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HI at all HTC Hero users.
ATM i use a htc touch pro, it is nice but i want to change to android, because there are a lot off nice apllications, and the ports for the touch pro are too laggy, eat too much battery etc.
So i want a nice android device.
I have a question for you:
Does the HTC Hero has enought power for android (at this moment)?
For me, the following things are important:
1. applications (navigation system or other GPS-programs; and other apps work without problems)
2. games like angry birds; paper toss ect work without a workaround: just install from the market and play
I know that dualcore-devices will come next month but i need this phone for some games(like explained), listen to music, surf a little bit on web and use applications like gps sport etc.
I also do not want 4.0" devices, 3,2" is perfect for me.
So my question is: does the HTC Hero has enought power(with the right rom and overclocked to 691-729MHZ) for my use?
Thanks for your answers,
BikerBoy030
BikerBoy030 said:
HI at all HTC Hero users.
ATM i use a htc touch pro, it is nice but i want to change to android, because there are a lot off nice apllications, and the ports for the touch pro are too laggy, eat too much battery etc.
So i want a nice android device.
I have a question for you:
Does the HTC Hero has enought power for android (at this moment)?
For me, the following things are important:
1. applications (navigation system or other GPS-programs; and other apps work without problems)
2. games like angry birds; paper toss ect work without a workaround: just install from the market and play
I know that dualcore-devices will come next month but i need this phone for some games(like explained), listen to music, surf a little bit on web and use applications like gps sport etc.
I also do not want 4.0" devices, 3,2" is perfect for me.
So my question is: does the HTC Hero has enought power(with the right rom and overclocked to 691-729MHZ) for my use?
Thanks for your answers,
BikerBoy030
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Google Navigation works okay for me, sometimes slightly slow and the latest version of angry birds is laggy but Paper Toss works relatively well.
Honestly, at this stage I wouldn't recommend it unless you're on a really tight budget. Even then, a phone such as the ZTE Blade which has a high res 3.5 inch screen is under £100, if you want a HTC then go for a Legend which has decent enough performance.
the simple answer is no. In the current android climate, the hero doesn't cut it. I still think its a great sized phone, cant agree more with you on that one, but its processor, no matter how overclocked, doesn't come close to even the cpu of the original droid, never mind the snapdragons, or the future dual core cpus. The hero doesn't have a dedicated graphics chipset, so you can wave goodbye to angry birds, and all but the simplest android games. The hero is only capable of openGLS 1.1 (I think?) and most phones and games nowadays use openGLS 2
GPS... Well, for me it's been a largely poor experience. The hero's battery is poor at best under heavyish use, so you will have to have a charger to hand for GPS. and even then, it runs hot, and isn't the best experience ever (UI lag). Others may have faired better in this department though.
So no, I would never recommend buying a hero now. Its been a great phone for the time I've had it, and I'll be sad to see it go, but at the same time I really can't wait to embrace a more powerful, capable android phone as soon as my contract runs out.
Thanks for the fast answers.
It wasn't the answer, i wanted to hear... but i am happy to hear it from you, than to feel it after buying this device.
The Blade isn't my phone because the software development isn't as big as i like. I want some tweaked devices, with good hardware.
Because i buyed an Acer Neotouch S200 (same hardware like the HD2) but it wasn't as good as the HD2: bad GPS, no good software, quite bad.
So i need to wait for the dual-cores to get a nice andoird experience?
For me it is important:- i want to listen to music(stream radio/ mp3)
- use a fast GPS-programm to navigate and to do sport
- use applications like : rss, kcal counter etc...
- the phone need to be handy (no 4" display)
- play some games not the newest ones like quake2/3 , just little games for freetime
big thanks to you,
BikerBoy030
could be closed, i wouldn't buy an HTC Hero:
thanks for the helpers
BikerBoy030 said:
could be closed, i wouldn't buy an HTC Hero:
thanks for the helpers
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Maybe you could look at the Original Desire then? Screen is 3.7 inch but it would suit all your needs, plus it's going to get Gingerbread so I think there will be development on it for another year. I don't think it's too expensive now either.
Good luck with whatever you choose to buy.
