So...I just got an Android ~5 days ago. My friend told me to root the phone and get plain Android on it instead of HTC's bloated modified version of it. I'm not a newbie to SSH and managing linux via prompt (I assume rooting the phone is what that means?..) Anyway, I have no clue what I'm doing. I've been an iPhone user for...~2 years. I'm completely new to Android.
Can anyone start me on the right path, maybe give me some explanations as to what I'm actually doing? Does this void my warranty with Best Buy (probably...jailbreaking the iPhone does, but recovering from that is easy-peezy..)
I'd like to tinker with my phone, but it seems so much more complicated to fix the phone if I make an oops than doing so with an iPhone does.
Thanks in advance.
Assuming you have the DNA, as that is the section you are in, there is quite a few helpful threads already. Check the sticky posts, they usually link to helpful threads.
With the speed of the quad core phones, debloating isn't needed as much as before, but rooting does have it's ups and downs.
I found that AOSP (pure android) based roms compared to sense (HTC software) are a little mote buggy and not as fluid. They feel snappier, but really aren't.
Try some sense based roms before going full aosp on this device. Take it from me. My old devices, I would run only AOSP, but after usi.g sense 5 on this phone, it has so.e good HTC only features.
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I'll echo Uzephi, give sense a try first. If you really want to tinker make sure to make a nandroid in recovery. You will probably need to use either moonshine or rum runner to do what's called s-off your phone first. That will also root it. I've found the easiest way to do that is to boot to a live USB Linux, then you don't have to deal with driver issues. If you have windows 8 or 8.1 64 bit there have been fastboot issues with drivers seeing the phone for some users, myself included. Give us some more info on what your PC set up and phone OS versions are and we can help some more when and if you want. Have you gotten the latest OTAs.
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My PC is a Windows 7 Ult and my Phone is HTC Droid DNA (Android v4.2.2 and Sense v5)
Thanks guys for the replies. I have no clue what this Android jargon is mostly, can I get some clarification or where I can read about it? Thanks a bunch.
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My PC is a Windows 7 Ult and my Phone is HTC Droid DNA (Android v4.2.2 and Sense v5)
Thanks guys for the replies. I have no clue what this Android jargon is mostly, can I get some clarification or where I can read about it? Thanks a bunch.
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Android 4.2 is the base operating system and HTC customized it to their liking, which they call Sense, and you have version 5 of Sense.
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...I have no clue what this Android jargon is mostly, can I get some clarification or where I can read about it? Thanks a bunch.
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Android phone manufacturers like to give their phones a specific look and feel, which is why android phones can look so different. This modification/augmentation of the base android software environment is commonly referred to as a UI (user interface), or Skin.
The term 'skin' is a terrible over-simplification, but it gets the point across. The vanilla Android software environment is, for many, quite boring, and not as powerful as it can be. Companies like HTC and Samsung incorporate cool animations, graphics, and sounds effects, as well as software that takes advantage of their camera's capabilities.
HTC's UI is called Sense
Samsung's is called TouchWiz Motorola's used to be called Blur (don't know if it still is)
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If you're brand new to Android, I would just use the phone as it is now without rooting or putting a custom ROM on it. Once you're comfortable and familiar with Android then you can decided if you want to root and rom.
jake6177 said:
My PC is a Windows 7 Ult and my Phone is HTC Droid DNA (Android v4.2.2 and Sense v5)
Thanks guys for the replies. I have no clue what this Android jargon is mostly, can I get some clarification or where I can read about it? Thanks a bunch.
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Rooting is akin to jailbreak, gaining control of your phone. You can root your phone (get root directory access) and still remain completely stock for your Rom.
I personally have had the best experience with sense based roms. Your experience may differ depending on what you use.
If you want to use mobile hotspot on your phone without paying subscription then rooting is a must.
Linux used to be a must to root. Now there are windows based options, I used moonshine.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you don't have to pay extra to use your phone as a mobile hotspot if you're on a capped data plan. I think only unlimited data folks are expected to pay extra to use that feature.
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That might be right. I've got the unlimited data. My co workers with company phones also have to pay for the hot spot.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you don't have to pay extra to use your phone as a mobile hotspot if you're on a capped data plan. I think only unlimited data folks are expected to pay extra to use that feature.
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That might be right. I've got the unlimited data. My co workers with company phones also have to pay for the hot spot.
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Yes, correct, capped data is forbidden by law to charge for mobile hotspot, unlimited data is chargeable.
Edit* At OP, Sense is the king flavor of android, stick unrooted for a while as you won't really see a need for it yet, unless you want to go and throw on different ROM's and try them out, which in that case def. go and try viperDNA (best sense ROM avail.) AOSP/CM based ROM's are still a WIP and are ok to use but you will miss out on everything sense (sense apps, widgets, features, and even some hardware features)
Gaining root is becoming the sys admin of the phone, you would be able to read/write to the system partition of the phone and execute system privileged commands that are more for the hacker/modder/enthusiast (not normal user, you really wouldn't find a use for that type of stuff, the only app that would serve you good is "Titanium Backup" that does require root but it basically backs up all of the apps and their data)
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This is just a quick idea I was playing with. I'm thinking about building a Rom Manager for the Droid Eris, with custom recovery, options to boot to recovery, make and restore backups, flashing zips from SD, all the great stuff a recovery image does, but inside android.
How much would you pay for the ability to do that? Say there was a free version that only let you flash a stock, 2.1, rooted image, and a paid version with all the developers mods? What would you pay for this paid version?
By >$1 I mean less than one dollar!! Just so you know!
$2.00
If it can do everything
Requests:
- log viewer of what installed.
