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Because of my stupidity flashing back to 1.8.3 sbf from 2.3.4 (don't know what I was thinking), I hard bricked my phone. Would it be a good chance of getting a new replacement from the warranty or they will not serve unlocked bootloader phone? The very far distance (half way across the world) that I need to ship it back to usa, I want to know if it will be a good chance because the shipping cost isn't going to be cheap either.
I sent it back to motorola last month with no issues for doing the same stupid thing as you. Got a new one back within 1 week.
Numb nuts, say you lost the phone or someone stole it. Ask for a replacement if you have insurance. Pony up on the $125 for the new one through insurance.
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Because of my stupidity flashing back to 1.8.3 sbf from 2.3.4 (don't know what I was thinking), I hard bricked my phone. Would it be a good chance of getting a new replacement from the warranty or they will not serve unlocked bootloader phone? The very far distance (half way across the world) that I need to ship it back to usa, I want to know if it will be a good chance because the shipping cost isn't going to be cheap either.
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i did the same stupid **** you did, just take ypur phone to the closest device support center, there should be one near you somewhere, do a google search, and they will swap it out for you same day, just tell them you did the ota upgrade and you dont know what happened, just play dumb.
voltmeter101 said:
i did the same stupid **** you did, just take ypur phone to the closest device support center, there should be one near you somewhere, do a google search, and they will swap it out for you same day, just tell them you did the ota upgrade and you dont know what happened, just play dumb.
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i did the exact same thing and they replaced it for me within an hour haha. I bricked it sooo bad that the screen wouldnt even show any text i told them it got bricked during the 2.3 OTA
How is it possible people are still hard bricking after all the warnings everywhere?
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Phalanx7621 said:
How is it possible people are still hard bricking after all the warnings everywhere?
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I thought i was a boss...? this happened like 2 months ago when no one knew that reflashing an sbf after you'd update would brick it. well i didn't know at least lol. i've had 8 android phones, that was the only time i've ever bricked one
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How is it possible people are still hard bricking after all the warnings everywhere?
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Because they cant read Or they think they are too 'good' to heed to warnings from people who have learned the hard way / know more than they do!
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How is it possible people are still hard bricking after all the warnings everywhere?
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because I hb mine shortly after the ota update before any one knew wtf to do
So I'm thinking of buying an unlocked xt910 to use on att. I've seen them for $599 on moblecity's website.
But I'm curious if you need to have it replaced under warranty what do you do? Does it even have a warranty being that it is an import?
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chocodough said:
So I'm thinking of buying an unlocked xt910 to use on att. I've seen them for $599 on moblecity's website.
But I'm curious if you need to have it replaced under warranty what do you do? Does it even have a warranty being that it is an import?
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Contact the seller and they will be able to answer the question for you. Generally it is the seller who is responsible for warranty claims.
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Contact the seller and they will be able to answer the question for you. Generally it is the seller who is responsible for warranty claims.
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Actually when you buy something, whether it be from a seller or Walmart, they only give you a 14 or 30 day warranty with them.
The maker of the product is what usually gives a 1 year warranty on most products. So being as Motorola doesn't sell the XT910 in the US, then they wouldn't warranty it here. So I guess I was wondering if you bought an import, I gather you would have to contact Motorola in whatever country the phone was originally sold for warranty.
I was just not sure whether they would honor the warranty being as we would be using it in the USA. If they would, I guess you would have to send it to Motorola abroad.
A big headache though. Send your phone off to UK or whereever if you ever need warranty work done on it.
who here has had their phone repaired with bb after rooting with htc unlock
They usually dont repair phones, they just replace them.
But I would definitely unroot before taking it in, just to be sure they don't void your warranty.
They won't know...they are retarded & work at best buy. Nobody at any of the local stores even knew what a mhl adapter is.
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They won't know...they are retarded & work at best buy. Nobody at any of the local stores even knew what a mhl adapter is.
This also true for sprint, radio shack, ect. Lol
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Not true at my local best buy store, one of the employees entered their wifi password in my phone so i could research a video card and the first thing he said was, hey your phones rooted. There was another time it happened as well.
