About two years ago when I first bought my original Android device, the Galaxy Note, I did a lot of research about Lion batteries, authentic USB cables, cheap USB cables.. I'm a bit of a geek when I want to find stuff out. I ended up pulling apart my battery once I had wrecked it and went to work.... Possibly OCD. :silly:
So this post is about what I found out. Bear in mind this was two years ago, so I will only post the relevant info for us here.
USB Cables
So the big thing here is the money we save when we buy a cheap micro USB cable.
All modern devices decide the amount of current to draw or pull from chargers. So that should be fine right?!?
Well... yes. But no... Let me explain.
Often cheap cables won’t respond so well to the shutoff mechanism in the phone. The energy may also come through in sporadic bursts, which isn’t good for your battery’s life, either. Despite the phone 'pulling' the charge so you can't damage the battery that way, the pull fluctuating can effect this shutoff sensor.
When I tested several USB cables, I found that my Samsung branded cable remained the most constant. The amps pulled ranged from 1000-1200, where as my cheap $2 cable ranged from 500-1200. So essentially what this $2 cable could do, is fool our device into thinking its finished charging, or even worse... keep charging when its at 100%
My choice: For me, spending an extra $10-15 on an authentic/ branded/ shielded cable... its totally worth it.
Chargers
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Using cheap/ 3rd party wall plugs should be fine. However you must ensure that the volts are not too high.
Sony Stock wall plug:
1500 mA
5 v
3rd Party wall plug:
2000 mA (will be fine, any higher and you're wasting your time)
5 v (but not any higher! EVER!)
Ensure that you do not go over 5 volts. Volts are pushed to your device where as amps are pulled.
Example. a 9v wall charger will cause dammage. If not fry your device on contact. If you buy a wall charger that has 2000 mA (amps) or even 4000 mA will have no effect. The device will pull as much amps as it needs up to its maximum.
If you are confused... just buy the Sony branded wall charger
Lithium Ion Batteries
Consisting of Aluminium (cathode/ + ) at the top and copper (anode / - ) on the bottom. When the battery charges, ions of (lithium in this case) move through the electrolyte (which separates the positive from the negative) from the positive electrode to the negative electrode and attach to anode. During discharge, the lithium ions move back through to the cathode.
Its the cathode and anode that the positively charged ions stick to. The better quality the material more little nooks and holes in it, the more particles can stick to it, meaning the more you can charge it/ longer it will last. Below is an example of two vastly different qualities of material.
Lithium, the lightest metal that we are able to use which has the highest electrochemical potential.
However Lithium, is an unstable metal, so Lithium-Ion batteries are made from Lithium ions from chemicals. So why do they degrade over time?
Charging and discharging wears out the cathode, which results in reduced capacity. Another way to think of this is to imagine that every time you recharge your smartphone, you shave a few seconds off its maximum battery life. Erratic charging and heat speed up this degradation.
Tips:
Temperature
Between 20 and 25 degrees C. Heat is by far the largest factor when it comes to reducing lithium-ion battery life.
Charge
It's better for the battery to use partial-discharge cycles, this is because of the heat factor. Charge to 40%, and leave it for half an hour, then continue to charge to 100%. Obviously this is only if you are able. There is one exception. Every month you should allow lithium-ion batteries to almost completely discharge. Otherwise your device will report its battery status incorrectly. A condition labeled as 'digital memory'. So let the battery discharge to the cut-off point and then recharge. The power gauge will be recalibrated by itself.
Hope you've learnt something. If you have any questions i'll try and answer them, or I'm sure others will know.
Thanks, very nice and detailed information. Learned something new!
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Good Day!
im just wondering if i can use the samsung travel adaptor with output 5.3v and 2.0A? i got my default wall plug but it got different plug socket
thanks so much!
Can you always let the battery completely discharge all the time, or only occasionally?
Usually, I let the battery of my previous mobile phone, the Xperia L, either completely discharge, or start charging between 1%-4%. Then again, it is a removable battery.