Wait for Wildfire S. It has more RAM and faster CPU and its a bit smaller
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the simple answer is no. In the current android climate, the hero doesn't cut it. I still think its a great sized phone, cant agree more with you on that one, but its processor, no matter how overclocked, doesn't come close to even the cpu of the original droid, never mind the snapdragons, or the future dual core cpus. The hero doesn't have a dedicated graphics chipset, so you can wave goodbye to angry birds, and all but the simplest android games. The hero is only capable of openGLS 1.1 (I think?) and most phones and games nowadays use openGLS 2
GPS... Well, for me it's been a largely poor experience. The hero's battery is poor at best under heavyish use, so you will have to have a charger to hand for GPS. and even then, it runs hot, and isn't the best experience ever (UI lag). Others may have faired better in this department though.
So no, I would never recommend buying a hero now. Its been a great phone for the time I've had it, and I'll be sad to see it go, but at the same time I really can't wait to embrace a more powerful, capable android phone as soon as my contract runs out.
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+1 here
My biggest gripe with the Hero is it's performance. When android was fresh and fairly simple and with not too many demanding apps it was fine, just. Now though it is like running that computer you bought ages ago, where it runs the OS ok, but once you do stuff it kinda feels a bit sluggish. OK if you don't push it but you'll always be wanting more.
I'm personally looking forward to something more snappier in the summer when my contract is due.
Hi, I know iv posted a few threads already asking about future proofing of the Galaxy S2 however i have a different question specifically related 2 gaming and game releases and updates not hardware or OS Software.
First question is: after the Galaxy S3 will launch, in other peoples experience with Android, will the games continue 2 be developed for the GS2..aswell as GAME updates, etc? I am fairly new to Android therefore dont know much about it yet or what to expect, but from others' experience, do games still get developed for "older" devices..and if so for how long usually?
Second Question: I always use my GS2 as im a pocket gamer, the big screen is marvelous, always gets me coming back 2 the GS2. Looking at benchmark tests in comparison to iphone 4s, it only has offscreen where the 4S wins hands down... however in Native Resolution(where most ppl play the games...on the phone screen) how much difference is the 4S GPU in terms of performance? Not including offscreen... or does anyone know where to fnd the benchmarks that ARENT offscreen?
the 1 site i found is here and it seems like the GS2 wins in Native Resolution GPU performance:
http://glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Samsung+GT-i9100+Galaxy+S2&benchmark=glpro21 <---- Galaxy S2
http://glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Apple+iPhone+4S&benchmark=glpro21 <---- iPhone 4S
I just want to get a bit better understanding of android and my GS2 thats all, thanks
When playing games on iPhone 4S and the Galaxy S2, i actually dont notice too much difference... what would others prefer 2 game on and why?(excluding the fact apple has more games to choose from)??
If gaming is your focus get the iPhone 4s. It has the best GPU atm and games are released on iOS before they get released on Android.
That being said you can use Android to game, too (actually quite well) but the iPhone still wins in that department.
....OH REALLY!!!???
i know the games get released on iOS first... but the small screen is annoying sometimes depending on the game.
I wanted an in depth answer from the benchmarks i posted and all
and btw, gaming is not just my focus, the whole phone is, screen size, how long it'll last, what you are able to do on it, etc... gaming is just my question in focus!
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....OH REALLY!!!???
i know the games get released on iOS first... but the small screen is annoying sometimes depending on the game.
I wanted an in depth answer from the benchmarks i posted and all
and btw, gaming is not just my focus, the whole phone is, screen size, how long it'll last, what you are able to do on it, etc... gaming is just my question in focus!
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Then your question is much more complicated as all those factors depend on personal perception. As such you should get a hand on both devices (preferrably for a day or longer) and see which one fits your needs.
There's not really THE "in depth answer", but many answers, based on personal opinion.
So all I can offer is my reasons why I went the SGS II route:
a) I love AMOLED
b) I wanted a big screen
c) The reviews I read about it were great
d) It's very light, despite being huge
e) It's so flat
f) More of a general statement about Android: the way to customize the phone I want it, in every single way.
