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For those not interested in a good read, here is the condensed version
According to the opinion of many fellow Android members,
Hero > Moment
Evo > Epic
E3D ? SSG2
I think: E3D > SSG2
Trust history, not reviews focused on one single "bonus" feature provided by a company.
For those who do want to kill time
Well folks, as most of you have witnessed, we the customers of Sprint have once again found ourselves in a predicament. On one hand, we have the brand new HTC Evo 3d and on the other we have the SSGS2/Photon/non-E3D phone. And as it stands, people have been negatively criticizing the E3D for a multitude of reasons, primarily its 3D effect. As long winded as this introduction is, there is a point to it. For the past couple years now we have faced a decision of whether or not to get an HTC device or a Sammy device. Now granted the GS2 isn't released or announced, but we know its coming. What I am trying to say is that we are running the same race we have before despite the fact that history has shown us the right path twice.
Q4 2009
We have the HTC Hero and the Samsung Moment
Now the Hero is running on a 528mhz processor as old as the G1 itself while the sammy moment is running an 800mhz processor. The Hero has a TFT-LCD display with 65k colors, while the moment has an AMOLED display with 16 million colors.
Reading off this spec sheet, the moment is clearly the winner, BUT, real world testing proved otherwise, and the majority of people here would agree that the Hero was superior to the Moment. All hail HTC right? Maybe not.....
Q2/Q3 2010
The newly released HTC EVO, first 4G phone in the world is pitted against the Sammy Moment's younger and vengeful sibling.
The Evo is running on a 1ghz Snapdragon processor that is unfortunately "old" at this point being built off as 65nm process while the new Epic is touting a 1ghz Hummingbird SOC with a 45nm process. (For the record, i'm no expert but the 45nm > 65nm for battery drain and what not) Coupled with a new and improved SuperAMOLED display, the time has come for sammy to take the cake! Or has it? As real world testing progressed, the evo turned out to be the phone to beat, and the Epic had to be satisfied with filling the qwerty hardware keyboard niche.
But now, we face a new dilemma
Q2-Q? 2011
We have the HTC EVO 3D, a phone built by HTC. Despite past trends, HTC has built this phone with bleeding edge technology including a dual core 1.2ghz processor, 1gb of ram, a 950x540 SLCD display and the latest version of sense. But, the SSG2 (Within for Sprint) has come out with a newly designed SuperAMOLED+ display which uses the good old RBG color pattern along with the latest version of TouchWiz and a new processor built off a cortex A9 design. This battle between superphones has yet to be decided, but if we take a look at history, we see that HTC has tended to beat sammy with outdated hardware.
EDIT: The SSG2 does 1080p recording and the E3D only does 720p (big for some people, didn't want to omit that)
Past this point is bais towards HTC, and non-HTC affiliates/people who might feel inclined to troll should stop
So in conclusion, please don't read the SSG2 spec sheet and jizz all over it because it looks amazing. Trust history and go with the phone maker who has unanimously come out on top. While benchmarks are nice little scores to compare, they are just that, scores to compare. In terms of real world performance, both of the HTC phones provided a better overall experience for me.
Agreed iv loved the 3 HTC phones iv had
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jxr94 said:
For those not interested in a good read, here is the condensed version
According to the opinion of many fellow Android members,
Hero > Moment
Evo > Epic
E3D ? SSG2
I think: E3D > SSG2
Trust history, not reviews focused on one single "bonus" feature provided by a company.
For those who do want to kill time
Well folks, as most of you have witnessed, we the customers of Sprint have once again found ourselves in a predicament. On one hand, we have the brand new HTC Evo 3d and on the other we have the SSGS2/Photon/non-E3D phone. And as it stands, people have been negatively criticizing the E3D for a multitude of reasons, primarily its 3D effect. As long winded as this introduction is, there is a point to it. For the past couple years now we have faced a decision of whether or not to get an HTC device or a Sammy device. Now granted the GS2 isn't released or announced, but we know its coming. What I am trying to say is that we are running the same race we have before despite the fact that history has shown us the right path twice.
Q4 2009
We have the HTC Hero and the Samsung Moment
Now the Hero is running on a 528mhz processor as old as the G1 itself while the sammy moment is running an 800mhz processor. The Hero has a TFT-LCD display with 65k colors, while the moment has an AMOLED display with 16 million colors.
Reading off this spec sheet, the moment is clearly the winner, BUT, real world testing proved otherwise, and the majority of people here would agree that the Hero was superior to the Moment. All hail HTC right? Maybe not.....
Q2/Q3 2010
The newly released HTC EVO, first 4G phone in the world is pitted against the Sammy Moment's younger and vengeful sibling.
The Evo is running on a 1ghz Snapdragon processor that is unfortunately "old" at this point being built off as 65nm process while the new Epic is touting a 1ghz Hummingbird SOC with a 45nm process. (For the record, i'm no expert but the 45nm > 65nm for battery drain and what not) Coupled with a new and improved SuperAMOLED display, the time has come for sammy to take the cake! Or has it? As real world testing progressed, the evo turned out to be the phone to beat, and the Epic had to be satisfied with filling the qwerty hardware keyboard niche.
But now, we face a new dilemma
Q2-Q? 2011
We have the HTC EVO 3D, a phone built by HTC. Despite past trends, HTC has built this phone with bleeding edge technology including a dual core 1.2ghz processor, 1gb of ram, a 950x540 SLCD display and the latest version of sense. But, the SSG2 (Within for Sprint) has come out with a newly designed SuperAMOLED+ display which uses the good old RBG color pattern along with the latest version of TouchWiz and a new processor built off a cortex A9 design. This battle between superphones has yet to be decided, but if we take a look at history, we see that HTC has tended to beat sammy with outdated hardware.
