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I was hoping to have a better camera overall, but according to this
http://www.galaxys2x.com/samsung-galaxy-s3-camera-samples-revealed-compared-to-galaxy-s2-photos/
the aperture of the S3 is only 2.6 while HOX has the best aperture of 2.0.
The only improved ofer the S2 (2.65) but such a tiny amount... I wonder why.
Thats disappointing. Hopefully there are great optics.
I understand that aperture involves the amount of light only but I am not seeing much info to determine that the camera is much better.
Wond3r said:
I was hoping to have a better or on par camera s the HTC One, which takes great photos, but according to this
http://www.galaxys2x.com/samsung-galaxy-s3-camera-samples-revealed-compared-to-galaxy-s2-photos/
the aperture of the S3 is only 2.6 while HOX has the best aperture of 2.0.
The only improved ofer the S2 (2.65) but such a tiny amount... I wonder why.
Thats disappointing. Hopefully there are great optics.
I understand that aperture involves the amount of light only but I am not seeing much info to determine that the camera is much better.
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Well over the SGS2 there is hardly any shutter lag. It takes it almost instantly so less blurry pictures.
Honestly, my HOX doesn't take that great of pictures anyways. The One S barely does better. These phones aren't SLR replacers.
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Well over the SGS2 there is hardly any shutter lag. It takes it almost instantly so less blurry pictures.
Honestly, my HOX doesn't take that great of pictures anyways. The One S barely does better. These phones aren't SLR replacers.
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The speed of the photos doesnt mean quality and we arent talking about SLR replacers but good camera phones. The 4s takes great photos, and from what I have seen the HTC One phones do as well, and I assume its because of the camera hardware.
You would think Samsung, going for the BEST phone on the market, would also consider the camera too.
I will be getting the s3 when it comes out but this just makes me consider more things too.
(If the Xperia GX is released around the same time, I would trade the s3 for it)
OMG these numbers and decimals mean nothing. There are actual photos and comparisons between the One X and S III. They said my clunker of a car was rated 40mph too, but the real world doesn't move at the speed of spec sheets.
GSMarena did a test that shows the S3 is better than the HTC. The sensor in the S3 is better than the One X or S2, as is the software.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p5.php
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The speed of the photos doesnt mean quality and we arent talking about SLR replacers but good camera phones. The 4s takes great photos, and from what I have seen the HTC One phones do as well, and I assume its because of the camera hardware.
You would think Samsung, going for the BEST phone on the market, would also consider the camera too.
I will be getting the s3 when it comes out but this just makes me consider more things too.
(If the Xperia GX is released around the same time, I would trade the s3 for it)
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I've seen comparison shots, and honestly the SGS3 outperformed the SGS2 in a lot of instances. They maybe subjective. Who knows. All I know is that it does a good job and it gets the job done well.
Here's the comparisons to the 4S as well. The 4S is a tiny bit better, and SGS3's video recording beats the SGS2, 4S and HOX.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Apple-iPhone-4S_id3038/page/3
There are perks, there is no phone camera on android or apple that has all the perks and benefits.
Also feel free to compare all phone cameras to each other using this tool:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=4238&idPhone2=3621&idPhone3=4212
I already have the 4S, SGS2 and SGS3 set up for you on there. If the SGS3 takes either pictures as good or better than a SGS2 with a butter shutter then that is improvement in my book.
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I've seen comparison shots, and honestly the SGS3 outperformed the SGS2 in a lot of instances. They maybe subjective. Who knows. All I know is that it does a good job and it gets the job done well.
Here's the comparisons to the 4S as well. The 4S is a tiny bit better, and SGS3's video recording beats the SGS2, 4S and HOX.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Apple-iPhone-4S_id3038/page/3
There are perks, there is no phone camera on android or apple that has all the perks and benefits.
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I dont see why the S3 wouldnt outperform the S2. Im not saying its not a better camera than the s2, but not by much. And I dont see why the s3 wouldnt blow the 4s, a dated phone, out of the water as well. But thats not the case
as far as the GSMarena comparison shots - not too applicable since the lighting was different in them. Obviously the shot by the s3 of the building in a sunny environment looks better than the HTC in a seemingly overcast environment
The windmill and low light tests favour the HTC as well
People really do get hung-up on the stupidest things. NO phone is that great for pictures, the S3 is one of the best, thats quite enough. Who cares about the iPhone? Most isheep take pictures and ruin them with instagram anyway so what does it matter? If you want the 5% better pictures the iPhone might take in some situations go buy one.
What matters is that the S3 takes sharp images and uses low amounts of post processing. Any further shortcomings can be fixed easily with a photo editor. the HOX takes somewhat blurry images that have way to much post processing, this is much harder to correct, if it can be at all.
I have seen plenty of bad pictures taken with the iP4s.
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I dont see why the S3 wouldnt outperform the S2. Im not saying its not a better camera than the s2, but not by much. And I dont see why the s3 wouldnt blow the 4s, a dated phone, out of the water as well. But thats not the case
as far as the GSMarena comparison shots - not too applicable since the lighting was different in them. Obviously the shot by the s3 of the building in a sunny environment looks better than the HTC in a seemingly overcast environment
The windmill and low light tests favour the HTC as well
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I did not post the GSMarena screen shots to you, I posted the 4S and SGS3 taking photos the same day and same time.
The GSMArena once I posted to you were them taking pictures of charts in a controlled environment so all the phones had the same exposure. The contrast in the pictures of the charts has the 4S producing blacks like dark black-reds while the SGS3 is pretty dark.
It seems you're set on your opinion on the matter though so cheers to you.
In some of the S3 pictures on the GSMarena S3 v iP4s test its clear the lens is dirty. Inconsistent focus within the same picture indicated a dirty lens.
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People really do get hung-up on the stupidest things. NO phone is that great for pictures, the S3 is one of the best, thats quite enough. Who cares about the iPhone? Most isheep take pictures and ruin them with instagram anyway so what does it matter? If you want the 5% better pictures the iPhone might take in some situations go buy one.
