Get to XZU today. First experience is about some light lags..
the model is the eu C6833 with FW .532
lags are not so terrible, but facing like my Xperia Z (standard, not Z1) i notice some less lagging into Z (C6603)...and thats curious, because i read around that the Ultra has no lags at all! So i was quite suprised..
Even during the startup, starting both phones, can be noticed on the Z standard the coloured stripes passing in a much more smooth way... instead on the Ultra.. they are quite lagging some... i know, that means nothing. I just asking about other experiences..
But, another problem, and this is not just a lag feeling... while using the phone (the ULTRA)... occasionally it shots here and there some clicks... is not happening continuous... just it may happen a couple of time in one hour.. for example.. while i am tiping.. just some character jumps out.. and maybe the keyboard goes away..then suddenly return after 1 or 2 seconds.. quite weird..
Also.. i figured that may be a common problem related to youthness of firmware?
I got the device today.. so, i may return it for replacement to the store asap, if i figure that may have some defects.
Suggestions?
MANY THANKS!
The current firmware is not even close to being bug free, so weird stuff will happen, but if you can't live with it i would get a replacement and hope for the best. It's all software bugs though, so you might end up with a new device that's similar to the one you have now.
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ah well..its ok i can wait.. i just was not sure if was a software youthness defect, or a hardware defect. That may be quite different, because after a week i can not return the phone to the store, so if a hardware issue came out, i would have to send the device for service and wait "who knows how long" to get it back...(and maybe, having the problem still there..)
I'm not experiencing any lag, but my screen is more sensitive after i updated from 510 to 532, which is a thing that i don't like, and it results in a couple of random taps that i don't want. This showed up for me after the 532 update, so it's a software bug. One thing i would do if i were you is to use the diagnosis tool (Settings->About) and test everything and see if there are any hardware defects; just to be sure.
I'm thinking either the screen is overly sensitive to your inputs or you might have had it connected to a charger at the same time?
Depending on the quality of the charger, this can play havoc with a capacitive screen and I have noticed odd behaviour on cheaper chargers since getting my first capacitive screen phone and almost every device I have had since can exhibit this behaviour, XZU included.
waveloom said:
Get to XZU today. First experience is about some light lags..
the model is the eu C6833 with FW .532
lags are not so terrible, but facing like my Xperia Z (standard, not Z1) i notice some less lagging into Z (C6603)...and thats curious, because i read around that the Ultra has no lags at all! So i was quite suprised..
Even during the startup, starting both phones, can be noticed on the Z standard the coloured stripes passing in a much more smooth way... instead on the Ultra.. they are quite lagging some... i know, that means nothing. I just asking about other experiences..
MANY THANKS!
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Is your C6833 from one of the carriers, which might have bloatware (a possible reason) , or is it contract-free standard Sony?
Your comment about the boot up image caught my eye. The purple wave/swoosh at bootup really lagged on my C6802 when I used backup/restore to go back to previous settings with different firmware. A clean re-install solved all of it.
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I'm thinking either the screen is overly sensitive to your inputs or you might have had it connected to a charger at same time...
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Oh no i never use devices while keeping connected...btw the xzu..is supplied with original charger...i see no reason to use a cheap blotty charger with it.. I guess you are right about oversensitivity..i applied a film protection on the screen and i am noticing much less random clicks...
But i sm still evaluating the return policy of my store..to go and get another one.. Just dont want to lose time if this are software issues..
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I'm not experiencing any lag, but my screen is more sensitive after i updated from 510 to 532, which is a thing that i don't like, and it results in a couple of random taps that i don't want. This showed up for me after the 532 update, so it's a software bug. One thing i would do if i were you is to use the diagnosis tool (Settings->About) and test everything and see if there are any hardware defects; just to be sure.
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The Diagnosis tools, reported all "OK" except the flash. I guest because there's no flash..
I just repeat. That lags are not aggressive.. but the refresh is quite far from that i've seen in youtube reviews.. i would say, same performance like Xperia Z.. and that's nonsense because one is Snap600 at 1.5ghz and XZU Snap800 a 2.2ghz so, it MUST be, more reactive..
AnTuTu v4, reported 34000 anyway. And the reliability test passed.
jewelkobayashi said:
Is your C6833 from one of the carriers, which might have bloatware (a possible reason) , or is it contract-free standard Sony?