"If possible"
-ability to change skateboard boot image.
I wouldnt give you a penny for something I could do myself by powering the phone down first.
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I would cough up $2-4, in fact I did for my droid. A rom manger was the best app i've purchased.
I wouldnt give you a penny for something I could do myself by powering the phone down first.
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$2-4. I bought ROM Manager for my wife's Droid and it's awesome.
BTW ">$1" actually means greater than one dollar, (the mouth eats the larger value XD). Not pickin on ya, just sayin!
If it did all this with custom recovery, options to boot to recovery, make and restore backups, flashing zips from SD, all the great stuff a recovery image does, but inside android. without any problems. I would gladly pay 2-5$. Would make it switching and trying out different ROMs on the go easier.
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This is just a quick idea I was playing with. I'm thinking about building a Rom Manager for the Droid Eris, with custom recovery, options to boot to recovery, make and restore backups, flashing zips from SD, all the great stuff a recovery image does, but inside android.
How much would you pay for the ability to do that? Say there was a free version that only let you flash a stock, 2.1, rooted image, and a paid version with all the developers mods? What would you pay for this paid version?
By >$1 I mean less than one dollar!! Just so you know!
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zifnab i would sign up right now if you released it
I would do it just to support you. Plus it sounds awesome.
i would pay up to $3 to do that.
although, i should get a free version for helping debug your IRC bot that I broke on you!
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Would certainly pay 3-5$ for that functionality on my Eris. Always enjoyed it on my Droid, and have been happy I paid for it.
rom manager...
I think it would be a good thing. Sure we can boot into recovery but its good to have options. I'm in the 2 to 5$ group.
valuable
Like someone mentioned before if this would do everything turn key I think it would be very valuable. This would also bring in more people that otherwise wouldn't attempt to do something like this on their own. If I was stuck with my stock Eris i would be pissed so I know how great it has been learning how to root my phone and install these roms and see what my eris is really capable of. This may seem small to some of you but I am not a technical person so it has been a great learning experience for me. Also, I struggle with the more technical aspects of this stuff (specifically app2sd) so if this service would take care of all of that and create the right settings that are necessary then I would be all for it.
What's wrong with the ROM Manager version I wrote? Does it not work on Eris? I don't have one, but I have gotten feedback it works. Unfortunately, I am not part of the Eris scene, so I don't add ROMs to it. Developers can get added for free if they want.
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What's wrong with the ROM Manager version I wrote? Does it not work on Eris? I don't have one, but I have gotten feedback it works. Unfortunately, I am not part of the Eris scene, so I don't add ROMs to it. Developers can get added for free if they want.
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I use rom manger on my droid, even bought a licnese when I don't use advanced features. Works great.
I haven't used it on the eris, so I can't personally comment, but it's probably the lack of roms currently listed. Maybe we need to convince some ppl to add roms.
I have also heard a few issues with the recovery, but it could be pebcak (user) errors.
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What's wrong with the ROM Manager version I wrote? Does it not work on Eris? I don't have one, but I have gotten feedback it works. Unfortunately, I am not part of the Eris scene, so I don't add ROMs to it. Developers can get added for free if they want.
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According to this thread is does not work.
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This is just a quick idea I was playing with. I'm thinking about building a Rom Manager for the Droid Eris, with custom recovery, options to boot to recovery, make and restore backups, flashing zips from SD, all the great stuff a recovery image does, but inside android.
How much would you pay for the ability to do that? Say there was a free version that only let you flash a stock, 2.1, rooted image, and a paid version with all the developers mods? What would you pay for this paid version?
By >$1 I mean less than one dollar!! Just so you know!
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Hi zifnab06,
I looked at the current poll results
Code:
1 x 8 = 8
1.5 x 7 = 10.5
3.5 x 17 = 59.5
7.5 x 2 = 15
Total = $ 93
Woot, you've got an upside potential of almost 100 bucks!
Minimum wage goes to $8.25/hr on July 1. If you can do this in 12 hours of your time, you'll be making minimum wage. Either that, or you could go work three 4-hour shifts at the local MickeyD.
And if Walking Taco comes in while you are there to order a happy meal, you'll probably get more respect from him there, too.
I kid, I kid. I give advice here for free - I should go down there right now and see if they are hiring.
I'd say, take your considerable skills and write a commercial app for a slightly bigger market - friends don't let friends write code for minimum wage!
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HTC AMAZE ROM Bible
No one is responsible for what YOU do with YOUR phone. Any software modification to technology carries with it a certain risk of permanent damage, when you modify your device you accept this as your own responsibility.
XDA specific stuff:
Useful information/posting rules
XDA Developers Android application
Useful software (PC)
How to Root your HTC Amaze
Unlock Bootloader - Unlock bootloader on your HTC AMAZE
S-OFF - Everything S-OFF on your HTC Amaze
Quick glossary
ADB - The Android Debug Bridge. A collection of tools that any rooted Android user should have. ADB allows one to interact with their device from a terminal interface. This enables the user to do a variety of tasks such as sideloading applications and more.
Android - A Linux based operating system created and mostly designed by Google. The major revisions are 1.0, 1.1, 1.5 (Cupcake), 1.6 (Donut), 2.0/2.0.1/2.1 (Eclair), 2.2 (Froyo) 2.3 (Gingerbread), and 3.0 (Honeycomb - tablet only). The majority of Android major revisions are named after desserts.
APK - Android PacKage. These are, basically, Android applications and all of their data. They are run via the Dalvik Virtual Machine on your device.
Bootloader - The part of a computer that loads the operating system. If this is damaged/deleted you are screwed.