What matters is that the S3 takes sharp images and uses low amounts of post processing. Any further shortcomings can be fixed easily with a photo editor. the HOX takes somewhat blurry images that have way to much post processing, this is much harder to correct, if it can be at all.
I have seen plenty of bad pictures taken with the iP4s.
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On top of that the HOX has a lot of noise in its photos. I've taken photos of my dogs with it and it had some noise noticeable on their brown fur.
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Notice the noise. The SGS3 is on the top and the HOX is on the bottom.
Like I said before, there is no phone that has ALL the perks, they all have their problems. I showed the 4S not having the best contrast with blacks, the HOX has noise issues and the SGS3 others have pointed out the cons for it.
rovex said:
People really do get hung-up on the stupidest things. NO phone is that great for pictures, the S3 is one of the best, thats quite enough. Who cares about the iPhone? Most isheep take pictures and ruin them with instagram anyway so what does it matter? If you want the 5% better pictures the iPhone might take in some situations go buy one.
What matters is that the S3 takes sharp images and uses low amounts of post processing. Any further shortcomings can be fixed easily with a photo editor. the HOX takes somewhat blurry images that have way to much post processing, this is much harder to correct, if it can be at all.
I have seen plenty of bad pictures taken with the iP4s.
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I dont see how I am getting hung up on anything stupid, I am having a discussion about a feature of the phone...
No phone is great for pictures? I have taken some great photos with my 5mp Atrix. Phones can take some great photos, thats a fact. Thats not the discussion though.
You shouldnt have to use a photo editor to fix the photos.
I have seen plenty of bad pictures taken on Canon 60d's as well, thats not the point.
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I did not post the GSMarena screen shots to you, I posted the 4S and SGS3 taking photos the same day and same time.
The GSMArena once I posted to you were them taking pictures of charts in a controlled environment so all the phones had the same exposure. The contrast in the pictures of the charts has the 4S producing blacks like dark black-reds while the SGS3 is pretty dark.
It seems you're set on your opinion on the matter though so cheers to you.
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for the GSM arena comments, I was referring to the other post, not yours. The comparisons you posted were very good. My issue is that, I see an almost equal amount of instances where the 4s is better in some and the s3 is better in others... which should not be the case. The s3 should be much better.
I wonder if this just speaks about how much better the i5 photos will be too.
The purpose of a lot of the camera phones now, and the reason they are trying to make the better and better, is to replace the entry level point and shoot cameras on the market. The phone companies are doing a great job of this attempt so far. So I highly disagree with people saying phones take bad photos.
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On top of that the HOX has a lot of noise in its photos. I've taken photos of my dogs with it and it had some noise noticeable on their brown fur.
Notice the noise. The SGS3 is on the top and the HOX is on the bottom.
Like I said before, there is no phone that has ALL the perks, they all have their problems. I showed the 4S not having the best contrast with blacks, the HOX has noise issues and the SGS3 others have pointed out the cons for it.
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I notice the noise. Thats also zoomed into the photo. Why would we be zooming into photos like that anyway? Also those crops are not even in the exact same conditions (judging by the original thumbnails in the top left, pretty different lighting and angle)
Can I see the photos you took on the HTC?
Wond3r said:
I dont see how I am getting hung up on anything stupid, I am having a discussion about a feature of the phone...
No phone is great for pictures? I have taken some great photos with my 5mp Atrix. Phones can take some great photos, thats a fact. Thats not the discussion though.
You shouldnt have to use a photo editor to fix the photos.
I have seen plenty of bad pictures taken on Canon 60d's as well, thats not the point.
for the GSM arena comments, I was referring to the other post, not yours. The comparisons you posted were very good. My issue is that, I see an almost equal amount of instances where the 4s is better in some and the s3 is better in others... which should not be the case. The s3 should be much better.
I wonder if this just speaks about how much better the i5 photos will be too.
The purpose of a lot of the camera phones now, and the reason they are trying to make the better and better, is to replace the entry level point and shoot cameras on the market. The phone companies are doing a great job of this attempt so far. So I highly disagree with people saying phones take bad photos.
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Can you actually show us what you see and what you're talking about? The link you posted doesn't have any kind of working images. I haven't seen any real evidence or examples from you. Do you have comparison shots and a source that you can share with us to prove your point? Because everything otherwise is just a opinion or is subjective till proven.
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I notice the noise. Thats also zoomed into the photo. Why would we be zooming into photos like that anyway?
Can I see the photos you took on the HTC?
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I have pictures of my dogs with noticeable noise from my HOX. I don't want to share them due to them being my private photos and my GF is in them.
Again, I have set this up for you to compare the HOX and SGS3. It's already scaled out for you to take a look at the picture not so zoomed in. look over teh lady's face and notice the noise coming from the HOX. This is a controlled environment with controlled lighting.
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=2&idPhone1=4238&idPhone2=4320&idPhone3=3621
Again there is no jack of all trades master of all.
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Can you actually show us what you see and what you're talking about? The link you posted doesn't have any kind of working images. I haven't seen any real evidence or examples from you. Do you have comparison shots and a source that you can share with us to prove your point? Because everything otherwise is just a opinion or is subjective till proven.
What do you mean what I see and what I'm talking about?
Look at anything that you or other people have posted to SEE.
And what I am talking about is SIMPLE ... This phone is supposed to be the BEST OF THE BEST as far as I take it.. and its NOT. Now I am very impressed by its other hardware and specs but how can anyone HONESTLY argue with me and say that they are very pleased with the advancements they have made in the camera. Its simply NOT TRUE that there are major advancements in photo quality.
edit: I looked at your edit and the womans face and you are right. (once again, its ZOOMED IN though) BUT.... look at the s2. Perfect example youve shown. Is there a huge improvement? No
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So, you want the S3 to be the best at everything all the time? Not going to happen. No device is ever the best at everything. The S3 has the best video, that's proven, the stills are very good to excellent for a phone and the software allows for the most features of any phone. Is that not good enough?
Ive seen pictures from a Nokia N95 8GB that beats all of the pictures from any phone out right now. Half of it is luck, phones have strengths and weaknesses, lets also not forget that software updates can improve image quality. More mature devices have an advantage in that regard.
