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Well, WP7 rom for HD2 has been around xda forum for a few days now, and we all know who we should send a "thank you" to. However, I've been questioning that why Cotulla and DFT are still keeping silent about this launch then?
If you could remember that Cotulla was the first dev. announced the good new about Nandroid on HD2, and he was also the first dev. to post a NANDROID rom for us (here).
So do you know why he hasn't said anything about this very big achievement then?
I think it's because of (possible) legal issues with Microsoft... Don't quote me on that though.
I'm wondering the same
Legal issues ? maybe ..
One of the big reasons is because he is not ready to release it. The Devs are still making changes to the Magldr and will be releasing an updated version at a later point with more bugs ironed out.
As far as legal issues, its the same thing it was with WinMo 6.5...people cooked ROMS and there was no legal issue behind it.
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One of the big reasons is because he is not ready to release it. The Devs are still making changes to the Magldr and will be releasing an updated version at a later point with more bugs ironed out.
As far as legal issues, its the same thing it was with WinMo 6.5...people cooked ROMS and there was no legal issue behind it.
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but people cook wm 6.5 in phone that have wm 6.5 in the first place
hd2 is wm6.5 phone, not wp 7
there is no legal restriction for announcing this
they are waiting for the right time to give a fully working wp7
this i just a warming up release
Or they are waiting for this huge forum makeover to post they rom in proper WP7 section
paciukiewicz said:
Or they are waiting for the this huge forum makeover to post they rom in proper WP7 section
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Yeah.you spot the light.
m2shakiba said:
there is no legal restriction for announcing this
they are waiting for the right time to give a fully working wp7
this i just a warming up release
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i hope you are right..
but i think the legal problem hurdle them to release here,,attorney from MS could be annoying..
it is possible that dft released wp7 in china and see what reaction of MS would be, and then step forword..
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One of the big reasons is because he is not ready to release it. The Devs are still making changes to the Magldr and will be releasing an updated version at a later point with more bugs ironed out.
As far as legal issues, its the same thing it was with WinMo 6.5...people cooked ROMS and there was no legal issue behind it.
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m2shakiba said:
there is no legal restriction for announcing this
they are waiting for the right time to give a fully working wp7
this i just a warming up release
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Sorry but you guys are simply wrong.
It hasn't been directly released via XDA simply because xda is hosted on US servers, and XDA could be held liable if any posting or WP7 roms. M$ wants WP7 to be allot more locked down then the legacy version of OS.
It was released elsewhere because they are on Chinese servers.
I really do hope that we start getting dev going on on here and that custom roms are eventually released but from what ive been told its not likely atm. It will probably happen via 3rd parties willing to post like teh person who got permission to post the release here.
eg:- we buy car . we change tires , paint , tuned engine etc
we buy htc hd2 . we change boot loader , phone pouch , tuned os etc
we bourght than its ours .
sathara said:
eg:- we buy car . we change tires , paint , tuned engine etc
we buy htc hd2 . we change boot loader , phone pouch , tuned os etc
we bourght than its ours .
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True. But you didnt buy the wp7 os. So micro$oft cant say anything to you about running andoid on your phone. But if you tried to run wp7 on the desire hd, they would be able to do something, because the os hasnt been liscensed to you to run on that phone. When someone purchases an hd7, they have permission to run wp7 on it, or anything else the may want without m$ stepping in. Its not like android which is open source, and free for all to meddle with.
sathara said:
eg:- we buy car . we change tires , paint , tuned engine etc
we buy htc hd2 . we change boot loader , phone pouch , tuned os etc
we bourght than its ours .
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Spot on! Exactly what i think!
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True. But you didnt buy the wp7 os. So micro$oft cant say anything to you about running andoid on your phone. But if you tried to run wp7 on the desire hd, they would be able to do something, because the os hasnt been liscensed to you to run on that phone. When someone purchases an hd7, they have permission to run wp7 on it, or anything else the may want without m$ stepping in. Its not like android which is open source, and free for all to meddle with.
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Don't use it!
It is your right to do whatever you want and not do a thing that you don't want to.
Why someone keeps poping these stupid threads.
There is a great conspiracy with the aliens and MS and Cotulla is hiding from them!
Guys dont get me wrong, I dont give a **** what M$ thinks and if I want it on my phone ill put it on my phone but..