Your comment about the boot up image caught my eye. The purple wave/swoosh at bootup reall
y lagged on my C6802 when I used backup/restore to go back to previous settings with different firmware. A clean re-install solved all of it.
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It is unbranded device..there is some bloatware..but not more than the usual in last Xperia..like mcfee.. Linkedin..filecommander and a couple of tools..but the boot time is substantially higher than those seen in youtube video reviews..
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I am either returning my Prime today or trading it for another (one more time). I have had to exchange at best buy a couple of times due to the horrible screen tearing on the first one in gallery, camera and several other apps. Second prime the bottom of the screen died in less than 3 days and would never come back. Factory reset/ cold boot/ soft boot/ you name it. So now im on my third prime and i am still getting artifacts on my home screen and other apps. I have done the whole factory rest, install from sd, cold boot, soft boot, and nothing will stop this dang artifacting. Is this a common problem with the prime and i should expect it from ALL primes, or am i a victim of bad luck and should try another prime? If the majority has issues with this, i am returning it, but if the majority never experiences it i would love to exchange it and get a good working tab that i can keep. Not to keen on anything else until the S4 Krait hits tabs.
thanks for as many replies as possible as i hope to get a good number of responses so i can determine if its a flaw in all primes or just the ones i have had the fortune of using.
Thanks for your time!
Edit, here is a test that anyone with the app can try and reproduce.
C4 Here and have them happen sporadically and easily produced in several apps and launcher. Beautiful widgets is the easiest. I have been wanting someone to test this but haven't had any luck. Just set the beautiful widget forecast (last widget in the list of BW's) on any screen. tap the widget to access the animated graphics. If you location does not have the moving clouds change it to San Diego as it has been cloudy here for a couple of weeks. While the clouds are moving click either the clock or the recent apps button and usually within seconds you will start getting severe artifacts. I have been able to reproduce this on every prime i have gotten my hands on. I also get screen tearing/flickering in androbench pretty regularly but it is different than the artifact. My first prime, before i had it replaced suffered horribly from the left hand side of the screen turning static in camera and other apps. After that replacement my prime and those i have access to suffer the artifacts on .28 in several apps. Someone please try the BW scenario to a tee and give it about 30 seconds at most and see if you receive the artifacts.
I can't blame the BW app though as i have it happen more randomly in several apps, its just that i can reproduce it easily with the BW animation.
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-Rope
mine stopped for now. ever since I did a manual reinstallation of the firmware & did a full wipe, only saw it 2 times on random occasions. Gone after a reboot.
p/s : b4 reinstallation & wipe, reboot wouldnt solve a thing. the damn problem sticks around
MXR2 said:
mine stopped for now. ever since I did a manual reinstallation of the firmware & did a full wipe, only saw it 2 times of random occasions. Gone after a reboot.
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Thanks! That is exactly what i am after, just some confirmation that it is a wide spread issue. I hate being picky, but my unit gets them pretty bad and i am holding out hopes that this doesn't affect all primes. Im gonna update the OP with a test if anyone else that reads this can try. It almost always forces screen artifacts that can't be reproduced on any of my other ICS tabs or phones.
Thanks again!
Also, i did the whole factory reset, installed via sd, hard boot, soft boot, and nothing gets rid of them...
-Rope
welrope said:
Thanks! That is exactly what i am after, just some confirmation that it is a wide spread issue. I hate being picky, but my unit gets them pretty bad and i am holding out hopes that this doesn't affect all primes. Im gonna update the OP with a test if anyone else that reads this can try. It almost always forces screen artifacts that can't be reproduced on any of my other ICS tabs or phones.
Thanks again!
Also, i did the whole factory reset, installed via sd, hard boot, soft boot, and nothing gets rid of them...
-Rope
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This issue is a Graphics Driver Issue (I'm 99% Sure). It was almost gone in .21 (I never had it). The graphic drivers was cleaned up in this latest patch, and after that some users have been having this issue.
It's just a buggy driver / incompatibility with some apps.
No ;l
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No ;l
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Are you saying you have never had the issue?
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welrope said:
Are you saying you have never had the issue?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using XDA Premium HD app
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not really. I had it maybe once or twice. it was either from an update or overclocking. the home screen icon and recent apps looked like it was glitching. I rebooted the prime n never seen it again. I wouldn't call that a display issue. Only a 1 time thing. never had anything like you described where bottom of screen or whatever died out on me.