Past this point is bais towards HTC, and non-HTC affiliates/people who might feel inclined to troll should stop
So in conclusion, please don't read the SSG2 spec sheet and jizz all over it because it looks amazing. Trust history and go with the phone maker who has unanimously come out on top. While benchmarks are nice little scores to compare, they are just that, scores to compare. In terms of real world performance, both of the HTC phones provided a better overall experience for me.
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ahh such a breath of fresh air from all the trolls. . . lol yes and i am trusting HTC history thats why I am picking mine up next week
Well thought out post. I think the Evo 3D will be the phone to beat this summer. I think the GS2's screen, camera, and battery life will be superior. However, I think the Evo 3D will performance-wise be on par, it will get faster official updates from HTC/Sprint (just look at how fast the Evo got official updates to Froyo and Gingerbread), and it will have better dev support.
I too have loved my HTC devices.
Someone had some time on their hands, good write up though.
The point i have been.making all year when.people want to talk about specs, you just put in a nice detailed post. Thanks.
Good to rehash the past. The Hero has been amazing for what little went into it and while I have never owned a Evo, it is still running with the best of them. Can't imagine that the Evo3d will be any different. Top notch specs and a hope of full root. Loving the thought of running CyanogenMod on this thing or a trimmed down Sense 3.0/
i think gingerbread has messed up sprints signal
something i should point out: this is the first year that HTC's main competitor by Sammy drops (or it seems) to drop the keyboard. So its two slate phones duking it out, and also the Galaxy S line built up a name for itself as well
Not trolling or anything, but this year it should be that much more interesting since things balance out better
The Galaxy S 2 is a much sexier phone, and probably even nicer when it comes down to the hardware but for those of us that love AOSP, its a deal breaker on the Sammy.
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something i should point out: this is the first year that HTC's main competitor by Sammy drops (or it seems) to drop the keyboard. So its two slate phones duking it out, and also the Galaxy S line built up a name for itself as well
Not trolling or anything, but this year it should be that much more interesting since things balance out better
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Good point! It would seem hardware keyboards are almost obselete at this point.
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The Galaxy S 2 is a much sexier phone, and probably even nicer when it comes down to the hardware but for those of us that love AOSP, its a deal breaker on the Sammy.
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not quite bro.
Sammy personally sent the CM7 development team a free GS2 for them to work their magic. If anyone gets Cyanogen, its the GS2 (as weird as it is to say it)
but HTC is a sure thing also when the bootloader is unlocked
Another reason I believe the Evo3D will be the phone to beat(and don't kill me here AOSP people): Sense 3.0. Sense, IMO, is the best and most complete UI available for Android...definitely something to keep in mind.
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Another reason I believe the Evo3D will be the phone to beat(and don't kill me here AOSP people): Sense 3.0. Sense, IMO, is the best and most complete UI available for Android...definitely something to keep in mind.
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^^^ this
i dunno why so many people want it gone...
IMHO we should work on making even better and faster while maintaining the beauty that is Sense!!! but thats just me
AOSP while fast as is, is bland
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Another reason I believe the Evo3D will be the phone to beat(and don't kill me here AOSP people): Sense 3.0. Sense, IMO, is the best and most complete UI available for Android...definitely something to keep in mind.
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we all know e3d will have a bootloader unlocked at some point, so will sammy.
wonder about having a bootloader unlocked is e3d owners can pick either to have a sense rom or aosp. With a sammy you have a choice with touchwiz or aosp. Aosp lovers can use either phone but people who prefer a skinned version of android the choice isn't as easy.
I admit I'm an HTC fanboy. I just will not buy a gs2 and half the reason is the fact that Samsung makes it and not HTC. With that said I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of getting one nor if someone asked me my opinion on it I wouldn't bash it. Truth is the phone is a beast. The differences people are arguing are really so small and people are acting like its the difference between a Hero and an Evo.
OMG my phone can open up this game 0.25 seconds faster than yours!!!!!
Seriously unless you did a side by side test does it matter which phone?
Hopefully dual booting will gget figured out soon. CM7 + Sense 3.0 would be awesome.
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I admit I'm an HTC fanboy. I just will not buy a gs2 and half the reason is the fact that Samsung makes it and not HTC. With that said I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of getting one nor if someone asked me my opinion on it I wouldn't bash it. Truth is the phone is a beast. The differences people are arguing are really so small and people are acting like its the difference between a Hero and an Evo.
OMG my phone can open up this game 0.25 seconds faster than yours!!!!!
Seriously unless you did a side by side test does it matter which phone?
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My words exactly
Thank you, OP! Great post! The Moment really sucked some serious ass
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Hopefully dual booting will gget figured out soon. CM7 + Sense 3.0 would be awesome.
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This my friend would be AWESOME!!!!
Alright, I am not here to discuss the hardware of the HTC Amaze. I am in the workings of getting a new phone obviously my choices lay between the Amaze and Galaxy S2. I have had an android phone since the G1 and now have the G2. My question (and I am not hating) even though this phone is in the early stages of its lifecycle, do you guys think that the dev support for this phone will be like it is for the G2?
I realize the hard work the devs are doing for this phone (xboarder) and like, I appreciate all the work they do, cause without them we would have nothing. If I knew half the things you guys do about the android file system I am just wondering what the possibilites are?
Please no flaming or trolling, very disrespectful.
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Alright, I am not here to discuss the hardware of the HTC Amaze. I am in the workings of getting a new phone obviously my choices lay between the Amaze and Galaxy S2. I have had an android phone since the G1 and now have the G2. My question (and I am not hating) even though this phone is in the early stages of its lifecycle, do you guys think that the dev support for this phone will be like it is for the G2?
I realize the hard work the devs are doing for this phone (xboarder) and like, I appreciate all the work they do, cause without them we would have nothing. If I knew half the things you guys do about the android file system I am just wondering what the possibilites are?
Please no flaming or trolling, very disrespectful.
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I think that most members around here would agree that the devs are waiting for ICS to be released for the Amaze before they start doing some hardcore stuff.
