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According to the boys over at Androidpolice (who do a great job tearing through code) Google apparently has big plans going forward.
One of users biggest issues with Android has always been updates, getting manufactures to issue updates is hard enough but when you add carriers on top of that (mankind's closest approximation to pure evil) it becomes an incredible headache to get ANY update.
Google solution: cut them both out of the loop. Here's how... Several years ago they began decoupling the core pieces of Android so they could be updated outside of interference from the Playstore. Apps such as Calendar, YouTube, Gmail, Google+, etc. What this does is it allows Google to update and iterate much faster. There have been several major updates to Google+ and YouTube for example in just the last 9 MONTHS. It looks like that trend will continue as even more pieces will be decoupled in a few weeks (Dialer, messaging, Camera, and gallery) but that Android itself will be decoupled as LAUNCHER.
GAME. CHANGER.
Now understand there is still underlying base code that if Google wanted to change would either have to be submitted or just rolled out with new phones but Google has positioned themselves to make that irrelevant. What people care about is the front facing, user EXPERIENCE. What we see when we are using the phone itself. THIS is what Android is to most people.
If this can now be changed independent of interference, if user interface changes can be tweaked and modified on Google's timetable now instead of someone else's, if users will have the ability to run "Stock" Android on any phone then this is not hyperbole it really is a game changer.
Thoughts?
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...re-some-things-we-are-expecting-to-see-in-it/
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interesting , thanks:good:
so according to my understanding, 4.4 will have 2 operating layers..
the first layer is for pure google enviroment for google updates and google apps, while the second layer is for 3rd party apps or OEM skins..
am i right?
Sort of. There will be a base code which underlies everything as it does now. On this you can build Touchwiz, LGs Optimus skin or whatever.
The core Google Apps will be updated, as they are now, from the Google playstore.
In addition Androids interface itself, the part you see and touch, will be able to be updated in the Google playstore. Think a launcher like Nova or apex but with deeper integration and smoother running.
Now Google will be able to tweak and modify without interference multiple times a year if it so chooses.
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Sort of. There will be a base code which underlies everything as it does now. On this you can build Touchwiz, LGs Optimus skin or whatever.
The core Google Apps will be updated, as they are now, from the Google playstore.
In addition Androids interface itself, the part you see and touch, will be able to be updated in the Google playstore. Think a launcher like Nova or apex but with deeper integration and smoother running.
Now Google will be able to tweak and modify without interference multiple times a year if it so chooses.
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finally less hardware dependance
I'm glad to see all the core apps starting to be independently released through the play store for faster updates. One way to by pass slow OEM update processes.
Some misinformation here. This is not Android, as a whole, going to the playstore - its just the launcher. Not to mention this is purely speculation anyways. The launcher is simply the home screen. Its just another apk that sits in /system/app just like the core gapps all do. This does NOT affect anything more than the home screen and app drawer. This definitely would not streamline Google updates either. The main chunks of Android still sit in the framework .jars and other key system packages that can't just be decoupled and packaged for download in the Play Store. Sure, if they wanted to update how the home screen or app drawer looks or works they can just push an update to the Play Store. Anything more than that, though, and they still have to go through the same current process for updating.
Yeah I see how you could read it that way. My intent was that the interface itself will be in the launcher.
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Yea there is no way that would work, too many different phones and manufacturers, if it was that simple we could flash any rom from any phone. Unfortunately there will never be a speed up on the manufacturer level not until there was massive protest and or loss of sales for them, and the carriers plane and simple dont care about the end users at all, thats why we have the awesome developers here to do what the carriers and manufacturers refuse to do. But yes its pretty sad when we as a community are using a fully working rom months hell sometimes almost a year before an actual update comes out. Sucks even more if your a Verizon customer and they can push an exploit patch out within days of a phones release yet want to sit on a full os update for months on end and AT&T just plain dont care if your junk gets an update or not.
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Yea there is no way that would work, too many different phones and manufacturers, if it was that simple we could flash any rom from any phone. Unfortunately there will never be a speed up on the manufacturer level not until there was massive protest and or loss of sales for them, and the carriers plane and simple dont care about the end users at all, thats why we have the awesome developers here to do what the carriers and manufacturers refuse to do. But yes its pretty sad when we as a community are using a fully working rom months hell sometimes almost a year before an actual update comes out. Sucks even more if your a Verizon customer and they can push an exploit patch out within days of a phones release yet want to sit on a full os update for months on end and AT&T just plain dont care if your junk gets an update or not.
