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Pardon me for asking but this has bugged me for a while:
I doubt if the Raphael is really produced in two hardware versions: one that supports UMTS 900/2100 MHz in Europe and another that supports UMTS 1900/850 MHz in the US?
Do any of the European friends here flash the Radio ROM v1.14.25.35 (extracted from AT&T ROM in the US) to their European version of the Raphael and with a tweak in the registry key
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"ItemName2"="UMTS(900+2100)+GSM(900+1800)"
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i.e., to make the UMTS 900 MHz band known to the machine, are able to connect to their 900 MHz 3G network properly?
Apparently, the 900 MHz UMTS band was not included in the default BandType after the American AT&T Radio ROM is flashed.
This is actually a very good & important question & point. Particullarly with the newer devices that are comiing out. In an effort to streamline production, HTC has changed somewhat the way the restrict devices from operating on different bands. Now you find that even CDMA & GSM device are able or would be able to operate, strictly speaking of hardware, on one or the other network except for the firmware. According to FCC documents, HTC is locking devices to networks via the firmware. This may make it possible to opperate any device on any network give that there is a place to insert the sim card.
I am using the new radio, & I have been able to use it on both the US & EU gsm frequencies. You can selct the band you want, but you need to use the band switch program as the EU band has been disabled via the registry, but it still exists within the radio firmware.
GSLEON3 said:
In an effort to streamline production, HTC has changed somewhat the way the restrict devices from operating on different bands...HTC is locking devices to networks via the firmware...I am using the new radio, & I have been able to use it on both the US & EU gsm frequencies
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Thanks, gsleon3 for your input. I have this doubt because many people on this boards mention cross-flashing and the issues with two different hardware versions; whereas, according to Section 1.1 on "Product Features" of the Raphael Service Manual, the hardware itself supports HSPA/UMTS on 5 bands, i.e., 850, 900, 1700, 1900 and 2100 MHz and GSM/GPRS/EDGE on 4 bands, i.e., 850, 900, 1800 and 1900 MHz. Raphaels are produced in different SKUs with some bands selectively enabled, though.
I'm in Germany w/ a German O2 XDA and I've flashed the new radios with no problems. I haven't flashed to .25.35 yet, but probably will tonight.
[EDIT] Just installed .25.35, and it works 100%. We'll see about battery life tomorrow... [/EDIT]
Drew
... In the AT&T and International versions of the Atrix... why can we not enable HSPA/UMTS on 900MHz through flashing radios or other software means?
Edit: Phone is an unlocked AT&T version on O2 UK with O2 sim.
Because the 900MHz band that the Atrix uses is part of the quad-band GSM, which is 2G/EDGE, not UMTS. Those are two different standards.
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... In the AT&T and International versions of the Atrix... why can we not enable HSPA/UMTS on 900MHz through flashing radios or other software means?
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Because the 900MHz band that the Atrix uses is part of the quad-band GSM, which is 2G/EDGE, not UMTS. Those are two different standards.
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But the international supports UMTS/WCDMA/3G/3.5/HSDPA/HSPA/HSPA+ on 900mhz going by all of the spec sheets I read.
UTMS is 3G. HSDPA is 3.5. A standard of WCDMA. HSPA is another WCDMA standard which again is a 3G Technology (3.7G?)... Either way they all come off the same 3G cell
Atrix International: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
Atrix AT&T: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_4g-3708.php
Same hardware. Why can it not be enabled?
I don't know about the other bands but you specifically mentioned the 900MHz band so that was what I was talking about.
More than likely the carriers have locked the radios and/or hardware. It's like other carrier's world phones will not work on AT&T/T-mobile, even though they technically can support those bands.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ask-ac-what-happens-if-i-put-att-sim-card-motorola-photon-4g
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-droid-pro-work-att
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But the international supports UMTS/WCDMA/3G/3.5/HSDPA/HSPA/HSPA+ on 900mhz going by all of the spec sheets I read.