The tips, and information, are invaluable. Thank you.
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When should start to charge mobile ? Phone ? At 40%, at the end of The day ?
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Is it okay to charge z ultra overnight? Using sony magnetic charging cable and sony wall charger. I charged the phone at 15, 30, 40 and 50 percent. Does this overcharge my phone. TIA.
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Is it okay to charge z ultra overnight? Using sony magnetic charging cable and sony wall charger. I charged the phone at 15, 30, 40 and 50 percent. Does this overcharge my phone. TIA.
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Yes it is OK, modern power chips are passably intelligent
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I noticed that the plug that comes with the xperia z tablet is only 1.5amp, most other phones etc i have had have always been 2amp, i am just wondering if i would get a faster charge if i bought a 2amp charger, or could i potentially damage the unit if it is only supposed to have 1.5?
thanks
James
james_lpool said:
I noticed that the plug that comes with the xperia z tablet is only 1.5amp, most other phones etc i have had have always been 2amp, i am just wondering if i would get a faster charge if i bought a 2amp charger, or could i potentially damage the unit if it is only supposed to have 1.5?
thanks
James
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AFAIK, the XTZ com go up to 2.1A (iPad charger) without any problems...
Felimenta97 said:
AFAIK, the XTZ com go up to 2.1A (iPad charger) without any problems...
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Thank you very much, i've just ordered a 2.1ma charger, i really cant understand why sony released this tablet with a 1.5ma charger as it doesn't charge it as such if you are also using it, but a 2.1ma charger would, maybe they were just trying to save money lol
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Thank you very much, i've just ordered a 2.1ma charger, i really cant understand why sony released this tablet with a 1.5ma charger as it doesn't charge it as such if you are also using it, but a 2.1ma charger would, maybe they were just trying to save money lol
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No, not to save money; instead, to help the battery have a long life. Batteries that are charged with an amperage higher than their design ampere limit will not to live as long as batteries charged at or below their design ampere limit. So, charging your tablet's battery with a 2100 mA charger instead of a 1500 mA charger (per Sony's design) will shorten the battery's life.
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No, not to save money; instead, to help the battery have a long life. Batteries that are charged with an amperage higher than their design ampere limit will not to live as long as batteries charged at or below their design ampere limit. So, charging your tablet's battery with a 2100 mA charger instead of a 1500 mA charger (per Sony's design) will shorten the battery's life.
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Makes sense. Though I believe XTZ is 1.8 A, not 1.5A. The dock is 1.8A, so yeah...
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Makes sense. Though I believe XTZ is 1.8 A, not 1.5A. The dock is 1.8A, so yeah...
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The dock's 1.8 Ampere rating is a typical-of-industry safety rating of 20% higher than the charger's 1.5 Ampere rating.
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The dock's 1.8 Ampere rating is a typical-of-industry safety rating of 20% higher than the charger's 1.5 Ampere rating.
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I see... Well, for some reason, 1.8A is stuck in my head, but no problem...
My XTZ charges fairly quickly on the 1.5A provided. Less than 5 hours, I am sure (turned on, WiFi on)
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I have already ordered a 2.1ma charger now online and was listed on a site as compatible with this tablet, I'm a bit unsure about using it now though even though is was listed for it.
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I have already ordered a 2.1ma charger now online and was listed on a site as compatible with this tablet, I'm a bit unsure about using it now though even though is was listed for it.
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Devices will only use what they want, you cant force for example, 4amps down its throat by connecting a 4amp charger. I connected it right to my galaxy s4's 2.5amp charger.
If its max charge current is 1.8amp, it will take that and no more.
>not responsible if yours explodes or something
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I have already ordered a 2.1ma charger now online and was listed on a site as compatible with this tablet, I'm a bit unsure about using it now though even though is was listed for it.
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Sites will always say they are compatible, as they wont your hard earn't cash.. But do you ever hear a manufacture, say it's ok to use a higher amp charger ??? No you don't.. Your better off picking up a portable charger that Sony recommend if your so worried about juice http://www.sony.co.uk/product/xperia-tablet-z/tab/editorialarticle2
Device will of course charge faster.
