Hello everybody !
I began this thread because I want to port a Sense 5.0 ROM on HTC Flyer, tablet which was too long neglected by the devs ...... and its own creator! Although I have no knowledge on the subject, I decided to go through with my plan, regardless of the difficulties !
The main obstacle that occurs to me is the "base ROM" : from which device should the ROM come, knowing that there are currently, only 5 units in Sense 5.0 & SoC Qualcomm :
¤HTC Desire 600 (Qualcomm Snapdragon 200 8625Q - 1.2Ghz - 45nm)
¤ HTC One Mini (Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 8290AB - 1.4Ghz - 28nm)
- my 2 main choices
¤ HTC Butterfly S (Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064T 600 - 1.9Ghz - 28nm)
¤ HTC One (Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064T 600 - 1.6Ghz - 28nm)
¤ HTC Butterfly (Qualcomm APQ8064 Snapdragon S4 Pro - 1.5Ghz - 28nm)
Knowing that the Flyer runs on a Qualcomm Snapdragon S2 MSM8255T - 1.5Ghz - 45nm, what would be the most appropriate device ? Personally, I started with the idea of working on the HTC Desire 600's ROM, but question is : the Dual SIM functionality will be a problem for me ? Should I focus on the compatibility between the diagonals screen or on the processor's ? These are the questions which abound in my head !
I hope you'll help me in this (quite huge) project !
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Are there any glaring reasons that will make it impossible to cook a WP 8 ROM for the Titan? Might we someday expect DFT to conquer this?
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fillippe said:
Are there any glaring reasons that will make it impossible to cook a WP 8 ROM for the Titan? Might we someday expect DFT to conquer this?
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I think it's a (little) too early to ask!!
I think any processes that utilize the dual core processor will be the problem with having WP8 on our phone. I'm sure other features that don't utilize the hardware will be included in 7.8, and those that can be ported will hopefully work as well.
No one says WP8 phones HAS to be dual core. The new desktop OS based core is flexible enough to support various hardware configurations and there should not be any impact on software.
who knows.. Through custom roms, we may be able to port wp8, let's wait until it ripens.
I think the biggest hurdle is the fact that WP8 is encrypted at the hardware level, thus getting a kitchen to work with in the first place is going to require some serious hacking, luck and most importantly: funds.
Dual core
foxbat121 said:
No one says WP8 phones HAS to be dual core. The new desktop OS based core is flexible enough to support various hardware configurations and there should not be any impact on software.
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Wait, let me see:
Windows Phone 7 (NoDo / Mango / Tango) = Snapdragon S2 (single core: 800 Mhz till 1500 Mhz, mostly 1000 Mhz*)
Windows Phone 8 (Apollo / Unknown) = Snapdragon S4 (dual core: 1500 till 1700 Mhz, mostly 1500 Mhz*)
This is a fact
*Mhz is megaherz, 1000 Mhz = 1 Ghz (gigaherz)
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Wait, let me see:
Windows Phone 7 (NoDo / Mango / Tango) = Snapdragon S2 (single core: 800 Mhz till 1500 Mhz, mostly 1000 Mhz*)
Windows Phone 8 (Apollo / Unknown) = Snapdragon S4 (dual core: 1500 till 1700 Mhz, mostly 1500 Mhz*)
This is a fact
*Mhz is megaherz, 1000 Mhz = 1 Ghz (gigaherz)
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Yeah, and Windows 8 "requires" at least a 1.0GHz single core, but I have personally installed it on my 800MHz HTC Shift.
If desktop 8 can run on single core, so can WP8. They share the same kernel. Those "requirements" are manufacturer guidelines, they mean nothing.
the main problem are the drivers....i think only htc can write new drivers for new kernel
Lets just wait and see.. Htc magician/o2 mini was able to run Wm6.1,despite that no drivers were officially released . Same as htc hd2 which was able to run wp7. Maybe our titan can run wp8,hopefully..
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Lets just wait and see.. Htc magician/o2 mini was able to run Wm6.1,despite that no drivers were officially released . Same as htc hd2 which was able to run wp7. Maybe our titan can run wp8,hopefully..
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Mostly because those wp7 drivers were leaked, the HD2 was a development phone. So if HTC used the titan for WP8 testing and if those test drivers are leaked or a group like DFT gets them then yes we might see WP8, but i doubt it.
look at this : http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tx_t_and_v_benchmarks_are_here_promising_too-news-4722.php
in the results, the new line of sony xperias, r getting better results on benchmarks than galaxy s3. How can it be? How xperia t with almost the same specification than xperia s gets better results than galaxy s3 with his quadcore processor ?
