My dear Canvas HD friends, Next time you boast about your Quad-Core processor to your HTC or Samsung friends, you might wanna watch your tongue. Because most branded phones come with a Cortex A9 or Custom ARM (Qualcomm Scorpion, Krait,etc.) processors. Whereas our Canvas HD has only a Cortex A7 processor. You may ask why? Well, that's because, A Cortex A7 based processor, even if it has the same clockspeed and Number of cores, When compared to a Cortex A9 based processor, the difference in architecture means a considerable difference in the performance of these processors.
Here is the comparisons.
A Cortex A9 is about 30% faster than a Cortex A7 processor. A Krait is over 70% faster than an A7 and a Cortex A15 is over 80% faster than an A7.
This means that a 1Ghz Cortex A9 processor is more powerful than a 1.2Ghz A7 processor and a 1Ghz Qualcomm Krait processor is more powerful than a 1.5Ghz A7 processor.
Our Canvas HD has MediaTek's MT6589 1.2Ghz Cortex A7 based processor. Not that it is slow. But you can compare it with other branded phones and know where it actually stands.
Source: How powerful is the new Quad-core Cortex-A7 MediaTek MT6589 processor? (check #7)
I was always wondering what's the difference between Cortex A7 and A9. I always knew something was missing. But my mind always chose to stick with Canvas HD is more powerful than Galaxy Grand. Today, I'm forced to accept the fact that Galaxy Grand (which is always compared with our Canvas HD), despite having only a Dual-core 1.2Ghz A9 processor, iis more powerful than a Canvas HD having Quad-core 1.2Ghz A7 processor.
More facts:
ARM's Cortex A7 is actually newer than A9. It is slower and more energy efficient than A9.
But, if you haven't noticed in galaxy s4.. even with a powerful processor like Quad-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A7, there is not much difference in the performance... but the htc one is amazing..
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ladiesman6 said:
But, if you haven't noticed in galaxy s4.. even with a powerful processor like Quad-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A7, there is not much difference in the performance... but the htc one is amazing..
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Galaxy S4 uses the Exynos 5 Octa-core processor. Although it has 8 cores (A Quad-core 1.6GHz Cortex-A15 processor + a Quad-core 1.2GHz Cortex-A7 processor), the phone uses only 4 at a time. A15 is powerful. Good for playing high resolution games. while A7 is energy-efficient. Good for Battery. So the phone uses the A7 processor most of the time and switches to A15 only when the pressure really increases. this is how it works. you won't see much difference in it's performance when you compare it with other phones, unless it starts running with it's A15 cores. :laugh: A15 is the most powerful processor in the market right now.
Source: Galaxy S4: Samsung's 8-core processor explained
HTC One having Qualcomm's Quad-core 1.7Ghz Krait processor is almost equal in performance compared to the processor of Galaxy S4. because Qualcomm's Krait is 10% slower than the S4's Quad-core 1.6Ghz A15 processor. Not just that, the S4 even has the upper hand here since it is also energy efficient with it's A7 cores. Samsung totally rocks.
But if you use a116 and galaxy grand u will see the difference! Grand lags a lot and the UI is slow and laggy! My sister and 1 of my friend bought grand and within 5 days it got so laggy dat they sold it off! And this was with no apps installed! Only whatsapp!
bulls#it ... cortex a9 is not powerfull.. mediatek didnt use a9 over a7 because a9 is just little more powerful than a7 .. bt a9 eats a lot of battery.. and a7 is power efficient yet powerfull... do you think why samsung use 4 cores of a7 instead of a9 for power efficiency???
and atlast all the krait cpus are a15.... .most powerfull till now..
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inder swami said:
bulls#it ... cortex a9 is not powerfull.. mediatek didnt use a9 over a7 because a9 is just little more powerful than a7 .. bt a9 eats a lot of battery.. and a7 is power efficient yet powerfull... do you think why samsung use 4 cores of a7 instead of a9 for power efficiency???
and atlast all the krait cpus are a15.... .most powerfull till now..
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A9 dual core is as good as a A7 quad core processor...
But u hv noted a good point that A7 is battery efficient than A9 .. just because of the architecture.. and as it consumes less battery it gives slightly less performance..
And IMO mediatek did not include A9 because that wud make cost high and their target audience needs cheaper phones..Not because they r bothered about efficiency
Not to burst your bubble but ultimately UI is extremely important to determine performance, not just processor power. I have used both Galaxy Grand ( of a friend ) and My canvas HD , let me tell you that the Grand cannot be compared to Canvas at all. I can easily multitask on Canvas while Grand stutters and stumbles towards the finish line. And Grand has just 200-250 MB free ram usually while canvas has 450-500. Just try this, Play a Heavy Game like NFS or Nova , and come out to message on Whatsapp or open another application. 90% of the time Grand closes the previous app while canvas still has it. So, DONT compare the processors, compare the performance as a whole.
P.S - Check Antutu benchmark on both Phones, thank you.
