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I'm told one of the few Verizon/cdma carrier neutral smartphones is incredible II.. (should work on sprint, at&t, tmobile and various resellers) I'm just wondering if you guys know any more that preferably have more modern hardware.. ?? I prefer plug n' play type stuff.. and ability to use with MVNO's and android
theemaster said:
Sorry, don't know where to post this..?
I'm told one of the few Verizon/cdma carrier neutral smartphones is incredible II.. (should work on sprint, at&t, tmobile and various resellers) I'm just wondering if you guys know any more that preferably have more modern hardware.. ?? I prefer plug n' play type stuff.. and ability to use with MVNO's and android
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Well, CDMA to CDMA will be a little work, is also a legal grey area. But there have been many posts saying that this phone (Droid DNA) works on domestic gsm carriers as well.
People report getting HSPA+ speeds on AT&T and TMo(where refarmed to 1900MHz). You'll only get edge speeds on TMo where they haven't refarmed to 1900MHz yet. So any MVNO based on those carriers should work just fine. You'll obviously have to fiddle with APN settings to get data and MMS to work, but it shouldn't be too hard.
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Well, CDMA to CDMA will be a little work, is also a legal grey area. But there have been many posts saying that this phone (Droid DNA) works on domestic gsm carriers as well.
People report getting HSPA+ speeds on AT&T and TMo(where refarmed to 1900MHz). You'll only get edge speeds on TMo where they haven't refarmed to 1900MHz yet. So any MVNO based on those carriers should work just fine. You'll obviously have to fiddle with APN settings to get data and MMS to work, but it shouldn't be too hard.
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If you take a DNA to a GSM based carrier, you may need to root/reflash with a ROM that is customized for GSM in order to get the APN settings to stick for MMS to work. The phone is SIM unlocked out of the box, I made a phone call using my DNA after popping in a T-Mobile card, without any changes at all.
Oh, I don't think the Incredible II will work on domestic GSM carriers, only European/foreign. At least I haven't ever heard of it working. You might want to verify that if you go that route. My parents are in Europe right now, however, and using their Incredible II's successfully, including APN changes for MMS.
Hi,
As stated, CDMA to CDMA takes a little bit of work. But carriers in the Philly area, like Cricket, allow you to bring some Sprint or Verizon devices over, with a reprogramming fee. I have heard of people reprogramming CDMA devices for Virgin Mobile.
The Droid DNA is a good choice.
As far as GSM goes, I have used a Verizon s3 on t mobile, rooted with custom APN. The radio's are different and the VZW s3 on t mobile only gets HSPA+ . I would just get a GSM version.
What carrier are you waiting to use ?
~Hoovie
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Hi,
As stated, CDMA to CDMA takes a little bit of work. But carriers in the Philly area, like Cricket, allow you to bring some Sprint or Verizon devices over, with a reprogramming fee. I have heard of people reprogramming CDMA devices for Virgin Mobile.
The Droid DNA is a good choice.
As far as GSM goes, I have used a Verizon s3 on t mobile, rooted with custom APN. The radio's are different and the VZW s3 on t mobile only gets HSPA+ . I would just get a GSM version.
What carrier are you waiting to use ?
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Specifically as I stated.. Verizon and tmobile are the top 2 I wish to use.. I wish to use the resellers page plus/lycamobile
A person who uses page plus and has used lycamobile assures me that the incredible II will swap with ease back n' forth after unlocked sim, (I think he means Verizon incredible 2) I would just like to find some newer hardware like the bionic.. or something made in late 2011 or early 2012.. but the information on bionic is it requires custom roms or certain configurations to run on either platform (aka it's not like you can just do a sim swap)
jasoraso said:
If you take a DNA to a GSM based carrier, you may need to root/reflash with a ROM that is customized for GSM in order to get the APN settings to stick for MMS to work. The phone is SIM unlocked out of the box, I made a phone call using my DNA after popping in a T-Mobile card, without any changes at all.