I don't expect it to have any measurable impact on tablet's battery life.
As with all chargers, voltage needs to be exact (or somewhere like 10% close - preferably 10% more not less), but amperage doesn't matter much as device will "suck" what it can anyway. Most chargers and devices nowadays have protection against "over"-whatever (overheating, overcharging etc.).
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Device will of course charge faster.
I don't expect it to have any measurable impact on tablet's battery life.
As with all chargers, voltage needs to be exact (or somewhere like 10% close - preferably 10% more not less), but amperage doesn't matter much as device will "suck" what it can anyway. Most chargers and devices nowadays have protection against "over"-whatever (overheating, overcharging etc.).
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Don't fool yourself mate just Google "fast charger kill battery" there's plenty of users complaints..
There are varied opinions on the charger capacity and how good they are vs the demerits of using higher capacity chargers on these forums. I found the following article very informative.
Most of us charge the device while in use, so that uses some current which explains why we cannot get a clear understanding of how Li-Ion battery works. Hopefully the article give some clearer understanding of how the charger works. It is not as simple as "Battery will only take what it needs." The Sony charger is designed for 1.5 Amp for a reason. As for the life of the batteries themselves, most of us may not notice it because by the time the life of battery becomes an issue, we would have changed the device ( That's my opinion, not a scientific fact
Unless the device itself has some current limiting circuit inside, the higher capacity charger is bound to pump more current into the device. I do not know for a fact if the Sony devices has some such limiting circuit.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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Devices will only use what they want, you cant force for example, 4amps down its throat by connecting a 4amp charger. I connected it right to my galaxy s4's 2.5amp charger.
If its max charge current is 1.8amp, it will take that and no more.
>not responsible if yours explodes or something
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You simply cannot 'pump more current' into a device. Electricity just doesn't work like that.
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^^this.
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You simply cannot 'pump more current' into a device. Electricity just doesn't work like that.
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Electricity just doesn't work like that ? yes in normal voltage sources. Here we are talking about the charging of the Li-Ion battery.
Actually there are constant current sources used to charge batteries. True, there are no ideal constant voltage or ideal constant current sources. But the issue of pumping more current into a device is still valid unless the device itself has current limiting circuits inside and limits it to 1.8 Amps as in the example above. What I said was I don't know for a fact that Sony has a limiter inside its tablet for the charging circuit. It may well have. I don't know that. Just because most sources ( including our household AC supply) are voltage sources does not mean all sources are voltage sources.. Please check the battery university link I posted above. They also show the charging characteristics of the battery..
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No, not to save money; instead, to help the battery have a long life. Batteries that are charged with an amperage higher than their design ampere limit will not to live as long as batteries charged at or below their design ampere limit. So, charging your tablet's battery with a 2100 mA charger instead of a 1500 mA charger (per Sony's design) will shorten the battery's life.
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i bought a power bank with two output of 1A and 2.1A, but some time my xperia charger with 1.5A output is not sufficient to charge my battery and give me not charging error...
So i was wonder due what you says, if i should use 2.1A output? and how much on battery life it may effect?
Yes you should.
Every battery charging circuit "pulls" as much amperage as needed to charge a battery.
It's not something that will destroy it.
The charger can give out up to 2.1A, but will actually give out as much as the charging circuit "asks" (note the quotes).
Battery will probably charge faster.
Now if this does affect battery life, yes in the long run it could, as most batteries "prefer" (extensive use of quotes I know) slower charging. It all depends on how smart the charging circuit is and Sony has a good track record for their smart batteries (unlike Samsung for example - which I hope they fixed with non-removable S6 battery - but that's off topic).
From my experience with Sony's charging dock on the Tablet Z, I found that it charged quite slowly as compared to a usb connected charge. I would see an overnight charge which is roughly 8 hours to only charge 30% to 85% whereas a direct usb charge would give a full charge within an hour and a half. Just wondering cause I've ordered the Z2 and hoped that the dock wouldn't be such a bad experience cause I don't want to bother with the flaps unless I have to.