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SlimJ87D said:
Can you actually show us what you see and what you're talking about? The link you posted doesn't have any kind of working images. I haven't seen any real evidence or examples from you. Do you have comparison shots and a source that you can share with us to prove your point? Because everything otherwise is just a opinion or is subjective till proven.
What do you mean what I see and what I'm talking about?
Look at anything that you or other people have posted to SEE.
And what I am talking about is SIMPLE ... This phone is supposed to be the BEST OF THE BEST as far as I take it.. and its NOT. Now I am very impressed by its other hardware and specs but how can anyone HONESTLY argue with me and say that they are very pleased with the advancements they have made in the camera. Its simply NOT TRUE that there are major advancements in photo quality.
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That was not your initial point...
"I was hoping to have a better or on par camera s the HTC One, which takes great photos, but according to this"
That was your initial point from the OP and this thread and I've proved that it is at least on par with the One and even the 4S where both went back and forth and have advantages and disadvantages over one another.
My only suggestions is if a camera is really important for you then get the next Sony Android phones with the S4 CPU and 12MP cameras that are going to come out in a few months. That's the only solution I think that will make you happy and satisfied.
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SlimJ87D said:
edit: I looked at your edit and the womans face and you are right. (once again, its ZOOMED IN though) BUT.... look at the s2. Perfect example youve shown. Is there a huge improvement? No
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It's not quite zoomed in if you scale it to 2MP. That would be the actual size if the image was taking up your full monitor.
Personally for me, if I don't have to hold absolutely still for 3 seconds to take a good picture as compared to my SGS2 Skyrocket then I think that is a good improvement for me. I've tried to take many pictures that turned out a little blurry. To me the shutter matters just as much as the image quality as it makes taking photos better.
Here is something else I will share with you:
http://mobile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s3-fl-en.shtml
They have tons of comparison shots with the SGS2 and SGS3.
And this is what I was talking about where I saw the SGS3 outperform the SGS2 in certain scenarios.
SGS2:
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-s3-fl/photo/s2-vs-s3/s2-02.jpg
SGS3:
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-s3-fl/photo/s2-vs-s3/s3-02.jpg
From all the other shots, if I can describe it, the SGS2 kind of has a matte thin film look over its photos while the SGS3 does not. The SGS3 also IMO has better coloring and managed to grab sharper images possibly due to the shutter being better. All in all I am impressed with the SGS3's camera but I didn't have such high expectations for it in the first place.
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On top of that the HOX has a lot of noise in its photos. I've taken photos of my dogs with it and it had some noise noticeable on their brown fur.
Notice the noise. The SGS3 is on the top and the HOX is on the bottom.
Like I said before, there is no phone that has ALL the perks, they all have their problems. I showed the 4S not having the best contrast with blacks, the HOX has noise issues and the SGS3 others have pointed out the cons for it.
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Why don't you provide full size samples, so people could judge for themselves?
Your attempts to catch some "noise" in HTC image is redicolous, because Samsung here has much worse problems.
Here is Galaxy S3
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...camera/gsmarena_020.jpg&idReview=759&idPage=5
HTC
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...camera/gsmarena_023.jpg&idReview=759&idPage=5
Wond3r said:
The purpose of a lot of the camera phones now, and the reason they are trying to make the better and better, is to replace the entry level point and shoot cameras on the market. The phone companies are doing a great job of this attempt so far. So I highly disagree with people saying phones take bad photos.
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I agree with you 100% on this. Anyone who says "who cares about the camera on a phone? if you want real pictures, buy a real camera" is stuck in 2005 and needs a punch to the face.
Camera phone technology has progressed to the point that they are can and SHOULD replace standalone point and shoot cameras. That makes camera quality one of the most important features of a phone for many people.
They ARE as good as many point and shoot cams, i had a cheap Fujifilm 12MP unit that took worse pics than my S2 for the most part, but if you spend a bit more then a phone cant compete. However good the sensor and software is they wont have as good lenses, even the ones with premium lenses. The phones are just too thin, they also wont have optical zooms or strong flashes.
The early S3 images we have seen are better than the One X, its not really that close. They largely match the iP4s and the S3 has better video than anyone. Remember this is early software as well, things will get better.
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1orka said:
Why don't you provide full size samples, so people could judge for themselves?
Your attempts to catch some "noise" in HTC image is redicolous, because Samsung here has much worse problems.
Here is Galaxy S3
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...camera/gsmarena_020.jpg&idReview=759&idPage=5
HTC
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...camera/gsmarena_023.jpg&idReview=759&idPage=5
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The S3 is better there, although i dont expect you to see it. Firstly the pictures arent taken at the same angle, and the S3 has more distances to focus on from its angle. The HTC has far more post processing errors in its picture, far more noise, less real detail. I notice the lighting is different as well, due to the angle. Whatever point you were trying to prove, you failed.
Hi guy's,... I thought the camera was good until i view it on my computer...it's kinda granny with lots of noise... it looks good in the 1080p display but not on FB or in my computer rofl. I guess something is really wrong with the camera.
hatyrei said:
Hi guy's,... I thought the camera was good until i view it on my computer...it's kinda granny with lots of noise... it looks good in the 1080p display but not on FB or in my computer rofl. I guess something is really wrong with the camera.
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Welcome to mobile cameras, they all throw pixel count at you when what they really need are better sensors. I have NEVER had a phone camera take pictures that didn't have tons of noise and look like complete **** on a decent monitor. In my experience thus far, this camera is no different than others I've seen.
Agree^^
charlatan01 said:
In my experience thus far, this camera is no different than others I've seen.
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Can you compare to Maxx HD?
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Disagree.. maybe its your laptop... The pics from my rezound look awesome on my laptop
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Nokia has killer cameras. Even the old models, wish others would follw them
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Have been playing with the camera all day today. Compared to iphone5 this shows lot of noise especially in low light. When cmpared to gs3, noise is marginally higher in low light photos. Under good light conditions, this seems to produce most faithful color reproduction.