Overall, I've been very satisfied with my prime display. its been performing fine for me. very responsive.
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not really. I had it maybe once or twice. it was either from an update or overclocking. the home screen icon and recent apps looked like it was glitching. I rebooted the prime n never seen it again. I wouldn't call that a display issue. Only a 1 time thing. never had anything like you described where bottom of screen or whatever died out on me.
Overall, I've been very satisfied with my prime display. its been performing fine for me. very responsive.
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That gives me hope, I wonder if i should try replacing the one i have once more. The screen tearing is the only think keeping this from being a perfect pad for me. I get the tearing in androbench, my home screen, weather forecast and even when unlocking my prime. Also, after following your recommendations on improving performance, all i can say is wow, made it a new machine (-minus the screen artifacts that have always been there even on .21.) So, in your opinion, do you think i have a lemon and my problem is specific to my prime and should replace it? or do you think this is a common problem and should just return it?
Was very curious and decided to check it myself, but sorry mate, I wasn't able to reproduce it on beautifull widget. DO you have another app I could try to reproduce the issue ?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda premium
I have the same problem with Apex Launcher the left side of the screen starts to glitch and the only solution is to restart. It goes away for some time but after a while it comes back. I figured it's a software issue and just stopped using apex launcher. I'm curious if the problem is still there with some of the non-stock roms, but if it's the graphics driver I presume it's there ... Let's hope that with the next update things are going to be better.
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I have the same problem with Apex Launcher the left side of the screen starts to glitch and the only solution is to restart. It goes away for some time but after a while it comes back. I figured it's a software issue and just stopped using apex launcher. I'm curious if the problem is still there with some of the non-stock roms, but if it's the graphics driver I presume it's there ... Let's hope that with the next update things are going to be better.
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The cheap solution when using Apex is to just rotate the screen, scroll and rotate it back... it will get rid of it
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Was very curious and decided to check it myself, but sorry mate, I wasn't able to reproduce it on beautifull widget. DO you have another app I could try to reproduce the issue ?
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It only does it for me if the weather forecast is cloudy.( which it has been here lately) lol. Change your location to Miami or San Diego as they are having some bad/cloudy weather. Once you have a location set with "mostly cloudy" conditions, watch how choppy the clouds move when you click on the widget for the forecast. While the clouds are scrolling, open settings by clicking the clock in the lower corner, let it expand, and just wait. Within seconds my screen will start artifacting all over the place.
Also, thanks and thanked!
Have a BCOKA unit purchased in Dec 2011 (received in Jan) and have never experienced any sort of screen artifacts or tearing. BW weather forecast screen has been showing clouds flowing across the screen for 15 minutes now and still going smoothly.
I've never had tearing or artifacts and I have an old Prime (BCOKAS arrive Dec. 27th, 2011).
I did have all the blacks on my screen turn red (search for my thread) and had to RMA for that to get fixed but it turned out to be a hardware problem and Asus replaced my main board. I don't think this is a problemwith all Primes though. Maybe you'll get a better one this time. Good luck man.
The screen tearing is not the Prime's hardware - it's Asus and their incompetence in putting out decent firmwares. I can just about guarantee this is the situation. I had my Prime since launch. It had terrible screen tearing when I first got it. One of their early firmware updates just about completely solved the issue, and it was working great all the way through .21. Then, as soon as I installed the .28 update, the screen tearing and artifacting came back again. So like I said, it's definitely not a faulty prime (hardware wise). I'd suggest either keeping your Prime and waiting for an update that fixes this, or just returning it and getting another tablet.
As for some of the other issues caused by Asus using a garbage LCD, such as LCD mura (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1550530), screen bleeding, and dead/stuck pixels, that's another story.
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That gives me hope, I wonder if i should try replacing the one i have once more. The screen tearing is the only think keeping this from being a perfect pad for me. I get the tearing in androbench, my home screen, weather forecast and even when unlocking my prime. Also, after following your recommendations on improving performance, all i can say is wow, made it a new machine (-minus the screen artifacts that have always been there even on .21.) So, in your opinion, do you think i have a lemon and my problem is specific to my prime and should replace it? or do you think this is a common problem and should just return it?
