous chatting on the app.
Is anyone experiencing any similar issues? - will be grateful if any one can help figure out the reason for the drain
Cheers
JP
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Yes, this is because Whatsapp is continiously checking for new messages using your cellular connection. This means the modem is ALWAYS engaged, and you're practially always connected.
Some random website gave call time spec: Up to 6 h 50 min (3G)
This seems about right with your battery usage.
Being connected with 3g basically counts as talk time, Since the mic and speaker are the least of your worries battery consumtion wise.
Normal synchronisation like email is set at 30 minute (customizable) intervals.
This saves a lot of battery power.
Basically, this goes for any app that uses a continious internet connection (e.g. browser, ad supported app, online navigation, chat.)
Note that in some research a while ago someone tested battery usage in games, and it turns out that displaying ads uses more power than running the game itself (assuming the game is off-line).
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/people/mzh/eurosys-2012.pdf
Whatsapp is one of those apps that uses continious internet connection.
Also recieving email's "as they arrive" also drains power. So does facebook/messenger chat and any app that refreshes their data in the background frequently OR that is ad supported.
I'm using whatsapp, receiving messages during all the day and my battery stands with no problem until night, 16-18 hours. I think that the battery problem is more related with the time you are writing messages, with the screen, our huge screen, on.
I have had Whatsapp on since day 1 and never had any issues with battery and Whatsapp.
If you do continous chat for 6-7 hours I think your culprit is your screen brightness and CPU that keeps your phone locking and unlocking! I get occassional messages on Whatsapp throughout the day and I manage to reply them whenever I have some spare time. Same with emails.
You can even try anything that will keep your phone "awake" in foreground i.e. keep communicating via emails or e-books with screen on and data on - you will have battery drain.
But same activity on intermittent basis will not cause this drain.
Also, your network coverage - the farther you are from the network masts, the quicker you will drain your phone. Sadly we can't do much about it unless you live in a super-connected area.
@jpmalum: are you using push notifications?
@kpn: actually, WP7 has a completely different background processing policy compared to Android. Incoming notifications flow through MS's push notification service which greatly reduces network access. Periodic polling by apps is restricted to intervals of 15 minutes minimum, and device wakeups for different apps are coalesced to avoid each of them generating its own 3G tail like on Android.
Also, KPN should really fix their network settings, tail times on the KPN network are ridiculous, the modem stays in FACH for up to a full minute! I am aware that this is probably better for browsing but come on, a _minute_, really?
I have some power traces from a Galaxy Nexus with a background process doing some network stuff once per 5 minutes. On KPN, the app uses 277.59J/hour, versus 182.05J/hour and 205.47J/hour on TMobile and Vodafone respectively. The difference is not due to signal strength, but comes purely from tail time. Hopefully fast dormancy and the new enhanced FACH state will fix this in the future, but they require carrier support to work.
(full disclosure, I'm a PhD student doing research on mobile phones)
Hi!
I have a few very annoying problems I want to get rid of.
The first is that all sorts of push notifications are often (if not always) very delayed. For example, when someone's played Wordfeud and it's my turn it can take up to 20 minutes before the phone alerts me. Same thing with Whatsapp and other apps. I did a factory reset recently and the problem seemed solved but after just a few hours the delays began to appear again. Both with 3G and Wi Fi.
It is the same thing with the built in FB-chat. Sometimes messages are also delayed for up to an hour. Occationally when I enter the Message hub and swipes to Online tab the messages arrives but it's rare. It could at first appear as work when two or maximum three messages arrives but then the conversation just dies and I must go to the Facebook app to view and continue the chat. Also after the factory reset it worked somewhat fine but just like with Push notifications it didn't work long enough... Same here, both over 3G and Wi Fi.
Does anyone have a single clue of what the issue is here?
Is the phone checking for new notifications in a certain pattern, like every 30 minutes?
I'm not completely sure if this is the right forum for this but I'm beginning to be kind of desperate. Notifications on iOS and Android works like a charm and I don't think the Lumia with WP should be behind in this matter.
Extremly thankful for answers.
Regards
Mikael Ivarsson
Nokia Lumia 800
OS version: 7.10.8773.98
Zune: Latest available
its not a problem of software, its a wanted feature of microsoft, wp7 doesnt have any multitastking, so if you turn of wifi and whatsapp is running, wifi is turned off for some minutes and if you turn on screen, wifi connects and whatsapp gets your messages, thats what i realized..
next phone wont be wp. :/ nice OS but the little things like this are annoying
facekill1337 said:
its not a problem of software, its a wanted feature of microsoft, wp7 doesnt have any multitastking, so if you turn of wifi and whatsapp is running, wifi is turned off for some minutes and if you turn on screen, wifi connects and whatsapp gets your messages, thats what i realized..
next phone wont be wp. :/ nice OS but the little things like this are annoying
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Thanks for the reply!