That being said I can see other, huge advantages for the iPhone, too:
a) Retina, it has a higher resolution than the SGS II
b) A big screen is not for everyone as some people prefer smaller phones
c) I love the glass design of the iPhone 4s
d) More games, more apps
e) Strongest GPU on the market, only rivaled by the iPad 2.
Those are my opinions about both phones, based on personal perception (I even bought my girlfriend an iPhone 4s as she has much iTunes music/movies already) and the technical facts.
As I said, that's just my opinion but I hope that you understand now, why I believe, that there is no definite answer.
I think the 2.x.x is a problem, not being optimized for multi core can affect overall performance since the OS mediates all the function calls but i'm not sure.
And being the hardware and software manufacturer always will give Apple some advantage, they can fine tune the software, i honestly think the Android phone lacks this skills.
But AFAIK custom roms can be more optimized than stock ones, i don't know how, but they usually scores better in benchmarks.
For me it's quite simple. Many people tend to enjoy puzzle games and such on their mobiles (e.g. Angry Birds, Cut the rope), because no matter what more complex games are hard to handle on a touchscreen. If you're that kind of person, then the SGS2 is the way to go: i can't see puzzle games becoming too good for this hardware in at least a couple years, plus the AMOLED screen of this device makes cartoonish graphics look really awesome, and the huge sizes deliver you a great experience.
Otherwise, if you want console quality games on your phone, with a complex story, complex controls and amazing 3d graphics (e.g. Shadowgun, Modern Combat 3) then the iPhone is the only way to go: it will be supported for a long time and its hardware will grow older much slowly because of the dedicated development.
Imho at the end of the day complex games will never be very suitable to a mobile device: controls have to be weird and unintuitive, and will take up most of the screen; also, they're not very suitable to be played on the go. Games like Cut the rope for example are a much better option when you are on the go, they will take much less effort and headaches to be played and in the end will give you more fun. All in all mobile games should be those time wasters we can use while we need to wait for the bus or something like that, a fully blown gaming experience feels out of place imho. I've played most of the high end 3d games to date on my device, but if i think about it most of the times i did i was at home on the couch, while instead i hardly touched them while on the go, when simple games like Trial X or Cut the rope are the best way to have fun imho. In the end you gonna do what i did, and realize that high end games are a waste on mobile devices, because they are so complex and involving that the only way to enjoy them is being at home, where you can have your console/gaming pc and have much more fun. Just my 2 cents.
u want gaming get an iphone
u want a bigger screen get sgs2
u want gaming on a big screen
wait for iphone 5
OR
gaming on a portable device
PS vita
3ds
etc
You can have an idea looking in the SGS1 forums. Probably when SGS3 be out on the shelves, SGS2 will receive the same treatment SGS1 is receiving since SGS2 was released.
^ Very likely right.
The price we have to pay for this open plattform is that there's a high degree of fragmentation. I wish they would make phones a bit more expensive, but stop releasing them so fast.
Then again:
the advantage of Android is, that we don't have to rely on Samsung at all, when it comes to updates.
i dont wanna particulary read more forums again!
can someone just tell me the answers 2 my damn questions?
I am sure with your greatfull attitude, you will get the answers you seek promptly.....surely nobody would expect you to use a forum search and find the answer like everyone else does ....
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peterdan1506 said:
i dont wanna particulary read more forums again!
can someone just tell me the answers 2 my damn questions?
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Ok, i'll write it down in more simple manner, directly addressing your op:
1)Benchmarks mean NOTHING, especially when comparing 2 completely different platforms, ran in a completely different manner. Anyway, fwiw the gpu in the iPhone is about twice as powerful as the one in the the GS2, so expect that the high end games specifically designed to take advantage of the a5 soc will SUCK on the GS2 simply because there's no comparison. They may be ported to the GS2 because it's a well selling phone, this is very likely to happen, but they'll probably have much less detail/effects and will probably lag and stutter. You can't really see that now, but trust me: in a few months some of those will come out, and you'll know i was right.
Even assuming that the GS2 will be fast enough for those (and it won't) they will still run better on the iPhone, basically because Android games are ports of games which were born with the iPhone hardware in mind.