Flashing - The act of installing a ROM onto an embedded device or emulator.
Overclocking - Increasing the "clock" of a processor to increase its speed at the expense of battery life and possibly your phone. Not all processors overclock the same, even if the hardware is identical. One phone with a Hummingbird SoC will not be able to overclock to 1.2ghz, yet another would be able to overclock to 2.0ghz (very unlikely).
S-ON/S-OFF - S-ON is a "security" measure put in place by HTC on their newer phones that read locks /system and /recovery. Switching S-ON to S-OFF disables this protection and allows you to replace the stock recovery, and modify /system while the phone is in Android.
Radio/Modem - The parts of a firmware that allow communication between the operating system, the telecommunication hardware, and a mobile network. Some radios give good battery life, some good signal, some neither.
CRT - Also known as "Cathode ray tube" is the "animation" when you turn on and off a T.V. The animation of the line flashing across the screen and then the image appearing/disappearing.
XDA - This site, XDA is a community of likeminded developers, hackers, and users who modify various phones running various operating systems (Windows Mobile, Windows Phone 7, and Android specifically).
ROMs
Rom||RUU|| Shipped Ruby ROM Collection
These are the original htc amaze ROMs. (for more info read the thread)
[ROM][*NEW*] |Jun 20| Energy™ -.¸¸.·´¯ ICS Sense 3.5 Themed BLUE ¯´·.¸¸. -
SenseUI
[ROM][*NEW*] |Jun 20| Energy™ -.¸¸.·´¯ ICS Sense 3.5 Stock Look ¯´·.¸¸. -
SenseUI
Amazing QuikSense v3.0.0||Sense 3.0||Wifi Calling ||Free Teathering||CIQ Free||CRT||
SenseUI
ROM||BulletProof v1.0.0||Sense 3.0||Wifi Calling ||Free Teathering||CIQ Free||CRT||
SenseUI
[ROM][Sense 3.0] One Good ROM V1 [Base 1.46][Stock Kernel]
SenseUI
Fourth Bar Sense [ICS Themed|
This ROM is Ice cream sandwich like.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313017?referrerid=922386
How To Flash Kernels
Kernels
[Kernel]Amaze -COMPATIBLE with ALL Amaze (AKA Ruby) Rooted Stock and Custom ROMs
Radios
None at the moment.
Mods
Launchers
Widgets
Live wallpapers
Solar Wind live wallpaper
Matrix live wallpaper
Snowfall live wallpaper
Apps
Copied the format from
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=924793
You guys all are more than welcome to edit this.
I'm new to this phone.
xologist said:
Copied the format from
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=924793
You guys all are more than welcome to edit this.
I'm new to this phone.
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I did edit the ROMs text. You forgot the /center but other than that I left it untouched.
Oh.. and I stuck it too. Nice job!
I was wondering when you were going to do this.
You're missing QuickSense in the rom list...
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You're missing QuickSense in the rom list...
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I was just gonna say that.
- dredd
2sh0rt said:
You're missing QuickSense in the rom list...
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Added.
Also shortened it up a little bit by hyperlinking the urls to the text.
great job!! hopefully this decreases all the repeated questions in other threads and makes binarys life easier haha!
Yes, but the all in 1 root tool thread got deleted.. or I dont see it anymore.. so that'll bring questions
will this work? what do you think.:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1310115&page=24
xologist said:
Yes, but the all in 1 root tool thread got deleted.. or I dont see it anymore.. so that'll bring questions
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I had to delete it b/c it was starting to get complaints because it was too similiar to the HTCSuperToolv2. He did modify a great deal of the script but since it was so simliar it was removed.
If it failed, do it again before post questions
When I first:
* Attemped to unlocked my Amaze: When I paste the unlocked code, HTCDev failed me and told me that my device is unlockable or something like that. I have to copy and paste the code again and it's worked.
* Attempted to root: My device told me the file signature is wrong (or invalid or something in that nature). I have to re-doing it the second time. Especially in this step, my phone kept unzipping the file and copy/update and repeating the unzipping process several times before successfully installed/update the file
* Along the way, when flashing new rom and kernal, sometime the phone told me that the zip file is wrong/invalid or stuff like that. At one point it even told me that it can not find the file. I have to do it the second time ...
* Browsing through the forum I've often encounting many replied from new Amaze owners complaining/asking as why they can not do as instructed, eventhough they did followed the step-by-step guide
To top it off, for some reason, the Amaze (compared with my old HD2 when come to flashing stuff) often gave me that wrong/invalid/fail results and I always had to do the second time to make it work. So, to the OP, Xboarder and other chiefs or anyone who would like to wrote guides like this, I'ld suggest to put a note telling noobies to DO IT AGAIN before gave up and posting questions which may not be a pleasant to others to read/answer/reply/helps ...
Just a though
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I had to delete it b/c it was starting to get complaints because it was too similiar to the HTCSuperToolv2. He did modify a great deal of the script but since it was so simliar it was removed.
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What ever happened to the open source community that used to be XDA? Nobody seems to care anymore about the overall advancement of things, so sad the direction things are going. I saw some posts in that thread where even xboarder was acting like an ass towards someone that was actually interested in learning things. What happened to the XDA that was all about everyone helping each other to get the most out of our devices?
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What ever happened to the open source community that used to be XDA? Nobody seems to care anymore about the overall advancement of things, so sad the direction things are going. I saw some posts in that thread where even xboarder was acting like an ass towards someone that was actually interested in learning things. What happened to the XDA that was all about everyone helping each other to get the most out of our devices?