I picked up a generic dock from Amazon. Seems to be 'straight through' connections, so chargers as fast as the charger will allow...
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From my experience with Sony's charging dock on the Tablet Z, I found that it charged quite slowly as compared to a usb connected charge. I would see an overnight charge which is roughly 8 hours to only charge 30% to 85% whereas a direct usb charge would give a full charge within an hour and a half. Just wondering cause I've ordered the Z2 and hoped that the dock wouldn't be such a bad experience cause I don't want to bother with the flaps unless I have to.
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About 2 hours or so from 20% to full. Full speed.
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About 2 hours or so from 20% to full. Full speed.
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The magnetic charging port is definitely slower but mine still charges in a few hours on the dock next to my bed(not sure how many amps the wall adapter is). In my car it seems about the same off the 2 amp charger(so I assume the other is only 1-1.5 amp) with much heavier drain(bright screen, BT streaming, navigation, etc.).
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A lot will depend on the quality of the cable as well. I have the no name dock from amazon and it is slow to charge with the supplied short cable but very quick with the Sony one
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It depends on the charger and the cable, to charge a 3200 MAH battery for the z2
a minimum 2 amp charger and 38 pin cable is definitely a must !
My magnetic charging port charges at a rate of 1% every 1 1/2 mins, 2 1/2 hours for full charge according to my battery stats which seem about right.
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Thanks for all the replies guys, I just can't wait to get the phone. I've been on the fence with it for some time now between the Z2 and the S5 (now the S5 Active that just came out). I just wanted a change and the two devices kinda broke even with specs and reviews for me. :highfive:
anyone yet been that crazy to use a 3A charger? Snapdragon S801 should be capable of that.
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I picked up a generic dock from Amazon. Seems to be 'straight through' connections, so chargers as fast as the charger will allow...
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I did the same, but it takes all night to get 80% whereas the direct USB takes a couple of hours to 100%
Now after i got the dock (cheap one from Ebay) i do have the same Problem!
Takes 7hours to charge from 0% to 75%
using Stock rom + Doomkernel v9
Ookay... I just connected the Mulitmeter between smartphone and dock (it's a hassle.... Hacked USB cable would be nice....)
The official Sony wallcharger (1.5A) is charging the dock and Smartphone with 800-850mA.
I tried Doomkernels Fastcharge and forced constant AC =roughly 1300mA.
Strangly when I set it to 1500 or 2000 in Faux app it falls back to 800mA.
The battery was 85% charged when I made those tests.
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Ookay... I just connected the Mulitmeter between smartphone and dock (it's a hassle.... Hacked USB cable would be nice....)
The official Sony wallcharger (1.5A) is charging the dock and Smartphone with 800-850mA.
I tried Doomkernels Fastcharge and forced constant AC =roughly 1300mA.
Strangly when I set it to 1500 or 2000 in Faux app it falls back to 800mA.
The battery was 85% charged when I made those tests.
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I thought fastcharge applied only to micro usb port
Yesterday I got a non original docking station from Amazon.de (€9,40 + delivery costs) - from 42% to 95% chargin time was 1h55min.
please visit this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2789564
Yeah,,,, so.... i made a reallife test!
Set FauxApp to "Constant AC" in FastCharge options.
in 5 hours it charged 16% xD 3.2% Per hour.
Then after that i set to "Custom" 1200mA
Charged from 76% to 100% in 3.5hours
tonight i'm trying to empty the phone (Unreal Epic Citadel might be a good idea, or maybe GFXbenchmark Battery Test....) and set to Custom 1500mAh and see what happens.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/smartphones/sony-xperia-z2
it supports quick charge 2.0 and Sony should enable it
mariosraptor said:
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/smartphones/sony-xperia-z2
it supports quick charge 2.0 and Sony should enable it
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So.... anyone has one of those QuickCharge 2.0 Adapters Mentioned here ?