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Some misinformation here. This is not Android, as a whole, going to the playstore - its just the launcher. Not to mention this is purely speculation anyways. The launcher is simply the home screen. Its just another apk that sits in /system/app just like the core gapps all do. This does NOT affect anything more than the home screen and app drawer. This definitely would not streamline Google updates either. The main chunks of Android still sit in the framework .jars and other key system packages that can't just be decoupled and packaged for download in the Play Store. Sure, if they wanted to update how the home screen or app drawer looks or works they can just push an update to the Play Store. Anything more than that, though, and they still have to go through the same current process for updating.
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Both of you are right. But also..parts of your comments are wrong. You can hide other stuff in a launcher. Just because it's labeled as a launcher, doesn't mean OTHER apps can be integrated. Look at G+ it used to have the messenger and the G+app. (SAME app, just a short cut) and launchers from 3rd party developers sit in data/app(doesn't matter just trying not to confuse people) and lastly the" main chunks" Are not necessarily ALL framework changes. A lot of the big updates, really are JUST apps. EVEN as a developer you can see about half of the big features are apps. And now..sorry, I don't mean to be rude, DaT Franchise. But the first sentence in your comment is...well completely,COMPLETELY wrong as far as apps go, one app can work on *ALL* phones if it is developed properly. Notice,you can take any gmail.apk and install it on any phone..any screen size...any hardware that runs android. Nova launcher,one app that works on all (4.0 and up) devices. Sure. The "android launcher" May only be available on 4.0 and up. If I'm wrong let me know. If I offended. Anyone let me know. I do not mean to offend
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I know the difference between an apk and the os itself and not to be rude myself but if your statement is correct then i should be able to pull the lockscreen apk and jar mod them and use it on my HTC one or vice versa but it doesn't work that way because of the system ui itself as a whole, and depending oh how deeply it is integrated into the system as in i can push and run the optimus g launcher on my HTC and Note2 but i cant push and use the HTC launcher on my G or my note2. And i am no developer but im pretty sure cooking a good rom is a lot more then updating a few apks, and again if it was that simple we would all be enjoying a fully 100% working CM 10.2 rom right now.
What Google is doing is making the launcher itself available like gmail and YouTube. So they will simply recode the launcher (which will be launcher 3) so it can be its own app.
As it stands now, any Google system apps see their update go to data/app anyway so that the update can be uninstalled if the update causes issues. (If you're rooted, delete the system app for say, hangouts, and it will still be usable and in your app drawer because you didn't delete the update that sits in data/app. Plus hangouts relies on no framework files to run)
I believe this is the route Google is going with the launcher since it doesn't rely on framework jars to run now
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I know the difference between an apk and the os itself and not to be rude myself but if your statement is correct then i should be able to pull the lockscreen apk and jar mod them and use it on my HTC one or vice versa but it doesn't work that way because of the system ui itself as a whole, and depending oh how deeply it is integrated into the system as in i can push and run the optimus g launcher on my HTC and Note2 but i cant push and use the HTC launcher on my G or my note2. And i am no developer but im pretty sure cooking a good rom is a lot more then updating a few apks, and again if it was that simple we would all be enjoying a fully 100% working CM 10.2 rom right now.
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That is different though, you CAN use the stock aosp launcher on any phone, htc,lg Samsung and the rest don't like other phones looking like theirs...so they integrate literally EVERYTHING into their framework. And I completely understand where you're coming from. And as far as roms go, I (as a beginning developer...I've built a couple roms..nothing groundbreaking) know it's more than that. Like I said in my comment, I said SOME of the features are apps. In NO WAY can you completely update android through apps. There are changes in framework And system files.
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I would rather they decoupled the OS from the hardware layer altogether. Just a launcher wont bring in the goodies.
have manufacturers only provide hardware driver updates will solve almost all vomplaining about slow update cycles.
There is another, rather nefarious set of effects that result from those changes.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ntrolling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/
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About google decoupling apps from android, read this: arstechnica DOT com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/
make sure to replace DOT with . - can't post links
Thoughts = um.............AWESOME!!!! That is all.
Hangouts with sms is great along with the other updated apps, but damn I love the Google Experience launcher. Way less options than nova or apex, but the always-on hotword detection on homescreens is great. Just wondering if anyone else here is trying them out?
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Hangouts with sms is great along with the other updated apps, but damn I love the Google Experience launcher. Way less options than nova or apex, but the always-on hotword detection on homescreens is great. Just wondering if anyone else here is trying them out?
