Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score. Not to mention, the Droid Ultra has a WORSE chipset than the DNA's yet it gets a significantly higher 3DMark score?..
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
rejectedjs said:
Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score.
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
RLGL said:
What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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Ive only ran 3DMark when I was on stock ROM, considering A8 and the A2 Benchmark weren't out then, and on the Extreme test on 3DMark I used to always hit 5.9k or below, now I get about 61xx. On other ROMs, especially the NOS M7 port, or any M7 port for that matter, I always got way worse performance through both gaming and benchmarks.
I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
raichur0xx0rz said:
I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
Slow?
I've owned the DNA since launch (a launch model and a replacement w/ the Verizon update pre-installed). My original was rooted with S-OFF. My current is stock. I have never heard the word slow and the Droid DNA in the same sentence. I have a 2013 Nexus 7, which I believe is also a S4 Pro, and when comparing the two, my Nexus has has more non responsive moments than my phone. My DNA has been a champ for close to a year now. The only drawback is battery life, but that's not the topic of this conversation.
You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
He did mention lower framerates on Asphalt 8.
I think he's mainly concerned about gaming performance, as we now have some fairly demanding games on the market. I don't play games on my phone, so I can't really give any examples of my experience...
Otherwise, regardless of benchmark numbers, I think 2012+ phones have such advanced internals that day-to-day basic usage of the device will be fine.
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You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
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Games like Asphalt 8, I can understand having a drop to a lower framerate, however, even when playing Dead Trigger on High on my current kernel and ROM setup, when turning the camera, I experience immense framerate drops, to even like, 11 or so. I honestly don't understand why the DNA is so under performing. I do a lot of gaming on my DNA, and early benchmarks when the phone was first released revealed better scores than the Nexus 4, but now it seems like the exact opposite. I can't even keep a decent frame rate on Real Racing 3.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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You're failing to understand my point here. My main question in this thread is, if all these devices use the exact same GPU, and most of them, the exact same chipset, why do the Adreno 320s in phones like the Nexus 4, the Xperia Z, Droid Ultra, how do those outperform the GPU in the DNA by so much? Even in real world performance. In real racing 3, a nexus 4 can get like a good average 30 FPS, on my DNA, I'm lucky to see FPS Meter hit 30 once.
I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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This is the type of information I'm talking about. I don't know more about Android other than flashing zips, but I never knew that we're basically running off of a generic driver. It's literally about the same as me installing a new GPU in my desktop and running off of Microsoft's OEM display driver? If so, how much better would gaming be if the upcoming HTC One Dev Edition 4.3 update was ported to the DNA as a flashable rom? I did notice that the NOS HTC One GE rom on 4.2.2 had a lot better performance than all other 4.2.2 roms. If the HTC One Google Edition's 4.3 was ported to the DNA, it'd be running off of Qualcomm proprietary drivers? If so, I absolutely cannot wait.
Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
rejectedjs said:
Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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jamiethemorris said:
Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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On 3DMark, my scores are higher than the average for any device with an Adreno 320 GPU, on all three tests Thanks dude, I absolutely cannot wait for a 4.3 update!
Performance: Maxed out
Extreme: 7369
Unlimited: 10881
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resolution has alot to do with graphic performance. Using a high resolution can have a big toll on a graphic chip and thats true with any kind of computer, tablet or smartphone. the reason the Droid ultra and Nexus 4 run smoother in games because the resolution is lower. Simple as that. Dont know about the Xperia Z. 720 vs 1080p. Thats a 25% increase in resolution. It wont be appearant on most games but on high gpu powered games you will start to notice fps drops.
Why do lg g2 has such a low score in antutu v5.1 only 33500?
G2 notoriously scores low on benchmarks. I wouldn't look to much into it. Phone is a powerhouse even given its age.
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Don't trust in that dude, just only numbers.
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lg g2 is a very good mobile and this test is not important ( :| )
with ehndroid rom I got 39k on Antutu out of the box
Coming from a device which scores 8-10k seeing someone say 33k is low is funny
it's because lg took the bionic optimisations out with kitkat on lg2. they were present on the original jellybean rom
this was probably done, imo, to make the g3 look like a much faster phone then the g2
I received my Nexus 6P last night and it appeared perfect build , but I am not impressed so I first of all am asking for your results with benchmarks I did but my experience so far:
"Just received my Nexus 6P and took some pictures comparing to the Shamu and without a doubt the Shamu had better lighting and overall detail. In addition, the speaker was louder and demonstrated more of a stereo presence than the 6P. I felt that the performance of accessing and opening apps was just as good if not better with the Shamu and that lead me to run the Antutu benchmark and the results were telling.
In the Antutu, both were run with no applications loaded and the difference was more than 13K in favor of the Shamu ?? 52+ vs 39
As if that was not enough I ran Geekbench 3 and the results were even more dramatic. 1064 single core 3273 multi / 726 single 2882 multi
What this experience so far has led me to believe is that either I have a very good Shamu OR the Nexus 6P is defective
What are your results so far with your benchmarks and it would be good if you also have a Nexus 6 Shamu to compare as well.
I frankly was very shocked with the camera performance and now the benchmarks.. Is this phone defective and need an RMA or ???
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I received my Nexus 6P last night and it appeared perfect build , but I am not impressed so I first of all am asking for your results with benchmarks I did but my experience so far:
"Just received my Nexus 6P and took some pictures comparing to the Shamu and without a doubt the Shamu had better lighting and overall detail. In addition, the speaker was louder and demonstrated more of a stereo presence than the 6P. I felt that the performance of accessing and opening apps was just as good if not better with the Shamu and that lead me to run the Antutu benchmark and the results were telling.