2)iPhone version will always be the one relased first, and also the one receiving more updates/bugfixes (e.g. the iPhone version of MC2 has more maps in the multiplayer version).
Now i'll also write it in caps so that you won't have more doubts about it: GET THE FREAKING IPHONE.
just like what vnvman said
get an IPHONE !!!!
or
get a 3ds or something
peterdan1506 said:
i dont wanna particulary read more forums again!
can someone just tell me the answers 2 my damn questions?
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Hey if you are smart enough you can type g o o g l e. com and find your damn answers cry baby.
Emulators flawless victory... You don't know how many iphonerz have seen me playing super Mario 64 on my tablet and asked "is that an iPad? What's that app called?
Angry birds is so yesterday.. N64 was last decade
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Android also has a much greater market share than IOS (44.8% compared with 27.4%) - its no surprise that the Android Market is set to surpass the Appstore in 2012 as Android IS EVERYWHERE! Developers can earn much more money developing for the majority! .... Apple are seriously worried, releasing this poo iphone and Steve jobs dying aswell. Oh Dear - samsung & google are booming,
Ice cream sandwich is supposed to give our GPU a massive boost, so exciting times.
Apple does seem to get the games first, however as ive said - this is slowly changing, ive also failed to see a game run smoothly on the SGS2.
Browsing, watching movies and playing touch screen games are much better on the bigger screen, with the much better colours. You have to remember, on a 3.5in screen, your fingers dont get any smaller!
I wouldnt go for the iphone, its a poor release from apple, i think its more of a desperate release than anything.
Sure, the screen on the iphone does have a greater resolution, there is no denying this - however, they fail to tell you that this is only noticeable when zooming in 'further than' a double tap zoom. They also fail to mention that the iphone screen as a contrast ratio of 1400:1, the SGS2 is 100000:1 (everyone sees the contrast without zooming in, its the vibrant colours, the depth of colour and the blackest blacks etc)
But half the ram?
No customization?
Smaller screen?
Thicker?
Heavier?
Easily smashed?
No flash still?
No external sd slot?
No hdmi slot?
Underclocked 800mhz cpu?
Smaller battery?
No bluetooth file sharing?
Poor integration to social media?
I could go on...
to me - the SGS2 is a clear choice.
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3d intensive high-end game development takes time and I think those games are optimized not the latest but a strong mainstream hardware in mind. I think gs2 have enough juice to deal with any upcoming games for a year or two especially on a 800x480 screen. Iphone pixel count is cca 33% more so needs a 33% stronger gpu for the same performance and cpu performance is inferior. At the end I do not think that in real life gaming a 4s could really show its gpu advantage.
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Not a big fan of benchmarks myself, but I have looked into GLBenchmark comparisons between the 4S and the S2. Here are my impressions:
- Both the S2 and 4S are essentially vsync limited for the Egypt and Pro onscreen tests, comparing them therefore is pointless. Although what I would say is it becomes exponentially harder for a framerate to get closer to 60fps when vsync limited, what I mean is it's harder to go from an average of 58fps to 59fps than to go from 57fps to 58fps.
- In the offscreen tests run at 720, you should expect all devices to have a reduced framerate from their native resolution for obvious reasons. The 4S is the only device I have found in the results database (with a lower than 720 native res) where the framerate actually increases. This strikes me as rather suspect and I would suggest that the iOS implementation of GLBenchmark is somewhat ballsed up.
- When I ran a lot of the specialised benchmarks used GLBenchmark what I saw is that actually a number of the tests are vsync capped at 60fps for the S2, so even overclocking the GPU does not increase scores. Somehow the 4S gets around this cap also on the individual tests and so its scores are significantly higher naturally. Furthermore the tests which are capped on the S2 are the ones where it already outscores the 4S. The GPUs on the 4S and S2 are very different and so you would expect them to perform better at different things and this is borne out in the results here.
Essentially what this means is that even with the cross platform nature of GLBenchmark, you still can't really compare the GPUs or 3D performance. I have yet to come across a game that has produced any noticeable framerate drop on the S2 and so it surely fits the purpose at least until the next generation of phones come out. It is only likely to get more buttery smooth under ICS and so I can't see anyone having a reason to complain.