UTMS is 3G. HSDPA is 3.5. A standard of WCDMA. HSPA is another WCDMA standard which again is a 3G Technology (3.7G?)... Either way they all come off the same 3G cell
Atrix International: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
Atrix AT&T: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_4g-3708.php
Same hardware. Why can it not be enabled?
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I'll also add, there are a couple of threads on here that report that people have flashed other radios and seemed to have enabled access to 3G technologies on 900mhz.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18820309&postcount=22.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19879245&postcount=1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15811026&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991912
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I don't know about the other bands but you specifically mentioned the 900MHz band so that was what I was talking about.
More than likely the carriers have locked the radios and/or hardware. It's like other carrier's world phones will not work on AT&T/T-mobile, even though they technically can support those bands.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ask-ac-what-happens-if-i-put-att-sim-card-motorola-photon-4g
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-droid-pro-work-att
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Thing is, its an unlocked AT&T phone on O2, and I want to take advantage of their new "Superfast 3G 900" network..
Maybe I should have made clear in the first post... woops.
Okay, the first two links do not show any proof they got it working on UMTS 900MHz band.
In this thread, the OP last updated his post (on Oct 8th) stating that he is stuck on EDGE:
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313485
Again, in this thread, the OP (in post #3) says that he never got it working and the last person to comment (post #7) only says they got it working on the 2100MHz band, not 900MHz:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19879245#post19879245
In your last two links (which come from the same thread) only one person "says" they got it working but provided no proof or means:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15811026#post15811026
I wish I could help. I'm not saying it's impossible but as far as I know, 3G (HSPA/UMTS/WCDMA) can't be done on the 900MHz band if you're using an AT&T Atrix.
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I'll also add, there are a couple of threads on here that report that people have flashed other radios and seemed to have enabled access to 3G technologies on 900mhz.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18820309&postcount=22.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19879245&postcount=1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15811026&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991912
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Okay, the first two links do not show any proof they got it working on UMTS 900MHz band.
In this thread, the OP last updated his post (on Oct 8th) stating that he is stuck on EDGE:
Read post #1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313485
Again, in this thread, the OP (in post #3) says that he never got it working and the last person to comment (post #7) only says they got it working on the 2100MHz band, not 900MHz:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19879245#post19879245
In your last two links (which come from the same thread) only one person "says" they got it working but provided no proof or means:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15811026#post15811026
I wish I could help. I'm not saying it's impossible but as far as I know, 3G (HSPA/UMTS/WCDMA) can't be done on the 900MHz band if you're using an AT&T Atrix.
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There doesn't seem to be any logic to why other than software as the radios taken out of all firmwares work on both versions. The only logical answer is software (if I could SBF flash a UK firmware, not CWM that would help, but there was other differences with the mainboard right?), or its the same chip just slightly modified without that band included.
I was mooching around system folders trying to find anything that could give me a clue, but to no avail.
I think it has something to do with what module is used, which is a hardware component. I know the AT&T Atrix uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 but I have no idea what other versions use.
I might be wrong though.
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There doesn't seem to be any logic to why other than software as the radios taken out of all firmwares work on both versions. The only logical answer is software (if I could SBF flash a UK firmware, not CWM that would help, but there was other differences with the mainboard right?), or its the same chip just slightly modified without that band included.
I was mooching around system folders trying to find anything that could give me a clue, but to no avail.
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I think it has something to do with what module is used, which is a hardware component. I know the AT&T Atrix uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 but I have no idea what other versions use.
I might be wrong though.
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Indeed, so logic would say that if we flash international radios for a different module (if they are different) would soft brick the phone or cause the phone to no get any kind of reception what so ever.
I do find the international radios and att radios (other than the stock and 1.87) make the H+ signal level not go over 1 bar.
I'm not sure about bricking the device but I know they usually have those radios locked down pretty good which is why most people need to buy unlock codes or get their carrier to unlock their phones for them. It's not very common that end users can crack them.
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Indeed, so logic would say that if we flash international radios for a different module (if they are different) would soft brick the phone or cause the phone to no get any kind of reception what so ever.
I do find the international radios and att radios (other than the stock and 1.87) make the H+ signal level not go over 1 bar.