Quad core is not yet optimized in android
Android is not ready yet for quad core
Dual core is more than enough for android (well ICS)
Because i think jellybean quad core will do better (CMIIW)
Its not just Xperia T all device that use S4 "krait" Dual Core benchmark is always better than exynos
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Its the next gen snapdragon S4 plus krait processor..u can find out about those over at their site Qualcomm Snapdragon Processors. Just because S3 and HTC ONE X has quad core doesnt make it act fast coz despite of the cores, the normal apps doesn need to use the quads. May be ull get better gaming fps and smoothness with tegra 3 but when its come to web browsing, stability and working potential the snapdragon chipsets actually does a lot of good work. Waiting for the LG Optimus G. Heard they used S4 PRO Quad Krait
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Its the next gen snapdragon S4 plus krait processor..u can find out about those over at their site Qualcomm Snapdragon Processors. Just because S3 and HTC ONE X has quad core doesnt make it act fast coz despite of the cores, the normal apps doesn need to use the quads. May be ull get better gaming fps and smoothness with tegra 3 but when its come to web browsing, stability and working potential the snapdragon chipsets actually does a lot of good work. Waiting for the LG Optimus G. Heard they used S4 PRO Quad Krait
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Quad Krait
Sounds pretty scary
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and about the difference on results between xperia t and xperia s?
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look at this : http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tx_t_and_v_benchmarks_are_here_promising_too-news-4722.php
in the results, the new line of sony xperias, r getting better results on benchmarks than galaxy s3. How can it be? How xperia t with almost the same specification than xperia s gets better results than galaxy s3 with his quadcore processor ?
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Because cores != performance.
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Because it's not about number of cores.
Typically the phones with more cores run them at slower clock speeds, canceling out the difference.
It's all about getting a BALANCED spec, which includes I/O rates, flash speed, memory channels, memory bandwidth, cpu cores, cpu power management latency and literally hundreds of other factors.
Both Sony and Samsung are tier 1 manufacturers, which is why they know how to spend money in the right areas when it comes to component costs.
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and about the difference on results between xperia t and xperia s?
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XS Use S3 processor, No Ext Memory, no LTE, 12mp camera
While XT S4 processor, Ext Mem, LTE support, and 14mp camera
If you talking about benchmark
Its pretty far i think thanks to the S4
But the downside is the illumination bar
I really love that bar. if xperia T have that bar i will upgrade without thinking anymore
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Quad Krait
Sounds pretty scary
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The new gen S4 PRO comes in two form, Dual and Quad..LG Optimus G went with the Quad 1.5GHz and a shattering 320GPU. Its gona be pretty fast in 3D rendered games for sure and as its Qualcomm then u can very easily bet that there battery consumption will be less than usual Quads
Qualcomm doesn't use reference ARM Design. they just get the license for A9/A15.
They have their own Design like Apple with their SoC.
The Sony Xperia S has the MSM8660 which is a Snapdragon S3 (45nm, Single Channel RAM, Andreno 220 GPU).
The Sony Xperia T has the MSM8260a which is a Snapdragon S4 (28nm, Dual Channel RAM, Andreno 225 GPU).
The difference is also in the architecture.
S3 = Scorpion: This is the own Design of Qualcomm which is compareable with ARM Cortex A9
S4 = Krait: This is also designed by Qualcomm and is compareable with ARM Cortex A15
The performance of Snapdragon SoC's is incredible. Its not just, that Android is not yet optimized for Quad-Core SoC's but also the Design.
There are already benches available showing the APQ8064 which is a Quad-Core with Andreno 320 GPU. There is no compareable SoC at the moment and if I'm not wrong the LG Optimus G will get this SoC (Q1/Q2 2013).
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Qualcomm doesn't use reference ARM Design. they just get the license for A9/A15.
They have their own Design like Apple with their SoC.
The Sony Xperia S has the MSM8660 which is a Snapdragon S3 (45nm, Single Channel RAM, Andreno 220 GPU).
The Sony Xperia T has the MSM8260a which is a Snapdragon S4 (28nm, Dual Channel RAM, Andreno 225 GPU).
The difference is also in the architecture.
S3 = Scorpion: This is the own Design of Qualcomm which is compareable with ARM Cortex A9
S4 = Krait: This is also designed by Qualcomm and is compareable with ARM Cortex A15
The performance of Snapdragon SoC's is incredible. Its not just, that Android is not yet optimized for Quad-Core SoC's but also the Design.
There are already benches available showing the APQ8064 which is a Quad-Core with Andreno 320 GPU. There is no compareable SoC at the moment and if I'm not wrong the LG Optimus G will get this SoC (Q1/Q2 2013).