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I tried your BW test. the animations look and move great on my prime. I let it sit and no screen artifacts turned up. I did see in the options for BW that it said animations were an experimental feature and could cause possible issues. but none on mines though.
as for your situation, I'm not sure. I would say try exchanging again. but I'm starting to think if its maybe an app or combo of apps you have that's causing this. so this happens randomly, no matter what you are doing or app you're using? or is this only occurring when using certain apps or whatever? its kinda sounding like its your apps. did your prime do this immediately out the box brand new? or did this only start occurring after you installed certain apps or Widgets?
just curious, you don't have force gpu on in developer options, do you? that has caused similar issues before.
like previous poster said, I think this is a software issue. which will be solved through an update. maybe even try a manual install of update through Asus website. its a more thorough install.
After .28 I had some of this but none since words with friends put out the update. No doubt a combination of running processes, video drivers and in my case ezoverclock.
Not all Prime have this issue... however, there are enough that DO have this issue.
Just return the device.... don't decide based on what the "future" update will do.. or hopefully will do.
Don't even bother taking a chance.
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I tried your BW test. the animations look and move great on my prime. I let it sit and no screen artifacts turned up. I did see in the options for BW that it said animations were an experimental feature and could cause possible issues. but none on mines though.
as for your situation, I'm not sure. I would say try exchanging again. but I'm starting to think if its maybe an app or combo of apps you have that's causing this. so this happens randomly, no matter what you are doing or app you're using? or is this only occurring when using certain apps or whatever? its kinda sounding like its your apps. did your prime do this immediately out the box brand new? or did this only start occurring after you installed certain apps or Widgets?
just curious, you don't have force gpu on in developer options, do you? that has caused similar issues before.
like previous poster said, I think this is a software issue. which will be solved through an update. maybe even try a manual install of update through Asus website. its a more thorough install.
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Glad you are helping so here are the steps i have taken. I do a lot of research before i post as to limit the amount of time i need to take up. I too thought the app was an incompatibility until i went through the process of removing and formatting my SD card and placing the update zip from ASUS. Booted into what i would call bootloader and factory reset my prime. Once booted, i inserted the sdcard and the went through the upgrade process. Once done i skipped login and allowed the system to settle and then did a hard reboot followed by a soft reboot. I then choose to not restore my apps and only downloaded the BW widget. once opened and set to a location where it was cloudy, clicked the settings launcher and expanded by clicking the clock, which left the animation in the background and within 10- 15 seconds the artifacts became worse and worse. Entire sections of the screen would turn white or green for a split second. I removed the app and downloaded other apps one at a time and found that i would get the same flicker/glitch when using androbench. Also had and issue, when using the gallery, that the screen started scrolling white horizontal lines and slowed to a halt before rebooting. I recently had to travel to San Diego for a week, (poor me) and had my girlfriend go by BB and outright buy another tablet and as i couldn't trust the one i had and figured i would return whichever one worked (Money isn't an issue, just want this prime's display to behave.) Well, as soon as i unboxed it, logged in, allowed it to update, downloaded BW as a test and guess what, same flicker. Granted neither of these had the issues the first two Primes i had to exchange had, when half or most of the screen either went to static or completely quit responding/working.
Now to the interesting part. Both Primes in my possession when i returned home i could test further. I went through the same process of manually wiping, wiping, updating, HB/SB, FR yada yada and only installed the BW app and both Primes behaved the exact same way. As soon as i would expand the recent apps or settings overlay the screen would start to produce odd geometric shapes and would continue every few seconds (the flash is noticeable but quick). Now some good news. The prime i currently have was kept for a few reasons. THE GPS WORKS WELL!!! I have no issues with WIFI, 3/4 bars from70 ft connected to a Cisco 1262. Streaming Netflix with a set of slim JB Bluetooth headsets is a breeze. All of my games (Nova 3, Adrenaline6, Gun Bros, and multiple others play wonderfully and i can honestly say i have never had a game reset/ act funny/ or ANR. My browser would occasionally ANR but it wasn't too bad. The Prime i bought in San Diego would not get a gps signal sitting beside the prime i kept that was getting 10 satellites. Wifi on one prime was -84 in a location that my current prime gets a -66 with a 72Mbps connection. Games would force close on the other prime, Browser would just randomly close. SOD EVERY MORNING. So needless to say i returned it and kept the current one i have. I have tested all i know to test, and no, i don't have force gpu ticked. I have worked with Android for a while and have a Xoom running EOS that doesn't suffer any of the mentioned problems. (one heck of a tablet i might add). But as someone who travels a lot, and the work i do, this can be my laptop replacement.