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I'm not sure about bricking the device but I know they usually have those radios locked down pretty good which is why most people need to buy unlock codes or get their carrier to unlock their phones for them. It's not very common that end users can crack them.
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SIM Lock and Radio locks are two completely different things. SIM locks are easy to break with a £10 note and a guy with some device, a radio lock is more difficult we dunno if its hardware or software.
Has anyone got an international/uk/europe Atrix that they'd kindly tear to pieces to see if its the same cellular modem?
Since Nokia does clearly say everywhere else except the US that 920 does support 1700Mhz (for obvious reasons), I wonder if the hardware in the AT&T version will be the same as in the int'l version and it'll just be a matter of unlocking the phone to use it on TMo.
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I noticed that too!!
Its now PentaBand WCDMA/HSPA+ at 42Mbps. They added WCDMA 1700Mhz band on the specs.
Originally when the phone was announced last month was listed as QuadBand WCDMA missing the AWS band at 1700Mhz.
If this is true it means one of the following:
1.The band was always there and for some reason software locked and they decided unlock it and release it as a PendaBand.
2.They listen to the complaints (pretty much the same way they did and released the Cyan Color) as the missing AWS band was one the biggest complaints especially from T-Mobile USA subscribers and they decided to include it as well.
3.It is just a typo and Lumia 920 is still QuadBand HSPA.
4.It was a typo from the very beginning and Lumia 920 was always PentaBand.
Now assuming the the phone is PendaBand HSPA+ it will perfectly work with T-Mobile USA current 3G at AWS and with the reformed Network at 1900 they are preparing. It will work with both at 42Mbps speed.
The original unlocked Lumia 920 listed the following 5 LTE bands 800 / 1800 / 2600 / 900 / 2100.
If the unlocked phone comes with those LTE bands will be incompatible with T-Mobile USA upcoming 4G LTE network.
However the American model which AT&T will carry exclusively has the following LTE bands 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
If Nokia also release an unlock/unbranded version of the American model with the above LTE bands and PentaBand HSPA+ this model along with the 42Mbps HSPA will also support T-Mobile's upcoming 4G LTE that coming mid of next year with theoretical speeds of 100Mbps.
Releasing this device will be the perfect option for T-Mobile subscribers as it will be future-proof for their upcoming LTE network.
I am curious to see whats really going on here. Meanwhile I am crossing my fingers. :good:
So Nokia needs to release a international us version?
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lovenokia said:
So Nokia needs to release a international us version?
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Unlocked/Unbranded version of the American model is the correct way of putting it.
Nokia used to have to versions of the unlock devices in the past. The regular version which was usually the European/International model and the NAM versions for North America.
Many devices came like that in the past including the N95 & N95 NAM, 5800 & 5800 NAM, N97 & N97 NAM etc.
All had QuadBand GSM and different bands for 3G, the NAM versions had the American bands for AT&T USA and Rogers for Canada.
Now that PentaBand is standard for 3G/WCDMA, they need to release (and I hope this is the case) the European Model with the European LTE bands and a "NAM" model with the American LTE frequencies.
I guess time will tell what exactly the case is going to be.
But again this is for LTE. Assuming that the information on the spec-sheet is correct and the Lumia 920 comes with WCDMA/AWS 1700 then it will work perfectly with T-Mobile USA and AT&T's HSPA+ at 42Mpbs.
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I noticed that too!!
Its now PentaBand WCDMA/HSPA+ at 42Mbps. They added WCDMA 1700Mhz band on the specs.
Originally when the phone was announced last month was listed as QuadBand WCDMA missing the AWS band at 1700Mhz.
If this is true it means one of the following:
1.The band was always there and for some reason software locked and they decided unlock it and release it as a PendaBand.
2.They listen to the complaints (pretty much the same way they did and released the Cyan Color) as the missing AWS band was one the biggest complaints especially from T-Mobile USA subscribers and they decided to include it as well.
3.It is just a typo and Lumia 920 is still QuadBand HSPA.
4.It was a typo from the very beginning and Lumia 920 was always PentaBand.
