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Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score. Not to mention, the Droid Ultra has a WORSE chipset than the DNA's yet it gets a significantly higher 3DMark score?..
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
rejectedjs said:
Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score.
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
RLGL said:
What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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Ive only ran 3DMark when I was on stock ROM, considering A8 and the A2 Benchmark weren't out then, and on the Extreme test on 3DMark I used to always hit 5.9k or below, now I get about 61xx. On other ROMs, especially the NOS M7 port, or any M7 port for that matter, I always got way worse performance through both gaming and benchmarks.
I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
raichur0xx0rz said:
I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
Slow?
I've owned the DNA since launch (a launch model and a replacement w/ the Verizon update pre-installed). My original was rooted with S-OFF. My current is stock. I have never heard the word slow and the Droid DNA in the same sentence. I have a 2013 Nexus 7, which I believe is also a S4 Pro, and when comparing the two, my Nexus has has more non responsive moments than my phone. My DNA has been a champ for close to a year now. The only drawback is battery life, but that's not the topic of this conversation.
You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
He did mention lower framerates on Asphalt 8.
I think he's mainly concerned about gaming performance, as we now have some fairly demanding games on the market. I don't play games on my phone, so I can't really give any examples of my experience...
Otherwise, regardless of benchmark numbers, I think 2012+ phones have such advanced internals that day-to-day basic usage of the device will be fine.
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You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
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Games like Asphalt 8, I can understand having a drop to a lower framerate, however, even when playing Dead Trigger on High on my current kernel and ROM setup, when turning the camera, I experience immense framerate drops, to even like, 11 or so. I honestly don't understand why the DNA is so under performing. I do a lot of gaming on my DNA, and early benchmarks when the phone was first released revealed better scores than the Nexus 4, but now it seems like the exact opposite. I can't even keep a decent frame rate on Real Racing 3.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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You're failing to understand my point here. My main question in this thread is, if all these devices use the exact same GPU, and most of them, the exact same chipset, why do the Adreno 320s in phones like the Nexus 4, the Xperia Z, Droid Ultra, how do those outperform the GPU in the DNA by so much? Even in real world performance. In real racing 3, a nexus 4 can get like a good average 30 FPS, on my DNA, I'm lucky to see FPS Meter hit 30 once.
I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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This is the type of information I'm talking about. I don't know more about Android other than flashing zips, but I never knew that we're basically running off of a generic driver. It's literally about the same as me installing a new GPU in my desktop and running off of Microsoft's OEM display driver? If so, how much better would gaming be if the upcoming HTC One Dev Edition 4.3 update was ported to the DNA as a flashable rom? I did notice that the NOS HTC One GE rom on 4.2.2 had a lot better performance than all other 4.2.2 roms. If the HTC One Google Edition's 4.3 was ported to the DNA, it'd be running off of Qualcomm proprietary drivers? If so, I absolutely cannot wait.
Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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jamiethemorris said:
Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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On 3DMark, my scores are higher than the average for any device with an Adreno 320 GPU, on all three tests Thanks dude, I absolutely cannot wait for a 4.3 update!
Performance: Maxed out
Extreme: 7369
Unlimited: 10881
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resolution has alot to do with graphic performance. Using a high resolution can have a big toll on a graphic chip and thats true with any kind of computer, tablet or smartphone. the reason the Droid ultra and Nexus 4 run smoother in games because the resolution is lower. Simple as that. Dont know about the Xperia Z. 720 vs 1080p. Thats a 25% increase in resolution. It wont be appearant on most games but on high gpu powered games you will start to notice fps drops.
First, the PhoneArena article: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Base...-Nexus-5-as-the-2nd-best-gaming-phone_id48870
The article highlights benchmark results from Basemark X 1.0 which puts N5, with 14.27 fps, second to the iPhone 5 at 15.54 fps. (Web page slightly outdated, as the app shows the Xperia Z1 as 2nd with 14.49)
For fun, I tried the same benchmark on my VS980. I'm on Malladus 1.1.7 and had Trickster tweaked a bit for performance and got 14.234 fps before I got bored tweaking...after like four iterations...so basically nothing.
I don't personally put much stock in benchmarks but I thought this was somewhat revealing as to how a barely-tweaked G2 compares to stock G2, N5, and iP5.
If the past is any indication, we can obviously look forward to significant bench improvements as our talented developers progress.