Not sure if they would care or not, better to be safe than sorry.
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Not true at my local best buy store, one of the employees entered their wifi password in my phone so i could research a video card and the first thing he said was, hey your phones rooted. There was another time it happened as well.
Not sure if they would care or not, better to be safe than sorry.
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There are a few BB employees who are actually people like us and root their own phones as well, but the rest are clueless.
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They usually dont repair phones, they just replace them.
But I would definitely unroot before taking it in, just to be sure they don't void your warranty.
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Ok thanks man. going to root my EVO on hboot 1.5 then
Most places don't care lol they like HTC only threw that void warranty in because folks over clock and tend to spank there CPU or brick it . Which they don't wanna warranty somethin like that do to a user messing up.
But if general hardware issue your good to go.
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I just went through trying to get warranty service on a 1 month old HTC one, was refused, and am now frustrated with the whole process. This is a post both for me to vent, as well as a warning for all who are noobs, as well as seasoned veterans, thinking of unlocking, rooting, installing custom roms, and just in general messing with your phone.
I bought my HTC one online through AT&T about one month ago, beautiful silver 64 GB model. I had the customary 14 days to return it for any reason, except that date begins on the ship date from AT&T, not 2 full weeks in your hand. I heard a funny buzz from the top speaker within a couple days, but it was brief and I really did not pay much notice to it. As it was, it only happened at certain frequencies when playing music or videos using the otherwise awesome front stereo speakers. The source is definitely something vibrating under the speaker grill, but only when certain sound frequencies are made by the speaker. It is not the speaker itself, as I could cover that with a finger over the central speaker grill and it would then accentuate the vibrating noise by blocking the sound output, causing it to reverberate under the speaker grill even more.
As it would happen, I did not use the external speakers all that much during the 14 day evaluation period and did not really take note of it until about a week after, now past when AT&T would take it back. I waited another week in denial and then decided to contact HTC, since I was now keenly aware of it and could hear it almost every time I played music through the speaker. Now I don't post much in XDA, but I have been flashing ROMs for years and am well versed in the process. I lasted all of about 12 hours with my new HTC before unlocking the bootloader and flashing my first custom ROM. I had come from a long line of Samsung devices most recently, and although I never needed warranty service, I never worried about it because you could get those phones completely back to stock with no signs they had ever been tampered with. Not so with the HTC. One little line of text atop the bootloader screen would reveal my unlocking/re-locking.
The phone went back to HTC and immediately I had an email stating the phone was outside warranty, and asking for $200 to repair the device. Now I argued and escalated my case as far as I could, speaking to multiple reps, and eventually they offered to repair the phone for $100, only because there was some misunderstanding between myself and the very first rep I talked to when asking for warranty service (we had talked about whether HTC cared if the device was "unlocked", but the rep thought I was talking about sim unlocked and had told me HTC wouldn't care). I agreed to pay once they assured me my warranty would again be in force, as long as I did not unlock the bootloader. As far as I am aware, there is no way to unlock this phone and then return it to untouched factory status. It will always show that it has been tampered with. I was told by HTC that the main board would have to be replaced to remove this tampered status.
Learn and live, but a warning for all that go down this path. You play at your own risk. For me, I will run stock now for a good many months, until I feel sure the device has proved itself. Then my temptations to tamper will likely overwhelm me again....
I exchanged my 64gb for warranty, bootloader unlocked with a modified stock ROM on it and had no issues. In fact, I have exchanged NUMEROUS bootloader unlocked devices for warranty and have never had a single issue. I think I sent 5 One Xs back, all unlocked.
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I agree with MetalHead. This is the first I've ever heard of a device ever being denied warranty service. Are you sure it wasn't because it might have gotten wet? I thought I read that it doesn't matter whether the software is custom if there is a hardware problem. If it was denied because of the bootloader being unlocked then it was probably because you told them. Next time just send it in. I've done it MANY times.
P.S. There actually is a way to go back to complete stock.
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That's also because you sent it to htc and not at&t obviously.