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Unfortunatly number 3 is the correct answer.
According to WPCentral.com the AWS 1700Mhz WCDMA support for T-Mobile 3G that listed in specs are just a typo on the website.
If this is the case, you can still use the Lumia 920 under T-Mobile 3G at 1900Mhz.
T-Mobile is reforming their Network and releasing 3G to 1900Mhz now, the problem is that we do not know what markets/areas has this already or how fast the project is moving on and when it will get complete..
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Unfortunatly number 3 is the correct answer.
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That's wrong, because this phone will be using the Snapdragon S4 Plus (MSM8960) which uses Software Defined Radio (SDR) for determining their bands. Obviously you cannot use all at the same time, but any one at any time. The HW supports this (according to the Qualcomm reference design), and if it hasn't been supported before in this chipset, it's probably due poor modem programming and/or unstable behavior, and/or band/bandwidth throttling by service providers networks. It's also an efficient way to make sure your Verizon mobile cannot use AT&T networks and vice verse...
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That's wrong, because this phone will be using the Snapdragon S4 Plus (MSM8960) which uses Software Defined Radio (SDR) for determining their bands. Obviously you cannot use all at the same time, but any one at any time. The HW supports this (according to the Qualcomm reference design), and if it hasn't been supported before in this chipset, it's probably due poor modem programming and/or unstable behavior, and/or band/bandwidth throttling by service providers networks. It's also an efficient way to make sure your Verizon mobile cannot use AT&T networks and vice verse...
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That is why I said its Number 3, according to WPCentral. I am aware of the SDR in the latest generation of Snapdragons, however as its name mention its programmable, meaning they may have turn off the AWS...
For me it doesn't make any sense to list the phone originally with QuadBand WCDMA and then add AWS and list it as a PentaBand.
I mean if it is wrong and its missing the AWS that is making the original listing with QuadBand the correct one, so why they bother changing it?
In the other hand if the SDR scenario applies and the AWS is already there, they may just heard the complains and simply turned ON the AWS band, that is why they added in to the specs meanwhile the Nokia representative that WPCentral reached may not be aware of the new specs yet...
All these are different scenarios, unless we have an official clarification from Nokia, we cannot know for sure until Lumia 920 its been released.
PS. Can you post the link with the detailed specifications of the Snapdragon S4 detailing the SDR? The specs I found does not include any information regarding this. If I am not mistaken and remember correctly SDR is affecting LTE only and its able to catch from 700Mhz - 2600Mhz (for LTE), its programmable to deliver everything between these bands but limited to deliver 5 Bands at a time. I do not remember mentioning WCDMA to be compatible with the SDR, but I may be wrong on that. Please feel free to correct me if that's the case.
According to FCC documents, looks like AWS is there. Question... Will it be disabled in the AT&T version? Unlock possible?
herzzreh said:
According to FCC documents, looks like AWS is there. Question... Will it be disabled in the AT&T version? Unlock possible?
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I read that the FCC Documents for the AT&T model are mentioning AWS (1700) for LTE. This is normal as AT&T's LTE is operating also in AWS.
I didn't read anything regarding AWS for 3G/WCDMA.
If you read back, it specifically mentions wcdma 1700. Document differentiates between lte freqs and wcdma ones.
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Hi everyone,
What settings can I use to configure my phone to T-mobile? I have an ATT unlocked 920 and I only get E signal. At times it switches to 4G and it drops. I read many posts about changing connection speed but I don't have the option. Is there a firmware that I should install in order to get the most use out of my phone?
Thanks to anyone that can help out.
wantlivenow said:
Hi everyone,
What settings can I use to configure my phone to T-mobile? I have an ATT unlocked 920 and I only get E signal. At times it switches to 4G and it drops. I read many posts about changing connection speed but I don't have the option. Is there a firmware that I should install in order to get the most use out of my phone?
Thanks to anyone that can help out.
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Also, is it possible to make ATT phone see Wind/Mobility AWS networks by flashing a different ROM?
lumia 920 unlocked
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Also, is it possible to make ATT phone see Wind/Mobility AWS networks by flashing a different ROM?