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I agree that this needs to be an open source community but the issues begin when developers feel that they don't receive the appropriate amount of credit for the time and effort that they put into a project. If you spend hours or days making something just so that someone else can simply rename it and pass it off as their own, you would be upset too. What do you think would happen if I took CM9 rom, made some xml edits and renamed it to BinaryMod. Cyanogen and team spent HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of hours making it and I spent maybe one renaming it. They would be pissed! Would you blame them? Who would want a BinaryMod anyway?
I would try a binarymod, I'm a masochist, er, ummmmm I mean an adventurist.
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I would try a binarymod, I'm a masochist, er, ummmmm I mean an adventurist.
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I don't feel like being banned. Yes, even moderators can be banned.
Even worse I might get CM team after me. They would put a hit out on me. Good think I have confidential plates though!
Even though our device is fairly new, Its been almost three months since it has been out I really do believe we need much more support. I'm trying to help people as much as I can myself...but we need more developers. HTC also needs to make it easier, we need S-off, if warranty is voided why wouldn't they give us S-off?!!! Limited availability of this phone to a few carriers also restricts development... I still love this phone!!!
wouldn't it be great if pershoot started developing for the amaze!!!
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Even though our device is fairly new, Its been almost three months since it has been out I really do believe we need much more support. I'm trying to help people as much as I can myself...but we need more developers. HTC also needs to make it easier, we need S-off, if warranty is voided why wouldn't they give us S-off?!!! Limited availability of this phone to a few carriers also restricts development... I still love this phone!!!
wouldn't it be great if pershoot started developing for the amaze!!!
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Let's not forget that HTC won't release the full kernel source either.
Dev friendly my ar$e!
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Let's not forget that HTC won't release the full kernel source either.
Dev friendly my ar$e!
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I believe they are also withholding other things like wifi, no?
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I believe they are also withholding other things like wifi, no?
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Exactly. I suppose the wifi drivers isn't their source so they can't pubish it. That's what I understand of it though.
Is there such a thing? I saw a article that best buy was running a Droid Eris with Windows 7. Where can I get this and how stable is it? This thread is intended for Eris only. Looking for a Windows 7 ROM/OS for the HTC Droid Eris. I am using Amon_RA recovery now and my phones (2) are both on Cricket Carrier plans.
I think you've been misled. There are so many reasons that no matter what you try you'll never get Windows 7, assuming you mean the desktop Windows 7, running on the Eris. I doubt if you could get Windows Phone 7 running on the Eris, either. AFAIK, there's never been any version of Windows 7 compiled for ARM processors, only for x86 and x86-64. Even if it were, the hardware constraints of the Eris would be completely ludicrous to expect it to run a huge Windows 7 installation, even if the ROM actually ran from the SD card, which would be the only way it would fit since the internal flash memory of the Eris is too small.
I did a quick Google search and I couldn't easily find the article you mention. Do you have a link?
There is a launcher that looks like windows though. That's about as close as your going to get. There's a launcher that looks like desktop and another that looks like mobile.
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Wp7 was coded to only work with snapdragon processors. Running at 1ghz. If I remember correctly the Eris is somewhere in the ballpark of 518mhz.
If someone would've put the time and effort into rebuilding wp7 it could be possible. But why?
The Eris is the toughest and hardest to kill android phone I've ever played with
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Can someone post a link to the launcher that looks like WP7?
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Can someone post a link to the launcher that looks like WP7?
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i cant make any promises... but probably within the next few days im gonna make some cm7 ports and see what i can do with them.. currently my eris is on simple mobile so i cant test mms or anything until i find a way to flash it back..
this was my first android... and i just got my hands back on it... my fascinate is a PITA with reading my sdcards.. so i think i may show the eris community some love..
expect lg ui moto touchwiz xperia wp7/8 and maybe more.. but those will be my priorities.. if i can learn how aroma works i may make a all in one flashable... just gotta give me time to relearn the device and see whats been done in the few years since i last used it
I remember the HTC Evo days. Boy, I spent hours-a-day browsing the development section on XDA to get my flash fix. That carried over with my Samsung Galaxy S2 and then the S3. Now that I'm considering coming back to HTC for a fresher experience, I found myself jaw-dropped at how ghostly the development forums are. I figured this could be a result of the phone being so young; so I went to the GS4 to see if that holds true. Wow... what a difference. Those forums seem busier than hell. And it's only been about a month since it was released as well.
Anyone have any idea why that is? I've been trying to convince myself to get the HTC One. I got over the fact that it lacks a replaceable battery, a MicroSD card, and recently, I got over the fact that the images are just not all that it's hyped up to be. I figured I'd be transitioning to the Moto X Phone when that comes out later in the year, so I might as well put-up with these shortcomings. But not having the development support that I experienced with the earlier HTC devices, and recently with the Samsung devices is just not something I think I can get over.
I am constantly thinking of the word "potential" when referring to this phone. What a shame. HTC had all the tools to flip the market on its feet, but it seems as if they came up short... again.
Check out the non-carrier-specific forum...it's pretty active.
EDIT: HTC didn't come up short, this phone is considered quite a success.
My theory for this specific forum being dead is that T-Mobile's national release of this phone was yesterday (06/05/2013). Before that, it was only available in their "high-volume" locations.
Oh wow. And all of those will work with the Tmo version?
Sent from my badass Samsung Galaxy SIII.
yea all the development is in the international forum. all roms on that forum will work on the tmo htc one and they work very well. i have flashed every sense based rom and most of the aosp roms. definitely not a ghost town over there:good:
Yeah, they should. But as always, continue at your own risk.
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Oh wow. And all of those will work with the Tmo version?
Sent from my badass Samsung Galaxy SIII.