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge
i wonder if it would charge faster than the Sony 1.5A charger.
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Phew... dem chargers! 18W and 30W editions!
5V 4A
9V 2.2A
12V 2.5A
20V 1A
Quick charge 2.0 does only use 9V sporadically doesn't it ?
Edit2: and 9V 4A .... wow
I wish. I could do charging in 90 minutes. It takes twice as that now.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Magnector-X...UTF8&qid=1413648702&sr=8-2&keywords=magnector
Below are some low res images of the charger.
Positives:
Speedy delivery here in the UK.
Same charge speed as supplied sony cable (it doesn't come with charging block so I used the Sony block to charge)
Slightly faster charging than the iP6+ using supplied Apple charger
The magnetic 'adhesion' is STRONG. See image below of entire phone hanging by the cable head.
Compatible with my phone cases.
Connector jumps to the contact point due to good magnetic strength, but with 50% accuracy of alignment unless you aim well. LOL.
When connected, it has a very good magnetic flex/elastic give at the point of connection so as to simply bounce back into place without falling out at the first hint of a nudge.
Cable more flexible than sony cable, which is VERY stiff.
Otherwise neat packaging.
Negatives:
No warning that upside down fitment can burn the internals.
Ought to have been longer but it is the same length as the sony cable, so yes i'm nitpicking with that one.
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No warning that upside down fitment can burn the internals.
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FYI, unless it's engineered incorrectly, it's impossible to seat the magnetic charger backwards. One side will never seat correctly onto the pin.
subhani said:
Negatives:
No warning that upside down fitment can burn the internals.
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Uh, the ability to fit the thing upside down would seem to be a rather serious defect, particularly if it can damage the phone when it's done??
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Uh, the ability to fit the thing upside down would seem to be a rather serious defect, particularly if it can damage the phone when it's done??
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Agreed my friend. Thanks for the correction
EDIT: I have tried charging another Z3 using the cable upside down and realised that actually only ONE of the two metal points make ANY contact, the other simply doesn't slot in. I'm guessing that was by design by Sony. So it isn't really a con. I will update the OP.
Very nice review, I have ordered the cable not adapter from Amazon.
I have a question. I am yet to receive my Sony Z3C and I understand I have to give it full charge/discharge cycles for the first 4-5 times so that the battery can hold its charge properly.
Would using the magnetic charger be the same as using the micro USB charger?
As I don't want to mess up my battery, and if the magnetic charger will interfere with the first few charge cycles then I can charge the phone with Micro USB for the first few charges before I start using the magnetic charger.
wolf0491 said:
I just bought the adapter. Works pretty good. I have a 6 foot USB I use haha.
I does come off rather easy when sitting it some things like my bed. Can't use it in my car at all. But luckily I never need charg phone in car!
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What do you mean you can't use it in the car?
Even if the phone is in a cup holder or something to hold it stationary?
Hi,
Can someone please tell the size of the cable?
I am wondering wether to buy the cable or an adapter, depending on its length.
Thanks.
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I have a question. I am yet to receive my Sony Z3C and I understand I have to give it full charge/discharge cycles for the first 4-5 times so that the battery can hold its charge properly.
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This is not true. Lithium-Ion batteries do not require a "break-in" or "formatting", instead you should do at least one full charge, then full discharge and full charge again to calibrate the battery's controller. It will measure the current flow over time and set the levels for full and empty charge, so that your phone shuts off at exactly 0% and displays 100% when the battery is actually full. (There is no risk for overcharging if it's improperly calibrated though, it will just show 99% for a very long time or suddenly jump from a lower value to 100%.)
In essence, don't worry about messing up your battery. Do a 100%-0%-100% cycle at one time where you keep the charger plugged in while it's charging, maybe keep it attached even for another 20 minutes after it reached 100%. Then your battery will be calibrated perfectly and you can use it as normal. And it doesn't matter at all if you use the magnetic or USB charger.