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I unlocked my Lumia 920 at&t version yesterday. But it didn't worked with mobilicity. I don't know what's the problem. Can any one help.
It seems that ATT version, unlike Rogers version, has AWS disabled. And apparently it is not controlled by the firmware image itself, because I flashed Rogers rom. We need to find a way to turn it back on...
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It seems that ATT version, unlike Rogers version, has AWS disabled. And apparently it is not controlled by the firmware image itself, because I flashed Rogers rom. We need to find a way to turn it back on...
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So even that didn't worked??? I think so it wont gonna work.I just emailed to nokia care they say, even flashing the phone with different rom wont gonna work. It's not controlled by firmware.Then too i am planning to flash with rogers version!1 What you suggest????
nokian10 said:
So even that didn't worked??? I think so it wont gonna work.I just emailed to nokia care they say, even flashing the phone with different rom wont gonna work. It's not controlled by firmware.Then too i am planning to flash with rogers version!1 What you suggest????
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What is AWS?
will att lumia 920 work with tmobile 4g network?
wcwei5800 said:
will att lumia 920 work with tmobile 4g network?
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For some reason, when I go to different areas around my city, I get 4G, but when I am at home, it switches to edge.
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What is AWS?
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AT&T version doesnt have 1700 frequency so it wont gonna work on WIND / MOBILICITY.
nokian10 said:
AT&T version doesnt have 1700 frequency so it wont gonna work on WIND / MOBILICITY.
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I still don't get this part - are phones sold by ATT and Rogers different in hardware? Because people reported using Wind/Mobilicity on inlocked Rogers phones without any issues. I was under the impression that ATT phone should also work if flashed with Rogers firmware. Is it not the case?
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What is AWS?
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AWS stands for Advanced Wireless Services (wikipedia). It uses 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz bands, and only a few phones support these bands.
So there no way to enable 4g on a AT&T Lumia. I love this phone but if there no way to fix this then what the point on having a slow connection
I have it enabled after they gave me the unlock code. I haven't done anything special to enable it apart from the regular phone updates. I'm not in the USA.
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I still don't get this part - are phones sold by ATT and Rogers different in hardware? Because people reported using Wind/Mobilicity on inlocked Rogers phones without any issues. I was under the impression that ATT phone should also work if flashed with Rogers firmware. Is it not the case?
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AWS stands for Advanced Wireless Services (wikipedia). It uses 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz bands, and only a few phones support these bands.
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yes, Thats what nokia canada told me in a reply that even if you flash it, it wont gonna work
wantlivenow said:
Hi everyone,
What settings can I use to configure my phone to T-mobile? I have an ATT unlocked 920 and I only get E signal. At times it switches to 4G and it drops. I read many posts about changing connection speed but I don't have the option. Is there a firmware that I should install in order to get the most use out of my phone?
Thanks to anyone that can help out.
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AT&T L920 has AWS 3G disabled by default. You must flash an alternate ROM to enable it.
peconaut said:
So there no way to enable 4g on a AT&T Lumia. I love this phone but if there no way to fix this then what the point on having a slow connection
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Yes you can.
nokian10 said:
yes, Thats what nokia canada told me in a reply that even if you flash it, it wont gonna work
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They are wrong. They do not want people flashing ROMs on their phone so of course they'll say something like that.
Flash a different ROM to enable AWS band.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2097815&highlight=aws+3g
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AT&T L920 has AWS 3G disabled by default. You must flash an alternate ROM to enable it.
Yes you can.
They are wrong. They do not want people flashing ROMs on their phone so of course they'll say something like that.
Flash a different ROM to enable AWS band.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2097815&highlight=aws+3g
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I looked through the thread and I assume this method is still possible? If I enable the AWS band will I be able to get 3g and 4g on my phone? (Currently, I have E and 4G, but my house is at the end of the 4g signal...lol.)
wantlivenow said:
I looked through the thread and I assume this method is still possible? If I enable the AWS band will I be able to get 3g and 4g on my phone? (Currently, I have E and 4G, but my house is at the end of the 4g signal...lol.)