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i think i installed 90% of them, so far so good. i cant wait for our phone to have it.
Apparently CM will continue to focus on 4.3 builds, so I don't expect a CM11 anytime soon. Knowing our luck with this device, we'll probably have issues with kit kat builds anyway. Still, the launcher and hangouts are pretty badass. It's just a shame there's no official support for icon packs with stock launchers. I have to use an xposed module to use my icon pack of choice on this new launcher and I sometimes feel like it slightly slows the device down.
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They're over seas right now at the Oppo factory. Steve is normally the one that merges the new source. Give it a few months, well see test builds.
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I had most of the 4.4 .APKs (including the launcher and Google Now) installed on my cm10.2 build for the past day or so, but today I experienced the crash/bootloop scenario that's been plaguing the nightly builds lately; after a forced reboot, all the 4.4 apps were gone, and since I had frozen Trebuchet in TiBU, I was without a launcher and had to restore a NAND backup. Was I supposed to lock all the 4.4 apps into the system folder or something?
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I had most of the 4.4 .APKs (including the launcher and Google Now) installed on my cm10.2 build for the past day or so, but today I experienced the crash/bootloop scenario that's been plaguing the nightly builds lately; after a forced reboot, all the 4.4 apps were gone, and since I had frozen Trebuchet in TiBU, I was without a launcher and had to restore a NAND backup. Was I supposed to lock all the 4.4 apps into the system folder or something?
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I don't know why they would disappear but you could have enabled trebuchet without restoring. You could have accessed the settings through quick settings, went to the apps section, found trebuchet and hit enable. Also, there's no reason to freeze it. Once you switch to a different launcher and reboot, none of your other installed launchers will run. Just for future reference.
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I don't know why they would disappear but you could have enabled trebuchet without restoring. You could have accessed the settings through quick settings, went to the apps section, found trebuchet and hit enable. Also, there's no reason to freeze it. Once you switch to a different launcher and reboot, none of your other installed launchers will run. Just for future reference.
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Settings was even crashing upon opening; it was incredibly odd. As for the freezing, I and many others who installed the 4.4 launcher were experiencing the default launcher setting not sticking even after setting it to the 4.4 launcher; freezing Trebuchet (the only other one I had installed) fixed this. But that obviously didn't work out so well for me...
Which thread are you getting the apk files from?
Anyone installed the new launcher from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506488
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Which thread are you getting the apk files from?
Anyone installed the new launcher from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506488
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I browse /r/Android on reddit often, and people were going nuts posting links to all the apks. I'm sure they're all over the internet by now.
But yes, that's the launcher I'm running. It's so limited in features compared to others, but it really does everything I need. Some people don't seem to like the google now to the left of the main homescreen, but I'm digging it.
I'm really hoping for kit kat to make it's way to our device though. I saw there's a CM11 branch, but who knows what kind of code needs updating and/or compatibility issues.
Do you need to be rooted to do this I keep getting a parsing error
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Checking it out myself, thanks to your thread, however after installing the apks I somehow seem to have broken the "okay Google" feature. Google search updated itself and all after installation but even if I choose search manually now it still won't respond to the command.
Your right tho, the launcher is simple but works well. The only thing I don't care for is the constant Google search box on the home screen especially when all you have to do is say the command and it goes straight there.
nexus 5/ kit kat is tits guys
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nexus 5/ kit kat is tits guys
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I'm rocking the moto x for the last couple weeks. Really a great phone and updated to kit Kat on Verizon so damn fast was really a shocker.
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CM11 Alpha for the INC4G
You've got to check out Cyanogenmod 11 for our device. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2552150 I had to flash the updated Recovery but I have had no issues so far. There's a fair bit in 4.4 that you don't get from the base Kit Kat apps that you can install for 4.1 and up.
CM 11 nightly
I've been using the nightly from 12-26 and it is 4.4.2 I have had no issues at all, and it seems to be running smooth. Battery is draining pretty well, but it does in any rom due to the lack of signal from my house. I'm at the office now, running wifi and it seems to be draining less.
https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/mantaray-lmy47d-factory-63eade7f.tgz
Have fun!
Hm, it's been sitting on "sending bootloader" for a while now. Should I be worried?
So far feeling very good and fast, nice update
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Hm, it's been sitting on "sending bootloader" for a while now. Should I be worried?
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Welp, doing it over on a different port and cable seems to have handled it.
Flashed it.
Might be placebo but it seems much smoother.