The ROMs are here, don't get me wrong but we only have about 3 or 4 devs by my count that are pushing out all those ROMs.
Xboarder himself has got like 4 to 5 that he already has out or is working on.
I'd like to believe that when ICS hits we would draw other devs.
Although that's not a for sure thing.
Either way, having it announced that ICS WILL come to the Amaze is enough of a reason to pick it up as your first choice, right?
To sum it all up we're waiting for ICS and true S-Off.
I'm sure with those two things in hand ROMs will take off.
Hope that helps.
I totally agree on the count of ICS, a lot of the devices are going through the same "dry spell." It does help, it nice to have a little reassurance, you know?
Thanks
The Amaze has great dev support (albeit from one, but he's awesome) but I don't think it'll be anything like the G2 was. The G2 had two main things going for it: first, it was a stock Android experience. Second, Steve Kondik (cyanogen) had told many people that he was going to be using the device as a daily driver. So many devs flocked his way. Let's just say the only reason I have the Amaze right now is because my G2 stopped working and I didn't know where to get another one. It was all the phone I needed at the time, and was trying to hold out for the Nexus.
I think the GS2 has better support for now, but that should change once ICS drops. If you really want a ton of development support, I say go for the Nexus. Me, I'm happy with the Amaze and QuickSense!
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The Amaze has great dev support (albeit from one, but he's awesome) but I don't think it'll be anything like the G2 was. The G2 had two main things going for it: first, it was a stock Android experience. Second, Steve Kondik (cyanogen) had told many people that he was going to be using the device as a daily driver. So many devs flocked his way. Let's just say the only reason I have the Amaze right now is because my G2 stopped working and I didn't know where to get another one. It was all the phone I needed at the time, and was trying to hold out for the Nexus.
I think the GS2 has better support for now, but that should change once ICS drops. If you really want a ton of development support, I say go for the Nexus. Me, I'm happy with the Amaze and QuickSense!
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Good point, I wish I could wait for the Nexas, but I am selling my G2 to a family member and I told them I would this month. <-Dilemma
What made you choose the Amaze, if you don't mind me asking? I love my HTC phones, it would be different having a Samsung.
I made the same lineage, g1 to g2. And tbh I couldn't imagine using a phone that isn't htc (quality wise), I know the dev'ing will never be @ the g2 level, but we have some awesome devs and a strong device with promise of ics.
The zero lag shutter and unified sense 3.0 ui was an easy sell for me. If Samsung had produced the all white ver. sans that terrible touch wiz at the time of my purchase I might have made a different choice.
DarkPyroGuy 09 said:
Good point, I wish I could wait for the Nexas, but I am selling my G2 to a family member and I told them I would this month. <-Dilemma
What made you choose the Amaze, if you don't mind me asking? I love my HTC phones, it would be different having a Samsung.
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It compared them side by side in the store and for all the hype of the SAMOLED+ screen, it kinda reminded me of the original iPhone - less pixels stretched over a bigger screen. The Amaze looked great. PPI is where it's at!
I would rather have had the Samsung from a development standpoint (no locked bootloader and such) but the screen in the GS2 sucked balls.
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It compared them side by side in the store and for all the hype of the SAMOLED+ screen, it kinda reminded me of the original iPhone - less pixels stretched over a bigger screen. The Amaze looked great. PPI is where it's at!
I would rather have had the Samsung from a development standpoint (no locked bootloader and such) but the screen in the GS2 sucked balls.
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^agreed on both counts^
Which is why I'm still considering the Nexus... no locked bootloader BS and it has an even higher PPI than the Amaze (over 300 vs ~250). The best of both worlds!
I for one believe development is doing great for the lack of open sources. The thing is that the amaze is really great straight out of the box that little development actual needs to be done except we all want custom kernels which would help our battery life and heck make it even smoother.
A lot of other phones development section has a lot of support but not all the roms and kernels being developed are being used, so you shouldn't compare and say since some phones has a lot of roms it has better support. I for one want quality over quantity.
But honestly once things are fully released for the amaze, developers will come. However, not many would want to compile a ROM or kernel from scratch like x and faux are working on. remember this phone is barely 2 months old. You'll see a huge expansion by January.
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F033x said:
I made the same lineage, g1 to g2. And tbh I couldn't imagine using a phone that isn't htc (quality wise), I know the dev'ing will never be @ the g2 level, but we have some awesome devs and a strong device with promise of ics.
The zero lag shutter and unified sense 3.0 ui was an easy sell for me. If Samsung had produced the all white ver. sans that terrible touch wiz at the time of my purchase I might have made a different choice.
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Can't you just install Launcher Pro (or similar)? That should replace Touchwiz.
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Can't you just install Launcher Pro (or similar)? That should replace Touchwiz.
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TouchWiz and Sense both are throughout the entire OS. Replacing the launcher only really fixes the homescreen.
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TouchWiz and Sense both are throughout the entire OS. Replacing the launcher only really fixes the homescreen.
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Ah. I thought the problem was with the homescreen arrangement. I acutally like the Sense enhancements like the extra widgets & etc.
Last month I was forced to decide between an Amaze and a Galaxy S2.
I also had a G1 and a G2. I used the vibrant for a while but i preferred my G2 mainly b/c of the keyboard. I played with the Amaze and the S2. I preferred the amaze because i would choose sense over touchwiz. And what really drew me to the amaze was the qHD resolution. If the s2 had a qHD resolution, i think i'd still be deciding what i want. Hope this helps
samsung devices beat htc devices and market of htc yyy?
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samsung devices beat htc devices and market of htc yyy?
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Was it necessary to create a new thread just to ask this??? Don't we have enough pointless threads already?
If you are referring to "Beats Audio" and trying to be clever in title, then Samsungs sound is amazing and much better than my Sensation XE
or If you are asking why samsung is better than HTC heres my opinion.
HTC do nice premium devices (as from 3 years ago), materials etc feel expensive and very premium. However being with HTC for the last 10 years, they always fail on software on performance and I have always needed to root them and put a ROM on them to make it better. I do like Sense though.