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Yes, you will have 100% access to ALL of T-Mobile's network.
BUT the European ROM does not call HSPA+ "4G", it says H+ in the status bar. The European networks never followed T-Mobile's bull**** of calling HSPA+ a 4G network.
Look at the RM-821 column in this chart to see what each connection type will be labeled with a European ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=37197816&postcount=51
If you WANT I believe you can flash the Rogers ROM after flashing the Euro Dev ROM if you want the T-Mobile connection labels. Rogers and AT&T L920 ROMs also get updates before the European ROMs, so that is another thing to consider.
petard said:
Yes, you will have 100% access to ALL of T-Mobile's network.
BUT the European ROM does not call HSPA+ "4G", it says H+ in the status bar. The European networks never followed T-Mobile's bull**** of calling HSPA+ a 4G network.
Look at the RM-821 column in this chart to see what each connection type will be labeled with a European ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=37197816&postcount=51
If you WANT I believe you can flash the Rogers ROM after flashing the Euro Dev ROM if you want the T-Mobile connection labels. Rogers and AT&T L920 ROMs also get updates before the European ROMs, so that is another thing to consider.
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I'm currently on European DEV ROM. How exactly do you folks confirm that AWS is indeed working? Can anyone please confirm that you were able to get Wind Home on unlocked ATT Lumia 920 that has been flashed to Rogers, European and then back to Rogers ROM?
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I'm currently on European DEV ROM. How exactly do you folks confirm that AWS is indeed working? Can anyone please confirm that you were able to get Wind Home on unlocked ATT Lumia 920 that has been flashed to Rogers, European and then back to Rogers ROM?
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If you are able to connect to an AWS network. I personally use AT&T so I can't test it out, just repeating what others have said. What I know is that people with Rogers pentaband RM-820s flashed the AT&T ROM and that disabled AWS. Flashing Rogers back didn't re-enable it. So it seems that some ROMs like AT&T reprogram the bands and some like Rogers don't. I don't know any of this for sure, though.
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If you are able to connect to an AWS network. I personally use AT&T so I can't test it out, just repeating what others have said. What I know is that people with Rogers pentaband RM-820s flashed the AT&T ROM and that disabled AWS. Flashing Rogers back didn't re-enable it. So it seems that some ROMs like AT&T reprogram the bands and some like Rogers don't. I don't know any of this for sure, though.
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The most important question now is - which ROMs can reprogam these bands back. With TMo its hard to confirm you are actually getting AWS and not the 1900 MHz 3G. I'm waiting for someone to confirm that with a true AWS carrier (Wind, Mobilicity).
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The most important question now is - which ROMs can reprogam these bands back. With TMo its hard to confirm you are actually getting AWS and not the 1900 MHz 3G. I'm waiting for someone to confirm that with a true AWS carrier (Wind, Mobilicity).
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Yeah if you're in an area with 1900MHz 3G then it is impossible to tell I think. I do not believe the 920 has any good diagnostics app.
Reading through the forums though multiple people have stated that AT&T ROM disables AWS and that euro dev ROM enables AWS. One person stated that the euro dev ROM did not enable AWS and instead he flashed through a ton of different ROMs including some latin america ROMs before finally getting AWS enabled. It's all in the thread I linked to earlier from January.
Does the AT&T M8 have the same radio bands/frequencies as the developer edition?
As far as the specs listed, and as far as I know, yes.
Although some folks have found that the versions sometimes contain band support for bands not listed in a particular versions specs. So the longer answer, is that there may be some small hidden differences (additional support bands on one versus the other).
It might be more useful for you to describe your intent, what you are trying to accomplish etc.
For instance, if you have the necessary bands for your carrier on the Dev Edition, changing to AT&T won't change that.
But the band support is either identical or at the most, minor differences.