Also the recent bug is fixed and the toggles in the Account Sync have been changed.
Images flashed......"optimizing app 98 of 154" so first 5.1 boot should be soon.
Anybody tested this bug?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-10/help/android-5-0-sound-problem-charging-t2939672
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Flashed it.
Might be placebo but it seems much smoother.
Also the recent bug is fixed and the toggles in the Account Sync have been changed.
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What about wifi performance and the audio bug wile/straight after charging/docked?
I don't understand what the bug is. I never experienced it before, but I can try to replicate it in 5.1 if you explain what I am supposed to do clearly.
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I don't understand what the bug is. I never experienced it before, but I can try to replicate it in 5.1 if you explain what I am supposed to do clearly.
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What I got is, sometimes when starting the N10 while charging, there is no sound at all, and I have to reboot the N10 without charging to get the sound back.
I tried with 5.1 and so far, 5-6 times, no bug, but as I said is only happening sometimes before...
Audio Bug Squashed?
It looks like 5.1 has fixed the audio bug. It has for me at least.
Anyone experience lag when pulling the notification tray on the home screen?
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Anyone experience lag when pulling the notification tray on the home screen?
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Using the default Launcher3, not really. The Google Launcher lags when pulling down the tray, and lags all other animations for that matter. It always has since 4.4, but I put up with it because I like the GEL. It doesn't lag anywhere else thankfully, so it's your call.
On March 10th I did a factory image update to 5.1 but did not wipe user data on both my Nexus 10 and 5.. At least for me, this is the best version of Lollipop I've experienced.
My Nexus 10 was more stable than my Nexus 5 on any 5.0.x release but it seems that all the issues I'd been experiencing are resolved. On 5.0.x my Nexus 5 experienced the memory leak causing UI slow downs, odd reboots, total freezes needing power cycles and frequent disconnects of both WiFi and my cell network.
Android 5.1.0 did break the K9 email reader but that was fixed this morning and Jota+ SMB support currently is not functioning. On the Nexus 10 my battery stats still does not update always showing 100% charge even when its been off the charger for hours. Its been like that for a long time including with KitKat.
I am rooted and use a number of app beta versions including Nova Launcher, GMD Gesture Control and GMD Auto Hide Software keys, Viper4Android and they all worked before and after the OS update. That is a little surprising as previous Lollipop 5.0.x updates had broken more apps when they were first released. For the first time in a long time MX Player Pro still worked after an OS upgrade.
This was what the Lollipop release should have been. I'm happy especially as my Nexus 5 is as reliable as it was with KitKat.
That's great. Smooth
My 5.02 Nexus got an OTA to 5.1 last night (I'm in the UK). Everything seems fine and I am really happy that I have a tablet that is still supported.
Alan
Is anyone getting a screen freeze? Basically the screen just freezes but the unit seems OK ie it's not a system crash. It needs resetting to work again.
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Is anyone getting a screen freeze? Basically the screen just freezes but the unit seems OK ie it's not a system crash. It needs resetting to work again.
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Sometimes, but always related with Chrome playing videos.
Hi.
I have narrowed it down to when i bring up google search with the swipe up gesture. Once on google search the screen becomes unresponsive. But a can reboot by pressing the power button and choosing 'reboot now'. I may try and reinstall it.
This only started happening with 5.1.
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I have narrowed it down to when i bring up google search with the swipe up gesture.
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In my case I have that feature replaced by a more useful one: a handy launcher:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...store&pcampaignid=APPU_1_cw0YVbWgJ8XTU_77gYgP
It never freezes.
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
Seems pretty solid but we won't know for a while!
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
Try looking in the forum, about three posts down in the "Killing apps" thread
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
Not so far but, it looks pretty easy to clean the dust away
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Power management is a B*&CH. See the same thread about "Killing Apps"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-X/help/killing-apps-screen-off-arghh-t3818105
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- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
Seems pretty solid but we won't know for a while!
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
Try looking in the forum, about three posts down in the "Killing apps" thread
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
Not so far but, it looks pretty easy to clean the dust away
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Power management is a B*&CH. See the same thread about "Killing Apps"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-X/help/killing-apps-screen-off-arghh-t3818105
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Thanks a lot for the response. I have used ColorOS recently (Oppo Realme 1) and the Background app management was too aggressive.
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Thanks a lot for the response. I have used ColorOS recently (Oppo Realme 1) and the Background app management was too aggressive.