In the Antutu, both were run with no applications loaded and the difference was more than 13K in favor of the Shamu ?? 52+ vs 39
As if that was not enough I ran Geekbench 3 and the results were even more dramatic. 1064 single core 3273 multi / 726 single 2882 multi
What this experience so far has led me to believe is that either I have a very good Shamu OR the Nexus 6P is defective
What are your results so far with your benchmarks and it would be good if you also have a Nexus 6 Shamu to compare as well.
I frankly was very shocked with the camera performance and now the benchmarks.. Is this phone defective and need an RMA or ???
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I never owned the nexus 6, so I can't speak to its strengths or weaknesses, but I can tell you that so far I've been thoroughly impressed by the 6p. For me it's been an incredibly smooth phone, with really nothing to complain about, and I'm tough to please when it comes to phones.
Well it appears that your 2 scores are really much better than what I have seen after running repeats of the tests.
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Well it appears that your 2 scores are really much better than what I have seen after running repeats of the tests.
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If you're running test after test then the phone will be throttling and giving lower scores.
painfree said:
I received my Nexus 6P last night and it appeared perfect build , but I am not impressed so I first of all am asking for your results with benchmarks I did but my experience so far:
"Just received my Nexus 6P and took some pictures comparing to the Shamu and without a doubt the Shamu had better lighting and overall detail. In addition, the speaker was louder and demonstrated more of a stereo presence than the 6P. I felt that the performance of accessing and opening apps was just as good if not better with the Shamu and that lead me to run the Antutu benchmark and the results were telling.
In the Antutu, both were run with no applications loaded and the difference was more than 13K in favor of the Shamu ?? 52+ vs 39
As if that was not enough I ran Geekbench 3 and the results were even more dramatic. 1064 single core 3273 multi / 726 single 2882 multi
What this experience so far has led me to believe is that either I have a very good Shamu OR the Nexus 6P is defective
What are your results so far with your benchmarks and it would be good if you also have a Nexus 6 Shamu to compare as well.
I frankly was very shocked with the camera performance and now the benchmarks.. Is this phone defective and need an RMA or ???
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Are both your phones encrypted? Because the 6p is encrypted default. Also benchmarks are notoriously unreliable. Snapdragon 810 (6p) is 64 bit while Snapdragon 805 (6) is 32 bit comparing the two accurately may prove difficult. Many other things are different about the two devices. Things that make the nexus 6 undesirable, in my opinion.
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Also this http://m.pocketnow.com/2013/07/23/benchmark-scores
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Agree about benchmarks as a rule but since with the identical apps loaded on both units, the N6P was not performing as smoothly as the Nexus 6 and with the faster RAM I expected more smoothness and thus my questions. Both are encrypted . I will say the HDR is more effective on the 6P and running the speed test on Ookla I get better scores with the 6P . Although the speakers on the Shamu are both louder and demonstrate more of a stereo presence, I am waiting for my case to arrive before I put the SIM in and take the 6P outside to see how it performs as a phone for after all that is really what I need (Better T Mobile performance).
As a non-related side note, the Nexus 5 was worthless inside the house with T Mobile and the Shamu is usable on the LTE. I will see how the 6P performs.
There's a dedicated benchmark thread you can ask about this in... Here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/benchmarks-t3239734
No need for another. :good:
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Hello XDA,
I would like to preface that I have been a s9+ daily driver since launch and have faced no issues so far. Many people I chat with keep talking about benchmarks and how their device is faster. I dont notice any slowness between my phone and the next generations of phones. I have the phone set to reboot itself every week to. The phone felt snappy.
I even noticed the device improved with Android 10 and One UI 2.0. The benchmarks improved to but it's still scored lower. However daily usage has shown performance to be snappy.
So I ask is benchmarks really all that? Post your benchmarks below!
Benchmarks used: Vellemo, BaseMark 2, Geekbench 4, PcMark, 3D Mark
EternalSeekerX said:
Hello XDA,
I would like to preface that I have been a s9+ daily driver since launch and have faced no issues so far. Many people I chat with keep talking about benchmarks and how their device is faster. I dont notice any slowness between my phone and the next generations of phones. I have the phone set to reboot itself every week to. The phone felt snappy.
I even noticed the device improved with Android 10 and One UI 2.0. The benchmarks improved to but it's still scored lower. However daily usage has shown performance to be snappy.
So I ask is benchmarks really all that? Post your benchmarks below!
Benchmarks used: Vellemo, BaseMark 2, Geekbench 4, PcMark, 3D Mark
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In my opinion Benchmarks are garbage Its on how the device runs in your hand and feels day to day
benchmark in phones = meh
Google's Tensor inside of Pixel 6, Pixel 6 Pro: A Look into Performance & Efficiency:
Google's Tensor inside of Pixel 6, Pixel 6 Pro: A Look into Performance & Efficiency
www.anandtech.com
Just like I expected, very disappointing, to say the least. And Google's optimization is really average (looking at jitter tests on UI bench and jankbenchX). Hopefully they improve things ASAP and also improve A12. I also have some hope since some talented devs will get their hands on this phone.
I agree. I hoped for more. IMO it's an Exynos chip. Sifted through the source code and although this new GKI kernel is a bit different, there are about 20-30 "Exynos" labeled kernel modules.
Other weird things to, like doing some benchmarks while watching CPU/GPU performance. The cortex x-1's will not go past 2.4ghz. Where'd the other ~400mhz go? And all 4 A55's are mostly static at 1800mhz when not loaded. They won't throttle down? Hopefully they do when screen is off....lol?
Just placed my order and can't wait for all the dev, for this device. Been rocking the P3XL for a few years and when I saw the redesign of the 6 I knew I needed to have it