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Not to burst your bubble but ultimately UI is extremely important to determine performance, not just processor power. I have used both Galaxy Grand ( of a friend ) and My canvas HD , let me tell you that the Grand cannot be compared to Canvas at all. I can easily multitask on Canvas while Grand stutters and stumbles towards the finish line. And Grand has just 200-250 MB free ram usually while canvas has 450-500. Just try this, Play a Heavy Game like NFS or Nova , and come out to message on Whatsapp or open another application. 90% of the time Grand closes the previous app while canvas still has it. So, DONT compare the processors, compare the performance as a whole.
P.S - Check Antutu benchmark on both Phones, thank you.
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Coming from a nexus phone , specs don't really matter for common use ,as long as ui is close to stock any phone will rock. I think grand sucks at this due to Twiz ui put a asop on it and it will rock ; this is what mmx did with their ui that's why so our phone is more fluid then others.
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Grand VS Micromax
Lets be Fair enuf i brought my bro grand when it was newly launcher in india in month of feb ........
Wat I Found Remember both phones are runing on stock roms and are not rooted
Grand Duos OS android 4.2.2 With Touchwiz
Premium Look And feel
Lots of Sensors
Gps With GLNSS Locks Instantaneously
Aswme Twz Ui
Multi window ( awsme)
Con
Very Laggy
Restarts or Hangs After Often
Very Few Apps Supported ( For example games like real racing 3 and other subway surfer latest doesnt work)
This Grand Also Hangs with Other third Party launcher Like Apex and Nova
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Mircomax A116 OS Android 4.2.1
Fluid Ui
Good looks
Faster Processor
good multi tasking
Games Run Very good leaving Few heavy games
Very Good Resolution Screen
Good App Support via play Store
Con
Very Bad Build Quality
Poor Quailty Screen Compare to OGS Glass in Xolo Q800 Wich Comes in far less price but with same spec
Bad Gps
Very Few Senors
No Magnetic sensors (i have magnetic sensor even in my samsung galaxy Apollo or i5801
Too Be Noted i tried Heavy launcher like Next launcher 3d with samsung like transition animation and also my Screen Is full of widgets also running heavy wallpaper which is My beach HD i haven't noticed and lag in micromax A 116
SO MICROMAX STILL BETTER COMPARED TO GRAND DUOS
I agree with that .. the only two major drawbacks I noticed about the 116HD , are one about the GPS it's too bad... takes a hell lot of time to work.. and then about the build quality... but the performance and battery backup is far better than I thought it would be...
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Bro any quad core soc (a7 or a9) will have an upper hand on dual core soc..
Both in terms of battery usage and speed. So comparing grand with chd is not done..
And 1 more thing canvas hd is a budget quad core device if u need premium experience then go for nexus we didn't said that our device is better than nexus 4..
So stop comparing. If u have enough bucks than go for htc, apple etc.. U are not forced..
Cheers..
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GRAND vs CANVAS HD
never go for numbers......its all about the user experience.....i am having both device for use (i own HD an my sis use GRAND) purchased within weeks...so as per my experience i can say CANVAS HD is better than GRAND in most of the fronts except camera and GPS (btw who use GPS on daily basis ???).... Grand is laggy as comapare to HD and most of the S features are just gimmick (rarely use,consume more battery)
My canvas HD is still smooth ...never face any lag while playing games (shadowgun,blood and glory,dead trigger,virtual tennis and lot more)
Grand do have samsung brand name with it but that brand name cost you 4-5k more.
tanmoyc said:
Lets be Fair enuf i brought my bro grand when it was newly launcher in india in month of feb ........
Wat I Found Remember both phones are runing on stock roms and are not rooted
Grand Duos OS android 4.2.2 With Touchwiz
Premium Look And feel
Lots of Sensors
Gps With GLNSS Locks Instantaneously
Aswme Twz Ui
Multi window ( awsme)
Con
Very Laggy
Restarts or Hangs After Often
Very Few Apps Supported ( For example games like real racing 3 and other subway surfer latest doesnt work)
This Grand Also Hangs with Other third Party launcher Like Apex and Nova
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Mircomax A116 OS Android 4.2.1
Fluid Ui
Good looks
Faster Processor
good multi tasking
Games Run Very good leaving Few heavy games
Very Good Resolution Screen
Good App Support via play Store
Con
Very Bad Build Quality
Poor Quailty Screen Compare to OGS Glass in Xolo Q800 Wich Comes in far less price but with same spec
Bad Gps
Very Few Senors
No Magnetic sensors (i have magnetic sensor even in my samsung galaxy Apollo or i5801
Too Be Noted i tried Heavy launcher like Next launcher 3d with samsung like transition animation and also my Screen Is full of widgets also running heavy wallpaper which is My beach HD i haven't noticed and lag in micromax A 116
SO MICROMAX STILL BETTER COMPARED TO GRAND DUOS
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Dont compare micromax with samsung. Micromax just a bull$#it when it comes to after sell service. If ur phone got damaged they will take minimum 1 month to repair it and maximum i cant say. My canvas 3d touch screen got damaged 1months ago and I did not get it back yet. They sell such a bellow quality products that they even cant repair themselve, they just change jobsheet number and say that another problem arised while replacing touch panel. Micromax may give better phone in cheper rate but never compare it with samsung. And this kinda problem is not only mine problem. Google it, many customers are facing this kinda worst after sell service from micromax. In my case canvas 3d got damaged within 3months of buying it and I bought samsung as I dont know when I will get back my phone. As I have another samsung galaxy y duos which I had before i bought mmx and that phone was running 1 year without any problem. Samsung far better than micromax in quality.