Question boils down to do you want the earlier access to games or do you want the freedom of android? It seems to me we are seeing more simultaneous releases than in the past and the reported numbers from the App Store vs the Android Market are suggesting that Android is catching up fast in revenue terms in which case timing may be a moot point in the near future.
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I am sure with your greatfull attitude, you will get the answers you seek promptly.....surely nobody would expect you to use a forum search and find the answer like everyone else does ....
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+1
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You can have an idea looking in the SGS1 forums. Probably when SGS3 be out on the shelves, SGS2 will receive the same treatment SGS1 is receiving since SGS2 was released.
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I own a transformer 101, galaxy tab 10.1, xoom fe and a ipad 2.
Portable gaming has become very big! Alot of people like to game on the go... With that being said the GPU of future tablets should have some impressive portable gaming on the way.
You can find benchmark tests online that show that the SGX543MP2 is more capable than tegra 3s gpu. But how well does the tegra 3 really stack up against it? I would really like to know and compare which will be better for portable gaming.
What are your opinions on this? Does it matter to you that the next gen of andorid tablets seems to have a weaker GPU than a year old tablet? Or do you think the GPU in the prime will be great for tablet gaming for the next year?
Sure I game on my PC when im at home but when I am on the go I like to have a nice tablet device that can also play some killer games!
ILl be the first. WHO CARES! plus this is a redundant/repeat thread. Just because you put it in question form doesn't make it any different from the other thread. Members here already see you as trolling. Always talking about how this or that not better than ipad2. You the only one who sole reason for a tablet is gaming. Gaming is fine on the prime and can do way more than just play games. I play them also but not my main concern. Plus this new chipset is overall better than ipad2. The reviews showed it and several other members think so also.
So if you think you can convince members here to believe apple/ipad2 is better than Android, you lost. Talk about something intelligent for once other then friggn gaming. Most people have lives, work jobs. Gaming is only a hobby/pastime. You make it seem like all you do is gaming. Such focus on gaming must mean you are young or probably a teenager.
Project IRON FIST initiated . You are just so obvious at trolling about apple in an Android forum. At least be discreet about it.
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I knew your name looked familiar.
This thread is not about chipset.. its about the GPU, if you dont have anything helpful or informative to post then dont post.
We are not interested about how you are butt-hurt about every little negative having to do with the Prime... I am just trying to get a better comparison of last years best tablet (imo) to the new ones coming out.
I suppose your going to delete this thread too but I think people have the right to know about this information and discuss it.
Ipad 2 is the only apple product I have ever owned and I also own multiple android devices. So please stop with the "droid fan boy act" and try to be informative for once and have a open mind.
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This thread is not about chipset.. its about the GPU, if you dont have anything helpful or informative to post then dont post.
We are not interested about how you are butt-hurt about every little negative having to do with the Prime... I am just trying to get a better comparison of last years best tablet (imo) to the new ones coming out.
I suppose your going to delete this thread too but I think people have the right to know about this information and discuss it.
Ipad 2 is the only apple product I have ever owned and I also own multiple android devices. So please stop with the "droid fan boy act" and try to be informative for once and have a open mind.
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you gave me a thank for calling you a troll... uh.. mmk. ur just contradicting yourself. but fyi the processor makes a different in the gpu load and performance, everything put together does, ram included
Come on, give it a break already. There are already benchmarks out there. iPad 2 has faster GPU, while the Prime has a faster CPU.
I'm glad you are enjoying your iPad games, but most gamers are too busy playing Skyrim to care.
Oh? zedklind I thought you posted because you wanted a cookie...
You sure didnt have anything informative to say so I figured you just wanted a pat on the back or something, my bad...
Gaming on the Prime still looks very impressive
http://www.slashgear.com/asus-trans...games-bladeslinger-glowball-chidori-06200431/
I see in games that they offer more details in tegra 3 games than in ipad games. So developers of games think that tegra is faster and more capable.
Sent from me...
Thats is what I am hoping for, but i just hope that the android platform doesnt scare alot of developers away...
Being so easy to just download any .apk file and intall it (expecially when any android device can do this right out of the box stock) without having to pay anything for it isnt really going to bring in many top developers. I really hope ICS addresses this issue.