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I bought BOTH the adapter and wired versions from Amazon. Will probably update or create my own thread for those interested to see the differences.
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This is not true. Lithium-Ion batteries do not require a "break-in" or "formatting", instead you should do at least one full charge, then full discharge and full charge again to calibrate the battery's controller. It will measure the current flow over time and set the levels for full and empty charge, so that your phone shuts off at exactly 0% and displays 100% when the battery is actually full. (There is no risk for overcharging if it's improperly calibrated though, it will just show 99% for a very long time or suddenly jump from a lower value to 100%.)
In essence, don't worry about messing up your battery. Do a 100%-0%-100% cycle at one time where you keep the charger plugged in while it's charging, maybe keep it attached even for another 20 minutes after it reached 100%. Then your battery will be calibrated perfectly and you can use it as normal. And it doesn't matter at all if you use the magnetic or USB charger.[/]
Thanks a lot for clearing that up for me. That's easy.
It's so easy to get confused when a lot of people are giving different info.
Now I can put my mind at rest. So it's a full charge, then discharge fully and finally charge it fullt and I'm done.
Thanks again
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Anyone notice using the magnector X adapter that when you plug or unplug it from your phone while you have a browser open (chrome in my case) that it refreshes the browser page? Seems really odd. However when I plug the power directly to the micro usb port, it doesn't do this. Anyone experience this and if so, is there a reason this happens?
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Anyone notice using the magnector X adapter that when you plug or unplug it from your phone while you have a browser open (chrome in my case) that it refreshes the browser page? Seems really odd. However when I plug the power directly to the micro usb port, it doesn't do this. Anyone experience this and if so, is there a reason this happens?
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Maybe it's got something to do with the phone going in to dock mode when the magnetic charger is connected. I'm sure someone who knows more will be able to help you.
I believe you are correct. I dont see a way to disable this in settings. Not really an issue for me
Yes it's entering on dock mode when you plug in the magnetic cable. It can disable only with the help of xposed framework (which requires root) and unfortunately not yet available for us. Hope to have root for locked bootloader soon
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Charger that comes with this phone is just labeled fast charge... Phone seems to charge pretty slow also from what I see.
i just installed some dual 2.4A usb outlets in my house they charge very fast from 8% to 100% in about an hour, considering the Amperage on the stock charger is 1.8A it doesn't seem like it would be enough to use the phone while charging.
I havent used the stock charger yet but mine reads it puts out [email protected] 1.8amps or [email protected] 1.8amps. I am waiting for my battery to get really low so i can see how fast it will charge.
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When the OEM charger is plugged in, swipe down and you can see it says it's being fast charged.
When plugged in, my screen does say Quick Charge, and my phone charged rather fast, but still getting used to it. Even when I had my phone plugged into a normal new USB C plugged directly into my usb outlet, it seemed to charge much faster than I was expecting.
Yes I understand it says fast charging, so does the quick charge 2.0 with this phone, but is it actually charging at QC 3.0 speeds??
It seems silly they would make a Quick Charge 3.0 phone and not supply the relevant charger.
I ordered an aftermarket QC 3.0 charger, I guess I can do some comparisons when it shows up.
Anker makes a very nice Quick Charge 3.0 charger.
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I got this one, it's half the price. Will be here today.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015ZJKWFS/ref=ya_st_dp_summary
jrwingate6 said:
Anker makes a very nice Quick Charge 3.0 charger.
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They didn't give a qc2.0 charger with g4
turbodroid said:
I got this one, it's half the price. Will be here today.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015ZJKWFS/ref=ya_st_dp_summary
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I performed a test with the aftermarket QC 3.0 charger linked above and the one supplied with the phone. I drained to 90% and as soon as it hit 90 I plugged it in and started the timer. The results are nearly identical in how fast 100% charge was achieved.
The first screenshot of total time was the aftermarket charger and the 2nd is the factory charger. I would venture to guess based on these results, the factory charger is QC 3.0, but you can draw your own conclusions.