I have a gold AT&T M8... It's unlocked s-off, etc... (bought it off Swappa loaded with Dev edition, s-off/unlocked, etc)
My carrier is T-Mobile... currently I have it flashed with the Dev edition of Marshmallow... I THINK my radio's the MM edition... (H-boot shows the radio is listed as 1.29.214500021.24_2G/OS as 6.12.1540.4)
Just trying to make sure I'm running something that won't leave me hanging on radio's... I've dabbled with GPE and T-Mo roms... but wasn't sure if the Dev radio would try and support bands that the hardware won't actually support...
Is there a real way to verify the bands the hardware will support?
scifan said:
I have a gold AT&T M8... It's unlocked s-off, etc... (bought it off Swappa loaded with Dev edition, s-off/unlocked, etc)
My carrier is T-Mobile... currently I have it flashed with the Dev edition of Marshmallow... I THINK my radio's the MM edition... (H-boot shows the radio is listed as 1.29.214500021.24_2G/OS as 6.12.1540.4)
Just trying to make sure I'm running something that won't leave me hanging on radio's... I've dabbled with GPE and T-Mo roms... but wasn't sure if the Dev radio would try and support bands that the hardware won't actually support...
Is there a real way to verify the bands the hardware will support?
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The hardware is identical between the T-Mob, AT&T, Dev Ed and most other M8 versions. Band support is determined by the radio baseband firmware.
That being said, you do indeed have the MM radio, and most likely the Dev Ed radio (can't seem to find that radio number, at the moment), which is designed to work on AT&T's network. That means on T-Mob, you will have 2G (voice and EDGE data), 3G 1900 MHz (Band 2) and LTE (AWS); but you will not have 3G (HSPA) where T-Mob is using the HSPA AWS band (3G Band 4). This may or may not be an issue depending on your location. From what I'm reading, T-Mob is in the process of shutting down 3G service on the AWS band anyway, and migrating all 3G service to 1900 MHz (HSPA Band 2), one market region at a time. So you may not need the 3G AWS band, anyway.
However, if you find you need 3G AWS band at your location, you may want to go the the MM T-Mob radio once that update rolls out. Another option (if you really need the 3G AWS band now) might be to roll back to T-Mob Lollipop firmware, but that may cause its own complications.
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The hardware is identical between the T-Mob, AT&T, Dev Ed and most other M8 versions. Band support is determined by the radio baseband firmware.
That being said, you do indeed have the MM radio, and most likely the Dev Ed radio (can't seem to find that radio number, at the moment), which is designed to work on AT&T's network. That means on T-Mob, you will have 2G (voice and EDGE data), 3G 1900 MHz (Band 2) and LTE (AWS); but you will not have 3G (HSPA) where T-Mob is using the HSPA AWS band (3G Band 4). This may or may not be an issue depending on your location. From what I'm reading, T-Mob is in the process of shutting down 3G service on the AWS band anyway, and migrating all 3G service to 1900 MHz (HSPA Band 2), one market region at a time. So you may not need the 3G AWS band, anyway.
However, if you find you need 3G AWS band at your location, you may want to go the the MM T-Mob radio once that update rolls out. Another option (if you really need the 3G AWS band now) might be to roll back to T-Mob Lollipop firmware, but that may cause its own complications.
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The last time I ran a T-Mo radio on my M8 HSPA wouldn't work at all because even though they'd refarmed my area, it would try and run on frequencies my phone didn't have... (it was LTE or no data)
And I either was able to get a stable Bluetooth connection, or a stable cellular data connection... but I couldn't get both to be happy at the same time... (I found switching from WiFi to Cellular was problematic under some of the 4.x stock OS's... and then bluetooth was spotty under most of the stock 5.x rom's... and cellular switching wasn't consistent under ASOP...)
I don't know... I think at this point, I'm going to see what happens after the rest of the Sense MM releases come out... if I can't get something consistent, I'll probably work on selling this one and move to a new phone... it's nearly time anyway.
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The last time I ran a T-Mo radio on my M8 HSPA wouldn't work at all because even though they'd refarmed my area, it would try and run on frequencies my phone didn't have... (it was LTE or no data)
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I don't know what you mean that "it would try and run on frequencies my phone didn't have" as that really doesn't make sense (or I'm not properly understanding what you mean).