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This. Stupid stock Verizon ROM uses an APN whitelist, the MMS apn type is not included since it is not needed on Verizon's network.
I recommend the NOS M7 ROM or the NOS Google Play Edition ROM, both have a GSM base and work much better on GSM carriers.
The DNA may be fully SIM unlocked out of the box, unfortunately; the stock OS ruins some of the fun.
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thehoovie said:
Hi,
As far as GSM goes, I have used a Verizon s3 on t mobile, rooted with custom APN. The radio's are different and the VZW s3 on t mobile only gets HSPA+ . I would just get a GSM version.
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Isn't the GSM version ALSO going to get HSPA+?
You'd need a version that supports T-Mobile's LTE frequencies to do better than HSPA+
I get 1900mhz hspap on an att SIM with my droid Dna on a gsm Rom everything works great
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Zarboz said:
I get 1900mhz hspap on an att SIM with my droid Dna on a gsm Rom everything works great
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What speeds?
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Is it true that I can put a at&t sim card in my t-mobile amaze and get 3 and 4 g coverage?Does this phone have LTE bands in it?and I was told thY the white amaze is better than the black one why?
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Mesaman2012 said:
Is it true that I can put a at&t sim card in my t-mobile amaze and get 3 and 4 g coverage?Does this phone have LTE bands in it?and I was told thY the white amaze is better than the black one why?
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Both white and black are the same, yes you will get 3G and 4G coverage on at&t since 4G is hspa and at&t supports hspa.
No this phone doesn't have lte and just a heads up, though you will get 4G, it might not be as fast t-mobile from what I've heard, their HSPA isn't that fast but still pretty decent.
I appreciate that.
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Is this phone pentaband? If it is specific for TMO bands only, you will only get edge on AT&T as I understand it......
gagb1967 said:
Is this phone pentaband? If it is specific for TMO bands only, you will only get edge on AT&T as I understand it......
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It has the 1900 band, at&t's HSPA network runs on that band.
What about 3g?
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What about 3g?
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HSPA is 3G, HSPA+ is 4G, the iPhone has both HSPA and HSPA+, which works on the iPhone's 1900 band, get where I'm going with this?
I'm using my Amaze on at&t through straight talk and it's 4g.
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Using my amaze on straight talk at&t towers, works great with 3g/4g.
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Using my amaze on straight talk at&t towers, works great with 3g/4g.
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Can you post some screenshots of your speed tests? I didn't think straight talk supported 4G.
Dark Ellipse said:
Can you post some screenshots of your speed tests? I didn't think straight talk supported 4G.
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Two people made this claim, doubt they would both be lying.
Dark Ellipse said:
Can you post some screenshots of your speed tests? I didn't think straight talk supported 4G.
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ST does support 4G but right now my tower is under a full noon load.
12 noon speed is awful but 12 midnight speed is great.
At&t doesn't keep up on maintenance with these towers.
Are you forced into an at&t data plan?
jtevis said:
Are you forced into an at&t data plan?
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Don't think they can force you into one if you bring your own device.
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Don't think they can force you into one if you bring your own device.
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Don't think they can force you into one if you bring your own device.
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I used to work for Business End User Care for AT&T. As of the time I left (november), if you placed your sim in a smartphone and used it for about a day the system would add the lowest data plan and send you a text message indicating it had been added to your account. Even if you were using someone's phone while your "feature phone" wad being replaced, it was required. I've had to read that section of the TOS to many, many angry people. I would call and confirm just to be safe.
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I used to work for Business End User Care for AT&T. As of the time I left (november), if you placed your sim in a smartphone and used it for about a day the system would add the lowest data plan and send you a text message indicating it had been added to your account. Even if you were using someone's phone while your "feature phone" wad being replaced, it was required. I've had to read that section of the TOS to many, many angry people. I would call and confirm just to be safe.