Just my observation
Yea, I just compared gsiii and DNA cameras, I think gsiii is better most of the time, but not in color reproduction. But honestly, they are both awful. :thumbdown:
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I just downloaded camera 360 from the market, and its so much better than the stock camera.
I went downtown Detroit last night after Dinner, and even though I said that the S3 Camera is better, I'll retract my statement (different thread) after taking some low lights pics. The Low Light Pics on my S3 looked horrible.....but was pleasantly surprised by this camera. I attached a few pictures to show that the pics in low light actually look pretty damn good, especially since it was taken with a Phone, and I was a bit tipsy after drinking too much at Dinner (hands weren't exactly steady).
tdetroit said:
I went downtown Detroit last night after Dinner, and even though I said that the S3 Camera is better, I'll retract my statement (different thread) after taking some low lights pics. The Low Light Pics on my S3 looked horrible.....but was pleasantly surprised by this camera. I attached a few pictures to show that the pics in low light actually look pretty damn good, especially since it was taken with a Phone, and I was a bit tipsy after drinking too much at Dinner (hands weren't exactly steady).
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Damn... I was going to pick up that phone today but after seeing these pics I don't think I am. A good camera is very important to me, maybe I'll get the Lumia 920 instead...
Well, what do you expect from a phone's camera? Whatever the camera's hardware is, if 90% of its settings are controlled automatically, the result is most probably going to suck. In a darker scene, this phone's software may want to bump the ISO higher than another phone's software, hence this noise and lack of detail. But anyway, a different camera app and you knowing how to use it will most probably show better results.
For me, a cellphone's camera is not much more than a barcode scanner.
Exactly. Phone cameras will always suck compared to a quality Point&Shoot. Smaller sensor, few manual settings, and software made by phone manufacturers, not Canon/Nikon. It's fine for a decent landscape shot or portrait on a sunny day but some people just have ridiculous expectations.
People spend thousands of dollars on camera equipment that works well in low light or for fast action. Maybe the iPhone 5 is marginally better than this, but I've played with my family's new iPhones and IMO the camera is still just a phone camera. If I wanted to take a good picture I'd bring something else.
Some comparisons
Some people didn't like my review of the DNA saying that I was too harsh on the 1080p 440ppi display. How could it possibly be worse than the 720p S3 panel? Well, I think these will speak for themselves:
First a short video shot by an iPhone 4S...DNA vs S3 playing Underworld Awakening. It's a bit hard to show how much the S3 dominates because it's a video of video playback, but the most accurate part is when Selene and Michael are kissing. You can see the skin tone is MUCH better:
http://db.tt/Z597Hcuc
Then the friend with the iPhone 4S and I went out and took some shots. He's taller than me, so the angles are a bit off, but you get the idea. 4S is on the left, DNA on the right:
http://db.tt/edmZQvMD
http://db.tt/cBAcLDwo
http://db.tt/9sHcE6yO
http://db.tt/hORDltQq
http://db.tt/G3pabYog
As you can clearly see, the DNA gets smoked when it comes to color and brightness. Either I have a bad panel or sensor or this camera/video playback is just simply inferior right out the box.
ilogik said:
Damn... I was going to pick up that phone today but after seeing these pics I don't think I am. A good camera is very important to me, maybe I'll get the Lumia 920 instead...
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Don't forget-I was NOT really holding the camera steady (Tipsy), but my spouse had my S3 and the DNA's pics actually look better in those low-light shots than on the S3. I need to go to the Conservatory and take some daylight shots of all the tropical plants. THAT'S where I usually take my dSLR and even when I took the S3 there, the pics came out great,popping colors, etc.... Let's see how the DNA can handle those.
The difference is amazing!!!
WilliamStern said:
I just downloaded camera 360 from the market, and its so much better than the stock camera.
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I just downloaded the Camera 360 Ultimate from the Play Store and the difference is very, VERY noticeable. EVERY DNA owner needs to switch immediately. It's COMPLETELY a software issue. I'll be testing other camera apps right now, but this was a drastic improvement!!!
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I went downtown Detroit last night after Dinner, and even though I said that the S3 Camera is better, I'll retract my statement (different thread) after taking some low lights pics. The Low Light Pics on my S3 looked horrible.....but was pleasantly surprised by this camera. I attached a few pictures to show that the pics in low light actually look pretty damn good, especially since it was taken with a Phone, and I was a bit tipsy after drinking too much at Dinner (hands weren't exactly steady).
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On my monitor those pictures look absolutely horrible, grainy and pixely. Are you using a stock camera or a 3rd party one?
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Exactly. Phone cameras will always suck compared to a quality Point&Shoot. Smaller sensor, few manual settings, and software made by phone manufacturers, not Canon/Nikon. It's fine for a decent landscape shot or portrait on a sunny day but some people just have ridiculous expectations.
People spend thousands of dollars on camera equipment that works well in low light or for fast action. Maybe the iPhone 5 is marginally better than this, but I've played with my family's new iPhones and IMO the camera is still just a phone camera. If I wanted to take a good picture I'd bring something else.
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Well no camera will ever be like buying a nikon but getting normal point&shoot quality pics isn't much to ask for, nokias are able to achieve it, seems to be just a part of the phone being skimped on. Nothing to stop me frfom buyin though, they are "good enough"
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Some people didn't like my review of the DNA saying that I was too harsh on the 1080p 440ppi display. How could it possibly be worse than the 720p S3 panel? Well, I think these will speak for themselves:
First a short video shot by an iPhone 4S...DNA vs S3 playing Underworld Awakening. It's a bit hard to show how much the S3 dominates because it's a video of video playback, but the most accurate part is when Selene and Michael are kissing. You can see the skin tone is MUCH better:
http://db.tt/Z597Hcuc
Then the friend with the iPhone 4S and I went out and took some shots. He's taller than me, so the angles are a bit off, but you get the idea. 4S is on the left, DNA on the right:
http://db.tt/edmZQvMD
http://db.tt/cBAcLDwo
http://db.tt/9sHcE6yO
http://db.tt/hORDltQq
http://db.tt/G3pabYog
As you can clearly see, the DNA gets smoked when it comes to color and brightness. Either I have a bad panel or sensor or this camera/video playback is just simply inferior right out the box.