T-Mob radio is designed to run on their network, so 3G should work whether its refarmed (1900 Band 2) or not (AWS Band 4).
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And I either was able to get a stable Bluetooth connection, or a stable cellular data connection... but I couldn't get both to be happy at the same time... (I found switching from WiFi to Cellular was problematic under some of the 4.x stock OS's... and then bluetooth was spotty under most of the stock 5.x rom's... and cellular switching wasn't consistent under ASOP...)
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Hard to speculate what the issue there was, as I don't know the specifics of what ROM(s) you were on (version, stock, custom) as well as what firmware number. But what I normally would have recommended, is to baseline to full stock T-Mob using RUU, and go from there; to eliminate mismatches between ROM, firmware, etc.
But it sounds like you are past that point, and not necessarily looking for fixes for things that happened in the past.
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I don't know what you mean that "it would try and run on frequencies my phone didn't have" as that really doesn't make sense (or I'm not properly understanding what you mean).
T-Mob radio is designed to run on their network, so 3G should work whether its refarmed (1900 Band 2) or not (AWS Band 4).
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I've read elsewhere that if your baseband/radio includes frequencies your phone actually doesn't have hardware to support, that you can get stuck where your device will try and utilize that frequency and not realize that it's failing to communicate... I don't know if this was the situation, but it was significantly impacting my cellular data experience...
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Hard to speculate what the issue there was, as I don't know the specifics of what ROM(s) you were on (version, stock, custom) as well as what firmware number. But what I normally would have recommended, is to baseline to full stock T-Mob using RUU, and go from there; to eliminate mismatches between ROM, firmware, etc.
But it sounds like you are past that point, and not necessarily looking for fixes for things that happened in the past.
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When I originally moved to 4.4.x on T-Mobile, I RUU'd the phone... I want to say that I've had to do this once or twice when I soft bricked my phone in the past as well... I've made too many changes to speculate on one baseband/rom or another... I've flopped back and forth between being fully GPE and a combo of Sense Firmware and GPE rom...
At this point, I'm running the MM Dev firmware and rooted Dev Rom from This thread.
Btw, normally, the bluetooth issues I've experienced are pauses in music playback... with my current configuration sometimes I'll see bluetooth disconnect once after it initially connects.... Pandora controls work well. and everything else works as expected.
scifan said:
I've read elsewhere that if your baseband/radio includes frequencies your phone actually doesn't have hardware to support, that you can get stuck where your device will try and utilize that frequency and not realize that it's failing to communicate... I don't know if this was the situation, but it was significantly impacting my cellular data experience...
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The only such instance I am aware of on the M8 that is similar to what you describe, is if you try to flash a "GSM" radio (basically any non-CDMA version) to one of the CDMA variants (Sprint, Verizon) which results in a radio brick. Meaning the phone doesn't work, but it breaks the radio. But this is an issue unique to Sprint, Verizon M8.
All other M8 versions (with the odd exceptions of the dual SIM, and M8 Eye - which are really different devices) are identical in hardware and the radios are interchangeable.
Even with the CDMA M8, from what I understand, the hardware is the same as the GSM versions. Its just the partitioning that is different that causes the radio brick.
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The only such instance I am aware of on the M8 that is similar to what you describe, is if you try to flash a "GSM" radio (basically any non-CDMA version) to one of the CDMA variants (Sprint, Verizon) which results in a radio brick. Meaning the phone doesn't work, but it breaks the radio. But this is an issue unique to Sprint, Verizon M8.
All other M8 versions (with the odd exceptions of the dual SIM, and M8 Eye - which are really different devices) are identical in hardware and the radios are interchangeable.
Even with the CDMA M8, from what I understand, the hardware is the same as the GSM versions. Its just the partitioning that is different that causes the radio brick.
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I know I've flashed back and forth between T-Mobile, AT&T, GPE and Dev radio's without breaking things... it just seemed that some radio frequencies didn't work...
Actually the reason I got a att m8 off swappa was because of the increased amount of bands over the tmobile version
Holds all lte and hspa bands along with additional lte ones