But that's the strange thing, even if i don't turn off the screen and keep the phone "awake" there are no toast. The push notifications were instant for a few hours after the factory reset so there must be something that is "blocking" push messages. Same thing with the fb-chat. The chat should also work without problems even when the screen is turned off.
Me too are also considering walking out of Microsoft on this one. The OS is very beautiful and everything is so thought through but they still have som work to do.
Yes, background agents run every 30 minutes
thats why i wont buy a wp phone anymore. its really annoying and not SMARTphone like!
But shouldn't push messages be pushed through nearly instant?
it should be popup in the second it arrives
Exactly. Even if the screen is unlocked and wifi 3G is connected and all that it still is a delay.
The problem seem to have solved itself! I don't know what I've done but one morning I woke up and everything worked smoothly. Let's hope the issue doesn't return!
Data connection should be enabled for Push notifications to work. Maybe you went above your data cap or sometimes the 3G reception got lost.
Also, are you sure that app uses Push notifications and not regular Toasts sent by a background agent ?
I just wanted to post on the XDA forums that there is a thread to help determine what is causing the "heat + battery drain" issue(s) on the Lumia 920.
http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Nok...n-ATT-Overheats-Battery-Draining/td-p/1606012
Specifically, we've seen fairly normal battery drain when using applications, but when LTE data is introduced the battery continues to drain at a rate of 7-8% per hour even after the applications are closed. For example, streaming something like Xbox Music or Netflix over the LTE connection (wifi OFF), the phone warms up considerably and the battery continues to drain at a high rate even after those applications are closed. The same applications behave normally over 3G or Wifi, and the battery drain is not present afterward.
The "fix" so far appears to be disabling LTE altogether.
• Open Dialer
• Punch in ##3282 and hit Call
• At the Field Test menu, choose more options via the three dots (lower right)
• Select Settings
• Under network type, select "3G only". UMTS should be set to "Automatic".
• Change the "Toggle ENS" setting to OFF
• Back out, power off the phone, and power on again
Definitely interested in hearing other's reports on this issue. Specifically, does this happen with ALL Lumia 920 phones? Is this specific to this particular model phone? Is this a Nokia issue, LTE chip issue, or WP8 issue? Was this introduced with the Portico update?
Thanks.
Upon further testing.........
Disabling LTE is *not* the ultimate fix. Yes, it does help keep the battery drain down to more reasonable levels, but it does not solve the problem. I've subsequently tested with the little brother phone -- the Lumia 820 -- to see if the issue is on all WP8 handsets, on all Lumia phones, or even limited to post-Portico update phones (in other words, did Portico make this issue).
After some thorough testing, I can say with confidence that this issue is specific to the Lumia 920 and not necessarily all WP8 handsets or Lumia phones.
Detailed thread here: http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Nok...Overheats-Battery-Draining/m-p/1795212#M43837
I am currently working with Nokia to find a long-term resolution to this issue.
Please keep us updated, I'm very interested in knowing how to fix this problem! ??
I found that disabling bluetooth helps out.
Battery drain
To help reduce battery drain I do the following on my WP
I get a connectivity shortcut app. There are a few options available in the store. Anyway I pin airplane mode, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and Location on my home screen and turn them off when I'm not using them. Turning off location turns of GPS, so you must enable it before launching Drive/Here. A lot of battery issues I think have to do with the phone being to aggressive (power wise) trying to search for signal. Whether its Wi-Fi a Bluetooth device, etc. I also disable Tap+Send (NFC) because I never use it.
And I go into background tasks and I block every single app from running in the background except the ones I am sure I want to run. Remeber the list where you can block them is for apps that want to run on a timed schedule, they can still run in the BG if you home screen out of them. For me the only one I allow is MS Weather (for the live tile). Disabling Nokia Drive/Here seems to help battery life for some people.
The biggest battery saver I did was forwarding my other email accounts (Gmail & Yahoo!) to Outlook.com, and then set that to only look every 1 hour (instead of the stock 30 minutes). My phone went from lasting 1 - 1.5 days to over 2.5 - 3 days with my typical usage (light usage).
I try not to use Live Tiles, or lock screen pictures unless I really want them (like weather for instance), as they help drain the battery quicker.
Anyway Nokia is really on top of their game so I think they will help contribute to WP to eliminate these issues. The only non-software related issue with the 920 is the dust in the FFC, which personally does not bother me but I could see how it might bother others.
##3282 isn't working for me after yesterday's update. Lets see how I do with the battery today!!!