So all in all i have a tablet that works wonderfully in every area except the fact that it will (at will) artifact/tear using BW animation. It will randomly artifact using Androbench, gallery, camera, quadrant, and both stock launcher and apex pro. Last and notable thing is it seems to do it less if i set the brightness to a static level, say 50%. All of this happens/ bone stock/ root/ no root. Currently running root with your build.prop, the atp app, and sio and this guy is rocking a lot better in the user experience (I/O)
Sorry for the rant, just giving all the info i have. No noob here and wish i could just unlock it and dive into it but cant do it as i don't know if it is hardware.
Thanks for all of the opinions and as soon as my thanking well replenishes i will thank those that i missed!
shinzz said:
Not all Prime have this issue... however, there are enough that DO have this issue.
Just return the device.... don't decide based on what the "future" update will do.. or hopefully will do.
Don't even bother taking a chance.
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Bro, i know you have told me that and my gut says that what i should do as i have kinda been asking this same question in some of the other threads. Thought i would quit hi-jacking and create a post to just see how wide spread this is. I mean dang, i am on my 4th prim in exactly 30 days and only one of them functioned above 75 percent of expected performance. So scared that if i replace it again, i will be out of a 499 tablet as i will likely target practice with it with my 45. lol. Seriously though, i believe you got it right, too many of them have this problem. Sucky thing is i can seem to find an alternative that has what a really want, an S4 krait or a exynos quad and the same docking alternative that the prime has.
So you think there are primes out there that wouldn't have the screen issues i am having? I know i don't think anyone has said they have never experienced it.
Was this a problem when it was on GingerBread?
Thanks,
Like many other ZU owners i'm experiencing phantom touches now and then. My culprit is for example some dirt, like a fingerprint, on the screen. If I clean it the issue is gone for a while.
I'm convinced this is a software issue, and I've read at several places about other users with the same idea.
I've found some tips, like tweaking the touch pressure scale in clearpad idc and the touch filter level in max1187x_pen_0.idc but nothing seems to completely fix the problem.
So, I would like to know if someone made some more digging?
There is one file which loads the touchscreen firmware at boot called pre_hw_config.sh
It loads the touchscreen drivers in /sys/devices/virtual/input
Can we find something here?
The firmware version of the touchscreen drivers can be found at:
/sys/devices/virtual/input/max1187x/few_ver
I'm on:
fw_ver (1.4.13) chip_id (0x75)
config_id (0x0010) customer_info[1:0] (0xFFFF, 0xFFFF)
Are you on a more recent firmware without issues?
If you feel for joining me in the search for a fix please do so,
Thanks
Per
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I had those problems too, but since i removed (it takes a lot of time because it is glued :X) the screenprotector, the problems are gone.
When i used another screenprotector, the isues returned. So now I work on the glass, and have no isues at all.
I don't want to remove this as I think it's glued for a reason.
But if there's no other way to solve the touchscreen issue I might consider it
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fw_ver (1.4.13) chip_id (0x75)
config_id (0x0012) customer_info[1:0] (0xFFFF, 0xFFFF)
Your config_id is 10 while mine's 12.
Can't say I have any serious cases of phantom touching.
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fw_ver (1.4.13) chip_id (0x75)
config_id (0x0012) customer_info[1:0] (0xFFFF, 0xFFFF)
Your config_id is 10 while mine's 12.
Can't say I have any serious cases of phantom touching.
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This is interesting. I suppose we're on the exact same hardware but with different config. If there is any way to upgrade this config I want to know. Will do some searching.
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I get this too. I have to keep my screen really really clean. The false touches tend to be nearer the home button. When it starts to happen I quickly press power/sleep and clean the screen, because it can cause chaos!
I too think it can be tuned in software, because I rarely experienced phantom touches when I first got my XZU on Jellybean 4.2; it started becoming a lot worse and the only reason I can ascribe is the upgrade to Jellybean 4.3.
I only just took the plunge and upgraded to KK/4.4.2, so it will be interesting to see whether it solves the problem.