on my own experience.. even s4 have quad core processor, games like Modern Combat 4 she cant handle it perfectly
sometimes it lags..
so the point is how great the processor is.. nothing comes so smooth all time.. nothing perfect but just better
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apenz147 said:
on my own experience.. even s4 have quad core processor, games like Modern Combat 4 she cant handle it perfectly
sometimes it lags..
so the point is how great the processor is.. nothing comes so smooth all time.. nothing perfect but just better
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Are u going to invest 10k cash for using a phone just for 3months? If yes then u can always go for micromax for better performance and if no then go for other branded phones.
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Dont compare micromax with samsung. Micromax just a bull$#it when it comes to after sell service. If ur phone got damaged they will take minimum 1 month to repair it and maximum i cant say. My canvas 3d touch screen got damaged 1months ago and I did not get it back yet. They sell such a bellow quality products that they even cant repair themselve, they just change jobsheet number and say that another problem arised while replacing touch panel. Micromax may give better phone in cheper rate but never compare it with samsung. And this kinda problem is not only mine problem. Google it, many customers are facing this kinda worst after sell service from micromax. In my case canvas 3d got damaged within 3months of buying it and I bought samsung as I dont know when I will get back my phone. As I have another samsung galaxy y duos which I had before i bought mmx and that phone was running 1 year without any problem. Samsung far better than micromax in quality.
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i know about micromax service center i had to face this problem just within 15 after been delivered by snapdeal it was had hardware problem because of which they kept my phone for a month even h=had send many complains to micromax to [email protected] it was hell lot irritating but if we can leave the service center ghost of micromax and talk about user experience it is still lot better than samsung galaxy gand duos it is my personal experience as i have both the phone and used them
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i know about micromax service center i had to face this problem just within 15 after been delivered by snapdeal it was had hardware problem because of which they kept my phone for a month even h=had send many complains to micromax to [email protected] it was hell lot irritating but if we can leave the service center ghost of micromax and talk about user experience it is still lot better than samsung galaxy gand duos it is my personal experience as i have both the phone and used them
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Man when u r buying a phone which costs more than 10k u should always take care of after sale service and mind satisfaction which u will never find with micromax. I have once got trapped by this company thats why I know about them well.
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Hey guys, bit of a noob question here but nevertheless i shall ask it anyway
So as we know the samsung galaxy s3 has a quad core processor which churns out 1.4ghz which is rather fast!
But ive only seen the overclocking abilities for it to run at 1.7ghz max? Why is this? the galaxy note can run at 1.9ghz via dual core.
my question is this, why cant is run at over 2ghz? i mean 1.4 is enough but id like to say "my phone can run the same speed as my laptop"
Sorry for the noob-ish question but if anyone would reply, it would be great
Jack.
I've yet see a phone that can open the http://www.theverge.com/ at a decent speed.
I overcloceked to 1.6Mhz and still didn't make any difference.
Why would you want to run at 2.0Mhz?
Running at that speed would juts increase battery usage and overheat the CPU.
Ah right, yeah it even took my computer like 10seconds to load that site!
why wouldnt you want a phone to run at over 2ghz? admittedly your right about the overheat and battery life
For that exact reason...heat and battery life. What more reason would you need. For most instances its unnecessary. Isn't saying its quad core enough...
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It will be faster wait for jellybean its optimized for more cores
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The same applies to pc chips, more cores mean more heat. It's why many current dual and quad core chips are faster than the newer hex and 8 core chips. Less cores means more room for heat tolerances.
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The same applies to pc chips, more cores mean more heat. It's why many current dual and quad core chips are faster than the newer hex and 8 core chips. Less cores means more room for heat tolerances.
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The reason dual and quad cores are faster is because of the limitation of software and how multithreaded it can be (and there will be a point of diminishing returns which will be a lot sooner for basic programs).
I have a dual core 3ghz pc and my new pc is just 2.8ghz quad i7.... My old pc must be much faster!
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jhericurls said:
I've yet see a phone that can open the http://www.theverge.com/ at a decent speed.
I overcloceked to 1.6Mhz and still didn't make any difference.
Why would you want to run at 2.0Mhz?
Running at that speed would juts increase battery usage and overheat the CPU.
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It seems the SGS3 can open and scroll through http://www.theverge.com/ very fast, I've just tested it.
Is it not fast enough on yours?
JackHanAnLG said:
Hey guys, bit of a noob question here but nevertheless i shall ask it anyway
So as we know the samsung galaxy s3 has a quad core processor which churns out 1.4ghz which is rather fast!
But ive only seen the overclocking abilities for it to run at 1.7ghz max? Why is this? the galaxy note can run at 1.9ghz via dual core.
my question is this, why cant is run at over 2ghz? i mean 1.4 is enough but id like to say "my phone can run the same speed as my laptop"
Sorry for the noob-ish question but if anyone would reply, it would be great
Jack.