Hello all , i create this thread to discuss the impact of the KitKat 4.4.2 on our phones , for me it was a disaster , my G2 was lag free score always more than 36000pts on antutu and more than 20000 on quadrant , now with 4.4.2 i get only 28000 pts on antutu and 17000 on quadrant .
AND YOU ?
Same here...only quadrant 21126.
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gabilondo said:
Same here...only quadrant 21126.
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i have another G2 Korean version F320S same issue 28000 on antutu ...., and both D802 and F320S lag time to time ... i dont know why
Mine doesn't lag but antutu score is really affected.Before kitkat 36540,after 28000.Quadrant score is the same before and after update.
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gabilondo said:
Mine doesn't lag but antutu score is really affected.Before kitkat 36540,after 28000.Quadrant score is the same before and after update.
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when you power on and you try to type your PIN it dosnt lag little when you click the numbers ? im asking coz i have the same lag in both versions !
I never use pin code,sorry..
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when you power on and you try to type your PIN it dosnt lag little when you click the numbers ? im asking coz i have the same lag in both versions !
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not sure if there would be a difference, but i'm on d801 (t-mobile). i don't see any lag with either JB or KK
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not sure if there would be a difference, but i'm on d801 (t-mobile). i don't see any lag with either JB or KK
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i had no lag on JB but i have some with KK on both versions , can you share with us your benchmark scores ?
All benchmarks are affected by kitkat, but it doesn't indicate the lags/smoothness
I tested all kk roms including CM ones. Now i'm on not official for my phone kk from vodafone (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2664933) and it's all the same. These are my scores : Antutu 25000-27000 and Quadrant 16000-17000. Usualy in Antutu i got 31000 on PA kitkat. And with stock 422 i got 34700. In Quadrant i got 20000-21000 on stock 422. But i think there might be an issue with Quadrant and Antutu, because on 3dmark everything is up the roof(pics), Ice Storm - maxed out, Ice Storm Extreme - maxed out, and Ice Storm Unlimited 17127.
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All benchmarks are affected by kitkat, but it doesn't indicate the lags/smoothness
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I've been running the 4.4.2 since yesterday and besides the lack of root, I really think the update solves most of the strange lag in lg stock launcher. Also apps open up much faster, eg. facebook before had a 1-2 second lag before showing the ui, now its like 700 ms and updating the feed is also much snappier.
Antutu gives med 33.000 which is more or less the same as on 4.2.2 stock.
D802 32 gb international here, running 4.4.2 Verizon branded kdz taken from the links here on xda.
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i had no lag on JB but i have some with KK on both versions , can you share with us your benchmark scores ?
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I hate when people with low knowledge on how android or benchmarks work start thread.It's a disaster for your phone to be more responsive with lower benchmarks?Instead it's a disaster when ur phone is less responsive with higher benchmarks that smokes every other companies' device.These are some threads I wish the mods burn no even delete.Benchmarks NEVER EXPLAIN REAL LIFE PERFORMANCE!How many times should noobs here this!Even devs like @faux123 and @maxwen tell u how a kernel can be optimized to come in with much power when the user needs it and not when the user isn't and their kernels score less benchmark performances and greater performance + battery life than stock kernels for all the devices they've worked with.Benchmarks can't be read by individual scores alone.Did u check the i/o,single core and other unique performances in your benchmarking app.Btw OEMs do learn how to cheat on benchmarks after their first updates so wait for an OTA with "bug fixes" which means benchmark cheats incoming if u want higher benchmarks!
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I hate when people with low knowledge on how android or benchmarks work start thread.It's a disaster for your phone to be more responsive with lower benchmarks?Instead it's a disaster when ur phone is less responsive with higher benchmarks that smokes every other companies' device.These are some threads I wish the mods burn no even delete.Benchmarks NEVER EXPLAIN REAL LIFE PERFORMANCE!How many times should noobs here this!Even devs like @faux123 and @maxwen tell u how a kernel can be optimized to come in with much power when the user needs it and not when the user isn't and their kernels score less benchmark performances and greater performance + battery life than stock kernels for all the devices they've worked with.Benchmarks can't be read by individual scores alone.Did u check the i/o,single core and other unique performances in your benchmarking app.Btw OEMs do learn how to cheat on benchmarks after their first updates so wait for an OTA with "bug fixes" which means benchmark cheats incoming if u want higher benchmarks!