Hi all,
I just unboxed a new Xperia Z2 Tablet and i've had some trouble with scrolling. I previously had an iPad and currently use a Nexus 5, and i'm used to two things:
1. Scrolling is easy and responsive - ie the screen moves with my finger, which I guess is the point.
2. I tap where I intend to tap, and the app responds according to what i've tapped.
Neither of these are happening with the Z2. I've still got faith. I figure i'm doing something wrong though. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
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Hi all,
I just unboxed a new Xperia Z2 Tablet and i've had some trouble with scrolling. I previously had an iPad and currently use a Nexus 5, and i'm used to two things:
1. Scrolling is easy and responsive - ie the screen moves with my finger, which I guess is the point.
2. I tap where I intend to tap, and the app responds according to what i've tapped.
Neither of these are happening with the Z2. I've still got faith. I figure i'm doing something wrong though. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
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Please update the firmware to the newest one (last characters are .402) and see whether the problems are gone. Earlier firmwares are known to have touchscreen problems.
You can use the Sony PC Companion software for your PC to do the update if the tablet doesn't show availability of an OTA update. Or, if both don't work, flash a FTF from this forum via Flashtool.
i still have this issue even with .402
not sure if i am going to send it back and get money back, not surew how long it will take to fix?
I'm in the same boat. Still not great with the firmware update. Sounds from other threads that there are others looking into it too and Sony aren't helping... Not sure what else to do. Except wait...
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Send it back, accompanied by a peppery letter that Sony's service is abysmal and that you won't buy another Sony device.
Write in the letter that you KNOW that Sony's support employees have an order to deny the existence of the touchscreen problem and that such a behavior is incredibly impudent and the opposite of service.
They must start to know that the customers don't accept certain things, period.
I don't have any of the issues you have mentioned. I'm on. 402 too, I have so many things running and sitting at 900 Mb of free ram with complete zero lag. Still have touch screen issue but it's not as major as before. Probably happens every three days or sometimes just none. have you tried repairing it with Sony update service or Sony pc companion? Try those, and before you do that go to settings / back up and reset and do a factory reset.
If the problem still persist then exchange or refund it.
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I too have the impression that there are less ignored taps when doubletap to wake is disabled
Actually I own z ultra and a z1 compact and a z2 tablet
Ultra: no problem at all
Z2 tablet, leggy, unresponsive. I'm trying to sell it on eBay after 3 weeks
Z1 compact. Near unusable. Too much sensitive.
By by Sony. Returning to apple. Sadly
Hello everyone, I just got this tablet today and I'm having an issue with it. I was trying to play a music game and I noticed that when I touched both extremes of the screen the multitouch would release my fingers for some reason. I've recorded a video of it using a multitouch application just to make sure I wasn't going crazy, here it is:
Link to the Youtube video
Do you think it's defective? If anyone has this M5 10 tablet could you test it for me and see if you also have the same multitouch issue? Since I just got it today, should I return it? Or is it something that can be fixed?
Thank you.
Received mine today from Boulanger in France, i used the same software as you to test it. Everything is working fine, even with 3 or 4 fingers, using the same kind of routine you used. So i suppose that your tablet is faulty. Sorry mate.
RubyRP62 said:
Received mine today from Boulanger in France, i used the same software as you to test it. Everything is working fine, even with 3 or 4 fingers, using the same kind of routine you used. So i suppose that your tablet is faulty. Sorry mate.
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This stuff happens Thanks for testing it out! This one is going back
I have the same problem bro! You can find my post here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3777471
I have already open a ticket on the support
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I have the same issues als well. You can see it very well with the App "Multi touch test" from Spencer Studios.
Has someone more info on this issue as the tablet is useless for me with those touch problems and I will send it back if there is no fix available in the near future.
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I have the same issues als well. You can see it very well with the App "Multi touch test" from Spencer Studios.
Has someone more info on this issue as the tablet is useless for me with those touch problems and I will send it back if there is no fix available in the near future.
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Hi Andrgin, which is your problem? In my case I have the problem only if I touch the screen with two fingers. In this case seems that the tablet, after 2 sec, can't recognize anymore the touch. I'm waiting the response of the support for the ticket that I opened, hopping that they can tell me that is only a software problem and not an hardware issue, let's see...Anyway I have your idea too, I bought this tablet to play music game and is really useless with this problem.