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I have a dual core 3ghz pc and my new pc is just 2.8ghz quad i7.... My old pc must be much faster!
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I lol'd. 1.7ghz quad is leaps and bounds better than 1.9ghz dual. 1.7 and 1.9 ghz isn't that big of a leap, but 2 cores versus 4 cores is pretty significant. Jelly Bean improves multi-core processors so the SGS3 International version is going to be even more sick-nasty (in a good way) once that rolls out.
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I lol'd. 1.7ghz quad is leaps and bounds better than 1.9ghz dual. 1.7 and 1.9 ghz isn't that big of a leap, but 2 cores versus 4 cores is pretty significant. Jelly Bean improves multi-core processors so the SGS3 International version is going to be even more sick-nasty (in a good way) once that rolls out.
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Exactly
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It will be faster wait for jellybean its optimized for more cores
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No it isn't. Not anymore than ICS.
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I dont know why u compairing a desktop pc to galaxy s3. A pc will win hands down but I have a fairly upto date pc. And since got this phone i never really use it unless doing video editing. This phone is great and is as good as a standarded laptop If not better. This speed is brilliant to, maybe jelly bean will make a great phone greater. And another thing apps for this phone weather it be media or web browsing etc isn't really pushing this phone to the limit. So give it a while might see a bigger improvement.
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There is more to CPU performance than the clock frequency, core efficiency is the key here.
E.g. Intel P4 processor -v- Intel 'Conroe' Processors.
The newer Conroe processors were smashing the granny out of the older P4 processor despite the significant lower clock speed. Does that mean the newer processors are inferior? No, it just means each clock cycle handles more instructions.
If you want willy waving rights about how awesome your phone is go buy an iPhone and check if theres an app for that.
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NIK516 said:
It will be faster wait for jellybean its optimized for more cores
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No it isn't. Not anymore than ICS.
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Android 4.1 Jelly Bean
In "Project Butter," Google has worked to improve graphical performance and touch responsiveness. On the graphics side, Android is now v-synced at 60 frames a second, with triple-buffered graphics. The result is that scrolling, paging, and animations are all smoother and consistent.
To make touch feel better, Google is making it anticipatory, so that the touch data applications receive corresponds to where fingers will be the next time the screen is redrawn. This means that apps won't have to be one step behind where the user's fingers actually are. Jelly Bean will also immediately ramp CPUs to their full speed whenever touch interaction is detected. This avoids lag caused by slower processing when the CPUs are in low power modes.
For developers, the Jelly Bean SDK will include a new profiling tool, systrace, that provides a clear visualization of their applications' use of the CPU, GPU, and other system components, so that bottlenecks can be more readily identified and resolved.
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Nothing specifically says "Jelly Bean is optimized for multi-core processors". That said, that entire article shows that Jelly Bean was brought about with processors in mind. You really think Google is going to make an OS that will "ramp CPUs to their full speed whenever touch interaction is detected," and "include a new profiling tool" that shows applications "use of the CPU" but not make sure it's going to be optimized for dual and quad-core devices? Also, keep this in mind:
Jelly Bean Lite
Jelly Bean Lite: Android OS definitely works efficiently on high-end dual-core phones. However, when it comes to lower end devices, the performance, reportedly, becomes very poor. Many users have also urged Google to release a lighter version of Android OS for midrange and lower end smartphones to rid themselves of the problem of performance of OS.
Rumors are already rife that Google will release a lighter version (Jelly Bean Lite) for smartphones with limited CPU and storage.
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I'd say you're probably wrong about Jelly Bean not being optimized for multi-core devices.
What really matters to the average person is that in real life use the S3 really isn't that much faster than S2, so until we get an OS optimised for those extra cores all we really gonna have is the "My processor's bigger than your processor" bragging rights.
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What really matters to the average person is that in real life use the S3 really isn't that much faster than S2, so until we get an OS optimised for those extra cores all we really gonna have is the "My processor's bigger than your processor" bragging rights.
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Benchmark scores do show that it's a decent difference in the S2 versus the S3, though overall I would have to agree with you. But Jelly Bean will definitely be closer to the mark than Ice Cream Sandwich in terms of CPU optimization. That's my personal opinion based on my above comment of course.
JackHanAnLG said:
why wouldnt you want a phone to run at over 2ghz? admittedly your right about the overheat and battery life
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Because I paid a lot for this phone and don't want it to break.
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I wonder why we take the matter with Overcloacken so important. as far as I know there are no games or apps which support the 4 cores. we should wait. I'm curious
So in 2011 we have Tegra 2, in 2012 we have Tegra 3 so my questions is what will come in 2013? Octo-core or an improved version of quad core cpus?
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So in 2011 we have Tegra 2, in 2012 we have Tegra 3 so my questions is what will come in 2013? Octo-core or an improved version of quad core cpus?