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yes but the 4.2 sense roms havent implemented support for tmo yet they still work as im running trickdroid 7.0 now just no wifi calling yet but the 4.1 versions have wifi calling and most other tmo stuff
akarol said:
I remember the HTC Evo days. Boy, I spent hours-a-day browsing the development section on XDA to get my flash fix. That carried over with my Samsung Galaxy S2 and then the S3. Now that I'm considering coming back to HTC for a fresher experience, I found myself jaw-dropped at how ghostly the development forums are. I figured this could be a result of the phone being so young; so I went to the GS4 to see if that holds true. Wow... what a difference. Those forums seem busier than hell. And it's only been about a month since it was released as well.
Anyone have any idea why that is? I've been trying to convince myself to get the HTC One. I got over the fact that it lacks a replaceable battery, a MicroSD card, and recently, I got over the fact that the images are just not all that it's hyped up to be. I figured I'd be transitioning to the Moto X Phone when that comes out later in the year, so I might as well put-up with these shortcomings. But not having the development support that I experienced with the earlier HTC devices, and recently with the Samsung devices is just not something I think I can get over.
I am constantly thinking of the word "potential" when referring to this phone. What a shame. HTC had all the tools to flip the market on its feet, but it seems as if they came up short... again.
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As you've noticed by now, there's plenty of developer support for the HTC One. It's all just confined to the general HTC One forums, which makes sense, as the various roms can be used on the AT&T, T-Mobile, and international HTC One's. Most developers don't want to have to maintain 3 or more separate threads for the same thing.
As was pointed out though, if you're looking for T-Mobile wifi calling compatibility, be careful about the ROMs you flash. Since the 4.2.2 OTA for T-Mobile isn't out yet, no 4.2.2 ROM is going to support it. I'd suggest Android Revolution 9.4, or a similar 4.1.2 ROM if WIFI calling is essential to you.
Also, since a Google edition of the phone is going to be coming out in the near future, developer support is likely going to expand even further.
So I think it's safe to say you can put your fears to rest and buy an HTC One. I don't think you'll regret it.
Yea I've been hanging out in the International One forums as almost all their ROMs work for us.
This forum really shouldn't even have a development section since there's not really any specific T-Mo stuff that needs to be done.
Every single ROM in the GSM section will work for T-Mo. There isn't a single one that won't work. The only thing you lose is T-Mo's branded stuff and T-Mo's wifi calling (as they are the only ones who do Wifi calling)/
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This forum really shouldn't even have a development section since there's not really any specific T-Mo stuff that needs to be done.
Every single ROM in the GSM section will work for T-Mo. There isn't a single one that won't work. The only thing you lose is T-Mo's branded stuff and T-Mo's wifi calling (as they are the only ones who do Wifi calling)/
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Thanks you guys so much for your replies. I'm happy to see that the development forums for the One is indeed thriving. I'm more confident in snagging a one over the GS4 now.
Indeed, I don't see a reason as to why even bother with a Tmo specific section.
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Thanks you guys so much for your replies. I'm happy to see that the development forums for the One is indeed thriving. I'm more confident in snagging a one over the GS4 now.
Indeed, I don't see a reason as to why even bother with a Tmo specific section.
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Psssst... psssttt hey if u come we will welcome you!:screwy:
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As you've noticed by now, there's plenty of developer support for the HTC One. It's all just confined to the general HTC One forums, which makes sense, as the various roms can be used on the AT&T, T-Mobile, and international HTC One's. Most developers don't want to have to maintain 3 or more separate threads for the same thing.
As was pointed out though, if you're looking for T-Mobile wifi calling compatibility, be careful about the ROMs you flash. Since the 4.2.2 OTA for T-Mobile isn't out yet, no 4.2.2 ROM is going to support it. I'd suggest Android Revolution 9.4, or a similar 4.1.2 ROM if WIFI calling is essential to you.
Also, since a Google edition of the phone is going to be coming out in the near future, developer support is likely going to expand even further.
So I think it's safe to say you can put your fears to rest and buy an HTC One. I don't think you'll regret it.
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I was able to dig up an old link for Android Revolution 9.4 but can't find a description or list of features etc for it. Are you positive it has wi-fi calling in it?
I haven't owned an HTC since the OG Nexus One (had all Nexus devices since) so I'm reading up on S-OFF etc before I flash a new ROM. I really want to try out wifi calling though so that's why I'd like to make sure. Thanks in advance!
PS - link to ROM if anyone wants it: http://www.androidrevolution.nl/downloader/download.php?file=Android_Revolution_HD-One_9.4.zip
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I was able to dig up an old link for Android Revolution 9.4 but can't find a description or list of features etc for it. Are you positive it has wi-fi calling in it?
I haven't owned an HTC since the OG Nexus One (had all Nexus devices since) so I'm reading up on S-OFF etc before I flash a new ROM. I really want to try out wifi calling though so that's why I'd like to make sure. Thanks in advance!
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9.4 definitely has wifi-calling. I'm on 9.3 at the moment and wifi-calling works perfectly for me on T-Mobile. In the installer, just be sure to select T-Mobile as your carrier and it will install all the necessary files for wifi calling.
Also, note that S-Off isn't required to flash this ROM. All you need to do is unlock your device through HTC Dev, located at the HTC Dev site. I'd give you a direct link, but asinine restrictions in place on this forum are preventing that at the moment. Just Google HTC Dev and it will be the first result. You can't miss it.
Anyway, unlike with earlier HTC devices, this unlock method allows you to flash everything you need to update the ROM. Only some of the "black box" partitions like the radio and bootloader aren't flashable when it's unlocked with this method, but to my knowledge, no ROM requires that, and furthermore, the Nexus devices are very similar in that respect.