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There's a big difference in exchanging the phone with AT&T and getting a warranty repair through HTC. An AT&T store will not care and likely will not even know how to check the boot loader. HTC sent me pictures of the screen showing that I had unlocked the device to prove I was out of warranty. If there is a way to get it totally back to stock, with boot loader locked, and HTC not to be able to tell, I have not heard of it.
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Then you haven't been around here much lately
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You mean when I unlocked my phone, that single page that said "WARN ING, UNLOCKING BOOTLOADER WILL VOID WARRANTY" is actually true?
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You mean when I unlocked my phone, that single page that said "WARN ING, UNLOCKING BOOTLOADER WILL VOID WARRANTY" is actually true?
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[how to]return to 100% stock from revone or moonshine s off
http://androidforums.com/internatio...stock-revone-moonshine-s-off.html#post5918438
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You mean when I unlocked my phone, that single page that said "WARN ING, UNLOCKING BOOTLOADER WILL VOID WARRANTY" is actually true?
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Unless you can completely re-lock the bootloader revert to stock and hide all traces of any ROMs, custom kernels, etc. Yes.
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dborgo said:
There's a big difference in exchanging the phone with AT&T and getting a warranty repair through HTC. An AT&T store will not care and likely will not even know how to check the boot loader. HTC sent me pictures of the screen showing that I had unlocked the device to prove I was out of warranty. If there is a way to get it totally back to stock, with boot loader locked, and HTC not to be able to tell, I have not heard of it.
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I smell a troll here sorry if you have been on xda for any length of time. You would know better
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CheesyNutz said:
I smell a troll here sorry if you have been on xda for any length of time. You would know better
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Troll? That's funny. No, maybe someone just new to HTC, who got bad information from HTC itself, made a mistake and sent a "tampered" phone to HTC and ran into a snag trying to get legitimate warranty service. I've paid my "fine" to HTC, learned my lesson, and will be happy to have my phone back soon.
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[how to]return to 100% stock from revone or moonshine s off
http://androidforums.com/internatio...stock-revone-moonshine-s-off.html#post5918438
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This is good information. Thank you. Ironically, these posts are dated well after my phone was mailed off to HTC. At least this thread may help steer someone else to the right information.
Have already sent one back fully unlocked for warrony
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Sucks to hear... sorry bro, I'm glad mine says Locked and tampered is gone S-off is king
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There's a big difference in exchanging the phone with AT&T and getting a warranty repair through HTC. An AT&T store will not care and likely will not even know how to check the boot loader. HTC sent me pictures of the screen showing that I had unlocked the device to prove I was out of warranty. If there is a way to get it totally back to stock, with boot loader locked, and HTC not to be able to tell, I have not heard of it.
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My question is why did you send it to HTC? ATT offers a 1 year warranty on it. If you raise hell they might even replace it on the spot, since it was only a week out. Just ask for a manager. Always go to the ATT corporate stores. Doesnt matter if you purchased it online, as long as it is an ATT branded phone.
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I smell a troll here sorry if you have been on xda for any length of time. You would know better
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I'm wondering if you know the definition of troll Cheezy lol Nothing troll worthy that i can see, not even remotely. Heck maybe it's me that doesn't know the definition of a troll :highfive:
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You mean when I unlocked my phone, that single page that said "WARN ING, UNLOCKING BOOTLOADER WILL VOID WARRANTY" is actually true?
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It says MAY void warranty.
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Can't blame anyone but yourself.
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I exchanged my 64gb for warranty, bootloader unlocked with a modified stock ROM on it and had no issues. In fact, I have exchanged NUMEROUS bootloader unlocked devices for warranty and have never had a single issue. I think I sent 5 One Xs back, all unlocked.
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I agree with MetalHead. This is the first I've ever heard of a device ever being denied warranty service. Are you sure it wasn't because it might have gotten wet? I thought I read that it doesn't matter whether the software is custom if there is a hardware problem. If it was denied because of the bootloader being unlocked then it was probably because you told them. Next time just send it in. I've done it MANY times.
P.S. There actually is a way to go back to complete stock.