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I didnt know that, wow ATT sucks
That's hot I didn't now we could do all these things to a device. I had idea until my friend mentioned it sweet.
Biohazard0289 said:
I used to work for Business End User Care for AT&T. As of the time I left (november), if you placed your sim in a smartphone and used it for about a day the system would add the lowest data plan and send you a text message indicating it had been added to your account. Even if you were using someone's phone while your "feature phone" wad being replaced, it was required. I've had to read that section of the TOS to many, many angry people. I would call and confirm just to be safe.
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DO NOT CALL to ask..... as they won't know the answer, and might put a note on your account to force a data plan(well, you could call and ask on someone else's phone without giving your account number)
the primary way (so far that I've seen) that AT&T detects your smartphone is via IMEI. Secondary might be you using >100GB/month, connecting to their 4G APN settings, going to a store for help and letting the customer rep see that you have a smartphone
does AT&T have your IMEI? probably not.... AT&T has IMEI of all of their smartphones, so you can't use an AT&T smartphone. You can try using an (unlocked) t-mobile phone, but might not support the right 3G/4G bands that AT&T use. You can try international phones, canda phones(from Bell, Telus...). WARNING>>>. AT&T might have your IMEI because the manufacture gave them the IMEI(See Google Nexus phones), inference from branded phones that they carry(eg Phone is sold/branded by AT&T and t-mobile... AT&T gets a list of their phone IMEIs that might include t-mobile's IMEIs), screwups(Samsung Note overseas was misentered as a tablet on AT&T's network, white i9100 Galaxy SII is misentered as a Blackberry on AT&T's network)
The link at the end of this post gives a guide to what phones are 100% compatible(3G/4G on 850/1900) on AT&T's network.
According to this, the T-Mobile Amaze 4G is compatible with AT&T 3G/4G, but I have some confusion on the 850/1900 mhz band for the 3G/4G data, trying to sort it out(last few posts on that thread)
Guide to what phones are 100% compatible with AT&T's network
anyways, quick update
got a T-mobile Amaze 4G to play with
(with unlocked bootloader, S-Off, Super CID and SIM unlock, all available on this forum), works on AT&T 4G (HSDPA)
speeds right now ~ 1000 kbits/s up/down, hard to test because my location is spotty
Here is my issue. I am currently in the US. I might teach ESL overseas in Korea in January. I am not sure which phone to get. Will the USA one work over in Korea? Will thew international one work in the US?
It could work but Sprint has the radios locked.
Would developers be able to get them unlocked?
Buy international set
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Would developers be able to get them unlocked?
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They propably can but the intl one supports more radio frequensies and is assembled to work worldwide so I'd buy it in any case rather than us version.
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The international one works in the US flawless... just not on all carriers... it works the best on AT&T if you want to use it in the US and get 4G(HSPA+)
You can use it on T-Mobile but you will have to settle for EDGE(2G)
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It would work on most carriers which uses the international frequencies.
Not just AT&T for US. Works with Rogers, Fido, Telus, and Bell Mobility in Canada for instance.
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The international one works in the US flawless... just not on all carriers... it works the best on AT&T if you want to use it in the US and get 4G(HSPA+)
You can use it on T-Mobile but you will have to settle for EDGE(2G)
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Just a side note, HSPA+ is not 4G. It's still 3G. LTE/WiMax is 4G.
so which companies will it work with 4g/lte? Will it not work with Sprint? Anyone know any deals for the international version?
Sprint (and Verizon) is on an old CDMA network while the majority of the world is on GSM, you know, operating with a SIM card. If you're set on travelling, it's better to get any of the GSM-variant, that way, you can just pop in any sim card from any major carriers all over the world.
I currently have a photon which has a sim card slot in it. So the Galaxy s international wont work on Sprint? Damn I want to keep my SERO plan lol. So where can I get an international verison from? Also would I have to pay full price for it?