The only real advantage to S-Off is if you plan on flashing a different carrier's RUU, altering the radio, or changing your CID. Anyway, just something to be aware of.
Good luck.
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9.4 definitely has wifi-calling. I'm on 9.3 at the moment and wifi-calling works perfectly for me on T-Mobile. In the installer, just be sure to select T-Mobile as your carrier and it will install all the necessary files for wifi calling.
Also, note that S-Off isn't required to flash this ROM. All you need to do is unlock your device through HTC Dev, located at the HTC Dev site. I'd give you a direct link, but asinine restrictions in place on this forum are preventing that at the moment. Just Google HTC Dev and it will be the first result. You can't miss it.
Anyway, unlike with earlier HTC devices, this unlock method allows you to flash everything you need to update the ROM. Only some of the "black box" partitions like the radio and bootloader aren't flashable when it's unlocked with this method, but to my knowledge, no ROM requires that, and furthermore, the Nexus devices are very similar in that respect.
The only real advantage to S-Off is if you plan on flashing a different carrier's RUU, altering the radio, or changing your CID. Anyway, just something to be aware of.
Good luck.
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Sweet, thanks I'll definitely try 9.4 then! Reception in my office all day is terrible so I'm excited to try wi-fi calling.
I think I understand in theory why S-OFF would not be needed. but the nerd in me wants full control with S-OFF.. Also, if I use S-OFF, i can return my phone to bone-stock and keep warranty right? As amazing as the hardware on the HTC One is (I've gotten used to sub-standard hardware with the Nexus line), I'm not 100% sure yet I want to keep it.
Any chance you could educate me on what CID is for? Evidently it may restrict/allow flashing ROMS from certain regions?
Also, I believe I have a basic understanding of what an RUU is, but could you elaborate for me by any chance? I believe it's basically an all i one installer for a full stock ROM?
Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but this T-Mo sub forum seems a bit more forgiving than some other areas
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Sweet, thanks I'll definitely try 9.4 then! Reception in my office all day is terrible so I'm excited to try wi-fi calling.
I think I understand in theory why S-OFF would not be needed. but the nerd in me wants full control with S-OFF.. Also, if I use S-OFF, i can return my phone to bone-stock and keep warranty right? As amazing as the hardware on the HTC One is (I've gotten used to sub-standard hardware with the Nexus line), I'm not 100% sure yet I want to keep it.
Any chance you could educate me on what CID is for? Evidently it may restrict/allow flashing ROMS from certain regions?
Also, I believe I have a basic understanding of what an RUU is, but could you elaborate for me by any chance? I believe it's basically an all i one installer for a full stock ROM?
Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but this T-Mo sub forum seems a bit more forgiving than some other areas
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It's worth doing to S-OFF. If you do, you'll have the ability to relock the phone and put it back to S-ON with zero indication that you ever messed with it. Also, CIDs are used to restrict ROMs from certain carriers to only be installed on certain devices. It's really only a stock or stock-leak ROM limitation, I don't think a single ROM in either the regular or original development section is CID-locked. Either way, if you are S-OFF, you can change your CID code to whatever you want it to be (the code "111111") is referred to as "SuperCID" because that allows you to in theory run an RUU/OTA from ANY Carrier regardless.
You are correct about what an RUU is. However, each RUU is specific to a build of Android made by the carrier, and so far, I think only the Sprint RUU is out. No one has a T-Mo RUU yet (but you really don't need one, all you have to do is flash the stock rooted ROM from our section here and then unroot from the SU app options).
Enjoy tinkering.
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It's worth doing to S-OFF. If you do, you'll have the ability to relock the phone and put it back to S-ON with zero indication that you ever messed with it. Also, CIDs are used to restrict ROMs from certain carriers to only be installed on certain devices. It's really only a stock or stock-leak ROM limitation, I don't think a single ROM in either the regular or original development section is CID-locked. Either way, if you are S-OFF, you can change your CID code to whatever you want it to be (the code "111111") is referred to as "SuperCID" because that allows you to in theory run an RUU/OTA from ANY Carrier regardless.
You are correct about what an RUU is. However, each RUU is specific to a build of Android made by the carrier, and so far, I think only the Sprint RUU is out. No one has a T-Mo RUU yet (but you really don't need one, all you have to do is flash the stock rooted ROM from our section here and then unroot from the SU app options).
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Perfect, thanks for confirming all that. I think I'm ready to get the HTC-noob stink off of me The phone feels so amazing in hand, it's making me look at all these Nexus devices (Nexi?) I have in a bit of a different light.. And once the Google Experience software drops, hopefully I won't miss having a Nexus as my daily driver!
You guys are so awesome. I'm counting down the days until July 1st now when I'll get my hands on my own HTC One. =)
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Perfect, thanks for confirming all that. I think I'm ready to get the HTC-noob stink off of me The phone feels so amazing in hand, it's making me look at all these Nexus devices (Nexi?) I have in a bit of a different light.. And once the Google Experience software drops, hopefully I won't miss having a Nexus as my daily driver!
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You guys are so awesome. I'm counting down the days until July 1st now when I'll get my hands on my own HTC One. =)
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You're going to enjoy the One. It's the first Android phone to have the build quality of an iPhone with specs that beat the pants off it
The only thing that sucks about the One is that because it has such a high pixel density, you will be extremely sensitive and aware of pixels in all your other displays (laptop/desktop/tablet etc).
I own an ASUS Zenbook, which is a 13" ultrabook with a full 1920x1080p display which is retina-levels of dense on such a small screen (I think it's almost 170 pixels per inch). The One? The one is a whopping ~470 pixels per inch. It is stupidly dense and I promise you won't find a single pixel no matter how hard you look.