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Dude, something is definitely wrong with your lens. Half those pictures look flat out BLURRY. There are a bevy of example shots from the DNA, just google some and take a look. I'd upload some of my own if it werent for the fact they're already out there. Those pictures you took look like something my 2001 blackberry pearl took.
I planned to wait for the release of the GS4 active, because the original GS4 proved to be very fragile. I do not want to be forced to use a bulky case and the GS4 failed multiple drop tests when compared to the iPhone 5 and its predecessor, the Galaxy S3. According to the rumor mill, the GS4 active will be a inferior to the original GS4. With rumors floating around that it will only have a dual core processor and an 8 megapixel camera, I am not inclined to buy this phone. What are your thoughts? Do you believe that these rumors hold any truth?
Its not rumor. There has been a video posted of the phone. Those specs are true.
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I think the active is meant to be rugged and banged up a bit.... amazing specs isnt the market they are targeting.
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It's more like a rugged S3/S4 mix, if it were a true rugged S4 it would be without question the phone I'd get, but I prefer high-spec.
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It's more like a rugged S3/S4 mix, if it were a true rugged S4 it would be without question the phone I'd get, but I prefer high-spec.
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This is my way of thinking. The video leaked shows a dual-core, which is sad. I'd gladly buy the phone if it was basically an S4 with better bodywork.
Heck, I'd even buy it if it were waterproof =P
It's a shame, I was looking forward to this. Guess I'll just end up with a standard S4 and an Otterbox.
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Heck, I'd even buy it if it were waterproof =P
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By the way, it is waterproof
Disappointed that the specs for the "Active" phone are reduced from the S4. Not sure what to buy now.
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Water resistant. Not water proof
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Disappointed that the specs for the "Active" phone are reduced from the S4. Not sure what to buy now.
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I can't wait to see the S4 Active, my dad needs this phone lol.
I may be bashed for saying this but i don't understand why one would buy a high tech phone and then wanting it full protection. If if you buy this phone you should take care of it (I understand a drop may happen to anybody) but still...is like buying a ferrari and wanting to put rugged tires and take it to a rally race
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I may be bashed for saying this but i don't understand why one would buy a high tech phone and then wanting it full protection. If if you buy this phone you should take care of it (I understand a drop may happen to anybody) but still...is like buying a ferrari and wanting to put rugged tires and take it to a rally race
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People use their phones every day. Often times people need/want to use their phone in the rain, or perhaps it drops in the puddle, there's a hundred reasons why having a water resistant phone is a good thing for most people.
Saw the official announcement from Samsung on the S4 active. Specs look comparable to the S4 except for the camera. Im hoping the Active will be on Vz by July.
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This is my way of thinking.
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This is my way of thinking too
Wish the active had the same camera as the s4 :/
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Wish the active had the same camera as the s4 :/
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the camera is most likely (don't know for sure but suspecting...) BETTER than the S4.
I've read they increased S4 to 13mp without increasing sensors size.
You've all seen the threads on blurry pics at night, right? One reason why? 13 megapixels, same optics.
More megapixels needs more light. Same light, lower brightness for each pixel. Plus that's a huge file and I doubt the sharpness will really increase with extra megapixels on a phone camera.
I'd rather Samsung use its experience with cameras and optics to provide a REAL increase in image quality via bigger/better sensor, optical image stabilization, etc. Although I just read HDR video came to S4 which is pretty darn cool. And there will be S4 Zoom with an actual zoom lens, also darn cool. That's what I'm talking about. One other thing I wish all phones had was a friggin' lens cover for the camera. Just a little thing that would slide over, maybe not even mechanical, just a little door users could close over it or something. Or at the least I wish case manufacturers would include this, something that slid or buttoned over it. Now I have to use tape.
Anyway, bottom line -- I think the Active camera will be BETTER especially at night..
All specs are actually better. It has an LCD screen which will be much better for a lot of reasons. MUCH brighter, accurate color, no pentile, etc. Work under water, as well as the camera working under water, in the rain, etc. And my fav-- hard buttons.
I'm going to start a thread on Verizon forums on this and try to get in touch with their corporate people to see if I can convince them to bring the S4 Active to Verizon. If they come out with it, i'll buy it off contract in a second!!!!
There is so much misinformation in this post.
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More megapixels needs more light. Same light, lower brightness for each pixel. Plus that's a huge file and I doubt the sharpness will really increase with extra megapixels on a phone camera.
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Megapixel count has nothing to do with how much light they need. It's the sensor that determines how much light is needed. The reason some higher megapixel cameras look worse at night is with the ISO boost you get more grain that is more dispersed across the greater pixel count.
The most important factor in low light performance is sensor size.
And yes, sharpness will absolutely increase with 13mp vs. 8. You have 50% more detail. Keep in mind this really only matters if you are blowing up images on PRINT (it own't make a difference on a 1080p TV since a 2MP image produces a 1920x1080 image, appx.) or if you happen to have a 4k TV
Anyway, bottom line -- I think the Active camera will be BETTER especially at night..
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It won't be. The S4 has a better camera, period. The S4 Active uses the same camera as on the Galaxy S3 which is a very good camera, but not as good as that on the S4. From what I have read, they are having supply issues with the S4 camera and want to keep their supply available to build into regular S4's.
It has an LCD screen which will be much better for a lot of reasons. MUCH brighter, accurate color, no pentile, etc. Work under water, as well as the camera working under water, in the rain, etc.
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Brightness is better but the contrast ratio isn't as good and the blacks aren't as good. This is not a pure win, it's going to be subjective. AMOLED will also have better battery life.
I'm going to start a thread on Verizon forums on this and try to get in touch with their corporate people to see if I can convince them to bring the S4 Active to Verizon. If they come out with it, i'll buy it off contract in a second!!!!