Does the photon has an active sim card in it? I'm assuming no. I've never used a dual-mode phone before (nor am I familiar with how they operate on different networks), so I dont know the ins-and-outs on how to get it activate for a GSM carrier.
Damn, now i have a headache just trying to figure out how it works to have an intl GSM phone on a network that is predominantly CDMA whom happens to offer a dual-mode phone on their network
Call sprint problem solved
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Chaos Residue said:
Just a side note, HSPA+ is not 4G. It's still 3G. LTE/WiMax is 4G.
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In 2010 the International Telecommunications Union redefined 4G to include HSPA+.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2374564,00.asp
thegameksk said:
I currently have a photon which has a sim card slot in it. So the Galaxy s international wont work on Sprint? Damn I want to keep my SERO plan lol. So where can I get an international verison from? Also would I have to pay full price for it?
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The SIM in the Photon is just for roaming. Sprint does not use SIM cards - even their LTE phones have them embedded rather than user-accessible.
As the Sprint Galaxy S III is not a 'global' phone - i.e. does not have both GSM/UMTS and CDMA radios - do not purchase it if you have any intention of using it outside the US. CDMA is no longer a global technology.
Confuses me a little that people spend so much on devices without checking what networks they support. Ho-hum.
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Is there any way to use an unlocked tmobile s4 on verizon???? Can you flash a certain modem to make it work?
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Is there any way to use an unlocked tmobile s4 on verizon???? Can you flash a certain modem to make it work?
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This is not 100%, but just my understanding. The T-mobile version shouldn't have the radio frequencies , or even the same technology (gsm vs. CDMA) as the verizon S4. Dont think there is any amount of software modifications that an allow it either.
No, you cannot use it. It lacks the hardware radio.
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Damn. Didn't think so but was hoping so!
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It's possible. %100. I'm going to start working on it now that I got my VZ S4 from work...(I have tmo for my personal phone). Please....PLEASE....PLEASE!!! let's not have anyone else say "it's not possible". I'm begging you. Before you spout off about this that or the other thing...read up on the phone. Learn about frequencies, modulation, SDRs...etc.
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It's possible. %100. I'm going to start working on it now that I got my VZ S4 from work...(I have tmo for my personal phone). Please....PLEASE....PLEASE!!! let's not have anyone else say "it's not possible". I'm begging you. Before you spout off about this that or the other thing...read up on the phone. Learn about frequencies, modulation, SDRs...etc.
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Its possible but not probable because VZW is still using CDMA so is Sprint and I do not think the TMo/ATT/GE version have the baseband nor the radios to support CDMA. Once LTE band 4 is enabled and VoLTE is prevalent then the phone can be seemless across carriers.
I know it work the other way around
I put a prepaid att sim card in my ZVW s4 and it worked! As the vzw s4 comes stock as a world phone and can be used on gsm networks. Without unlocking. So if you unlock your TM s4 you should be able to pop in a vzw 4g sim and be OK?
I don't think you will have 4G though if you got a buddy with a vzw 4g phone grab his sim and try it after you unlock.
Att - gsm
T-Mobile - gsm
Sprint - cdma
Verizon - cdma / gsm 4g lte
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Samstealth7 said:
I know it work the other way around
I put a prepaid att sim card in my ZVW s4 and it worked! As the vzw s4 comes stock as a world phone and can be used on gsm networks. Without unlocking. So if you unlock your TM s4 you should be able to pop in a vzw 4g sim and be OK?
I don't think you will have 4G though if you got a buddy with a vzw 4g phone grab his sim and try it after you unlock.
Att - gsm
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Again the Tmo/ATT/GE do not support the LTE bands on VZW/SPRINT nor do they support CDMA/EVDO.
The VZW variant should work on any GSM network with a sim swap and APN switch but LTE will be limited or not available.