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Well as octo core desktop CPUs havnt really caught on yet I would guess just better quad cores likely with more powerful GPUs
Tegra 3 is already very powerful, presuming the will increase ram and make them more battery efficient or even higher clock speed. 12 core tegra gpu is pretty amazing already and anything better must be godly
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If u mean for mobile platform , Will we really need beyond Quad core, having seen how SGSIII is smoothly running with it, beyond that what more perfection ( yaa still more can be expected) and speed u will need to do ur work . As known Android use other cores on need basis , why u need to see ur 2-3 cores never used.. i think its just more curiosity n to have more advaced/latest will be the only reason to have such high cpu on ur mobile..
What I like to see is ups in RAM installed and lows in RAM usage by system...
Sounds like octo-mom..the debate.lives on.. battery vs performance...but to answer your question I think it would be hexa-core which is 6..let's wait and see what is to come...
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If u mean for mobile platform , Will we really need beyond Quad core, having seen how SGSIII is smoothly running with it, beyond that what more perfection ( yaa still more can be expected) and speed u will need to do ur work . As known Android use other cores on need basis , why u need to see ur 2-3 cores never used.. i think its just more curiosity n to have more advaced/latest will be the only reason to have such high cpu on ur mobile..
What I like to see is ups in RAM installed and lows in RAM usage by system...
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I agree. Cores are at there peak right now. The amount of CPU power we have especially in the higher end phones is enough to acomplish many, many things. RAM is somewhat of an issue especially since multitasking is a huge part of android. I really thing a 2gb RAM should be a standard soon. Also, better gpu's won't hurt
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If they decide to keep going on the core upgrade in the next two or so years, I see one of two possibilities happening:
1) Dual Processor phones utilizing either dual or quad cores.
or
2) Hexacore chips since on the desktop market there's already a few 6-core chips (though whether or not they would actually be practical in the phones architecture, no clue).
Generally speaking whatever they come out with next will either need a better battery material, or lower power processors.
I mean I'm pretty amazed by what my brother's HTC One X is capable of with the quad core, and here I am still sporting a single-core G2. But yes I would like to see more advancement in RAM usage, we got a nice bit of power, but how bout a standard 2GB ram for better multitasking?
I believe 2013 will be all about more efficient quad-cores.
May i ask what going from 1gb to 2gb will improve? Loading times?
hello everyone, could you tell me what is cuad core?
Quad core means that a processor has four processing units.
Because there are more, that means that a process, theoretically, gets executed 4 times faster.
Read more about it: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-core_processor
Maybe i7 in mobile devices?
I'm sure it will stay at quad core cpu's, anything more is just overkill. They may introduce hyperthreading. It's going to boil down to efficiency.
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I'd say the future lies in more efficient use of processors. Right now, Android is still far from optimized on multi-core processor-equipped devices. Project Butter is the start of a great movement by Google to optimize the operating system. Hopefully it spreads out to other OEMs and becomes the main focus for Android development.
Improving and optimizing current processors is the way hardware companies should go.
In my opinion, processor development is out running battery development. Optimized processors could reduce power consumption while preserving excellent speed and usability.
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building processors on more efficient ARM architectures is going to be the way to go from what I see......throwing four less efficient cores at a problem is the caveman method to dealing with it.....looking at you Samsung Exynos Quad based on tweaked A9 cores.....
the A15 based Qualcomm S4 Krait is more efficient on a clock for clock core for core basis and once the software catches up and starts using the hardware in full capacity, less more efficient cores will be preferred
I dont see anything beyond quads simply because they havent even scratched the surface of what can be done with a modern dual core processor yet.......throwing more cores at it only makes excuses for poor code.....i can shoot **** faster than water with a big enough pump......but that doesn't mean that's the better solution
We don't need more cores! Having more than 2 cores will not make a difference so quad cores are a waste of space in the CPU die.
Hyperthreading, duh.
More ram. Got to have the hardware before the software can be made to use it.
With the convergence of x86 into the Android core and the streamlining of low-power Atom CPUs, the logical step would be to first optimize the current software base for multi-core processors before marketing takes over with their stupid x2 multiplying game...
Not long ago, a senior Intel exec went on record saying that today, a single core CPU Android smartphone is perhaps better overall performing (battery life, user experience, etc) than any dual/quad-core CPU. Mind you, these guys seldom if ever stick out their neck with such bold statements, especially when not pleasing to the ear...
For those interested, you can follow this one (of many) articles on the subject: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/intel-android-not-ready-for-multi-core-cpus/20746
Android needs to mature, and I think it actually is. With 4.1 we see the focus drastically shifted to optimization, UX and performance with *existing/limited* resources. This will translate to devices beating all else in battery life, performance and graphics but since it was neglected in the first several iterations, it is likely we see 4.0 followed by 4.1 then maybe 4.2 before we hear/see the 5.0 which will showcase maturity and evolution of the experience.
Just my 2c. :fingers-crossed:
look at this : http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tx_t_and_v_benchmarks_are_here_promising_too-news-4722.php
in the results, the new line of sony xperias, r getting better results on benchmarks than galaxy s3. How can it be? How xperia t with almost the same specification than xperia s gets better results than galaxy s3 with his quadcore processor ?