If they do fix the issue i see a birght future for tegra 3 and android, and it will mean lots of new great apps and games for us!
i was the first to make a thread about this but i still think graphics doesn't matter at all on tablets, theres only 1! game on the ipad2 that has graphics worthy of there GPU, and it doesnt sell nearly as well as any of the little crap games.
I hate any game on my ipad that had good graphics, they always figured a pretty picture was good enough. I had a jailbroken ipad so i played all the games, and the best and funnest games are always the well drawn games, the cartoony little games.
unless im missing the point here.
I think the point for me is that I am excited to get this device and I will probably casually play whatever games are developed for it. If those games are developed for this tablet in particular I assume they will work well with the hardware. If they don't, I won't buy them. This tablet will game. That much has been proven. Now let's see if anybody will develop anything for it.
On a lighter note, I personally don't need my tablet to be able to whip out its di..ahem...GPU and be bigger than everybody else's in the room. That said I don't want it to attempt that feat and end up with the tiniest little button peni...um GPU... in the room either. But we already know that isn't going to happen.
All that said I will just be happy to get a firm..ahem...solid...um..definite release date.
I've followed a lot of OP's posts, and you have a lot of the tendencies of a troll.
To answer the thread, yes, absolutely the iPad 2 has a better GPU than the TF Prime. I don't see what the point of this thread is other than to flame-bait because I think most of us already know that.
I have an Xbox 360 to play videogames on. But if I do ever want to play games on a TF Prime, everything that I've seen so far played on it looks like it runs very well. So if your post was meant, as I can well guess, to make me respond in some impassioned way, it didn't go very far because it only pushed my yawn button. You basically just played the sledge hammer game at carnivals where you try to ring the bell at the top and only made the ring of anger go up by 1 section.
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I've followed a lot of OP's posts, and you have a lot of the tendencies of a troll.
To answer the thread, yes, absolutely the iPad 2 has a better GPU than the TF Prime. I don't see what the point of this thread is other than to flame-bait because I think most of us already know that.
I have an Xbox 360 to play videogames on. But if I do ever want to play games on a TF Prime, everything that I've seen so far played on it looks like it runs very well. So if your post was meant, as I can well guess, to make me respond in some impassioned way, it didn't go very far because it only pushed my yawn button. You basically just played the sledge hammer game at carnivals where you try to ring the bell at the top and only made the ring of anger go up by 1 section.
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Like I said in the OP, at home i play on my gaming PC or gaming console but while I am at work or out of town I like to play games on my tablet, I would never expect my tablet to be on par with my gaming PC or 360... And lugging around a 360 or gaming PC everywhere I go would be a pain.
I'm talking about portable gaming devices... you know, psp,dsi,vita.
Most people (i assume) are getting the prime because it has the latest Nvidia tegra 3 GPU which is made for gaming, any other tablet can browse the web, watch movies or play music.
So far I am hearing good things about tegra 3 and its future that nvidia is working hard on. Now we just need more game developers and app developers. Nvidia did their part and now its up to google and ICS to make a good home for developers in the future.
And i dont want to show off that my tablet has a bigger dong than someone elses but rather I would like to know it has the latest and most future proof dong currently available. That way i dont have to go out and buy a new dong every year... :x
In fact this whole discussion is absolutely pointless.
You can't tell both GPU's performance only from the benchmarks.
Why do you think Riptide GP looks that much better on Tegra 3 compared to the iPad2? Because the iPad has the better GPU? I doubt this
Synthetic benchmarks will never be useful to compare anything... Especially not on different OS platforms...
People need to get away from all this benchmark thing...
Btw I really doubt that there is a single game out there that maxes the Tegra 2. It's not about Tegra's lack of performance but about missing developers...
The Android world is the wrong world to get into if you want a dong that will be top dong for a full year. The whole tech world moves too fast for anyone to always have the best device and we just have to resign ourselves to that.