Right so he won't get 4g/4g lte
But should be OK on 3g after the apn settings are configured I believe. Hope this helps
I tryed to post an image or link but I can't yet cuz I'm still a noob here at xda sorry
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Is there any way to use an unlocked tmobile s4 on verizon???? Can you flash a certain modem to make it work?
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You CAN, but that does mean you'll want to.
T-Mobile utilizes 2 spectrums for HSPA+ and LTE. 1700/2100 for both. Without access to both spectrums the device will not receive data. Best you'll get is EDGE, which is only from interoperability with AT&T.
There are not interoperability standards for 4G LTE so you couldn't use this on AT&T LTE either.
So yes you can do it, but you won't like the service.
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You CAN, but that does mean you'll want to.
T-Mobile utilizes 2 spectrums for HSPA+ and LTE. 1700/2100 for both. Without access to both spectrums the device will not receive data. Best you'll get is EDGE, which is only from interoperability with AT&T.
There are not interoperability standards for 4G LTE so you couldn't use this on AT&T LTE either.
So yes you can do it, but you won't like the service.
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You cannot use the T-Mobile S4 on Verizon, period. It doesn't support CDMA or LTE band 13 which are the only bands that Verizon currently offers service.
Now if you had a Verizon S4 you could use that on T-Mobile since it supports HSPA on the PCS band and LTE on band 4 which are both used by T-Mobile for 3G and 4G but that isn't what the original poster asked about.
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It's possible. %100. I'm going to start working on it now that I got my VZ S4 from work...(I have tmo for my personal phone). Please....PLEASE....PLEASE!!! let's not have anyone else say "it's not possible". I'm begging you. Before you spout off about this that or the other thing...read up on the phone. Learn about frequencies, modulation, SDRs...etc.
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The question is will a t-mobile S4 work on VZW. The answer is no, it will not. Not unless that MDM9215 spontaneously changes into an MDM9615.
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Can you guys please read the data sheets on the APQ8064T, MDM9215M, and WTR1605L...then come back and tell us how it won't work.
Edit: Hint....the 9215 is what is inside the Nexus 4....which I also own....running LTE on T-Mobile...
Yes, but can you use that Nexus 4 on any cdma carrier?
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Yes, but can you use that Nexus 4 on any cdma carrier?
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With the right hacks...yes. It's possible man.
This article (from QComm) states that the 9615 is capable of CDMA
This link shows very little difference between the 9615 and the 9215...
Again, I implore you all to be diligent when it comes to exploring new ideas...don't just dismiss something as not possible. There's no such thing.
Edit: Just incase the second link to the PDF doesn't work or is REALLY slow...I've attached the document to the post. Also, I took the time to spoon feed someone the info in another post linked here ....
Edit 2: Nevermind, the PDF is 2.5MB...won't let me attach it.
You may want to do a bit more research on the MDM9215. It does NOT support CDMA. It is only used in UMTS/GSM + LTE devices. CDMA support is what differentiates the MDM9615 from its sibling. This was explicitly noted by Qualcomm at UPLINQ 2012 as part of their QCMB API presentation.
So once again I will reiterate that a T-Mobile S4 lacks the necessary hardware to operate on Big Red. Furthermore, it is a simple matter to note that the MDM9215's commercial availability is limited to UMTS/GSM + LTE devices.
No amount of mad hacking skillz can overcome that hardware limitation. It would be necessary to replace the MDM9215 with a MDM9615, which is far from being a simple plug and play operation.
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Crap..my retarded ass read it as VZ S4 on Tmo...not the other way around...in that case, you're right...my apologies...I've been researching getting the VZ S4 working on Tmo....since that's what I'm going to be doing.
Again...my apologies.
I have the Verizon galaxy S4 running Loki'd Hyperdrive rom and I'm on T-mobile, but I only get 2G (AKA edge and too slow for mms) how can I get T-Mobiles HSPA+?