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Yeah, it's on some sort of power trip (literally, in both senses of the phrase). That said, if you read through the thread i created, following a firmware upgrade yesterday and after a "settling period" things have been almost faultless today. My phone has been faultless and even thrown in a couple of reboots to challenge it and still been OK. My last problem of Gmail being forced to drop to 15 minute syncs instead of Push also seems to have resolved itself.
Now, i'm not sure if this is some sort of OS learning which apps I use, the firmware or just plain luck (or a combo) but, i'm now very happy with the device.
If you want your own launcher, it is entirely possible, as is removing the bloat (i'm running Nova) and there is no need to register with Oppo either. The link to achieve that is also in the thread I linked to.
I have no idea about battery life as when I'm at work it sits in a dock and then when i'm at home, it's also mostly in a dock so, battery life isn't really a concern but, i guess I'll find out this weekend!
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I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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1: The mechanism feels very durable, and 95% of the time the camera pops up fast. I have encountered 5% of time when the camera would pop up but the camera app takes an additional second or two to load.
2: nope. Unable to use nova launcher unless you into adb and do all types of advanced phone geek thing or something.
3: there's noticeable dust on my camera module but doesn't seem to be a big deal.
The big issue with this phone you should take note is, like many Chinese roms, push notifications are delayed or broken if the app has been closed or in background too long. There is a work around for this -- you have to go to settings and turn battery optimization off AND lock the app in the app overview window. This is of course, not ideal and annoying as hell. Currently I only have crucial "must get notifications on time" apps locked, such as whatsapp, wechat and Gmail. So for the most part I can use the phone fine. But I do miss all other notifications such as airbnb messages, Facebook messages, LinkedIn messages, until I open those apps again. I could lock all of them down too, but I don't want to have like seven apps running in background at all times.
This is a problem with many Chinese version of Chinese phones. I don't know why they think battery optimization so aggressive it kills notifications is a good thing.
prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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1) Stock Android provides for incoming notifications to be seamless (automatic by default, individual 3rd party app settings may be different by default, but, can be easily toggled on). Oppo has severe restrictions on this, limiting to 5 user installed apps to start automatically on boot & 5 apps total to be locked in recent memory.
So, a high horsepower phone is basically muzzled, if you can deal with the angst of wondering if you're going to get timely notifications...... Perhaps if you use the stock email & messaging apps, these will likely work, but, I would steer clear of those....
2) No NFC, so, no tap to pay apps will work.
3) No VoLTE, no VoWI-FI
4) No status bar notification icons, no LED notification indicator.
5) If you use T-Mobile Digits & it isn't a top 5 protected app/one of your precious 5 to auto start on boot, it will log you out of the app on reboot & it will not work until you set it up again, resulting in missed messages & phone calls.
6) 3rd party clock apps: Again, if it's not a protected top 5 app, it will not keep proper time, resulting in missed alarms..... The stock clock works, but, it is a bare bones app at best, no snooze adjustment, locked into 5 minutes, SERIOUSLY?
7) Ad Blockers will work, but, intermittently, again, the top 5 protected app thing & even then, Oppo will kill it off at some point, resulting in having to restart the blocking.
8) If you choose to use a 3rd party launcher, you again lose some functionality. I use Chrome & frequently place shortcuts on my desktop from it.
NOT ON THIS PHONE, another swing & a miss....
9) Bluetooth devices:
Generally they work fine,but,if the device has a companion app,prepare for it (the app) to not work properly.
Example(s):
I have a pair of Jabra Elite Active 65t earbuds,pair-up & work fine,but,the companion app will not work,as it requires a plug-in app to fuel it. These various "plug-in" apps are typical & the companion apps work fine elsewhere,but,not on this phone.
Reason being,the "plug-in" app does not have a user interface,so,you cannot make the app a top 5 protected app to gain functionality,it simply won't work at all.
Ditto for smartwatches such as the Samsung line-up, for the same reason,no notifications,worked one day for me & broken the next,before & after the most recent Oppo update. That results in the Samsung smartwatch getting a lobotomy,only able to keep time & nothing more.
10) Package tracking apps:
Again,the top 5 protected thing,no timely updates & even then,mine simply did not refresh automatically,had to be done manually.
I could go on, but, in a nutshell, you're forced to make sacrifices as soon as you start using the phone. If this was a entry level/low storage/low RAM device, that's one thing.
But, it's not, basically a Lamborghini running on two cylinders, that's not what I paid for & why I sold mine 5 days after the most frustrating phone experience I've ever seen....