That said, I think Tegra 3 is very future proof. Let's shift our focus away from the technical discussion for a moment and over to the real world: Tegra 3 is essentially going to be the Android tablet standard for 2012 and ICS. They have already indicated that Tegra 3 devices will be coming out at least through mid year. At that point there will likely be a few better, newer SoCs, but Tegra 3 will still be sort of considered the baseline to which everything else will be compared, primarily since it is the first ICS quad core platform. When new SoCs come out, people will want to know how much faster they are than Tegra 3.
On another note, you really don't need to worry about the GPU so much. I already wrote an extensive post elsewhere about how Asus has packed the TF Prime with top of the line specs: rave reviews for the screen, awesome reviews for the form factor/design/build quality, the first good tablet camera and consequently the best, 32 GB starter memory when with most tablets the top of the line model comes with 32 GB, and of course the dock, which is an engineering effort and cost that no other tablet maker has to swallow. Considering it has all these things and comes in at such a fair price, it makes absolute sense that Asus had to cut costs in certain areas. If the GPU is that victim, so be it. Check this out: the new Motorola XyBoard tablet just became official, and the base model of the same screen size comes in at $30 MORE than the TF Prime even though it doesn't have NEARLY the same specs:
http://androidcommunity.com/verizons-motorola-droid-xyboard-gets-official-in-10-1-and-8-2-flavors-20111206/
I have a HTC Sensation. It is most often compared to the Samsung Galaxy SII. The Sensation has a better GPU, while the SGS2 has the better CPU. The SGS2 by far is the faster device (and I'm a Sensation owner, I'm not exaggerating). It is a much smoother experience in essentially every area, including gaming, even though it has the inferior GPU. My point here is that GPU isn't everything. HTC did a poor job of optimizing their drivers, so the GPU isn't even used for its full capabilities. Samsung, meanwhile, took a lesser GPU and managed to make something out of it. And let's not forget the large advantage the CPU has. The SGS2 in that sense is sort of analogous to the TF Prime, with an awesome CPU and a sort of average GPU. But since the overall performance of the device will come down to a confluence of way more factors than just 1 spec, don't pass the device off simply because you dislike 1 spec. Like I said, I can get over 1 unimpressive feature considering how much of the rest of the device blows my mind (again, please compare the TF Prime to the Motorola XyBoard and just TRY to tell me that Asus didn't put a HUGE effort into making the TF Prime the best possible device while still making some kind of money off it).
The iPad 2 is more "futur proof" when it comes to games not because of performance but because of the plateform. There hardly won't be any game worthwhile that will be on Android but not on iOS. But there will be some games only on iOS.
The Tegra 3 is overall at the same level of performance than the A5 in the ipad2 but it doesn't means you can compare the two devices.
Tegra 3 is the most future proof you'll get for Android, nvidia is pushing games for it, you'll have exclusivity and games specifically design for it.
The real question is do you want iOS or Android ?
If your choice is base on games and games only (wich is weird because, honestly, games on mobile plateform aren't worth buying an expensive device only for them) then go for iOS, right now, that's where you'll get the best games.
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The Android world is the wrong world to get into if you want a dong that will be top dong for a full year. The whole tech world moves too fast for anyone to always have the best device and we just have to resign ourselves to that.
That said, I think Tegra 3 is very future proof. Let's shift our focus away from the technical discussion for a moment and over to the real world: Tegra 3 is essentially going to be the Android tablet standard for 2012 and ICS. They have already indicated that Tegra 3 devices will be coming out at least through mid year. At that point there will likely be a few better, newer SoCs, but Tegra 3 will still be sort of considered the baseline to which everything else will be compared, primarily since it is the first ICS quad core platform. When new SoCs come out, people will want to know how much faster they are than Tegra 3.