I was using AT&T's AIRVOICE and got HSPA+ but always got redirected tot he GoPhone account empty screen. so HSPA+ worked but AT&T wasn't fond of my s4 being verizon branded. So I switched to T-Mobile and I HATE Edge. but it's better than nothing.
You can't get a device on Verizon that was not part of the Verizon database to work.
Look at the new Nexus 7, even with the correct frequencies, people are having a hell of a time trying to get a device with the right LTE bands to activate.
If it's not sold as a Verizon device, sell it and buy something else.
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Found this with the search function, it's from last year, not sure if it's still accurate.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975953&highlight=straight
"Flashing to Straight Talk" can vary, depending on how you want to go about it... Straight Talk has two types of service, CDMA and GSM, both of which will work on the Rezound to a varying degree.
The CDMA mode is as @mjones73 mentioned, and it required a donor phone to clone the ESN/MEID from to be activated. This will use Verizon service in 3G mode, which is kind of slow (about 600kbps in my area at best) but it will work. The practice of ESN cloning is... umm... questionable though technically possible.
The GSM mode requires a stockish global mode ROM, and a T-Mobile or AT&T SIM card from Straight Talk... Voice and SMS will work out of the box, MMS and data require a little tweaking. There are a few guides out there but @REV3NT3CH is working on a guide to get AT&T 4G on the Rezound... yes, I said 4G! I believe he also has/had 3G working on T-Mobile service with Straight Talk as well. Be patient, those guides will be coming soon, I know he is working on them and they should be ready soon.
I can help anybody flash their phone to straight talk PM me
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Just wondering if there was any update on the potential access to 4g for the Rezzy on Straight Talk. Saw it mentioned and have been thinking about flashing over to Straight Talk.
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Just wondering if there was any update on the potential access to 4g for the Rezzy on Straight Talk. Saw it mentioned and have been thinking about flashing over to Straight Talk.
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4G on Verizon (CDMA/LTE) will likely never be possible unless Verizon has a serious change of policy.
4G/LTE may be possible on an StraightTalk AT&T SIM, @REV3NT3CH keeps saying he has it working and will be putting out this step-by-step guide, but so far it seems just like a vaporous apparition.
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4G on Verizon (CDMA/LTE) will likely never be possible unless Verizon has a serious change of policy.
4G/LTE may be possible on an StraightTalk AT&T SIM, @REV3NT3CH keeps saying he has it working and will be putting out this step-by-step guide, but so far it seems just like a vaporous apparition.
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Um.. Typo maybe? Maybe I didn't read that right?
I'm on Verizon and I get 4g fine.
Maybe you meant GSM won't get 4g, or that Verizon phones won't get 4g on different networks?
Lol.
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Um.. Typo maybe? Maybe I didn't read that right?
I'm on Verizon and I get 4g fine.
Maybe you meant GSM won't get 4g, or that Verizon phones won't get 4g on different networks?
Lol.
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Sorry, I meant a phone with Straight Talk service using Verizon towers.
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Sorry, I meant a phone with Straight Talk service using Verizon towers.