Stop been naive about this, They own teh software and license it out via OEM, technically if they really want to do it they could sue anybody hosting the ROM or anybody supplying the rom, its as simple as that.
This is specifically why things have gone a bit quiet from XDA/DFT, well at least on here anyway.
You guys should just let it be and forget about it, we have our rom and thats all that matters.
All copyright/licensing restrictions are COMMERCIAL. All Commerce operates under Statute law. All statute law is not law at all but COLOR of law and only enforceable WITH YOUR CONSENT. Stop consenting.
Hey, you probably heard that WP7 has been ported on HD2.
Well, that's a great start. But I think we can try it out... Even it would be a lot buggy or slow or anything else... I think if we contact DFT (Dark Forces Team) they might help us out... I know it's near impossible (because of our ARMv6 CPU. == WP7 needs an ARMv7 CPU which HD2 has it.) But it's not impossible completely... Let's do something about it... What do you say devs?
I'm just waiting for the hackers team is to discuss about this. Because I am only new person in the world PHONE.
im will suporter to u all
Come on ,it will be great to run wp7 on topaz
Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a port for the Topaz, and I'd probly try it out... But I'm looking forward to the cracking of WP7 on WP7 phones so that I can upgrade to a new phone and not be stuck with that horrible start screen
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I appreciate that... But as I mentioned above, it's near impossible... Not completely. Your'e right... Topaz has ARMv6 processor... WP7 requires ARMv7. But i'm talking about experiencing it on Topaz... By the way, I agree with oldness of Topaz... I'm gonna buy a Desire HD
It's wishfull thinking and never going to happen. The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
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The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
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And wouldn't that be great!!!!
That ain't true I find that the ui from wp7 is lite and simple. This can easily be ported to our devices with a little magic. But The part of windows live games or xbox live is the part that our devices cant handle. Our devices aren't old they where made cheap by htc and att to cover some sectors of the market. But our devices could have been easily been made with the same stuff as hd2, as few months passed since each launched.
The ui is simpler than ours and faster I think it could be done......just that I need to finish studying by then to make this. And I don't think of waiting is another great idea. As we are shadowed by what could have been if we had a twin processor to hd2's. But, we bought this and I find it great!
And please respect each other!!!!!
I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
mahra said:
I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
wp7 requires ARMv7 instruction set on cpu. but topaz is just ARMv6 i think. that's why I think it's not possible
Moreover, why would you want WP7? The only thing it has going for it is that it runs smoothly and doesn't crash, which it would NOT do if someone did manage to port it. Better off building skins over 6.5.x; that way you could at least retain functionality...
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
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I am waiting, good luck man
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
stirkac said:
actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
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I agree. I'm moving to iPhone 4 or Sensation or EVO 3D...
Im usually never an early adopter on a phone, let alone a new OS. Are we likely to see any custom ROMs for the 920? I havent seen any for any Windows 8 Phones yet. Im guessing this is just because its still a month old OS?
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Im usually never an early adopter on a phone, let alone a new OS. Are we likely to see any custom ROMs for the 920? I havent seen any for any Windows 8 Phones yet. Im guessing this is just because its still a month old OS?
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hmm. my opinion...doubtful. maybe the other windows phone like htc 8x will. i had the nokia 900 before but returned it because it lacked development. i guess its too early to tell since its fairly new. that is why im still waiting a lil longer before opting to get the note2. i want to switch to a windows phone since im planning to get a windows hybrid laptop/tablet that will pair nicely with a windows phone device. anywayz, doubtful is just my opinion, and i hope i will be proven wrong.
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hmm. my opinion...doubtful. maybe the other windows phone like htc 8x will. i had the nokia 900 before but returned it because it lacked development. i guess its too early to tell since its fairly new. that is why im still waiting a lil longer before opting to get the note2. i want to switch to a windows phone since im planning to get a windows hybrid laptop/tablet that will pair nicely with a windows phone device. anywayz, doubtful is just my opinion, and i hope i will be proven wrong.
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I would think, one of if not THE most popular Windows 8 phone so far, would get a lot of attention of custom dev type people. But so far, it appears not. Is it that Nokia phones are just too hard to deal with so they stick with HTC, Samsung?
Looking at the Dev page for the 920 and theres not much activity at all. Love the phone and the OS, but custom stuff just really makes it so much better. Especially when you have a hard headed company like MS, that keeps many things on lock down, its always been nice in the past to have Custom Roms and apps that require unlock.