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Well if the stock charger says 9V @ 1.8A and 5V @ 1.8A, then it's not true QC 3.0 as that uses voltages from 5V - 20V.
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I got this one, it's half the price. Will be here today.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015ZJKWFS/ref=ya_st_dp_summary
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There only will be a minimal effect because the original charger has a 9V and 1.8A = 16W rating.
All Aftermarket charger with QC 3.0 had a maximum reading of 18W, 9V at 2A or 12v at 1.5A.
And you can't do a comparison at the last 10%percent of the charging process, because of of the method that's just to charge lithium battery's.
Lithium-ion battery see charge and discharge
Around the last 10% will be constant voltage where the charger has minimal influence. Because the internal resistance of the battery cause the amount of power that goes in the battery.
Ca you do another test with larger charge?
Before any of you rush out and buy a cheap charger to save a few bucks I'd think twice about it. I have been screwed by cheap chargers on more than one occasion which is why I refuse to buy them anymore.
I've had them stop working after a couple weeks and many of them made a very annoying noise. Some made a high pitch squealing noise while just sitting there doing nothing and others made the noise while charging.
Slow and Fast
I noticed it charged VERY slow at first while i was using the phone at the same time. I notoced the charger wasnt even slighty warm to the touch after 30+ minutes. That made me think and noticed if I left the phone at rest without turning it on it charges much quicker and the charger got warm quick. And the charger actually cools down if you start using it half way through a charge.
*I took a screen shot of the battery usage graph, but I'm new so I can't post photos yet so you'll have to trust me lol
My rough estimates are that if you are using the phone while charging it will take just over 2 hours, but if you don't touch it then it charges in under 50 minutes.
Mind you phones battery temperature also effects the charge rate, is if you have it on top of a pillow it might not charge as quick.
You don't wanna use the phone while it quick charges. Turn screen off for an hour and it will be done
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Dude how are you basing charging speeds from 90% to 100%.../
The charger that came with the G5 is the same charger that came with my v10, it is only Quick Charge 2.0, I have compared the model #'s and they are exactly the same. I have gone on amazon and ordered a Anker Quick Charge 3.0 plug and a couple of their USB-C cables.
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I just contacted LG through their website via E-Mail regarding the Quick Charge 3.0 charger, I will follow-up once I receive an email back from them. The website advised that I should receive an email within 24 hours.
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There only will be a minimal effect because the original charger has a 9V and 1.8A = 16W rating.
All Aftermarket charger with QC 3.0 had a maximum reading of 18W, 9V at 2A or 12v at 1.5A.
And you can't do a comparison at the last 10%percent of the charging process, because of of the method that's just to charge lithium battery's.
Lithium-ion battery see charge and discharge
Around the last 10% will be constant voltage where the charger has minimal influence. Because the internal resistance of the battery cause the amount of power that goes in the battery.
Ca you do another test with larger charge?
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I have drained to 50% and am performing the same test with the factory charger now. Will update results later this evening so I can repeat with the aftermarket charger.
evobyte said:
Dude how are you basing charging speeds from 90% to 100%.../
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It's a wonder why anyone tries to share information on this site with comments like this. Since you probably only skimmed over what I posted, I said feel free to draw your own conclusions and that it was a 'quick test'.
When the phone gets to 80 % the other 20% go pretty slow, might even be similar to the QC 2.0... But 50% to 100% would be a good test, and we can see if there's a difference
Own 2 Belkin BoostUp 5W chargers that I've used successfully with s21u and s22u since I prefer low and slow overnight charging for battery health. I've had these phones in the past 3 months unfortunately because they've been used and returned due to a defective issue and now in the hands of S23u and hope to keep it lol
Chargers illuminate white and indicate charging on the phone. I ran Ampere as well and it read up to 350mA before it goes orange and refuses charge. It strangely works another 7.5w Insignia charger without issue(800mA). Anyone else encountered this? Is Samsung now starting to exclude very low wattage wireless chargers in hopes that people will buy their chargers? How very environmentally conscientious of them! Hope there's a way to modify this
Buy a proper charger and drop those BoostUps off at the recycling depot.