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to answer all the confusion....the htc vigor (rezound) has all the bands to support it...they are just locked by default in the nv....its alot of hex coding and as i do get 4g i also noticed a few errors....like it confusing certain roms to default and do a weird lock and defaults back to cdma only after a few hours of usage on 4g....the reason for its delay on release is kitkat development
As far as gsm goes I didn't even hafta do anything I just popped in my sim card to stock and I could do calls texts yes both sending and receiving (but this is on T-Mobile gsm which should be similar) I haven't found a ROM yet (I'm on PAC man right now) that I can't get everything working on it without too much trouble (I don't have a data plan but I can get MMS to work which works through data)
Edit: (I couldn't get Gsm working on the 4.4 ROM) but that's it
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As far as gsm goes I didn't even hafta do anything I just popped in my sim card to stock and I could do calls texts yes both sending and receiving (but this is on T-Mobile gsm which should be similar) I haven't found a ROM yet (I'm on PAC man right now) that I can't get everything working on it without too much trouble (I don't have a data plan but I can get MMS to work which works through data)
Edit: (I couldn't get Gsm working on the 4.4 ROM) but that's it
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I'm actually working on a pure gsm kitkat for the rezound....i can also second that right now it doesnt work from straight flash....requires a few build.prop edits and to enter a special menu just to get calling and normal texting to work...data was hit or miss with the 4.4 on the main dev thread...i will also second that using a sim card for straight talk is much less of a hassle than actually flashing the carrier to your rezound and depending on the flash youll never be able to change your rom again without breaking the flash....i use their att version of their sim as tmobile has less likely of a chance to get 4g to ever work on the rezound.....i have gotten it to work with a certain model of their micro sim and sim adapter with a mass multitude of nv edits....
OK been thinking about moving to straight talk with my Rezound. I'm already rooted with custom rom cm10.2. Can I just put in an AT&T straight talk sim card and get 4g coverage? If not are there steps I can do to get 4g working?
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Uncleheff said:
OK been thinking about moving to straight talk with my Rezound. I'm already rooted with custom rom cm10.2. Can I just put in an AT&T straight talk sim card and get 4g coverage? If not are there steps I can do to get 4g working?
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no the highest you will get currently is 3g....however i am working on the NV edits (which is required to even get the 3g in the first place) to get full 4g which is only obtainable via the att micro sim and micro sim to normal sim adapter....also you will have to edit the apn settings to get data....same would go if you were to flash it....which just getting a sim is cheaper
Is it illegal to flash the Rezound, or any Verizon phone for that matter, to straight talk?
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Uncleheff said:
Is it illegal to flash the Rezound, or any Verizon phone for that matter, to straight talk?
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No... why would you think that?
Now, if you do something like cloning a MEID/IMEI number, that might fall into a different category, but "flashing" a Rezound to Straight Talk (or most other carrier) involves little more then enabling some of the features and changing a few settings in the phone that are hidden, disabled, or limited by the default carrier.
I think part of the steps to flash the Rezound to get 3g coverage is to have a donor phone and clone it. So you're saying the cloning part would be illegal? What if you own the donor phone and the Rezound outright?
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I think part of the steps to flash the Rezound to get 3g coverage is to have a donor phone and clone it. So you're saying the cloning part would be illegal? What if you own the donor phone and the Rezound outright?
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So, you mean move it to Straight Talk CDMA service, not GSM? Different ballgame... ESN/MEID cloning for fraudulent purposes is clearly illegal, doing it yourself for devices you own is a very grey area, the law isn't as cut and dry, if you Google the question of ESN cloning you will find widely varied answers but nothing cut and dry.
I know people who have done it successfully for exactly the purpose and situation you describe and haven't had an issue, but at the same time if Straight Talk/PagePlus or whoever decided to push it, they could say you are performing fraud and possibly violating their terms of service as well since the device ESN is not just a radio identifier, it also is assigned by the manufacturer and registered with a specific device and specific capabilities.
All in all, its your call...no where have I seen this discussion come a black and white answer.
The difference with using SIMs between devices and ESN swapping is clear though and ruled not illegal as the capabilities and service are tied to the SIM and not the not the device itself, as although carriers may require the devices IMEI number for provisioning their services and prevention of fraudulent activities.
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So, you mean move it to Straight Talk CDMA service, not GSM? Different ballgame... ESN/MEID cloning for fraudulent purposes is clearly illegal, doing it yourself for devices you own is a very grey area, the law isn't as cut and dry, if you Google the question of ESN cloning you will find widely varied answers but nothing cut and dry.
I know people who have done it successfully for exactly the purpose and situation you describe and haven't had an issue, but at the same time if Straight Talk/PagePlus or whoever decided to push it, they could say you are performing fraud and possibly violating their terms of service as well since the device ESN is not just a radio identifier, it also is assigned by the manufacturer and registered with a specific device and specific capabilities.