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It says MAY void warranty.
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Just want to confirm that I've had the same experience with a One X in the past.
Was denied warranty because the phone had an unlocked bootloader, even though it was clearly a hardware issue and HTC themselves admitted this.
If you read the disclaimer carefully on HTCDev, it does not say the warranty is systematically voided, but that if the phone is rendered unusable by the user, it may not be covered under warranty.
Ironically their warranty statement also says that only the hardware is warrantied, and not the software.
IMHO if someone had the time and energy to challenge them legally, I doubt HTC would win.
Att replaced my bootloader unlocked phone just last month. Don't deal with HTC deal with at&t
Wow, I really did things wrong. I've been lucky over the years and never had a phone that needed to be returned or serviced. I obviously didn't understand the process. I contacted the manufacturer instead of AT&T and got screwed. Never understood AT&T's warranty, never needed to use it. Doesn't help that my nearest AT&T corporate store is 2 hours away. So really there's no use of the manufactures warranty when you buy the phone through AT&T. I guess only those who purchase a phone directly from HTC (dev edition etc) need the manufacturer's warranty. Good to know I can confidently go back to what I know best, flashing roms and enjoying all that XDA has to offer.
Thank you all for your humbling advice. After all these years, my noob status is staunchly in place
Corp store would have just called warranty services for you. Next time just call customer care.
I don't know if this is the right place to put this (mods can yell at me if it isn't) but I would like to remind all you fine men and women about this petition. https://www.change.org/petitions/sa...ock-the-bootloader-of-the-verizon-s4-sch-i545
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That's useless. This is why they have this.... http://m.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I545ZKDVZW
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Yes, but most people aren't insane enough to spend $800 on a cell phone when it's only worth $200 to begin with. Unfortunately that's our only option with Verizon locking down all of their devices
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Evocm7 said:
Yes, but most people aren't insane enough to spend $800 on a cell phone when it's only worth $200 to begin with. Unfortunately that's our only option with Verizon locking down all of their devices
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How is it only worth $200? By what measure? Can you get one for $200? Could you get a regular S4 new for $200? $300? $400?
Nope, not with out signing a contract to have someone else pay the rest for you. Thats how subsidized phones on contract work.
It's like Verizon owns part of your phone because they do. Because you didn't pay for all of it. Notice how the cost to cancel a contract is similar to the difference in price of the subsidized phone and retail cost?
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How is it only worth $200? By what measure? Can you get one for $200? Could you get a regular S4 new for $200? $300? $400?
Nope, not with out signing a contract to have someone else pay the rest for you. Thats how subsidized phones on contract work.
It's like Verizon owns part of your phone because they do. Because you didn't pay for all of it. Notice how the cost to cancel a contract is similar to the difference in price of the subsidized phone and retail cost?
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I have seen soooo many attempts to get a company to unlock bootloaders/release source code through the petitions... Not once have I seen success... Our best chances come through our devs...Verizon/Samsung don't care about petitions
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How is it only worth $200? By what measure? Can you get one for $200? Could you get a regular S4 new for $200? $300? $400?
Nope, not with out signing a contract to have someone else pay the rest for you. Thats how subsidized phones on contract work.
It's like Verizon owns part of your phone because they do. Because you didn't pay for all of it. Notice how the cost to cancel a contract is similar to the difference in price of the subsidized phone and retail cost?
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I know you can't get one for 2-400 off contract. What I was saying was that the off contract price is ridiculous. Most people don't want to spend $800 dollars on something that should only cost 2-300 dollars. Alot of us need that extra $500. I don't object against an unlocked developer edition, just the awfully high price tag
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Yes, but most people aren't insane enough to spend $800 on a cell phone when it's only worth $200 to begin with. Unfortunately that's our only option with Verizon locking down all of their devices
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If you can't afford it, then you can't get it. I would like a Ferrari but I'm not going to start a petition for lowered prices or another company to pay for some of it.
If you can't afford it, then don't get it...you have to pay a premium to enjoy
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richii0207 said:
If you can't afford it, then you can't get it. I would like a Ferrari but I'm not going to start a petition for lowered prices or another company to pay for some of it.