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I think it looks like a great phone. I don't know if it's more rugger in terms of drop capabilities - but the waterproof is very cool. I am an avid skier and would love a waterproof phone. Even to use a phone in the rain without worrying about it is nice.
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There is so much misinformation in this post.
Megapixel count has nothing to do with how much light they need. It's the sensor that determines how much light is needed. The reason some higher megapixel cameras look worse at night is with the ISO boost you get more grain that is more dispersed across the greater pixel count.
The most important factor in low light performance is sensor size.
And yes, sharpness will absolutely increase with 13mp vs. 8. You have 50% more detail. Keep in mind this really only matters if you are blowing up images on PRINT (it own't make a difference on a 1080p TV since a 2MP image produces a 1920x1080 image, appx.) or if you happen to have a 4k TV
It won't be. The S4 has a better camera, period. The S4 Active uses the same camera as on the Galaxy S3 which is a very good camera, but not as good as that on the S4. From what I have read, they are having supply issues with the S4 camera and want to keep their supply available to build into regular S4's.
Brightness is better but the contrast ratio isn't as good and the blacks aren't as good. This is not a pure win, it's going to be subjective. AMOLED will also have better battery life.
I think it looks like a great phone. I don't know if it's more rugger in terms of drop capabilities - but the waterproof is very cool. I am an avid skier and would love a waterproof phone. Even to use a phone in the rain without worrying about it is nice.
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While you're right in most of what you've said, the way you explained it would make the average user think in blanket terms. Higher megapixel count *does*, in fact, require more light to achieve the same results (in terms of stops of light). The larger the sensor, the less light needed to perfectly meter the shot...but with the same size sensor, the higher megapixel sensor will require more light. That part was not incorrect.
In terms of the actual sensor in the Active, nobody knows what it is. You can't say "it's the sensor from the S3", because not even the review sites have any idea at this point. All that we know is that the Active will have an 8MP sensor...assuming that the sensor is the same size as the one in the S4 (there's no reason not to), it potentially could take better shots. Again, that assumes they won't just switch to a smaller 8MP sensor...but if they don't then this thing could be a great camera for low-light shots, since it'll have wonderful sensor pixel density.
I agree with you on the screen. All other factors aside, I'd rather have an LCD than AMOLED. Being able to see the screen during the daytime on an AMOLED is borderline impossible. Yes, the blacks are a little brighter and the contrast is minutely lower...but AMOLED also has its own share of negatives -- the primary being that the saturation is blown through the roof on most of them, completely destroying color balance and realism in pictures.
To the last point...the biggest thing about this phone is that you just don't have to worry about it as much. While most phones today could be used in the rain without issue (seriously...devices today are made to be pretty resilient on their own), this thing could be used in a downpour. It's less important for when you're actually talking on it and more so when it might be in your pocket and it's being covered in water. With a waterproof device, getting caught in a rainstorm isn't as big a deal because the phone won't have a problem with it. That's *HUGE*.
As long as the screen doesn't look like the one on the xperia z from the waterproofing...
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i planned to wait for the release of the gs4 active, because the original gs4 proved to be very fragile. I do not want to be forced to use a bulky case and the gs4 failed multiple drop tests when compared to the iphone 5 and its predecessor, the galaxy s3. According to the rumor mill, the gs4 active will be a inferior to the original gs4. With rumors floating around that it will only have a dual core processor and an 8 megapixel camera, i am not inclined to buy this phone. What are your thoughts? Do you believe that these rumors hold any truth?
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Hey Guys,
G2 has another feather in the cap, G2 tops the charts as best Android Camera Smartphone in Phone Arena Comparison. It matches iPhone 5S, though 1020 was omitted. So it pretty much confirms G2 is the second best camera phone in the market right now
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...One-Motorola-Moto-X-DROID-Ultra_id3447/page/8
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Hey Guys,
G2 has another feather in the cap, G2 tops the charts as best Android Camera Smartphone in Phone Arena Comparison. It matches iPhone 5S, though 1020 was omitted. So it pretty much confirms G2 is the second best camera phone in the market right now
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...One-Motorola-Moto-X-DROID-Ultra_id3447/page/8
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Not only that! The LG G2 is also the highest rated smartphone in PA's (for those who might not know, PA is a popular mobile news & reviews site: PhoneArena.com) history with a score of 9.4 out of 10. The LG G2 beats the Samsung Galaxy S4 which was the previous highest rated smartphone. The only negative aspect of this phone (according to PA) is the lack of a microSD port. But if you get the 32 GB version, you're set. Many of the top smartphones don't offer external memory via microSD; HTC One, Apple iPhone, etc.
LG G2 on PA with specs and rating: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-G2_id7969
Can't wait for my 32 GB version to arrive next week
Sorry, but even as I own an LG G2, I cannot agree with PhoneArena. The LG G2 nighttime video is awful (shutter speed too low, heavy noise reduction, no details at all), and in daytime video there is constant autofocus hunting, as you can see (although the image is very detailed).
iPhone 5s is clearly the winner, it has no obvious flaws. And the G2 does not even come in second.
LG G2 camera produces outstanding results in daylight photos, this is true. But there are significant bugs in the video processing that need to be corrected via a software update ASAP. Even night time still photos suffer from too much noise reduction.
PS: I read that LG is PhoneArena's biggest sponsor.
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PS: I read that LG is PhoneArena's biggest sponsor.
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I hardly ever see an LG ad on their site when I go there. I see mostly Best Buy Mobile ads (mostly Best Buy ads for the S4 or iPhone)
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Sorry, but even as I own an LG G2, I cannot agree with PhoneArena. The LG G2 nighttime video is awful (shutter speed too low, heavy noise reduction, no details at all), and in daytime video there is constant autofocus hunting, as you can see (although the image is very detailed).
iPhone 5s is clearly the winner, it has no obvious flaws. And the G2 does not even come in second.
LG G2 camera produces outstanding results in daylight photos, this is true. But there are significant bugs in the video processing that need to be corrected via a software update ASAP. Even night time still photos suffer from too much noise reduction.
PS: I read that LG is PhoneArena's biggest sponsor.