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an i hate when a "HALF-GEEK" start his bla bla bla BLU without reading , all what you said we know it ! but when we talk benchmarks we mean smothness not only scores , and my PHONES ARE LESS RESPONSIVE WITH kitkat I HAVE LAGS ON BOTH VERSIONS ,that why i starts this thread! i have multitask : 4730 CPU Integer : 1532 storage I/O 1622 Database I/O 589 bla bla bla so please ... if you cant discuss and respect others and if you dont like a thread no one oblige you to participate .
great!!!!
Alexzander said:
I tested all kk roms including CM ones. Now i'm on not official for my phone kk from vodafone (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2664933) and it's all the same. These are my scores : Antutu 25000-27000 and Quadrant 16000-17000. Usualy in Antutu i got 31000 on PA kitkat. And with stock 422 i got 34700. In Quadrant i got 20000-21000 on stock 422. But i think there might be an issue with Quadrant and Antutu, because on 3dmark everything is up the roof(pics), Ice Storm - maxed out, Ice Storm Extreme - maxed out, and Ice Storm Unlimited 17127.
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you didnt notice any irresponsiveness/lag ?
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you didnt notice any irresponsiveness/lag ?
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No lag so far . Everything is butter smooth. But i didn't have time to test the gps yet.
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i had no lag on JB but i have some with KK on both versions , can you share with us your benchmark scores ?
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I got 27958 on antutu and 17522 on quadrant, so the benchmark numbers haven't correlated to the quicker responsiveness
I don't bother with benchmarks but I can tell you my phone feels exponentially faster and more responsive. Everything just feels smoother.
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So overall their is a actual performance improvement in KitKat?
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I don't really care about the benchmarks... Kit kat so smooth... Put's jelly bean to total shame...
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I decided to install AnTuTu Benchmark and do a performance test (obviously), and I find the big surprise that our lovely LG G2
(In my case the D800 AT&T model, running the CloudyG3 2.1 Rom, with the Dorimanx kernel without being overclocked) had a score of no less than 36201 points! And even better score that our successor: The LG G3 ... Simply amazing!
Here I leave the image for the ones who don't believe me.
How is your battery life ? That's impressive
It is normal as the screen of G3 is of 2k resolution, which burden the GPU a lot
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How is your battery life ? That's impressive
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My battery life is very good, I have 25 hours, with a moderate usage.
I don't know if this is the perfect combination of Rom+Kernel, but it works very good for me And if you don't have too much apps, I recommend it!
36k is OK but not amazing! ;p
I had over 40k on stock 20D. After upgrading to 20H it is about 36k too. So, there is nothing special about Cloudy.
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41000 points on CM12, no kernel change !
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41000 points on CM12, no kernel change !
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Everyone on lolipop has 40k+, i think we will have more on stock lolipop than we have on kitkat
Just over 100,000 on benchmark test. Anyone else score better with their G6? Mine is on sprint.
Just ran it again and got 139k. I guess that's better.
Got 140690 on my tmob version.
Sprint version 141k
My bench. Would be better but as we know everyone cheats like OnePlus and Samsung.
My benchmarks seem okay
My benchmarks seem okay .
I haven't done anything special to get these scores and I'm still on firmware 'a' AnTuTu 152782
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here is mine a ATT version black, funny thing is I think there is some duds out there, I Had Ice platinum one and the camera sucked on it and didnt seem very fast so I Returned it then I bought a black one andseemsto be faster and smooth and no lag and takes way better pics below is benchmark
Korean model.
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here's mine..g6 europe v10d
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155,436 on mine us997 version:
3D: 61193
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Hi guys
normal G6 870DS version is not correct validated into antutu ?
Was planning to buy this LG G6 for my fiance and research about its scores.. I wasnt expecting the LG G6 would have such low scores.. Im using a oneplus 3T by the way
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Haha I bet you guys have great times down the pub. On your own.
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Was planning to buy this LG G6 for my fiance and research about its scores.. I wasnt expecting the LG G6 would have such low scores.. Im using a oneplus 3T by the way
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This is a deciding factor for you?
US997 on the latest AOSP Extended with the new Adreno 530 driver...
H870 20b with adreno driver v11 plus some tweaks on build.prop and thermal temp and melina kernel
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H870 20b with adreno driver v11 plus some tweaks on build.prop and thermal temp and melina kernel
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I'm curious, may I ask what build.prop tweaks?
H870 here, running the oreo-based AquariOS rom + the v313 adreno drivers.. No extra tweaks otherwise