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I was able to dig up an old link for Android Revolution 9.4 but can't find a description or list of features etc for it. Are you positive it has wi-fi calling in it?
I haven't owned an HTC since the OG Nexus One (had all Nexus devices since) so I'm reading up on S-OFF etc before I flash a new ROM. I really want to try out wifi calling though so that's why I'd like to make sure. Thanks in advance!
PS - link to ROM if anyone wants it: http://www.androidrevolution.nl/downloader/download.php?file=Android_Revolution_HD-One_9.4.zip
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would anyone happen to have a working link for Android Revolution 9.4???
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would anyone happen to have a working link for Android Revolution 9.4???
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Look like they took it down. I have it in my local computer here and I can upload it for you somewhere if you like. PM me if you have access to somewhere I can put it for you.
Good Morning to you all!
Sorry if this has already been posted but I couldn't find much of anything on this topic. Does a "Google Edition" Rom exist for the EVO 4G LTE? I know we have the AOSP and AOKP roms but this is something I've wanted to ask for a while. I love the pure Google experience and I just have to wait about a year until i can upgrade to a new phone like a Nexus.
Thank you again for taking the the time to read this and for all the awesome work all you Developers put in for making this awesome phone even better.
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No. But the AOSP ROMs we have work fine. What's wrong with flashing one of them? They are essentially the same thing, except, well, better .
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No. But the AOSP ROMs we have work fine. What's wrong with flashing one of them? They are essentially the same thing, except, well, better .
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I'm with you on that one. Not sure why anyone with knowledge of rooting (who doesn't mind a voided warranty) would want to buy a GE phone.
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I don't have any problem with any AOSP Rom other than signal and connectivity issues. But its really just curiosity for me and I'm a big fan of Google so the idea of having a Google Editon EVO sounds cool to me.
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Well it won't happen.
And aosp is just as much Google as a GE would be.
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Imagine having a GE ROM that had added functionality and customizations. Then, go download one of our CM/AOKP/DU ROMs. - imagination realized.
Or, put another way, take one of our AOSP ROMs, strip away functionality and customization, and you have a GE ROM.
Is that what you're looking for?
Not trying to sound smart ass, totally sincere.
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Imagine having a GE ROM that had added functionality and customizations. Then, go download one of our CM/AOKP/DU ROMs. - imagination realized.
Or, put another way, take one of our AOSP ROMs, strip away functionality and customization, and you have a GE ROM.
Is that what you're looking for?
Not trying to sound smart ass, totally sincere.
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What do you think would be a good solid AOSP Rom to either behave like a GE Rom or better I've only tried the CM Rom and the Xlyon Rom back and forth and couldn't get the feel I was looking for.
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ZamoraDC said:
What do you think would be a good solid AOSP Rom to either behave like a GE Rom or better I've only tried the CM Rom and the Xlyon Rom back and forth and couldn't get the feel I was looking for.
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You could always try Evervolv. That's probably the closest to AOSP, that is, with the least customization.
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No. But the AOSP ROMs we have work fine. What's wrong with flashing one of them? They are essentially the same thing, except, well, better .
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Not true. Not trying to insult any devs in any way, but AOSP roms for anything other than a Nexus are hacked together using core binaries from other devices when necessary. There is never such a thing as a bug free AOSP Rom, except for a Google device and/or Google edition.
The Google edition roms on the other hand, were compiled by HTC for a device that they know in and out. Unfortunately, this is one of those times when "the vendor knows best", simply because of sheer resources and hardware documentation.
It would be possible to port the GE roms if you guys ported the GPE kernel and used that to port the rom, like Zarboz and newtoroot did for the DNA.
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Not true. Not trying to insult any devs in any way, but AOSP roms for anything other than a Nexus are hacked together using core binaries from other devices when necessary. There is never such a thing as a bug free AOSP Rom, except for a Google device and/or Google edition.
The Google edition roms on the other hand, were compiled by HTC for a device that they know in and out. Unfortunately, this is one of those times when "the vendor knows best", simply because of sheer resources and hardware documentation.
It would be possible to port the GE roms if you guys ported the GPE kernel and used that to port the rom, like Zarboz and newtoroot did for the DNA.
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How difficult is this to do?
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How difficult is this to do?
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I can't say.
For the DNA it was extremely simple (but zarboz is a boss so he would've gotten it anyway) since the two devices are almost identical (One and DNA).
But the fact that you guys have a 3.4.x official HTC kernel should help.
hacked together using core binaries from other devices when necessary.
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You would be surprised at what shortcuts OEMs take too.
Just because they have the resources doesn't necessarily mean it's cost effective, or that their software engineers have the time, to redo everything from scratch for each device. It's usually much easier to make it for one and then adapt that copy for use on other devices. I actually found this site thanks to htc's sloppy implementation of hdmi on the original evo. According to them it was impossible to fix until Toastcfh and Netarchy did just that and rewrote their kernel from scratch (iirc).
If you think about it, this site probably wouldn't even exist if OEMs made good software. They often do have access to proprietary drivers and documentation, but most of that is slowly getting open sourced anyway.
That type of reasoning is a fallacy because more often then not OEMs are just too plain cheap to do things properly. They just need to hit their deadlines. So your only real options are to either buy a nexus device, or invest a little time in helping fix any issues that you may find.