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For better GPU performance, i have seen Qualcomm betting more on MSM8960 than any other. I am waiting for S4 PRO MSM8960T chipset review (will surely be used over TABS only) lets see what it got. Didnt read nor know anything about APQ8064 model and i dont think dat we will get to know about that chipset unless LG releases their Optimus G. Xperia T has the AP series from S4 PLUS but S4 PRO is a total new ball game . Am guessing that the next gen S4 chips can easily be overclocked to 2GHz+ as my Xperia-S is already running on 1.78GHZ smoothly and its a Dual Core S3 . LG announced 2GB of ram for the Optimus G so, basically, 2GHz+ of overclocked QUAD PROCESSOR with 2GB ram is a must have for any enthusiast android developer/user. And if they manufacturer make it to a perfection than for sure its a must kept for the next 2/3 years as android for quads, wont be developed before that time but WITHIN that time. That 320GPU is already like a cherry on top so for now, am just keeping my fingers crossed to know how the battery will perform :fingers-crossed:. Then again, thats just my prediction and thoughts . As is said before, Qualcomm already won my faith over their chipsets . More like Dejavu ..More power work yet less power consumed
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Quad core is not yet optimized in android
Android is not ready yet for quad core
Dual core is more than enough for android (well ICS)
Because i think jellybean quad core will do better (CMIIW)
Its not just Xperia T all device that use S4 "krait" Dual Core benchmark is always better than exynos
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If in future quadcore will be good for android then s3 not gonna be outdated soon
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If in future quadcore will be good for android then s3 not gonna be outdated soon
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It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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S3 powered by Tegra 3? Where did you read that? It has either the Quad Core Exynos or Dual Core S4 Krait in some models variations.
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It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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LOL S3 have Quad Core Exynos .. Tegra 3 is for HTC ONE X and Xperia T came with S4 Plus Dual Core Krait which actually has beaten S3 and HTC both to some serious extent. Hell, HTC ONE S beats one x to some serious level BOTTOM LINE : Qualcomm holds the authentic brain power for androids
I have some question on my mind before i buy new Android Smartphone !
please guide me about Processor
Like MTK / Cortex / Qualcomm / Scorpion / Snapdragon
may be its a brand but which one is better if they all is 1 GHz ?
or if they all Running on 1 GHz that means they all Dual Core or Single Core?
personally ask which one is better Processor ?
MTK6573 With PowerVR 531 GPU
or
Qualcomm Scorpian With Adreno 200 GPU
both are 1 GHz !
Dual core > single core
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Both if both dualcore then which one is good? If both singlecore then which one is good?
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Adreno 200 is a bit old for these days. All the processors have their pros and cons. It's up to you which one you buy. I prefer Qualcomm. But its not always the better choice
that means PowerVR SXG531 GPU is better then adreno 200 right ?
Hi guys
I want to buy a New Phone and i wanna ask Which Phone is better for games (N.O.V.A 3 / Shadowgun / Asphalt 7....)
Which phone is better Note 2 ot HTC One x plus
Note 2 - Exynos 4 1.6 GHz (CPU) / Mali - 400MP (GPU)
HTC One x plus - Tegra 3 1.7 GHz (CPU) / ULP Geforce 2 (GPU)
which one is better ?
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Hi guys
I want to buy a New Phone and i wanna ask Which Phone is better for games (N.O.V.A 3 / Shadowgun / Asphalt 7....)
Which phone is better Note 2 ot HTC One x plus
Note 2 - Exynos 4 1.6 GHz (CPU) / Mali - 400MP (GPU)
HTC One x plus - Tegra 3 1.7 GHz (CPU) / ULP Geforce 2 (GPU)
which one is better ?
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Someone can help me please ?
aKtiMeL said:
Hi guys
I want to buy a New Phone and i wanna ask Which Phone is better for games (N.O.V.A 3 / Shadowgun / Asphalt 7....)
Which phone is better Note 2 ot HTC One x plus
Note 2 - Exynos 4 1.6 GHz (CPU) / Mali - 400MP (GPU)
HTC One x plus - Tegra 3 1.7 GHz (CPU) / ULP Geforce 2 (GPU)
which one is better ?
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Please help me i need an answer
Note 2 is definitely better. But if you don't like large size than one x+ is also good. One x+ will also have access to tegra exclusive games.
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I have an XL and had an amazing time with Qualcomm and now I want to upgrade to the X+ but I am worried about the gaming area. Is it better than the XL or not because the X+ has 1.7 quad core but with the nvidia chip and XL has the Qualcomm one. So I was really confused.
MehmoodUlHassan said:
I have an XL and had an amazing time with Qualcomm and now I want to upgrade to the X+ but I am worried about the gaming area. Is it better than the XL or not because the X+ has 1.7 quad core but with the nvidia chip and XL has the Qualcomm one. So I was really confused.
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Ok, let's get technical shall we?
Which model cpu does ur xl have (eg snapragon xxx msmxxx)
And how much ram do you have?
MehmoodUlHassan said:
I have an XL and had an amazing time with Qualcomm and now I want to upgrade to the X+ but I am worried about the gaming area. Is it better than the XL or not because the X+ has 1.7 quad core but with the nvidia chip and XL has the Qualcomm one. So I was really confused.
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In this case, upgrading to the X+ would be wasted money (my opinion). Not that it's a bad phone, i'm very satisfied with my X+. But if you really want to upgrade for gaming reasons, you probably should go for a newer phone (for example with Qualcomm Snapdragon 600/800). Tegra3 SoC (especially the GPU) isn't that strong when it comes to 3D games. Also Tegra3 is made in a 40nm process (newer ones are in 28nm already) which results in high power consumption and heat output on heavy loads.