I never had a Lumia 900, but I just saw that that has never had custom ROMs because the security was never broken on it and never will be. Sad to say that it will probably be the same with the 920.
If Nokia knows, and I imagine they do, that they were able to make the 900 so secure that the devs here couldnt crack it, theyll just carry the same security over to any other phones they push out.
So I guess that pretty much answers my question. Most likely, we will not be seeing any Custom ROMs or hacks for our 920's
I actually would assume that it would be much harder to get Custom ROMs on any WP8 device then it was on WP7. Given that WP8 now uses secure boot which verifies signatures on the bootloader and kernel every time they load to ensure that no malware was deployed to the device. In the end this most likely means that any CustomROM would be identified as well and the device would simply reject to start it (and that is assuming we find a way to at least get the ROM on there). WP8 most likely is the best protected Mobile OS in that regard.
Actually, these guys seem to have hacked the boot-loader successfully
http://www.winphoneviet.com/forum/index.php?threads/21464/
At least, as far as I can tell from Vietnamese to English Google Translation.
barmalini said:
Actually, these guys seem to have hacked the boot-loader successfully
http://www.winphoneviet.com/forum/index.php?threads/21464/
At least, as far as I can tell from Vietnamese to English Google Translation.
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this not hack or custom ROM
this is only flashing official ROM via NCS (to fix bricking)
look here on english
http://forums.wpcentral.com/nokia-l...after-reset-flash-process-defined-inside.html
Is possible to run wp on our phones ?
short answer is no, it cant
long answer is it would need massive support from WP users (there are not much of them since it is kinda dead platform and they have no reason to be interested in this particular device, tbh, there are nexuses, xperias, and htc flagships like one or hox+, why would they want dx?), also its very tricky to do that, i think only phones running originaly wp was transformed into android devices, and the one with best support for this, HD2 was after several years able to fully run android without needing wp, this phone will never be as popular as HD2 (i dont mean it bad, but long time ago, market wasnt full of different phones, there were only few of them and HD2 was one of most popular, ofc there are others transformed devices, but the point is clear...)
anyway, why would you want wp for dx?
I expected this question "Why i ask wp on dx" xD.I just wanted to try, to work with wp 1 week or more...Just to see how is it.I like the style on wp and the lumia phones style.Before to buy my DX i was wonder to buy lumia or dx.Anyway im shure that i made the right choise WP cant be compaire with android.
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I expected this question "Why i ask wp on dx" xD.I just wanted to try, to work with wp 1 week or more...Just to see how is it.I like the style on wp and the lumia phones style.Before to buy my DX i was wonder to buy lumia or dx.Anyway im shure that i made the right choise WP cant be compaire with android.
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WP isn't open source. It would be very hard to port it.
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WP isn't open source. It would be very hard to port it.
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And if someone succeeded in it, he wouldn't be allowed to post it. And if he did, the whole company would sue him for everything he's got.
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And if someone succeeded in it, he wouldn't be allowed to post it. And if he did, the whole company would sue him for everything he's got.
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maybe someone someday will post a rom fully themed like wp ) but porting wp its impossible!!
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Is possible to run wp on our phones ?
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You can install a launcher like "launcher 8"
gesendet mit HTC Desire X + mySENSE-dx RC3.5
WP or Android
Few years ago I had a HTC Diamond2 (Topaz) phone which has Win 6.5 OS.
Some guys tried to port android on it and it was a very nice try, I remember that I tried every build on it. Main problem as I remembered was the kernel and memory management...
So even Win would be an open source the porting of an OS would be only an experience and nothing more... If you want a true WP phone you would buy one..
Hello there
I'm an Android user, and I like switching between many ROMs, manipulating a bit (even if I don't know much).
But a friend of mine has a HTC Titan, and I was wondering what could we do about those phones. I mean, can we change to custom ROMs ? Are there as many as there is on droids, is it as easy (or kind of) as Androids, or is it dangerous, are there any risks, etc. What are the possibilities ?
Thank you in advance for your answer
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Hello there
I'm an Android user, and I like switching between many ROMs, manipulating a bit (even if I don't know much).
But a friend of mine has a HTC Titan, and I was wondering what could we do about those phones. I mean, can we change to custom ROMs ? Are there as many as there is on droids, is it as easy (or kind of) as Androids, or is it dangerous, are there any risks, etc. What are the possibilities ?