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Monty Burns said:
Yeah, it's on some sort of power trip (literally, in both senses of the phrase). That said, if you read through the thread i created, following a firmware upgrade yesterday and after a "settling period" things have been almost faultless today. My phone has been faultless and even thrown in a couple of reboots to challenge it and still been OK. My last problem of Gmail being forced to drop to 15 minute syncs instead of Push also seems to have resolved itself.
Now, i'm not sure if this is some sort of OS learning which apps I use, the firmware or just plain luck (or a combo) but, i'm now very happy with the device.
If you want your own launcher, it is entirely possible, as is removing the bloat (i'm running Nova) and there is no need to register with Oppo either. The link to achieve that is also in the thread I linked to.
I have no idea about battery life as when I'm at work it sits in a dock and then when i'm at home, it's also mostly in a dock so, battery life isn't really a concern but, i guess I'll find out this weekend!
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That's very reassuring for me. Are you able to view the screen on time in this device? (Dunno why colorOS hides that).
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1: The mechanism feels very durable, and 95% of the time the camera pops up fast. I have encountered 5% of time when the camera would pop up but the camera app takes an additional second or two to load.
2: nope. Unable to use nova launcher unless you into adb and do all types of advanced phone geek thing or something.
3: there's noticeable dust on my camera module but doesn't seem to be a big deal.
The big issue with this phone you should take note is, like many Chinese roms, push notifications are delayed or broken if the app has been closed or in background too long. There is a work around for this -- you have to go to settings and turn battery optimization off AND lock the app in the app overview window. This is of course, not ideal and annoying as hell. Currently I only have crucial "must get notifications on time" apps locked, such as whatsapp, wechat and Gmail. So for the most part I can use the phone fine. But I do miss all other notifications such as airbnb messages, Facebook messages, LinkedIn messages, until I open those apps again. I could lock all of them down too, but I don't want to have like seven apps running in background at all times.
This is a problem with many Chinese version of Chinese phones. I don't know why they think battery optimization so aggressive it kills notifications is a good thing.
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Thanks for the response. Hope backgeound app management better with the Global ROM.
The international version goes on sale in India and the Philippines today. We should soon get an idea of what the phone is capable of when it isn't hobbled by the oppressive Chinese firmware.
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1) Stock Android provides for incoming notifications to be seamless (automatic by default, individual 3rd party app settings may be different by default, but, can be easily toggled on). Oppo has severe restrictions on this, limiting to 5 user installed apps to start automatically on boot & 5 apps total to be locked in recent memory.
So, a high horsepower phone is basically muzzled, if you can deal with the angst of wondering if you're going to get timely notifications...... Perhaps if you use the stock email & messaging apps, these will likely work, but, I would steer clear of those....
2) No NFC, so, no tap to pay apps will work.
3) No VoLTE, no VoWI-FI
4) No status bar notification icons, no LED notification indicator.
5) If you use T-Mobile Digits & it isn't a top 5 protected app/one of your precious 5 to auto start on boot, it will log you out of the app on reboot & it will not work until you set it up again, resulting in missed messages & phone calls.
6) 3rd party clock apps: Again, if it's not a protected top 5 app, it will not keep proper time, resulting in missed alarms..... The stock clock works, but, it is a bare bones app at best, no snooze adjustment, locked into 5 minutes, SERIOUSLY?
7) Ad Blockers will work, but, intermittently, again, the top 5 protected app thing & even then, Oppo will kill it off at some point, resulting in having to restart the blocking.
8) If you choose to use a 3rd party launcher, you again lose some functionality. I use Chrome & frequently place shortcuts on my desktop from it.
NOT ON THIS PHONE, another swing & a miss....
9) Bluetooth devices:
Generally they work fine,but,if the device has a companion app,prepare for it (the app) to not work properly.
Example(s):
I have a pair of Jabra Elite Active 65t earbuds,pair-up & work fine,but,the companion app will not work,as it requires a plug-in app to fuel it. These various "plug-in" apps are typical & the companion apps work fine elsewhere,but,not on this phone.
Reason being,the "plug-in" app does not have a user interface,so,you cannot make the app a top 5 protected app to gain functionality,it simply won't work at all.
Ditto for smartwatches such as the Samsung line-up, for the same reason,no notifications,worked one day for me & broken the next,before & after the most recent Oppo update. That results in the Samsung smartwatch getting a lobotomy,only able to keep time & nothing more.
10) Package tracking apps:
Again,the top 5 protected thing,no timely updates & even then,mine simply did not refresh automatically,had to be done manually.