If you can't afford it, then don't get it...you have to pay a premium to enjoy
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I don't think I've ever heard a more true statement :good:
I guess I'll be joining the crazy people someday then. It just angers me that something so cheap is so over priced. :banghead:
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Evocm7 said:
I guess I'll be joining the crazy people someday then. It just angers me that something so cheap is so over priced. :banghead:
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The average unsubsidized phone costs about $500. You do understand what "unsubsidized" means, don't you?
Almost a year after introduction, this phone is still a top of the line product. The notion that this phone should retail for ~$200 is not grounded in reality.
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I guess I'll be joining the crazy people someday then. It just angers me that something so cheap is so over priced. :banghead:
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Its basically a computer. How much for a laptop with a 1080P multitouch display, quad core processor, GPS unit, ect...
You cannot even match the specs of an S4 with a full sized laptop for $200... and that is before you make it fractions of an inch thick and throw in a 13mp camera.
I'm with you. Its awesome to be able to hack your cellphone and do whatever you want... but that is not the intention and not what you are owed its just something you have managed to take advantage of until this point. Now it seems that if you want full access to your cellphone, you have to pay full price for it... and as long as you ask Verizon to pay for part of it, they will have some say.
I don't like it, and I will circumvent it when I can... But its reasonable.
You know what irritates me? What's the difference between a dev s4 and retail? Do you guys know? I do. It's literally 80-some characters of code in aboot. So there going to charge 500 dollars more for 80 characters? You gotta be F 'ing kidding me.
So they're worried that people with unlocked bootloaders are going to file more warranty claims and that will lead to more expenses for them right? Any one who had half a brain would just dd an aboot from MDK onto their device and hard brick it and since they technically were flashing an unmodified stock factory signed partition they wouldn't be in the wrong doing so. That is to say Verizon can't blame you for bricking due to trying to run custom software.
If we had an unlocked bootloader there would be less bricks because we'd have more freedom to be able to bring devices "back to life". Qhsusb_dload wouldn't be an issue if secure boot and Knox didn't have to be there as royally PIA roadblocks.
This is all about Verizon wanting more money and overcharging for devices and Samsung could care less because they get more money out of the deal as well. Sorry I just hate when people defend carriers and their "developer devices". If you think about it, the VZW developer edition S4 is no different than The i9505 or S4's on any other carrier not named Verizon or AT&T.
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You know what irritates me? What's the difference between a dev s4 and retail? Do you guys know? I do. It's literally 80-some characters of code in aboot. So there going to charge 500 dollars more for 80 characters? You gotta be F 'ing kidding me.
So they're worried that people with unlocked bootloaders are going to file more warranty claims and that will lead to more expenses for them right? Any one who had half a brain would just dd an aboot from MDK onto their device and hard brick it and since they technically were flashing an unmodified stock factory signed partition they wouldn't be in the wrong doing so. That is to say Verizon can't blame you for bricking due to trying to run custom software.
If we had an unlocked bootloader there would be less bricks because we'd have more freedom to be able to bring devices "back to life". Qhsusb_dload wouldn't be an issue if secure boot and Knox didn't have to be there as royally PIA roadblocks.
This is all about Verizon wanting more money and overcharging for devices and Samsung could care less because they get more money out of the deal as well. Sorry I just hate when people defend carriers and their "developer devices". If you think about it, the VZW developer edition S4 is no different than The i9505 or S4's on any other carrier not named Verizon or AT&T.
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You can brick an S4 with the locked BL? I've seen MANY people brick devices with unlocked BLs.
You also have to realize that others manufacturers are now starting to offer dev editions like motorola.
For some reason the s4 has more drama about it than the moto x.
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You can brick an S4 with the locked BL? I've seen MANY people brick devices with unlocked BLs.
You also have to realize that others manufacturers are now starting to offer dev editions like motorola.
For some reason the s4 has more drama about it than the moto x.
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I haven't seen that many devices with unlocked bootloaders bricked.
I have seen plenty with locked bootloaders bricked.