However as this is my first samsung smartphone I can only say they case is nice not as premium feel as HTC but the software is very good, the phone is responsive and the interface is quick and nice.
Are we talking about Beats Audio or Samsung just being better than HTC?
I've been an HTC customer for years, way before Android when they were making iPaq devices. I like(d) HTC so my first Android phone was an HTC but I think they're just having trouble competing properly because the hoi polloi don't know the name, so HTC undercut competitors and sacrifice on build quality.
Almost everyone I know has an iPhone or Blackberry. They scoff at "that HTC thing" I had, they think Android is the poor man's smartphone. The majority of people like to copy others when they don't understand the choices available to them so they naturally go with Apple, Blackberry and the more adventurous ones who are willing to try Android will opt for Samsung, Sony and Motorola.
I picked Samsung this time based on spec and my perception of HTC failing to build functional, reliable devices.
My eXperience about htc n samsung.
I had got htc sensation after using battery is horrible
.sound quality is horrible.very low sound.Then sold out after 1 day.
Then got samsung s2 .with this i m satisfied.
After some days i got htc sensation xe .i feel same thing sould quality not so much good as samsung.battery is horrible.i sold out then got s2 white .at third time i didnot buy one x .coz i knw iit is useless for me now i got s3 n m satisfied
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If you are referring to "Beats Audio" and trying to be clever in title, then Samsungs sound is amazing and much better than my Sensation XE
or If you are asking why samsung is better than HTC heres my opinion.
HTC do nice premium devices (as from 3 years ago), materials etc feel expensive and very premium. However being with HTC for the last 10 years, they always fail on software on performance and I have always needed to root them and put a ROM on them to make it better. I do like Sense though.
However as this is my first samsung smartphone I can only say they case is nice not as premium feel as HTC but the software is very good, the phone is responsive and the interface is quick and nice.
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Same can be said for Samsung mate. I've had GS1 for two years and we also had a GS2 too. I wasted so much of my life flashing so many betas, rc's, finals on those two devices.... And we all know why.. **** stock roms with performance to match. All I ever wanted was a sense Rom. Never happened.
Tried a GS3 and One X and kept the One X. All Virgin stock and working so well. No need to flash a thing. No more titanium backups failing. No more bootloops. And. Got my life back.
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I'm a Samsung Man (TV DVD wise). My first Samsung phones are the S series. I love them truly awesome phones i want for nothing with them..
But i got to say i'm so proud of HTC and their One X phone. It's their first true brand phone that sits above all their others for the first time. When you want the best from HTC, you now know it's the One X. In the past i couldn't tell you what their hero phone was.
HTC makes great phones, but they lost their edge. On my next device, I don't want to do a htcdev bootloader unlock, nor do I want to wait around for my phone to die. Since, I can't do a battery pull because of the built-in batteries. When it comes to Android it is either Samsung or HTC. Sense was fun, Touchwiz sounds like fun. Besides there's even going to be some new development taking place on the Sprint/possibly Verizon CDMA sides.
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I almost got myself the One X... such a great phone untill... I noticed the BEATS (Tm)
I immediately went for the S3.. as I don't want overpriced logo c*** on the back of my phone
I'm a user of HTC. Used to use HTC Hero, now - Sensation. Their smartphones has many software bugs. The percentage of hardware bugs is very high. Though their repairing service is ****. They can repair your phone for months...
They will cancel your guarantee because of root automatically (htcdevs). In the same time the smartphones' quality is very poor, the telephones can be cracked from time to time. And not-warranty repairing can cost you the price of a new phone.
The antenna and sound are awful at all HTCs beginning from Sensation. And finally their battery is a piece of ****. Now it's built-in, so can not be replaced by 3rd party one.
NEVER buy HTC smartphones.
I live in Australia and we have UMTS 850 and 2100 so I can use the DNA, J Butterfly or International Butterfly, however I notice all of the developer support going out to the DNA and not the Butterfly. Will the same development work on both, for example kernel and ROM? The support already looks slow enough as it is, let alone none at all if I choose the wrong model! I wonder why there is no Butterfly sub section?
Is development always this slow for this phone or is it because it is a new device?
Depends on a lot of things.
Butterfly is not getting wide spread international release like most HTC phones do just yet. There is big question mark if it ever will. With their financial troubles and pulling out of many markets, they might skip widespread Butterfly launch and just go with M7 global launch.
Either way, DNA makes more sense at this point. Even if Butterfly releases widely internationally, the phone shares almost everything except modem with DNA. So any ROM that is released for Butterfly can and will be easily ported to DNA. If not the one that works for Verizon, then the one like Virtuous DNA+ which is dedicated ROM for 3G HSPA users like you and me.
So getting DNA makes more sense as it is global phone. So you have 2 development channels open. Easy ports of Butterfly ROMs and dedicated DNA development. I am sure most developers who will work on Butterfly in future will release simple port for DNA as it will increase their popularity and they will get more donations with minimal efforts.
And at the moment DNA is getting more development as you said as it released in the US as the only 1080P phone early.
Win win for DNA owners.
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Depends on a lot of things.
Butterfly is not getting wide spread international release like most HTC phones do just yet. There is big question mark if it ever will. With their financial troubles and pulling out of many markets, they might skip widespread Butterfly launch and just go with M7 global launch.
Either way, DNA makes more sense at this point. Even if Butterfly releases widely internationally, the phone shares almost everything except modem with DNA. So any ROM that is released for Butterfly can and will be easily ported to DNA. If not the one that works for Verizon, then the one like Virtuous DNA+ which is dedicated ROM for 3G HSPA users like you and me.
So getting DNA makes more sense as it is global phone. So you have 2 development channels open. Easy ports of Butterfly ROMs and dedicated DNA development. I am sure most developers who will work on Butterfly in future will release simple port for DNA as it will increase their popularity and they will get more donations with minimal efforts.