Quad core is not yet optimized in android
Android is not ready yet for quad core
Dual core is more than enough for android (well ICS)
Because i think jellybean quad core will do better (CMIIW)
Its not just Xperia T all device that use S4 "krait" Dual Core benchmark is always better than exynos
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Its the next gen snapdragon S4 plus krait processor..u can find out about those over at their site Qualcomm Snapdragon Processors. Just because S3 and HTC ONE X has quad core doesnt make it act fast coz despite of the cores, the normal apps doesn need to use the quads. May be ull get better gaming fps and smoothness with tegra 3 but when its come to web browsing, stability and working potential the snapdragon chipsets actually does a lot of good work. Waiting for the LG Optimus G. Heard they used S4 PRO Quad Krait
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Its the next gen snapdragon S4 plus krait processor..u can find out about those over at their site Qualcomm Snapdragon Processors. Just because S3 and HTC ONE X has quad core doesnt make it act fast coz despite of the cores, the normal apps doesn need to use the quads. May be ull get better gaming fps and smoothness with tegra 3 but when its come to web browsing, stability and working potential the snapdragon chipsets actually does a lot of good work. Waiting for the LG Optimus G. Heard they used S4 PRO Quad Krait
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Quad Krait
Sounds pretty scary
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and about the difference on results between xperia t and xperia s?
conanjf said:
look at this : http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tx_t_and_v_benchmarks_are_here_promising_too-news-4722.php
in the results, the new line of sony xperias, r getting better results on benchmarks than galaxy s3. How can it be? How xperia t with almost the same specification than xperia s gets better results than galaxy s3 with his quadcore processor ?
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Because cores != performance.
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Because it's not about number of cores.
Typically the phones with more cores run them at slower clock speeds, canceling out the difference.
It's all about getting a BALANCED spec, which includes I/O rates, flash speed, memory channels, memory bandwidth, cpu cores, cpu power management latency and literally hundreds of other factors.
Both Sony and Samsung are tier 1 manufacturers, which is why they know how to spend money in the right areas when it comes to component costs.
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and about the difference on results between xperia t and xperia s?
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XS Use S3 processor, No Ext Memory, no LTE, 12mp camera
While XT S4 processor, Ext Mem, LTE support, and 14mp camera
If you talking about benchmark
Its pretty far i think thanks to the S4
But the downside is the illumination bar
I really love that bar. if xperia T have that bar i will upgrade without thinking anymore
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Quad Krait
Sounds pretty scary
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The new gen S4 PRO comes in two form, Dual and Quad..LG Optimus G went with the Quad 1.5GHz and a shattering 320GPU. Its gona be pretty fast in 3D rendered games for sure and as its Qualcomm then u can very easily bet that there battery consumption will be less than usual Quads
Qualcomm doesn't use reference ARM Design. they just get the license for A9/A15.
They have their own Design like Apple with their SoC.
The Sony Xperia S has the MSM8660 which is a Snapdragon S3 (45nm, Single Channel RAM, Andreno 220 GPU).
The Sony Xperia T has the MSM8260a which is a Snapdragon S4 (28nm, Dual Channel RAM, Andreno 225 GPU).
The difference is also in the architecture.
S3 = Scorpion: This is the own Design of Qualcomm which is compareable with ARM Cortex A9
S4 = Krait: This is also designed by Qualcomm and is compareable with ARM Cortex A15
The performance of Snapdragon SoC's is incredible. Its not just, that Android is not yet optimized for Quad-Core SoC's but also the Design.
There are already benches available showing the APQ8064 which is a Quad-Core with Andreno 320 GPU. There is no compareable SoC at the moment and if I'm not wrong the LG Optimus G will get this SoC (Q1/Q2 2013).
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Qualcomm doesn't use reference ARM Design. they just get the license for A9/A15.
They have their own Design like Apple with their SoC.
The Sony Xperia S has the MSM8660 which is a Snapdragon S3 (45nm, Single Channel RAM, Andreno 220 GPU).
The Sony Xperia T has the MSM8260a which is a Snapdragon S4 (28nm, Dual Channel RAM, Andreno 225 GPU).
The difference is also in the architecture.
S3 = Scorpion: This is the own Design of Qualcomm which is compareable with ARM Cortex A9
S4 = Krait: This is also designed by Qualcomm and is compareable with ARM Cortex A15
The performance of Snapdragon SoC's is incredible. Its not just, that Android is not yet optimized for Quad-Core SoC's but also the Design.
There are already benches available showing the APQ8064 which is a Quad-Core with Andreno 320 GPU. There is no compareable SoC at the moment and if I'm not wrong the LG Optimus G will get this SoC (Q1/Q2 2013).