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Yeah i have to agree i really like the g2 but the camera has serious problems with focusing and shutter speed issues that badly affect picture clarity. I really hope that the camera issues are due to poorly optimized software and can be fixed in an update.
I just watched a few iphone 5s vids. Showing camera and video. The autofocus while recording on the iPhone is terable. So much blur when changing what your looking at. The photos are nice. It low light are about as in impressive as ever other phone. I'm well aware that my phone is a phone first, camera second. but, with a few tweaks here and there. this phone takes amazing photos and great video. Yeah it has its shortcomings so does every single phone on the market. Adjusting shutter speed and the iOS are the key features to great photos
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Totally agree G2 camera blows the other phones camera out of the water. Current only the new iphone and the new lumia phones can compete with the G2 regarding camera
I also think people might need to try to tap the screen on different portions of what they are taking a picture of. I learned quickly that the camera on this phone adjusts to room lighting AND the darkness/brightness of what you're taking a picture of.
So, if I'm in a bright room and I set the focus to something dark, THEN I get the washed out effect. But, if I'm in a bright room and I put the focus on something just as bright, then the camera adjusts to near perfection.
AND put it in reverse if I'm in a dark room. Set it to focus on something bright. (basically just tap the viewer on a bright or dark item and see how the camera will change automagically (I meant that word automagically lol)
That has helped me get much better pictures easily.
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Yeah i have to agree i really like the g2 but the camera has serious problems with focusing and shutter manually issues that badly affect picture clarity. I really hope that the camera issues are due to poorly optimized software and can be fixed in an update.
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Yea or you could manually focus like you don't need -50 DKP
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I am curious to see that article you read. Could you provide a link?
I've been a PA avid reader (i go through every single article or at least have a peek at the main ideas if i'm in a hurry) since a few years. The one thing that really put me off was permanent display of Samsung Galaxy flagship phones at the top of the page, right above the Featured Stories section. The Samsung Galaxy S3 got a permanent spot there for the whole year and eventually S4 joined its older sibling for a very lengthy stay in that bar, which qualifies as nothing short of advertisement for Samsung. It really got me riled up every time i saw the main page and when i pointed that out on YouTube to one of their reviews about the Galaxy S4 besting every other smartphone, my comment got topped up to over a hundred likes. People were finally noticing and PA eventually made some slight changes, but still today, you can pretty much guarantee that you'll see the top Samsung products displayed as a "versus another product" or "review" at the top of the page. As for LG, i never noticed any of its products being advertised on PA. Actually, the G2 just released and despite a great rating, it has only managed to secure a spot at the far right of the page, ready to drop out of the headlines at the next mobile device release.
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actually samsung is their sponsor, their review of the g2 wasn't that great
The camera on this phone is very nice indeed!
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actually samsung is their sponsor, their review of the g2 wasn't that great
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They rated G2 a 9.4 mate, which is pretty high. That said i am not sure how LG is a sponsor as some rightly pointed, all i see is Apple and Samsung on the main page, be it featured stories or main page.
As a matter of fact it seems like a story of some butt hurt fan of maybe HTC one, whose strongest selling point Camera is the worst.
Anyone noticed the audio quality of the videos taken with all the phones and the camera?The quality of the Lg audio is eons ahead of them all including the supposedly great audio quality of ONE.The audio chip and the mics of G2 are amazing.
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Anyone noticed the audio quality of the videos taken with all the phones and the camera?The quality of the Lg audio is eons ahead of them all including the supposedly great audio quality of ONE.The audio chip and the mics of G2 are amazing.
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And how does it perform with loud music/audio? This video doesn't bode well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzmJLCNZJdU
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And how does it perform with loud music/audio? This video doesn't bode well...
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Are we supposed to put the phone near a speaker in full blast,in our everyday use?That kind of comparissons are idiotic at best...When i record a video with crystal clear audio with G2 and the I5s will record a muted low sound,will you be proud that it can do better when you put it near a speaker in full blast? lol Also the G2 is extremely sensitive and pic up noises that other phones cant..thats good and bad,depends on the situation.
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Are we supposed to put the phone near a speaker in full blast,in our everyday use?That kind of comparissons are idiotic at best...When i record a video with crystal clear audio with G2 and the I5s will record a muted low sound,will you be proud that it can do better when you put it near a speaker in full blast? lol
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Some people enjoy going to concerts and all you know... Sometimes they want to record a video of (a piece of) it. And pretty often the sound goes to crap in those situations, so wouldn't call this kind of stuff "idiotic at best". It all depends on what you use it for.
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Some people enjoy going to concerts and all you know... Sometimes they want to record a video of (a piece of) it. And pretty often the sound goes to crap in those situations, so wouldn't call this kind of stuff "idiotic at best". It all depends on what you use it for.
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Putting the phone near a speaker it doesnt emulate a concert at all.The G2 pic up noises that i5s cant this is why its more fuzzy at times.If the sound is crap G2 will pic up a crappy sound,cause it records what is there...Sure it can be good and bad,but its prefferable at least for me,when at 90% of the situations i will use it,the sound will be great,instead of having a sub par sound,that will only be usefull at the 10% of my use (concerts and all)
PA's reviews are continuely garbage. Their ranking system has no repeatability, their test methodology always has flaws. Might as well look at Gizmodo's or Engadget's 'seat of the pants' reviews.
Review from Engadget is up, and looks like most of it is good except low light performance of camera. Hope there is fix for this.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/30/zte-axon-7-review/#gallery=419900&slide=4003963&index=14
I'm still not sure why people seem so obsessed with low light camera performance. When I look at my album, less than 5% of the pictures are of low light scenes. I'm not going to let such a menial metric determine whether or not I buy this.
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I'm still not sure why people seem so obsessed with low light camera performance. When I look at my album, less than 5% of the pictures are of low light scenes. I'm not going to let such a menial metric determine whether or not I buy this.
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Doesn't matter what % you take in low light. low light pictures are the best how you know your camera is good.
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Adiyel said:
I'm still not sure why people seem so obsessed with low light camera performance. When I look at my album, less than 5% of the pictures are of low light scenes. I'm not going to let such a menial metric determine whether or not I buy this.