And at the moment DNA is getting more development as you said as it released in the US as the only 1080P phone early.
Win win for DNA owners.
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Thanks for that. I was at my local shops today about to purchase the Note 2, however it is too much like my last 3 phones SGS 1,2,3 and it was very uncomfortable to handle due to the nature of it's size. I was then looking at the Nexus 4 online and now the Droid DNA. I am having a hard time deciding on 1. I am blown away by all of the development for Nexus 4 and the front bezel looks sexy!. It is really sad to see little developers for DNA! - I am not used to little support, coming from a Samsung. I know for certain if the DNA threads were busier I would not hesitate to choose it over the Nexus 4.
the DNA is as wide as the S3 and taller, if you haven't compared the two yet
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the DNA is as wide as the S3 and taller, if you haven't compared the two yet
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I don't mind the size of my S3, however I wanted to try something away from Samsung now. I have been using them since Eclair. Like I said above, the only reason I am hesitant with this device now is it doesn't look to be flourishing in the development community!
I think HTC has become a little bit suspect over the last couple of years and that also worries me. I have owned a HTC Touch Diamond and a H2 (which I converted from windows to Android) and both of these phones overall weren't impressive to me at all. I just really hope if I buy a DNA/Butterfly, I won't regret it or be disappointed. Was anybody else on the fence with this device? if so what do you think now?
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I don't mind the size of my S3, however I wanted to try something away from Samsung now. I have been using them since Eclair. Like I said above, the only reason I am hesitant with this device now is it doesn't look to be flourishing in the development community!
I think HTC has become a little bit suspect over the last couple of years and that also worries me. I have owned a HTC Touch Diamond and a H2 (which I converted from windows to Android) and both of these phones overall weren't impressive to me at all. I just really hope if I buy a DNA/Butterfly, I won't regret it or be disappointed. Was anybody else on the fence with this device? if so what do you think now?
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Well that is tricky one to be honest.
I have give more than fair chance to HTC over last few years. I had Hero, Desire, HD2, Sensation, Sensation XL and One X before DNA.
The One X I ditched purely out of frustration. It received fair share of development, but even lot of developers themselves were frustrated with S-ON and Tegra 3.
The S-ON blasphemy still lives on till today and that is the biggest caveat I have against HTC and same is the case with lot of developers. They just loathe the fact that you have to go through HTC DEV to unlock bootloader and S-ON putting extra restriction on them and one more step for end users to remember and make sure they dont mess up while flashing custom kernels and rolling back to stock.
The only reason I am even giving chance to DNA is purely because of Hardware. I am not a big fan of Sense either. But it can be refreshing for a while. I went to One X after using 2 back to back Samsung TWUI phones, and for a while it was great to use something else. In long run though that beautiful piece of hardware was nothing but disappointment. But I hope DNA is different. Even if it does not get as much development as Samsung, couple of key devs can make a lot of difference.
I just wish they do come here. We already have few good ones. But their interest needs to last.
In the end you can always ebay the phone if you take care of it properly (cosmetically) and recover large portion of your investment. Specially high end little exclusive device like DNA which is not easily accessible outside US is in great demand outside US.
DNA will never get as much developer support as Nexus 4. Its not happening, neither will it match Note 2 or SGS3 or upcoming SGS 4 for that matter. What we need is just enough developer involvement to address some critical issues or add some really beneficial features to a phone with stunning hardware. This time the hardware is all there. We just need little bit of development. I for one was willing to take that risk when I jumped in. If it works out, well and good. Or it hits ebay in month or two.
Usually it will take couple of months after device launch for developer section to start buzzing on the exclusive devices like DNA.
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Well that is tricky one to be honest.
I have give more than fair chance to HTC over last few years. I had Hero, Desire, HD2, Sensation, Sensation XL and One X before DNA.
The One X I ditched purely out of frustration. It received fair share of development, but even lot of developers themselves were frustrated with S-ON and Tegra 3.
The S-ON blasphemy still lives on till today and that is the biggest caveat I have against HTC and same is the case with lot of developers. They just loathe the fact that you have to go through HTC DEV to unlock bootloader and S-ON putting extra restriction on them and one more step for end users to remember and make sure they dont mess up while flashing custom kernels and rolling back to stock.
The only reason I am even giving chance to DNA is purely because of Hardware. I am not a big fan of Sense either. But it can be refreshing for a while. I went to One X after using 2 back to back Samsung TWUI phones, and for a while it was great to use something else. In long run though that beautiful piece of hardware was nothing but disappointment. But I hope DNA is different. Even if it does not get as much development as Samsung, couple of key devs can make a lot of difference.
I just wish they do come here. We already have few good ones. But their interest needs to last.
In the end you can always ebay the phone if you take care of it properly (cosmetically) and recover large portion of your investment. Specially high end little exclusive device like DNA which is not easily accessible outside US is in great demand outside US.
DNA will never get as much developer support as Nexus 4. Its not happening, neither will it match Note 2 or SGS3 or upcoming SGS 4 for that matter. What we need is just enough developer involvement to address some critical issues or add some really beneficial features to a phone with stunning hardware. This time the hardware is all there. We just need little bit of development. I for one was willing to take that risk when I jumped in. If it works out, well and good. Or it hits ebay in month or two.
Usually it will take couple of months after device launch for developer section to start buzzing on the exclusive devices like DNA.
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You raise some very good points. If the Nexus 4 had the same screen, I would not be typing this message. Thanks for your advice! Have you received the phone yet, if so how do you like it? - I understand that Samsung will win with development at this stage and it will take some time for HTC to gain back their audience. I just really hope for the same things you do with development!
I use a DNA on Telstra, am really enjoying it. Once you strip it down and cull the bloat, it goes well. Data on NextG works fine. I got MMS going with a few tricks, too. Happy to help if you decide to take the plunge!