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Own 2 Belkin BoostUp 5W chargers that I've used successfully with s21u and s22u since I prefer low and slow overnight charging for battery health.
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Ive been charging my Note 20 5G with the 25W fast charging, since I bought it late 2020. I get all of maybe 10 minutes less max screen time, than I got in 2020. And thats probably just margin of error.
Ive charged every Samsung device Ive owned, at their maximum rated wattage, since my S2.
You will have the overall same experience from a L-ION battery, unless you charge it at higher amps than its rated for (which you cant do with any major company's cell phone/tablet/OEM charger).
I dont know where you got that incorrect idea from, but a 25-45W charging speed for the S23 will not degrade a healthy battery.
If it does, warranty it.
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Ive charged every Samsung device Ive owned, at their maximum rated wattage, since my S2.
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Not on an S2 you didn't. I recall they maxed out at 650ma charging. Man, good memories
That official 2000mah extended battery took a good while to top up from low...
Yesterday took 5h10 min to charge it with apple 5W charger...
stupid fck samsung with ''save the planet'' You need 3 parcels + 3 delivery + 3 packaging + 3 everything to complete a 1900$ phone .
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Not on an S2 you didn't. I recall they maxed out at 650ma charging. Man, good memories
That official 2000mah extended battery took a good while to top up from low...
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650MA is its maximum rated wattage that I didnt charge it at?
Log off, ya done
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650MA is its maximum rated wattage that I didnt charge it at?
Log off, ya done
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I'm sorry?
asrah said:
Ive been charging my Note 20 5G with the 25W fast charging, since I bought it late 2020. I get all of maybe 10 minutes less max screen time, than I got in 2020. And thats probably just margin of error.
Ive charged every Samsung device Ive owned, at their maximum rated wattage, since my S2.
You will have the overall same experience from a L-ION battery, unless you charge it at higher amps than its rated for (which you cant do with any major company's cell phone/tablet/OEM charger).
I dont know where you got that incorrect idea from, but a 25-45W charging speed for the S23 will not degrade a healthy battery.
If it does, warranty it.
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25-45W *wired* charging is perfectly fine due to the efficient transfer of power. Wireless charging at 15w will generate significantly more heat and will require an active fan to cool it. Heat will still be generated and that long term applies more wear to the battery. This has been known for a while which is why i wireless charge at lower wattages. Wired charging I send the full 45w. I intend on keeping this device for several years.
I've been using 100W rated magnetic connectors for a couple of years now. They offer the convenience of wireless charging without the heat related issues.
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I've been using 100W rated magnetic connectors for a couple of years now. They offer the convenience of wireless charging without the heat related issues.
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Any down side?
I haven't encountered any. They keep your C-port free of debris and cut down on wear and tear. I've got 2 wireless 15 watt chargers collecting dust now from lack of use.
This is the type I use: USB C Magnetic Adapter
I sourced them from Ali express for 1/3 the price.
hand-filer said:
I haven't encountered any. They keep your C-port free of debris and cut down on wear and tear. I've got 2 wireless 15 watt chargers collecting dust now from lack of use.
This is the type I use: USB C Magnetic Adapter
I sourced them from Ali express for 1/3 the price.
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Do you use a case? Any incompatibility?
I have a Belkin TrueFreedom wireless charger and a Samsung Charging Pad. Both of these do slow 5W 'overnight' charging when I turn off Wireless Fast Charge in the Settings, and both of them do 10W charging when I turn on Wireless Fast Charge. Battery temperature never exceeds 34C when using these (checked via GSAM). Still love the convenience of wireless charging overnight, with the option of wired charging when I need it.
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Do you use a case? Any incompatibility?
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I use a case; dbrand Grip in this image. No compatibility issues with it, Spigen, UAG or any of the 1/2 dozen other brands that I cycled through with the previous S22 Ultra. FWIW, I settled on the Grip Case for the S23U. It's by far the best of them all.