I could go on, but, in a nutshell, you're forced to make sacrifices as soon as you start using the phone. If this was a entry level/low storage/low RAM device, that's one thing.
But, it's not, basically a Lamborghini running on two cylinders, that's not what I paid for & why I sold mine 5 days after the most frustrating phone experience I've ever seen....
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Really appreciate the response. That seems a lot of sacrifices which I can make except for the Smartwatch thing. Do you think the Wear OS watches will crippled the same was as the Gear ones? (Despite Wear OS being a single app with no companion apps unlike the Gear)
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Really appreciate the response. That seems a lot of sacrifices which I can make except for the Smartwatch thing. Do you think the Wear OS watches will crippled the same was as the Gear ones? (Despite Wear OS being a single app with no companion apps unlike the Gear)
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If you don't make it a "Top 5 Protected" app, count on it not syncing properly/automatically.
krabman said:
The international version goes on sale in India and the Philippines today. We should soon get an idea of what the phone is capable of when it isn't hobbled by the oppressive Chinese firmware.
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They have given a tentative delivery date - 5th of August on Flipkart (India).
Screw it I just pre-ordered it (Bordeaux Red). Shipping starts from 4th of August. Hope the phone gets relatively better with the Global Indian ROM. Thank you all for your inputs.
Does it has hi dac like vivo nex ?
rowihel2012 said:
Does it has hi dac like vivo nex ?
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No it doesn't.
KOLIOSIS said:
If you don't make it a "Top 5 Protected" app, count on it not syncing properly/automatically.
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As a Wear OS user (Polar M600) i can absolutely CONFIRM what Koliosis is saying and this is not just limited to Samsung Watches.
That said, my watch has been fine now for 2 days and, even after a reboot, the same apps are still auto-run and remain locked. I actually like this solution now BUT, why the FRACK have they restricted it to only 5 apps!?
Anyway, as an example, my locked and running fine apps are:
Wear OS
The Crypto App (so it's widget runs OK - take note, to run a widget, the PARENT app needs to be locked sometimes)
WhatsApp
Gmail
Google Calendar (again, for it's widget)
Now, for me, this is perfectly OK and I have no need to even want to lock other apps (like Facebook) as i'm not interested however, you need to assess YOUR needs which may be more apps.
edit: Oh, oddly, i've got the Sony Experia clock widget installed and that runs perfectly even without being locked and I've no idea why!
Also, I've got the red and it looks stunning. Easily the best looking phone i've ever owned. You'll be happy with the physical design.
prophet558 said:
They have given a tentative delivery date - 5th of August on Flipkart (India).
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Same here, will share my inputs once I receive the device :fingers-crossed:
Funk Wizard said:
Same here, will share my inputs once I receive the device :fingers-crossed:
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Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users here have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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If these restrictions do not exist on a non-Chinese version, I'll be flashing as soon as it is possible and a method is detailed!
KOLIOSIS said:
Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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I am positive for a better experience on the Indian version which is already better in terms of bloat and hopefully we can do a workaround for the other issues. I will keep you posted. Currently it's a long wait as the tentative delivery is 5th August so I'll share my inputs after playing with the machine for a couple of days
Many thanks for your inputs so far and the adb workaround for bloat.
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FINALLY
Wouldn't this ota file work on all N950U1 devices?
22jk said:
Wouldn't this ota file work on all N950U1 devices?
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I wouldn't know
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22jk said:
Wouldn't this ota file work on all N950U1 devices?
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gabesir said:
It should.
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gronimo21 - does the super slow mo option still in the camera?
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The update is for carrier devices, not U1 devices. Your have to ODIN to N950U firmware then apply the OTA.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
The update is for carrier devices, not U1 devices. Your have to ODIN to N950U firmware then apply the OTA.
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My device is a carrier device on stock nougat. It is a Verizon Note 8.
Hey guys, I just got the OTA update on my Sprint Galaxy Note 8 as well, and so far I'm loving it! But I'm experiencing a Google Play error, "DF-DFERH-01, error retrieving information from server"
So I went ahead and cleared cache and data, uninstalled Google Play updates, and did the same thing to Google Play Services. I went as far as factory resetting my device, and I'm still recieving the same error. It wasn't like this before I installed the update 2 hours ago.
I wanted to know if anyone else was experiencing the same thing?
Edit: Just like magic, Google Play seems to be working again. Finally to enjoy Android Pie at last!