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You raise some very good points. If the Nexus 4 had the same screen, I would not be typing this message. Thanks for your advice! Have you received the phone yet, if so how do you like it? - I understand that Samsung will win with development at this stage and it will take some time for HTC to gain back their audience. I just really hope for the same things you do with development!
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Yes, I got phone few days ago. Been using it for a week or so now. Havent yet completely switched to it due to busy schedule so I can transfer all my data and files to this phone yet but using it daily as secondary phone for now.
I like the phone, the screen, the overall feel. Wish sense animation was little bit faster. Phone flies in apps which is to be expected thanks to the hardware, but sense feels slower than TWUI or AOSP UI. HTC has opted for that smooth transition effect which actually feels slower on such fast device. I am so used to Note 2 flying through home pages and app drawer that this will take some time getting used to. But there is very little wrong with the phone for day to day use.
I actually wish we get good stable and fast AOSP /AOKP release for this phone so I can switch to it. Simply switching launcher does not seem to give the desired effect on this phone.
But it is far from total disappointment. In fact it is good experience so far. Just want it to get little better :good:
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I use a DNA on Telstra, am really enjoying it. Once you strip it down and cull the bloat, it goes well. Data on NextG works fine. I got MMS going with a few tricks, too. Happy to help if you decide to take the plunge!
Justin
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Thanks for the response mate. I appreciate the help. Why do you need to do anything to get working MMS?
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Yes, I got phone few days ago. Been using it for a week or so now. Havent yet completely switched to it due to busy schedule so I can transfer all my data and files to this phone yet but using it daily as secondary phone for now.
I like the phone, the screen, the overall feel. Wish sense animation was little bit faster. Phone flies in apps which is to be expected thanks to the hardware, but sense feels slower than TWUI or AOSP UI. HTC has opted for that smooth transition effect which actually feels slower on such fast device. I am so used to Note 2 flying through home pages and app drawer that this will take some time getting used to. But there is very little wrong with the phone for day to day use.
I actually wish we get good stable and fast AOSP /AOKP release for this phone so I can switch to it. Simply switching launcher does not seem to give the desired effect on this phone.
But it is far from total disappointment. In fact it is good experience so far. Just want it to get little better :good:
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Oh cool you have both phones then? The Note 2 is just a little bit too big for me. How do the screens compare to you? Anything else you might add you like or dislike about the 2 devices mate?
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Yes, I got phone few days ago. Been using it for a week or so now. Havent yet completely switched to it due to busy schedule so I can transfer all my data and files to this phone yet but using it daily as secondary phone for now.
I like the phone, the screen, the overall feel. Wish sense animation was little bit faster. Phone flies in apps which is to be expected thanks to the hardware, but sense feels slower than TWUI or AOSP UI. HTC has opted for that smooth transition effect which actually feels slower on such fast device. I am so used to Note 2 flying through home pages and app drawer that this will take some time getting used to. But there is very little wrong with the phone for day to day use.
I actually wish we get good stable and fast AOSP /AOKP release for this phone so I can switch to it. Simply switching launcher does not seem to give the desired effect on this phone.
But it is far from total disappointment. In fact it is good experience so far. Just want it to get little better :good:
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If you go into the advanced development settings menu, you can raise the animation speed from 1 to .5 and it makes it more like TW animation speed. :good:
MMS doesn't work outside VZV unless you edit a few things in the build.prop (they blacklisted the 'mms' APN). To do this, you need a kernel with /system write available, so your changes stick after a reboot. You also need to use a third-party messaging app like Go SMS Pro or something.
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MMS doesn't work outside VZV unless you edit a few things in the build.prop (they blacklisted the 'mms' APN). To do this, you need a kernel with /system write available, so your changes stick after a reboot. You also need to use a third-party messaging app like Go SMS Pro or something.
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Ahh cool. I might ask you when I receive my phone. Just ordered it now. Costing me $598 delivered to Australia. It's fully unlocked and comes with an Otterbox Defender case. There weren't many deals going on and it took me a few days to even find this deal! I just sold a Nexus 4 for $550, so this is only costing me an extra $50 and it includes the case, so I'm happy. The phone has HTC USA 1 Yr Warranty. (Luckily for me my mother in-law lives in the US!
How much is the going price on the device outside of eBay? In the states for example.
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Ahh cool. I might ask you when I receive my phone. Just ordered it now. Costing me $598 delivered to Australia. It's fully unlocked and comes with an Otterbox Defender case. There weren't many deals going on and it took me a few days to even find this deal! I just sold a Nexus 4 for $550, so this is only costing me an extra $50 and it includes the case, so I'm happy. The phone has HTC USA 1 Yr Warranty. (Luckily for me my mother in-law lives in the US!
How much is the going price on the device outside of eBay? In the states for example.
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Outside ebay its $599 + tax + shipping. So a lot more than what you paid. Even I got mine was way less than this from ebay only. Got mine for like 550 delivered. But yes I too had to wait for couple of weeks for right auction and little bit of luck with auction ending late local US time in the middle of night.
Most ebay phones are people who had upgrade option available and got the phone for $199 but decided to make some money by selling the phone on ebay and keep the old phone for another contract cycle.
This is what 99% of ebay deals are for phone like this. So we do save considerable amount by buying from ebay. If you have a look at the seller ratings, you are safe and covered by ebay guarantee which heavily favours buyers. So its pretty safe bet if you take minimal precautions.
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Thanks for the response mate. I appreciate the help. Why do you need to do anything to get working MMS?
Oh cool you have both phones then? The Note 2 is just a little bit too big for me. How do the screens compare to you? Anything else you might add you like or dislike about the 2 devices mate?
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I am little bit of phone fanatic. I end up buying almost all high end phones from HTC, Samsung and sometimes some good chinese phones.
At the moment I have Xiaomi MI2, Note 2 and DNA with me. And just sold Nexus 4 few weeks ago, but you already had that so you know how it was.