Thank you in advance for your answer
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The simple answer here is...No! There are three variants of the Titan; the first one was a coon's age ago and the last two might as well be from different planets. The "Eternity" variant is the one you want; the "Radiance" variant is a lesson in futility as are all future Windows Phones. In an earlier life the Windows Mobile 6.x platform could be customized in every way Android is today. Windows Phone 7 comes along and the braintrust at every carrier and Microsoft decided to make life hard for us who enjoy customizing our phones and you'd think common sense would win the day...oh no...despite a 3.1% marketshare and royally pissing off every WP7 phone owner along the way they continue to lock these phones down and as more than a few Lumia 920 (WP8) owners will tell you the latest update now won't allow them to edit their mobile data speed and most are now stuck on LTE and what do we know about LTE boys and girls....one, not everybody has it; two, a lot of folks don't have it; and three, you can't edit the device to HSPA+, 3G or 2G as we Eternity variant Titans can. To answer your question head on - The Titan II cannot be tinkered with and no device since can on WP7 or WP8 platforms. Prior to Titan II...you bet; the HTC HD2 is the device you want for tinkering on any platform known to man; one look at its XDA main page will tell you its your device of choice for customized flashing of any ROM on any platform and it is extremely doubtful there will be another device like it ever made again, but one can wish...hopelessly. All that said, I love my Titan I, the Eternity. There are multiple level of locks...there's Interop, Developer and HSPL and you need all of them to play. It is not for the faint of heart, this is not Android....I can tell you I successfully HSPL my phones but I can also tell you I was scared to death I bricked them too, but there is a world of difference between a WP phone you can install your own apps like the Windows Mobile days or be so locked down there's no joy in any of it. Today, I'm on the fence as to whether to remain with Windows Phone despite what appears they finally got right with WP8 but I'm sick of this attitude that our devices have to be locked down that you're left to their whims not your own. One look at the WP pages will tell you development is little compared to Android. I ordered my wife's HTC One from HTC for $649.99, the 64GB Developer Edition and the next thing I did was install Launcher 8. Yes, under the hood it's different but it made for easy navigation of apps. I expect someone on Android is going to create a "live" tile for a WP8 skin of Android and likely I'm gone from WP. I'm not aware there is any further development going on over at WP7.8; there is some rumor that across the pond there is to be a WP7.9 release but as to what that is likely to entail; I don't know. Rumor is begging for a better bluetooth interface which is sorely missed even on WP8...what were they thinking? If you use Skype, it doesn't run in background on WP7.x. It's a mix bag...I love the platform, I'm sick of how the powers that be have really ruined it for us who enjoy it for what it is...different and I'm not kidding when I say this, it runs as smooth as butter; I simply do not understand the brain trust behind it and why they made it so damn hard for those of us who have been loyal to them for years.
Well said, even a rooted titan with a custom rom is not in the same league as a HD2 running WM.... its a real same those days have gone!
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Well said, even a rooted titan with a custom rom is not in the same league as a HD2 running WM.... its a real same those days have gone!
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Or an HD2 running WP7.8 or as I am currently the NexusHD which I'm about to update to NativeSD with his most recent release. I am so fet up with all the obstacles that Windows Phone owners have had to put up with and even if you are HSPL and Developer and Interop Unlocked there are still obstacles and Android there is none and I simply don't understand the logic of what Microsoft and carriers are trying to accomplish; you'd think they'd welcome what contributors at XDA have done and maybe flashing my Titan today is a good example trying to setup Straight Talk with MMS, make Bing Map and Windows Phone Marketplace play nice and nope, no can do! Android? No problem. Throw my HD2 into the mix and despite only having EDGE; it all works but the bottom line is, you shouldn't have to pay for what you benefit from using W-Fi not mobile data.
Thank you guys for your answers. So I suppose there is no advantage of customisation with Windows Phones ^^
Take a look in the Titan ROM development, i,m running Dynamics 2.0 by ultrashot.... best ROM in my opinion. I edited the registry so it thinks its a Nokia, this way I get all the nokia apps. Read the thread to get a good idea of what a custom ROM gives you. Rumour has it that version 2.2 coming soon so keep an eye out. Rooting the Titan really is risky so read up on it before you take the plunge!
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Thank you ! I'll check that