When I touch the screen with 2 fingers at the same time and do not move them for about 1 second the tablets looses the touch of both fingers. It does not happen if I dont put both fingers down at the same time (more than about 500ms), move the fingers around while they touch the screen. Also it does not happen with 3 or more fingers.
To me it seems like the system treats the as a gesture.
I made a video about it:
youtu.be/PXXakOw_1Hk
I also thinks that the system treats this as some kind of a weird gesture. I don't think it is related to the hardware. I'll ask the Huawei support soonish because it really is annoying with cytus 2 for example or even pdfs when you want to pan soon and have 2 fingers on it and then your touch input gets removed.
This is with the 10 pro
Could it be, I hope that you are right but is really strange that only some devices have this problem, if it is a software problem, all the devices with this software need to have the issue.
I think all have this problem. So far everybody that said he does not have this bug had tested it the wrong way. You have to place both fingers at the same time and do not move them. If you move them while touching the screen it still works.
And no I dont think it is hardware related.
I also experienced this (talked about it in another thread), but it must be more complicated than that.
It's not something that systematically happens whenever i put two fingers down a the same time. It works just fine most of the time, but occasionally notes will drop, always in the same spots, in the same songs. "Pointer location" shows the touch is still being registered, if that's anything to be trusted.
I'll take the occasion to ask again since there seem to be other people who play music games in this thread: beside the touchscreen issues, has anyone noticed a slight delay on the audio feedback? I'm talking about a 100-150 ms delay from the moment i touch the screen to the moment the corresponding sound effect plays. The touch itself is registered correctly, but the audio lags behind for some reason.
Either way, i sent back the 10.8", gonna have the 8.4" here by tomorrow i hope, will update on how this one behaves.
It does not matter where you place your fingers only that it happens at the same time (less than about 500ms) and you dont move them for about 1 second.
About audio I dont know. Most time I had sound off.
It may be a general Android Oreo bug, although the article speaks about Android 8.1, not 8.0:
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-8-1-oreo-multi-touch-bug-fixed-june-update/
Maybe Huawei used parts of Android 8.1 for the M5.
A fix from Google is planned for the June security update.
Just tested the 8.4", after installing the new update. Interestingly enough, it didn't seem to drop any inputs.
The sound delay, however, is exactly the same, and it baffles me no one else seems to notice it.
On top of that, i think i got a defective unit, as the charging speed starts off at 3300-3400 mAh, then drops to 500-600, never to rise again. So much for quickcharge.
Battery also seems to run considerably hotter for no apparent reason: 37 degrees Celsius while charging at that pitiful speed, no other apps running.
For reference, the 10.8" never exceeded 32 degrees, and that's while charging at max speed, with apps running at the same time.
Overall, this tablet has been nothing but a huge disappointment, i'll just refund it and wait for something else to come out at this point.
Edit: it charges normally when the screen is turned off. When the screen is on, the charger seems to provide enough current to offset whatever i'm consuming, plus those 500-600 extra mAh, so no matter what i'm doing that speed doesn't change. The 10.8" was charging normally, full speed minus whatever power i was drawing, so i'm still pretty sure something's not right.
@chris_g I really hope it could be the problem but wait two more months it's really frustrating! For now I haven't received yet one answer from the support...
Not really good news from Italian support, them tell me that no reports was received about our problem, so them suggested me to try to reset the device to the default to see if is a software problem. Did you guys found something else? I'm really thinking to request the replace of the device.
Just to be sure, could someone give me the mail of the international/English support? I want to try to write a mail also to them.
Cheers
I got the M5 Pro from amazon.it and the warranty check showed that I get warranty in most European countries. I opened a ticked with the Austrian support providing all the info they needed. They said they dont know of the problem so far and will forward it. This was over 1 week ago and I did not receive any response yet.
Replacing the tablet will not solve anything because every M5 (at least the 10" versions) have this bug.
And no it is not an Oreo bug because my Mate 10 (also EMUI 8.0) works fine. I guess it is some code Huawei added to support the pen.
Firmware Finder already shows a EMUI 8.1, but it is not approved for installation yet. I guess we will get Oreo 8.1 in a few weeks/months and this bug will hopefully be fixed in the new version.
andrgin said:
Firmware Finder already shows a EMUI 8.1, but it is not approved for installation yet. I guess we will get Oreo 8.1 in a few weeks/months and this bug will hopefully be fixed in the new version.