Xiamoi is on par with DNA as far as performance is concerned. Its blazing fast and thats understandable as it has same chip. And no throttle issues like Nexus 4 on this phone. It just flies out of box. Mind boggling performance. It does out perform even DNA in benchmarks like Antutu as it has 720P screen and not 1080P. But you can feel the speed with this one. Total bang for buck for something I bought for less than $400 shipped. It does run out of battery quickly if you do anything processor intensive so it is mainly used as house phone.
Note 2 is a beast. Its screen is much better than SGS3. But DNA screen looks totally different. 1080P is heaven if you are viewing right content. Sadly somehow you feel sense is not making use of the real estate available. Specially those who have good vision and can live with smaller font or rather smaller icons / more grid lines as an option would have been nice. But thats fine. Nothing major. Sure someone will make a rom that will implement this down the line.
1080P and games that scale properly look super nice on this phone. But playing games with on screen controls is better experience on Note 2 thanks to bigger display. But I dont game much these days, not heavy gaming for sure. Just some 2d time pass games or sudoku, puzzle or jetpack joyride etc..
But the huge battery, and S-Pen make it much better productivity device. And I do have large hands.
I am totally in love with Note 2. I dont think that will change. It is better, more productive device at this stage of its development. But if you have problems with Note 2 size, DNA is definitely next best thing right now.
For development i say buy nexus.I had HTC desire and since then HTC changed, became a locked garden, Devs are moving away from HTC scene. However if you feel the need of some htc sense candy(i sometimes miss it) ,it is another story but i always flash an aosp rom usually so sense is kinda waste for me.Experience also taught me that software support is far superior as opposed to a slight advantage in hardware.Just my 2c though, it is your money and you decide how to us it at the end of the day
If not that why don't you Terry xperia z atm i don't really know about that line of phones but i only hear good things even from our beloved cody back at the sammy forums.
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Funkym0nkey said:
Outside ebay its $599 + tax + shipping. So a lot more than what you paid. Even I got mine was way less than this from ebay only. Got mine for like 550 delivered. But yes I too had to wait for couple of weeks for right auction and little bit of luck with auction ending late local US time in the middle of night.
Most ebay phones are people who had upgrade option available and got the phone for $199 but decided to make some money by selling the phone on ebay and keep the old phone for another contract cycle.
This is what 99% of ebay deals are for phone like this. So we do save considerable amount by buying from ebay. If you have a look at the seller ratings, you are safe and covered by ebay guarantee which heavily favours buyers. So its pretty safe bet if you take minimal precautions.
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I am little bit of phone fanatic. I end up buying almost all high end phones from HTC, Samsung and sometimes some good chinese phones.
At the moment I have Xiaomi MI2, Note 2 and DNA with me. And just sold Nexus 4 few weeks ago, but you already had that so you know how it was.
Xiamoi is on par with DNA as far as performance is concerned. Its blazing fast and thats understandable as it has same chip. And no throttle issues like Nexus 4 on this phone. It just flies out of box. Mind boggling performance. It does out perform even DNA in benchmarks like Antutu as it has 720P screen and not 1080P. But you can feel the speed with this one. Total bang for buck for something I bought for less than $400 shipped. It does run out of battery quickly if you do anything processor intensive so it is mainly used as house phone.
Note 2 is a beast. Its screen is much better than SGS3. But DNA screen looks totally different. 1080P is heaven if you are viewing right content. Sadly somehow you feel sense is not making use of the real estate available. Specially those who have good vision and can live with smaller font or rather smaller icons / more grid lines as an option would have been nice. But thats fine. Nothing major. Sure someone will make a rom that will implement this down the line.
1080P and games that scale properly look super nice on this phone. But playing games with on screen controls is better experience on Note 2 thanks to bigger display. But I dont game much these days, not heavy gaming for sure. Just some 2d time pass games or sudoku, puzzle or jetpack joyride etc..
But the huge battery, and S-Pen make it much better productivity device. And I do have large hands.
I am totally in love with Note 2. I dont think that will change. It is better, more productive device at this stage of its development. But if you have problems with Note 2 size, DNA is definitely next best thing right now.
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Awesome! I already had the SGS 1 and 2. I then followed suit and bought the SGS 3. The phone was way too similar to the SGS 1 and 2. I got bored of it extremely fast, which was a first for me in a long time. I decided to flash a Samsung based ROM with AOSP apps, which I thought was pretty good for about a day and then flashed Paranoid, CM10.1 and AOKP over the next couple of weeks. I eventually just got sick of the look and feel of the device being too familiar to me.
At this point the nexus was the 1 and only phone for me....... I first thought. After using it for a while it didn't seem like the screen was even any bigger than even my SGS 2 as it loses so much screen real estate because of the OSKeys and it certainly didn't feel like an upgrade from the SGS 3, besides the fact it was extremely polished and fast being vanilla.
However, the thermal throttling and screen size pushed me away (Not to mention I was scared about the resell value if it eventually does come back in stock). So naturally I starting looking at the Note 2 (Which mind you is fantastic, but after using my friends over a weekend, I just found it to be so much like the SGS 1,2,3 in design and feel, with that same familiar Samsung feeling. Also it was very hard for me to handle while doing my day to day tasks. I did have a final play with it at the shops and it really just felt too strange to handle.
I am now taking a gamble on the DNA but oh well, it is selling in Australia for a lot more so I know if I want to resell it I won't lose any money! The screen looks brill and the muscle car chassis is dangerously gorgeous. I have never liked HTC phone after my previous attempts but fk it. At least I can give a complete comparison to others later on
Honestly, all of this fuss just for a phone which I will most likely sell to buy an Xperia Z or another 5"1080p phone by the second half of this year with perhaps the Adreno 330 or perhaps a comeback by Tegra? Who knows what the year will bring. All I know is their is a lot of competition that has yet to arrive from Sony, Oppo, Motorola, Acer, Asus.... and so on!
P.S It was refreshing to actually see some movement in the thread!