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If it takes good pictures in low light, then it will probably take great pictures in brighter conditions. Some of us take more pictures at night time, at concerts, or simply want the option to take better quality pictures.
Apropos camera quality, I've almost never liked my iPhone 6's low-light shots, but have absolutely no complaint about the other 98% of the times I take a picture during daylight. So in case you wanna measure it "as of worst case", sure, but I don't think there's a clear way to translate that performance directly to "quality". Specially for a tiny smartphone sensor without interchangable lens etc.
When it comes to the Axon 7's camera, exposure (pictures come out darker from what I've seen) and that grain I see in some pictures are the only "worries" I think I might have when I switch (currently waiting for UNKNOWN EU shipping dates). And both of those problems might as well be fixed via software.
MKBHD [1] said it a couple of times, nowadays we tend to measure smartphones by what's wrong with them, instead of what's right about them. So I understand, why people complain about a not so good low light camera performance.
But I'm with @Adiyel. It's the same for me, I almost never take photos in low light, so I don't care about low light camera performance.
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Axon 7's low light photo results is the only con I know Axon 7 has at the moment....well.....beside the availability problem here in Europe at the moment.
We are judging phones from their flaws since if you see phones with relative similar price, you will start to compare the pros and cons. Since phones these days are already good, looking for their cons are the better comparison rather then going over their pros. In the end, you simply want a the best phone for your money.
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Axon 7's low light photo results is the only con I know Axon 7 has at the moment....well.....beside the availability problem here in Europe at the moment.
We are judging phones from their flaws since if you see phones with relative similar price, you will start to compare the pros and cons. Since phones these days are already good, looking for their cons are the better comparison rather then going over their pros. In the end, you simply want a the best phone for your money.
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Well then from both of you and Cypher's points of views, other phones don't have dual-facing speakers with DOLBY ATMOS AND High-End DAC, so all of them are out of the question. See? Not the best way to compare things...
I don't know about reviews and how it is done, but atleast in real life use I think camera is decent and this is coming from someone who have used Lumia 1520, iPhone 6 & LG G4 in past. My fiancé got same phone and we were texting back and forth on whatsapp yesterday and few selfie she sent in pitch black dark room with just the screen light looked pretty decent to me on my LG G4. If you go pixel peeping even you can find flaws with pics of D800 and 5D mk iii. I think when I get mine from B&H I'd not be upset with the camera atleast based upon what I saw yesterday.
Low light is an issue imo because night-life is a popular time to take pictures for a large amount of phone users. The majority of this forum might be married with kids and/or cave-dwellers but let's not rationalize away things that could use improvement.
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Low light is an issue imo because night-life is a popular time to take pictures for a large amount of phone users. The majority of this forum might be married with kids and/or cave-dwellers but let's not rationalize away things that could use improvement.
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Yeah sure you can complain all you want. Was just throwing in my two cents, and I'm really sad that you won't be able to take great pictures in the dark, where you should be drinking and getting on with the girls instead Coming from a "cave-dweller".
P.S. People should check their upgraditis once in a while. 400 bucks get you this far, and I think you won't find so much more features, if any, in many other phones with the same price.
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Yeah sure you can complain all you want. Was just throwing in my two cents, and I'm really sad that you won't be able to take great pictures in the dark, where you should be drinking and getting on with the girls instead Coming from a "cave-dweller".
P.S. People should check their upgraditis once in a while. 400 bucks get you this far, and I think you won't find so much more features, if any, in many other phones with the same price.
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Night-life is about doing things at night, not just being in a bar/club.
Personally, I think the Axon 7 suits my needs greater than the OP3 (a similarly priced phone) in most ways. Photo quality is an area that the phone is being outperformed however.
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Low light is an issue imo because night-life is a popular time to take pictures for a large amount of phone users. The majority of this forum might be married with kids and/or cave-dwellers but let's not rationalize away things that could use improvement.
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No I'm not trying to rationalize low light performance. All I'm saying is what I've seen so far is good enough for my use, yes there is always room for improvement. But I don't see any other device in this price range with all this feature set giving any better low light pictures then what Axon 7 does at this period of time, There might be devices in future that will beat Axon 7 for price feature category. But at present I feel this is best value for your money. And with more RAM + more powerful processor - point I don't get is if you are not a gamer, does it really matter ?
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Low light is an issue imo because night-life is a popular time to take pictures for a large amount of phone users. The majority of this forum might be married with kids and/or cave-dwellers but let's not rationalize away things that could use improvement.
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I agree with this. Have you seen Linus Tech's review of the Axon? For night scenes, most people are rocking iPhones, Galaxies, LGs, and oddly enough, ZTE phones (4th largest in the USA). Only recent phones really have passable lowlight, and it's easy enough to spend a couple minutes in snapseed and make a night photo really usable.
I also think a problem our generation has is that we judge this phone's lowlight based on other phones, but its performance wouldn't change if these phones didn't exist (the 2016 galaxies).
Like the other guy said earlier, the performance is passable. And lowlight isn't an indication of how good a cam is...it's more indicative of how versatile and stable the performance is across different scenarios. Look at the TechRadar review, and look at the walkway scene. The Axon pulls in far more detail than the S7. Period. Lots of small pixels has a tradeoff for great daytime detail and performance. Large pixels and lower resolution has compromises, too.
Overall, the Axon does so many things right for so little money. How many phones can say that? How many offer what the Axon 7 does at or below is cost? The list is VERY small, trust me.
I would prefer an artificial light / indoor light review as I class that as low light. So many recent phones I have had are awful inside the house and loads of my photos are I doors with my children just having fun and of you want a camera test that would be a great one. Best phone so far including s7 and s7 Edge for taking photos of a baby bouncing in a bouncer is any of the Sony xperia Z range using timeshift burst. One click and an instant 40 photos (I think) 20 before shutter and 20 after now that's amazing at freezing moving images just a shame resolution was a little low and phones heat up) all the same it's a clever bit of software ahead of its time.