The earpiece on mine does not work I can't hear anyone and top of phone gets warm I have sent it to nokia repair.
yipcanjo said:
I just wanted to post on the XDA forums that there is a thread to help determine what is causing the "heat + battery drain" issue(s) on the Lumia 920.
http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Nok...n-ATT-Overheats-Battery-Draining/td-p/1606012
Specifically, we've seen fairly normal battery drain when using applications, but when LTE data is introduced the battery continues to drain at a rate of 7-8% per hour even after the applications are closed. For example, streaming something like Xbox Music or Netflix over the LTE connection (wifi OFF), the phone warms up considerably and the battery continues to drain at a high rate even after those applications are closed. The same applications behave normally over 3G or Wifi, and the battery drain is not present afterward.
The "fix" so far appears to be disabling LTE altogether.
• Open Dialer
• Punch in ##3282 and hit Call
• At the Field Test menu, choose more options via the three dots (lower right)
• Select Settings
• Under network type, select "3G only". UMTS should be set to "Automatic".
• Change the "Toggle ENS" setting to OFF
• Back out, power off the phone, and power on again
Definitely interested in hearing other's reports on this issue. Specifically, does this happen with ALL Lumia 920 phones? Is this specific to this particular model phone? Is this a Nokia issue, LTE chip issue, or WP8 issue? Was this introduced with the Portico update?
Thanks.
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Thanks for the tip!
I also have 5-8% per hour drain. (actual offi. release .1308...)
all off, sync, loaction, WLAN every thing, fresh reboot, phone on my desk, not working with it, about 2 lines H signal.
when i switch to airplane mode....1-2% battery drain over a complete night!
its also no problem to activate airplane mode ON and afterwards WLAN additionally ON, then about 1-4% over a night!
i tried everything i found on the inet.
and i have my white L920 since Dec.12! (i did a "hard" update over PC in Feb. and also the the last release over the air...nothing changed)
so now i'm checking if this works for me and post results
I'm located in AUT with an unlocked, unbranded GER L920.
and we dont have LTE til now...maybee thats the problem..?!
dj_memory said:
Thanks for the tip!
I also have 5-8% per hour drain. (actual offi. release .1308...)
all off, sync, loaction, WLAN every thing, fresh reboot, phone on my desk, not working with it, about 2 lines H signal.
when i switch to airplane mode....1-2% battery drain over a complete night!
its also no problem to activate airplane mode ON and afterwards WLAN additionally ON, then about 1-4% over a night!
i tried everything i found on the inet.
and i have my white L920 since Dec.12! (i did a "hard" update over PC in Feb. and also the the last release over the air...nothing changed)
so now i'm checking if this works for me and post results
I'm located in AUT with an unlocked, unbranded GER L920.
and we dont have LTE til now...maybee thats the problem..?!
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UPDATE:
i solved my battery drain issue by setting my "max network speed" to 2G!
by that i now have a drain of 1-2% p.h.!
dj_memory said:
UPDATE:
i solved my battery drain issue by setting my "max network speed" to 2G!
by that i now have a drain of 1-2% p.h.!
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That is great. To bad that we whom have received the latest OTA no longer have access to that menu.
really?
I'm on FW 1232.5957.1308.0001
and WPH 8.0.10211.204
I don't need to change the network type within ##3282 menu, also worked for me in normal network settings.
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really?
I'm on FW 1232.5957.1308.0001
and WPH 8.0.10211.204
I don't need to change the network type within ##3282 menu, also worked for me in normal network settings.
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So then how do you set your network speed?
u don't need access to ##3282...its also possible to "limit" within settings/network. (##3282 NOT working within f.e. Rapdialer!!)
I limit it to "2G" only when its more importand to have less battery consumption than inet speed
limited to "2G" in my region it shows me afterwards a "E" on top.
On this PIC i found in the inet is "roaming" deactivated.
I have to activate "roaming" also when I'm within my own network to have inet access (and the "E").
In my town, network operators share their mobile radio transmitters.
I limited direktly at my provider the access to a "real roaming network" for example a swiss network.
Because i'm most of the time near the border
maybee not possible in your version or provider?
I'm on a free GER version.
Definitely trying this tonight.
For the battery drain try light (white) theme. intresting but that help my battery drain problem
Same issue here...Any updates?
Battery drain and over heat
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Same issue here...Any updates?
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My experience is that, I reset the cellphone and after doing this twice and connecting to the internet and waiting for one hour, Microsoft gave me an update for my battery saver and since that time everything is ok, including the battery. I always believed that the updates have problems to be installed completely most of the time, so it's better to reset or download it via the computer and instal it with a cable( using Nokia Software Update). But if it doesn't work, please don't panic. The updates are coming and just be sure that you have reset your device without choosing the setting backup, for you must start afresh. Good Luck.