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For better GPU performance, i have seen Qualcomm betting more on MSM8960 than any other. I am waiting for S4 PRO MSM8960T chipset review (will surely be used over TABS only) lets see what it got. Didnt read nor know anything about APQ8064 model and i dont think dat we will get to know about that chipset unless LG releases their Optimus G. Xperia T has the AP series from S4 PLUS but S4 PRO is a total new ball game . Am guessing that the next gen S4 chips can easily be overclocked to 2GHz+ as my Xperia-S is already running on 1.78GHZ smoothly and its a Dual Core S3 . LG announced 2GB of ram for the Optimus G so, basically, 2GHz+ of overclocked QUAD PROCESSOR with 2GB ram is a must have for any enthusiast android developer/user. And if they manufacturer make it to a perfection than for sure its a must kept for the next 2/3 years as android for quads, wont be developed before that time but WITHIN that time. That 320GPU is already like a cherry on top so for now, am just keeping my fingers crossed to know how the battery will perform :fingers-crossed:. Then again, thats just my prediction and thoughts . As is said before, Qualcomm already won my faith over their chipsets . More like Dejavu ..More power work yet less power consumed
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Quad core is not yet optimized in android
Android is not ready yet for quad core
Dual core is more than enough for android (well ICS)
Because i think jellybean quad core will do better (CMIIW)
Its not just Xperia T all device that use S4 "krait" Dual Core benchmark is always better than exynos
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If in future quadcore will be good for android then s3 not gonna be outdated soon
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If in future quadcore will be good for android then s3 not gonna be outdated soon
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It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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krabappel2548 said:
It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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S3 powered by Tegra 3? Where did you read that? It has either the Quad Core Exynos or Dual Core S4 Krait in some models variations.
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It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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LOL S3 have Quad Core Exynos .. Tegra 3 is for HTC ONE X and Xperia T came with S4 Plus Dual Core Krait which actually has beaten S3 and HTC both to some serious extent. Hell, HTC ONE S beats one x to some serious level BOTTOM LINE : Qualcomm holds the authentic brain power for androids
Notice how the nexus 5 lags whilst the galaxy s3 and nexus 10 are smooth?
Nexus 5- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMnXO8cMgY
Galaxy s3- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjVD0zHygm4
Nexus 10- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxTcbt4sHps
Could this be because the snapdragon is crap or because of optimization?
Well frankly speaking mali 400 is kinda old now, but i guess it still is a decent performer for most of today's games, though some lags r there on some games
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Mali is known for it's good (close to console's) graphics and good power too,though it might be still optimization.
Well,at least,nexus 5 still should run it better.
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Well frankly speaking mali 400 is kinda old now, but i guess it still is a decent performer for most of today's games, though some lags r there on some games
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Games,which lag on Mali are just unoptimized (a little). I think,if developers of those games will optimize their games better,Mali will probably won't lag even in today's games.
Wow
The fact that the nexus 10 can run that game at that crazy resolution is pretty impressive
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Mali is known for it's good (close to console's) graphics and good power too,though it might be still optimization.
Well,at least,nexus 5 still should run it better.
Games,which lag on Mali are just unoptimized (a little). I think,if developers of those games will optimize their games better,Mali will probably won't lag even in today's games.
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Well we'll hope for the best, these new drivers does work though. Graphics performance is kinda better now
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
yeah it snapdragon 2.3ghz to keep up with the 1.9ghz of exynos
Hey there,bull,calm down. S3 doesn't suck. I use it every day heavily and multitasking,RAM management are amazing. Yeah,I agree,S3 lags in all of new games,but there's a reason. Know it? Because it's old already. Soon 2 years will pass since S3 was released and of course new games will lag on such an old device.
So again,calm down there.
Someone needs to chill
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
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Don't be an idiot. The Exynos on the S3 is far superior to the Qualcomm version. The Exynos version had a quad-core CPU vs. dual-core for the Qualcomm version. That's what the OP is talking about and you just sound like an immature little teenager.
On the S4, it's a different story because Samsung's big.LITTLE was poorly implemented on the Exynos. However, on the new Galaxy Note 3, Exynos is just as good, if not better than the Qualcomm 800. And when Samsung updates the chipset with octa-core capability, it has the potential to surpass the competition significantly.
As for your idiotic argument of popularity, Samsung decides which regions will receive Exynos chips based on LTE availability and Qualcomm's licensing restrictions. It's not based on popularity, it's based on patents and licensing costs.
I don't have any lag on my S3 and I happen to like comparisons of different chipsets, even from YouTube. You aren't qualified to speak on everyone's behalf and I appreciate this thread which asks a perfectly fine question.
I think mali and snapdragon are sort of budget type processors whereas qualcomm and exynos(some models) are the higher end of things
Mali=Exynos
Snapdragon=Qualcomm
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Mali=Exynos
Snapdragon=Qualcomm
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What?
Mali is a GPU whereas Exynos is the CPU. The Exynos version of the S4 didn't have a Mali GPU, it had a PowerVR one.
And to whoever said the S3 had perfect RAM management and multitasking: that couldn't be further from the truth.
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Theshawty said:
What?
Mali is a GPU whereas Exynos is the CPU.
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See post above mine. I was trying to clear up the assumption that Exynos, Qualcomm, Snapdragon and Mali were all different chipsets.
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See post above mine. I was trying to clear up the assumption that Exynos, Qualcomm, Snapdragon and Mali were all different chipsets.