Someone please correct me if I'm thinking of the wrong device, but I believe it was the htc TyTN2 where htc didn't even bother to include a fully functional display driver because they didn't want to pay the license for it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359534
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Not true. Not trying to insult any devs in any way, but AOSP roms for anything other than a Nexus are hacked together using core binaries from other devices when necessary. There is never such a thing as a bug free AOSP Rom, except for a Google device and/or Google edition.
The Google edition roms on the other hand, were compiled by HTC for a device that they know in and out. Unfortunately, this is one of those times when "the vendor knows best", simply because of sheer resources and hardware documentation.
It would be possible to port the GE roms if you guys ported the GPE kernel and used that to port the rom, like Zarboz and newtoroot did for the DNA.
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Have you ever used one of the IRC builds of cm10 or cm10.1? They're more stable and are more feature rich than the stock ROM that shipped with this device or any of the updates that they were gracious enough to let sense users download over the air. The 3.0 kernel was seriously stable, but the 3.4 kernel is (nearly as) stable _and_ leaves more RAM for your silly animation effects and whatever. It's based on the reference kernel for the chip set, if I'm not making an arse of myself. So pick a build. I know 1/16 was an awesome cm10, and like I said in another topic I had 191 hours uptime on the 7/23 cm10.1 before I rebooted to rule out the ROM when I was having data issues(it was the network) </rant>
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You would be surprised at what shortcuts OEMs take too.
Just because they have the resources doesn't necessarily mean it's cost effective, or that their software engineers have the time, to redo everything from scratch for each device. It's usually much easier to make it for one and then adapt that copy for use on other devices. I actually found this site thanks to htc's sloppy implementation of hdmi on the original evo. According to them it was impossible to fix until Toastcfh and Netarchy did just that and rewrote their kernel from scratch (iirc).
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Not saying they are perfect and neither am I taking sides. But the fact of the matter is that AOSP is ported using binaries made for other devices and other hacks and so is nearly impossible to make it 100% compared to vanilla nexus roms. Issues are inevitable. And those same exact shortcuts you stated apply to and are no exception with AOSP ports like CM or evervolv. They also commonize (not a word, I know) as much as possible. They group devices like all the d2 and all the jflte, or even by processor like s4_common, etc under one common branch to make it easier for themselves to maintain.
I know I'm not gonna win here because of several things, namely being that I'm taking the "wrong" stance from the majority's point of view. But I just felt adding my 0.02 would help with the OP's original question.
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Someone please correct me if I'm thinking of the wrong device, but I believe it was the htc TyTN2 where htc didn't even bother to include a fully functional display driver because they didn't want to pay the license for it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359534
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Ha! That was my first smartphone! I first signed up on xda (under a different name) when that phone launched (I got it as the att tilt) so that I could run manila and then android on it! That display driver issue was so frustrating. Sorry for ot, but I haven't thought about that in ages.
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Not saying they are perfect and neither am I taking sides. But the fact of the matter is that AOSP is ported using binaries made for other devices and other hacks and so is nearly impossible to make it 100% compared to vanilla nexus roms. Issues are inevitable. And those same exact shortcuts you stated apply to and are no exception with AOSP ports like CM or evervolv. They also commonize (not a word, I know) as much as possible. They group devices like all the d2 and all the jflte, or even by processor like s4_common, etc under one common branch to make it easier for themselves to maintain.
I know I'm not gonna win here because of several things, namely being that I'm taking the "wrong" stance from the majority's point of view. But I just felt adding my 0.02 would help with the OP's original question.
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It's not accurate to say the binaries are made for other devices when the devices are all basically the same. The MSM8960, for example, has it's own binaries, but the same chip is used in a range of devices from the Evo LTE, Blackberry Z10, One X (LTE), One XL, Windows Phone 8X, LG Mach, Moto Droid Razr M, Droid Razr, Razr Max, Atrix HD, Incredible HD, Xperia GX TL SX & V, Galaxy S III... the list goes on
The binaries all of those devices use were developed for the Qualcomm devkit I've linked below.
When you're working with a sense ROM versus an AOSP ROM there are many differences in not only appearance but the framework as well, but once you start getting down to the kernel level the hardware is all basically the same. Where we have the advantage over OEMs is that most companies know it's counterproductive and a waste of money to go after enthusiasts who borrow their binaries from one device to use on something else. If an OEM did that they would be sued in a heartbeat.
https://developer.qualcomm.com/mobile-development/development-devices/snapdragon-s4-msm8960-mdps
edit: probably actually this instead, but same difference: http://shop.intrinsyc.com/products/dragonboard-members-only
To digress back to the OP's original question though, the google edition One is basically just the one with AOSP on it. If you can find a pure AOSP ROM it'll be the exact same thing.
Thanks for the info I'm really thinking of seeing if i can try and make my own ROM and plus I've always wanted to do so hopefully it all goes well. I just don't wanna brick my phone in the process hahaha. Do you guys think trying to build off of the HTC One GE rom and convert it over to the EVO or use an EVO based AOSP ROM? Thanks again for all the help.
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Thanks for the info I'm really thinking of seeing if i can try and make my own ROM and plus I've always wanted to do so hopefully it all goes well. I just don't wanna brick my phone in the process hahaha. Do you guys think trying to build off of the HTC One GE rom and convert it over to the EVO or use an EVO based AOSP ROM? Thanks again for all the help.
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Why don't you just build AOSP? You can use the CM kernel and pull the relevant vendor files from an existing AOSP ROM (or find an up-to-date github with them).
That way you don't have to worry about having the extra customizations, but you'll still have a kernel built from Qualcomm source along with the ROM.
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I have tried a lot of ROMs and I find these devs do a much better job than stock ROMs yes you have some bugs in some but the always work them out cudos to the devs I'm just glad they still support my device and having gabe up on it