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Hey guys, I just got the OTA update on my Sprint Galaxy Note 8 as well, and so far I'm loving it! But I'm experiencing a Google Play error, "DF-DFERH-01, error retrieving information from server"
So I went ahead and cleared cache and data, uninstalled Google Play updates, and did the same thing to Google Play Services. I went as far as factory resetting my device, and I'm still recieving the same error. It wasn't like this before I installed the update 2 hours ago.
I wanted to know if anyone else was experiencing the same thing?
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^^ Also had / have same issue as well. Mine however is a carrier unlocked Galaxy Note 8 and using Sprint service (not rooted). I did clear cache, have not tried factory reset but thank you for informing me as I've been trying to determine the next course of action. Also, my menu / ui / settings / colors (font / backgrounds / forms) have partially inverted, so that all titles are almost close to #000 (solid black) with form boxes inverted to white, (making this close to impossible without some guess work what invisible text says) and it seems like there's an error with the themes (now back to complete stock and it does not change the colors at all from the inverted manner nor will it allow me to even switch to dark mode). However, I just got this installed maybe 15 minutes ago, so I will continue trying to figure this out and test to see if any other functions are not working properly. Have you found any other others yourself and or a way to fix the Google Play error?
SkyblueX said:
Hey guys, I just got the OTA update on my Sprint Galaxy Note 8 as well, and so far I'm loving it! But I'm experiencing a Google Play error, "DF-DFERH-01, error retrieving information from server"
So I went ahead and cleared cache and data, uninstalled Google Play updates, and did the same thing to Google Play Services. I went as far as factory resetting my device, and I'm still recieving the same error. It wasn't like this before I installed the update 2 hours ago.
I wanted to know if anyone else was experiencing the same thing?
Edit: Just like magic, Google Play seems to be working again. Finally to enjoy Android Pie at last!
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Mine did too, I went to eat dinner, came back and it was fine ?
Not liking this update..... Like wtf did u do to the status bar icons and pulldown shortcuts...... My theme looks stupid AF now too. Hey Samsung, if your going to **** with **** like this, give us the option in settings to change it the **** back.
NothingIsPerfect said:
^^ Also had / have same issue as well. Mine however is a carrier unlocked Galaxy Note 8 and using Sprint service (not rooted). I did clear cache, have not tried factory reset but thank you for informing me as I've been trying to determine the next course of action. Also, my menu / ui / settings / colors (font / backgrounds / forms) have partially inverted, so that all titles are almost close to #000 (solid black) with form boxes inverted to white, (making this close to impossible without some guess work what invisible text says) and it seems like there's an error with the themes (now back to complete stock and it does not change the colors at all from the inverted manner nor will it allow me to even switch to dark mode). However, I just got this installed maybe 15 minutes ago, so I will continue trying to figure this out and test to see if any other functions are not working properly. Have you found any other others yourself and or a way to fix the Google Play error?
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Ah, that sounds odd. As far as I know, Samsung made changes to the way themes work on the Android Pie update, so I'd guess it might be possible that your themes were screwed up in the process. Is it also like that on the default theme? Everything seems to be working normal on my end, I'm still using the default theme
As for the Google Play error, I didn't really do anything else after I had cleared cache and data, and uninstalled app updates. I went off to continue setting up my Note 8, came back 25 minutes later, and Google Play worked normally as if nothing had happened.
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Ah, that sounds odd. As far as I know, Samsung made changes to the way themes work on the Android Pie update, so I'd guess it might be possible that your themes were screwed up in the process. Is it also like that on the default theme? Everything seems to be working normal on my end, I'm still using the default theme
As for the Google Play error, I didn't really do anything else after I had cleared cache and data, and uninstalled app updates. I went off to continue setting up my Note 8, came back 25 minutes later, and Google Play worked normally as if nothing had happened.
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So what I learned from a couple of quick experiments, to ANYONE downloading & installing Pie for the first time, I highly advise uninstalling all forms of themes, launchers, roms, etc. that are not stock as with the theme changes in Pie, that is what seems to mess it up and I am going to test to see what can be used with it after. The Google Play thing lasted me a few hours since it was earlier today.... but makes me wonder if they did a silent correction as I've heard others that didn't get that error after mine seemed to magically work again too.
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My device is a carrier device on stock nougat. It is a Verizon Note 8.
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I see. In your first post you asked about N950U1 devices, which is the unbranded factory unlocked model.
Yes this update will work on your device. But you can't apply it directly over your current build. You'll have to update to whatever the current Oreo build was first.