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For development i say buy nexus.I had HTC desire and since then HTC changed, became a locked garden, Devs are moving away from HTC scene. However if you feel the need of some htc sense candy(i sometimes miss it) ,it is another story but i always flash an aosp rom usually so sense is kinda waste for me.Experience also thought me that software support is far supurior as opposed to a slight asvantage in hardware.Just my 2c though, it is your money and you decide how to us it at the end of the day
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Hey bart. Been a while mate. I don't think we have spoken since my fantastic post about the history of CheckROM and it's developers.
As for the N4, Been there already man. I loved the Nexus 4 for that pure clean experience. Above is my reasoning as to why I chose to leave it.
Oh god lol how can i forget that checkrom thread i still remember ur posts
Hehe k ,i suggest u look also at xperia z but,about tegra... i think you know how exynos is fked up in terms of supportthe grass at the tegra department is not greener
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Oh god lol how can i forget that checkrom thread i still remember ur posts
Hehe k ,i suggest u look also at xperia z but,about tegra... i think you know how exynos is fked up in terms of supportthe grass at the tegra department is not greener
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Yeah well the grass is never greener If you read my long boring post above from start to finish you would have seen me mention the Xperia Z near the end of the thesis
I am now again looking at buying the Droid DNA due to being screwed around by previous seller! I wanted to ask this: Everywhere seems to state that the Droid DNA is network unlocked. Is this true? If it is then why are people sometimes stating on eBay that only GSM will work and no DATA outside of Verizon and the US! (I live in Australia and this is obviously important)
I am seriously getting so confused because of mixed seller listings. Some people say it is factory unlocked and some people say it is locked to Verizon. What is the deal? Also if the phone has a bad ESN or they fail to make a payment later on down the track and it does become bad, does this mean it will stop working in Australia or is it solely based around US and Verizon in general?
About the seller on eBay, I have now been refunded my money for my recent transaction. The seller did not mention that the device didn't come with it's box, instructions, charger etc. He also has no intention of mentioning it because he has relisted it without even indicating it. He is just trying to get an international buyer to deal with it is my guess. It was just a handset and a case. Very misleading, I am lucky that I confirmed with him just before he was selling it. It was one of those buy it nows that need to be paid upfront.
Thanks guys
Hi everyone. For the past 8 months, I was on Windows Phone on a Nokia Lumia 920. Although I love the device and WP was pretty good for what it was meant to do, I was a bit disappointed that the apps I heavily use for school and work didn't get ported to WP in spite of many petitions to these companies. Even though I love Nokia, I had to make the uneasy decision of leaving them behind and jumping ships back to HTC. I recently bought the HTC One and have a few questions.
I had the first HTC Desire as well as the HTC Flyer, but I was extremely disappointed at the fact that HTC decided to pull support from both of these devices after just being a few months in the market. They touted both of these devices at all conferences before launch and then cut the support to them. As a result, I wanted to move away from HTC, but unfortunately I'm back because WP/Nokia option didn't work out for me. I just want to know how HTC is doing in terms of supporting their devices? Is it still very difficult to root their devices?
Is there anything in general I've missed for the past 8 months?
Also, from personal experience, how is the Lumia 920 camera vs the HTC One?
HTC hasn't proven any different yet, there's still no official 4.2.2 even.
However, thanks to the Google edition you'll be able to get the best support possible should you choose to unlock the device and put a custom recovery on it to flash GE roms (or if you just buy the Google edition). May even be possible to change CID and flash an RUU and get direct updates like a Nexus device once it's available.
Dev support is great for the One. You can unlock the boot loader on HTCDev and flash a recovery right from fastboot. Easiest non-nexus I've worked with
As far as cameras are concerned, I'm convinced the lumia 920 has a superior camera - Nokia probably has the best on any smartphone, great quality, good low light shots, etc. Not to say the One is bad (its actually quite good in my experience so far), but it's not as good as what you have on the higher end lumia devices.
Otherwise, the One is far superior to the 920 in every way - at least in my opinion.
But welcome back you seem to have the same problem as most android/iOS to WP converts.
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Thanks for your reply!
I really wish Nokia made an Android option, but regardless. I was happy to see that there will be a GE version of the HTC One, which would mean that even if HTC decides to pull the plug, at least the updates from google and developers from XDA will keep the device going!
I've actually had a lot of friends that went with the iphone that can't wait for their contracts to be up so they can switch to android. they're not having much luck with iOS
Seriously if Nokia will have android, they will be on top of Samsung, HTC etc with their good hardware design.
Too bad Microsoft has brainwashed Nokia. Nokia should get into the Android game while making WP as well. The more choices we have...the better.
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I also jumped back to Android from my Lumia 920,I still keep it because its a great phone,really like the OS, but missed some work apps (Logmein & GFI) ,im really pleased with the ONE, been trough a lot Android devices and the ONE is perfection for an Android Device.
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Hi everyone. For the past 8 months, I was on Windows Phone on a Nokia Lumia 920. Although I love the device and WP was pretty good for what it was meant to do, I was a bit disappointed that the apps I heavily use for school and work didn't get ported to WP in spite of many petitions to these companies. Even though I love Nokia, I had to make the uneasy decision of leaving them behind and jumping ships back to HTC. I recently bought the HTC One and have a few questions.
I had the first HTC Desire as well as the HTC Flyer, but I was extremely disappointed at the fact that HTC decided to pull support from both of these devices after just being a few months in the market. They touted both of these devices at all conferences before launch and then cut the support to them. As a result, I wanted to move away from HTC, but unfortunately I'm back because WP/Nokia option didn't work out for me. I just want to know how HTC is doing in terms of supporting their devices? Is it still very difficult to root their devices?
Is there anything in general I've missed for the past 8 months?
Also, from personal experience, how is the Lumia 920 camera vs the HTC One?
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How could you possibly think of leaving the android community? I am thrilled you came to your "sense"s though (pun intented)