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Don't be so optimistic on that one, as Google themselves introduced an all new multi-touch bug in the 8.1 base. Thus one bug will maybe just be replaced by another one, as Google already stated that they'll have the bug fixed in the June update soonest. Let's hope Huawei uses the patched June base to upgrade our tablet to 8.1.
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Huawei already ships Android 8.1 with the P20 so I guess we are getting the same code. I never heard about multi touch problems there so I guess Huawei has already replaced that faulty Google code. With all the people complaining about late Android updates for existing devices, but there is a reason most vendors wait until they release a new Android version for the masses. Google phones are simply beta test devices.
I have the 8.4" wifi model. It suffers the multi-touch problem but not the sound delay problem. I tried the drum pad app, sounds play instantly as soon as I touch them.
I come from a Nvidia Shield K1, which i was able to get a full refund on due to screen burn-in, basically upgrading to the 10.8 LTE version for 150E. Amazing deal, right? Not quite.
I mostly play rythm games on Android, and, as it turns out, this tablet seems to have serious compatibility issues with them. Playing around with the timing settings only goes so far, as there seems to be a constant delay between my inputs and their audio feedback, which, as you can imagine, inevitably throws me off when things get hectic.
In addition to that, certain notes in certain songs will ALWAYS drop, no matter what. I activated the touch screen visual feedback in developers options, so i'm 100% sure the physical tap isn't being dropped. As in, the tablet is still registering the touch, but the app for some reason "thinks" i lifted my fingers. Multitouch test also shows no issues, up to 10 simultaneous, swiping taps are registered and maintained for 30+ seconds with no fail.
On to my second point, is the color fidelity supposed to be good on this tablet? It seems to me that the "Vivid" setting oversaturates colors, especially in the red spectrum, while the absence of it makes everything look washed out. Ultimately, i couldn't find a setting i was happy with, so i did some research, and found out that most tablets include a sRGB option, since apparently android apps can't handle color accuracy well. This tablet has such option, but guess what, everytime i try to turn it on, it turns itself back off as soon as i touch any other setting or change menu. I'm not sure whether, were it working, this option would fix the colors in a way that satisfies me, but at least i'd like to try.
Did anyone else experience these issues, and can they eventually be fixed somehow? I honestly love the general look and feel of this tablet, but i'll reluctantly send it back if not, as they're a dealbreaker for me.
Regarding the audio issue, i did a side by side comparison with the Shield K1, pressing the same button in the same app, at the same time.
The M5 would sistematically lag behind by what i'd estimate between 100 and 150 milliseconds. This seems to happen in every app i downloaded from the playstore, but video playback of any kind isn't affected.
I didn't really notice at first, but now, knowing it's there makes it very noticeable, and everything feels sluggish. Could someone be so kind as to test this on their device? Maybe i just got a defective unit, but i highly doubt it.
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Regarding the audio issue, i did a side by side comparison with the Shield K1, pressing the same button in the same app, at the same time.
The M5 would sistematically lag behind by what i'd estimate between 100 and 150 milliseconds. This seems to happen in every app i downloaded from the playstore, but video playback of any kind isn't affected.
I didn't really notice at first, but now, knowing it's there makes it very noticeable, and everything feels sluggish. Could someone be so kind as to test this on their device? Maybe i just got a defective unit, but i highly doubt it.
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Which Android Version is the shield tablet running!?
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7.0, with January 2018 security patch. When i got it, it was running 6.0, never had this issue with it through several updates.
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7.0, with January 2018 security patch. When i got it, it was running 6.0, never had this issue with it through several updates.
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OK so I've none of the issues described, but am running the M5 Pro version in my end. Can't comment on the standard variant though.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
OK so I've none of the issues described, but am running the M5 Pro version in my end. Can't comment on the standard variant though.
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Thank you for taking the time to test. I'll have another one sent within 2 days, let's hope it was just a weird fault, though i still doubt it. I will update when it gets here.
Edit: changed my mind and went for the refund instead, will most likely give the 8.4" a shot next.
Where did you order your tablet from?
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Where did you order your tablet from?
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Amazon, no way i'm buying iffy stuff like this anywhere else.
Just found these articles:
https://www.xda-developers.com/report-android-oreo-audio-latency/
https://www.androidcentral.com/nvid...ings-professional-audio-enhancements-and-more
At least now i'm sure i'm not crazy.