On the other hand, I paid retail for my phone. Once out of contract the difference between developer and non-developer is nothing except a locked bootloader.
Once the device is completely paid for, then what is precluding, treating a device like a developer device when asked?
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You can brick an S4 with the locked BL? I've seen MANY people brick devices with unlocked BLs.
You also have to realize that others manufacturers are now starting to offer dev editions like motorola.
For some reason the s4 has more drama about it than the moto x.
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You can easily brick a device with a locked BL. With root and adb shell and/or terminal. dd'ing aboot from MDK on any build after MDK will leave you in qhsusb_dload mode ( hard-bricked on the s4, other devices can still recover from qhsusb/qdl dload mode though). Recovery from qhsusb_dload on a locked BL is still doable but difficult without JTAG. Most people who think they've bricked their device haven't actually bricked their device.
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You can easily brick a device with a locked BL. With root and adb shell and/or terminal. dd'ing aboot from MDK on any build after MDK will leave you in qhsusb_dload mode ( hard-bricked on the s4, other devices can still recover from qhsusb/qdl dload mode though). Recovery from qhsusb_dload on a locked BL is still doable but difficult without JTAG. Most people who think they've bricked their device haven't actually bricked their device.
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Good information here. Also, if you are using a tool like Heimdall, if you flash anything signed (TZ for example) to SBL1 (for example), because the signature is still correct it will flash right over it. Meaning if you flash anything over SBL1, RPM, or ABOOT you are done. That's how I permabricked my device. Especially RPM and SBL1. Especially especially especially a couple more times RPM.
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You know what irritates me? What's the difference between a dev s4 and retail? Do you guys know? I do. It's literally 80-some characters of code in aboot. So there going to charge 500 dollars more for 80 characters? You gotta be F 'ing kidding me.
So they're worried that people with unlocked bootloaders are going to file more warranty claims and that will lead to more expenses for them right? Any one who had half a brain would just dd an aboot from MDK onto their device and hard brick it and since they technically were flashing an unmodified stock factory signed partition they wouldn't be in the wrong doing so. That is to say Verizon can't blame you for bricking due to trying to run custom software.
If we had an unlocked bootloader there would be less bricks because we'd have more freedom to be able to bring devices "back to life". Qhsusb_dload wouldn't be an issue if secure boot and Knox didn't have to be there as royally PIA roadblocks.
This is all about Verizon wanting more money and overcharging for devices and Samsung could care less because they get more money out of the deal as well. Sorry I just hate when people defend carriers and their "developer devices". If you think about it, the VZW developer edition S4 is no different than The i9505 or S4's on any other carrier not named Verizon or AT&T.
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The reason is the developer edition is Not subsidized "you pay full retail price for the device" same would go if you did not want to be tied down to another two year contract with the carrier you would have to buy the phone outright, what here do you not understand.
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The reason is the developer edition is Not subsidized "you pay full retail price for the device" same would go if you did not want to be tied down to another two year contract with the carrier you would have to buy the phone outright, what here do you not understand.
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I don't understand why in the hell Verizon and Samsung think they can sell a $650 dollar unsubsidized developer edition device at the same price they sell the retail locked down unsubsidized GS4. T-mobile, the international edition and other carriers offer a retail GS4 that does the same thing as the developer edition GS4 and they offer it with a 2 year agreement so its also at a lower cost. Basically, what I don't understand is who the hell does Verizon think they are? I intentionally help unlock tethering on all devices I can just because they piss me off.
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I don't understand why in the hell Verizon and Samsung think they can sell a $650 dollar unsubsidized developer edition device at the same price they sell the retail locked down unsubsidized GS4. T-mobile, the international edition and other carriers offer a retail GS4 that does the same thing as the developer edition GS4 and they offer it with a 2 year agreement so its also at a lower cost. Basically, what I don't understand is who the hell does Verizon think they are? I intentionally help unlock tethering on all devices I can just because they piss me off.
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lol Verizon is a company based in basking ridge NJ... do you know how corrupt my state is? it is where the sopranos took place lol.
I have given up all hope.
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