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Yes but you made the wrongful assumption that mali is something that just goes with exynos. Exynos is made by Samsung while Mali is made by ARM and not even by Samsung at all
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
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i own nexus 4 htc one and exynos s3. u re just kidding urself. try gta vice city , san andreas on a adreno phone atleast try on one and nexus 4 im %100 sure they will lag i use one as daily driver. all you will see is lag. i didnt see any game laging on exynos s3 yet. asphalt 8 full graphics s3 30+fps one 20+ fps. because adreno just fails with thermal throtting. and dont realy have great drivers to work with. like on htc one you are playing most wanted working on 30+ fps 15 mins gaming and you will see laging low fps drops to 10 to 20 i tested like every game with fps meter on all 3 phones.
all you are talking about lag is simple fail touchwiz launcher its not about processer or gpu. yes one is runing smoother (2013 phone it should) because sense launcher doesnt get kicked from ram like touchwiz. it doesnt make processor good or bad it just makes launcher is bad. just remove bloatware on a s3 and use nova launcher and make it stay on ram. and you will see lag is gone .
i use this 3 phones like everyday but one most and its not smoother cuz of its processor its about sense. and its worse than exynos s3 on gaming because adreno 320 and 1080p not the best combination.
my girlfriend has nexus 5 and san andreas just lags. mali (Arm) still works better with games adreno just fails on real life performance. im using nexus 4 for 1 year and htc one for 7 months now.
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i own nexus 4 htc one and exynos s3. u re just kidding urself. try gta vice city , san andreas on a adreno phone atleast try on one and nexus 4 im %100 sure they will lag i use one as daily driver. all you will see is lag. i didnt see any game laging on exynos s3 yet. asphalt 8 full graphics s3 30+fps one 20+ fps. because adreno just fails with thermal throtting. and dont realy have great drivers to work with. like on htc one you are playing most wanted working on 30+ fps 15 mins gaming and you will see laging low fps drops to 10 to 20 i tested like every game with fps meter on all 3 phones.
all you are talking about lag is simple fail touchwiz launcher its not about processer or gpu. yes one is runing smoother (2013 phone it should) because sense launcher doesnt get kicked from ram like touchwiz. it doesnt make processor good or bad it just makes launcher is bad. just remove bloatware on a s3 and use nova launcher and make it stay on ram. and you will see lag is gone .
i use this 3 phones like everyday but one most and its not smoother cuz of its processor its about sense. and its worse than exynos s3 on gaming because adreno 320 and 1080p not the best combination.
my girlfriend has nexus 5 and san andreas just lags. mali (Arm) still works better with games adreno just fails on real life performance. im using nexus 4 for 1 year and htc one for 7 months now.
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I dont know wether your results are true or not.But your post make me feel like a proud owner of s3.
Theshawty said:
What?
And to whoever said the S3 had perfect RAM management and multitasking: that couldn't be further from the truth.
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Why so? I have this phone,and I use it everyday,so I know what I'm talking about.
Iqbal Ansari said:
I dont know wether your results are true or not.But your post make me feel like a proud owner of s3.
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He's talking absolute truth,which people don't want to believe to.
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Why so? I have this phone,and I use it everyday,so I know what I'm talking about.
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*sigh*
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*sigh*
:banghead:
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What's up? Maybe I misunderstood something? English isn't my native language,my apologies.
I have only used dumb-phones until now and plan to get a smartphone.
I did a little surfing and found Adreno 320 is better than Mali 400 GPU and Qualcomm Snapdragons are better than Samsung Exynos, right?
But in real world they say Note 2 is considered better phone than Nexus 4. I don't understand this.
Different phones top in different benchmarks, and still some things like display quality are not considered in benchmarks i guess, right?
Now I haven't used any smartphone before, and the I would be using it for gaming or watching videos/movies only most of the time as I'm a student.
Which of these phones that I mentioned (all in 23-29,000 INR range) are better than others in reality?
Those who have used these phones or are techsavy might be able to guide me in making the right choice
Just found S3 in India has different specs than in US, Canada etc.
India: 1.4 Ghz Quad-core Exynos 4412,Mali-400,1GB
US: 1.5 Ghz Dual-core Snapdragon, Adreno 225,2GB
Which S3 is better?
sher_dil said:
I have only used dumb-phones until now and plan to get a smartphone.
I did a little surfing and found Adreno 320 is better than Mali 400 GPU and Qualcomm Snapdragons are better than Samsung Exynos, right?
But in real world they say Note 2 is considered better phone than Nexus 4. I don't understand this.
Different phones top in different benchmarks, and still some things like display quality are not considered in benchmarks i guess, right?
Now I haven't used any smartphone before, and the I would be using it for gaming or watching videos/movies only most of the time as I'm a student.
Which of these phones that I mentioned (all in 23-29,000 INR range) are better than others in reality?
Those who have used these phones or are techsavy might be able to guide me in making the right choice
Just found S3 in India has different specs than in US, Canada etc.
India: 1.4 Ghz Quad-core Exynos 4412,Mali-400,1GB
US: 1.5 Ghz Dual-core Snapdragon, Adreno 225,2GB
Which S3 is better?
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The US version is btr in this case. Based on wat is ur requirements. U dun multi task much so u dun nid tat much cores. And more ram is btr.
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