All in all, its your call...no where have I seen this discussion come a black and white answer.
The difference with using SIMs between devices and ESN swapping is clear though and ruled not illegal as the capabilities and service are tied to the SIM and not the not the device itself, as although carriers may require the devices IMEI number for provisioning their services and prevention of fraudulent activities.
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I have a friend that wants me to help them get a Verizon phone working on straight talk and I want to make sure I'm not about to unknowingly do something illegal. That's why all the questions. Thanks for the help. Next question.....if the phone has gsm settings they could just switch to that for service and everything is legal? Also what kind of data speeds can be expected? 2g, 3g, or 4g (yea right!!!)?
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I have a friend that wants me to help them get a Verizon phone working on straight talk and I want to make sure I'm not about to unknowingly do something illegal. That's why all the questions. Thanks for the help. Next question.....if the phone has gsm settings they could just switch to that for service and everything is legal? Also what kind of data speeds can be expected? 2g, 3g, or 4g (yea right!!!)?
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As I said, the legality is questionable... Its not black and white.
The Rezound is a Global Phone and has GSM capabilities to an extent... 2G/Edge is possible on all US GSM carriers, 3G/HSPA is possible on AT&T based networks with a compatible ROM. 4G/HSPA+ is marginally possible with a LOT of modding, @REV3NT3CH is kind of the master here on that. 4G/LTE is not possible on any non-VZW carrier.
That being said, the Rezound's GSM radios are not tuned for US carriers, so signal strength and data performance suffer.
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I have a friend that wants me to help them get a Verizon phone working on straight talk and I want to make sure I'm not about to unknowingly do something illegal. That's why all the questions. Thanks for the help. Next question.....if the phone has gsm settings they could just switch to that for service and everything is legal? Also what kind of data speeds can be expected? 2g, 3g, or 4g (yea right!!!)?
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its lega las the rezound comes even with stock latest update with unlocked gsm capabilities...you just have to make certain edits to get the 3g to work...i used an att based sim for straight talk and was able to get really good 3g with the proper modifications to build.prop, ril, and nv edits
I just upgraded to the droid turbo and my gf is on sprint. I wanted to give her my phone, but I wasn't sure if it was possible. I was thinking I could just SIM unlock the phone and then get a micro SIM card from Sprint and simply activate it in a sprint store. Is this possible or not?
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Nope. Sprint is CDMA only. No Sims.
npjohnson said:
Nope. Sprint is CDMA only. No Sims.
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Um.. I'm confused, sprint does use LTE correct? I've seen sprint SIM cards before. And Verizon also uses CDMA so it has the correct radios.
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graymonkey44 said:
Um.. I'm confused, sprint does use LTE correct? I've seen sprint SIM cards before. And Verizon also uses CDMA so it has the correct radios.
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Yes. Sprint uses LTE, Verizon phones are SIM (GSM) unlocked, but are CDMA locked to Verizon. Even if CDMA was unlocked, it doesn't support the correct CDMA bands. And no. There is no way to hack it in.
If you can get your hands on a Sprint SIM and put it in the VZW S4 and you used NVRAM edits (extremely complicated) to enable the correct LTE bands, it would only get 4G LTE service, not 3G or Voice or SMS service.
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Yes. Sprint uses LTE, Verizon phones are SIM (GSM) unlocked, but are CDMA locked to Verizon. Even if CDMA was unlocked, it doesn't support the correct CDMA bands. And no. There is no way to hack it in.
If you can get your hands on a Sprint SIM and put it in the VZW S4 and you used NVRAM edits (extremely complicated) to enable the correct LTE bands, it would only get 4G LTE service, not 3G or Voice or SMS service.
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All right that makes sense. Thank you for clearing it up with me.
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