On another note, you really don't need to worry about the GPU so much. I already wrote an extensive post elsewhere about how Asus has packed the TF Prime with top of the line specs: rave reviews for the screen, awesome reviews for the form factor/design/build quality, the first good tablet camera and consequently the best, 32 GB starter memory when with most tablets the top of the line model comes with 32 GB, and of course the dock, which is an engineering effort and cost that no other tablet maker has to swallow. Considering it has all these things and comes in at such a fair price, it makes absolute sense that Asus had to cut costs in certain areas. If the GPU is that victim, so be it. Check this out: the new Motorola XyBoard tablet just became official, and the base model of the same screen size comes in at $30 MORE than the TF Prime even though it doesn't have NEARLY the same specs:
http://androidcommunity.com/verizons-motorola-droid-xyboard-gets-official-in-10-1-and-8-2-flavors-20111206/
I have a HTC Sensation. It is most often compared to the Samsung Galaxy SII. The Sensation has a better GPU, while the SGS2 has the better CPU. The SGS2 by far is the faster device (and I'm a Sensation owner, I'm not exaggerating). It is a much smoother experience in essentially every area, including gaming, even though it has the inferior GPU. My point here is that GPU isn't everything. HTC did a poor job of optimizing their drivers, so the GPU isn't even used for its full capabilities. Samsung, meanwhile, took a lesser GPU and managed to make something out of it. And let's not forget the large advantage the CPU has. The SGS2 in that sense is sort of analogous to the TF Prime, with an awesome CPU and a sort of average GPU. But since the overall performance of the device will come down to a confluence of way more factors than just 1 spec, don't pass the device off simply because you dislike 1 spec. Like I said, I can get over 1 unimpressive feature considering how much of the rest of the device blows my mind (again, please compare the TF Prime to the Motorola XyBoard and just TRY to tell me that Asus didn't put a HUGE effort into making the TF Prime the best possible device while still making some kind of money off it).
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You can't compare Sense device to something else It's not their drivers or what it's just Sense overall...
Sense is the biggest piece of crap code i've ever seen And yet it's so beautiful and I don't want to miss it...
Just have a look at the smali code of for example Rosie... It's absolutely horrible There is not a single reason why this thing shouldn't be slow.
Even with a Tegra 3 (-->HTC Edge) Sense will be laggy
But yes, your point of view is correct. It all comes down to optimisation of the OS...
I hope ASUS put a lot more develoment time in ICS than they did with HC
Diamondback2010 said:
In fact this whole discussion is absolutely pointless.
You can't tell both GPU's performance only from the benchmarks.
Why do you think Riptide GP looks that much better on Tegra 3 compared to the iPad2? Because the iPad has the better GPU? I doubt this
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Riptide looks better becuase the developer got help from Nvidia and had specific optimisations for it. Fyi, riptide on the ipad and ipad2 look almost exactly the same despite the ipad2 being up to 9x faster.
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Riptide looks better becuase the developer got help from Nvidia and had specific optimisations for it. Fyi, riptide on the ipad and ipad2 look almost exactly the same despite the ipad2 being up to 9x faster.
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I tried to make the same point before. There are hardly any ipad 2 optimized games only. They are all identical except for a few. Those few only have very minor upgrades. Nothing night and day different although ipad2 supposed to be 9x faster/more powerful.
I just hope developement for tegra3 picks up alot of support all across the board. We need more tablet only apps and games optimized for tegra3. I just heard ipad is getting microsoft office in feb. 2012. I really hope this comes to android also asap. Tegra3 has tons of potential. I really hope the developers take advantage of it and we see some high grade topnotch software.
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My daughter has saved up some money and is interested in getting a tablet to play with on holiday etc. Due to her young age I'm sure games will be a big deal. I have been looking at the Versus Touchpad 7 tablet which seems remarkably good value, but there was one comment on PC World's feedback that worries and makes be curious
"If you are purching this for kids and they want to download well known games from the Google Play store beware - many do not work with it, e.g. most EA games e.g. Fifa 2012, Monopoly, plus PES 2012, and the support you get from Google play or the game manufacturers in little to none."
The device has ICS and comes with Google Play, and it has an ARM Cortex A8 processor.
Why would these games not work? is it true? How do you choose an ICS tablet if it's that complicated?
thanks
It's because they all have different GPU's like PowerVR, Mali and Tegra and some Games only work with certain GPUs unless you Root and use Chainfire 3D, and I know it's annoying but that's just the way it is.
It is not usually that difficult, if a tablet has a decent gpu and at least 1 ghz cpu with one gig ram it will be fine for most games.
The problem is that the specific tablet you refer to is a low budget model that can be found rebranded by various companies and to keep costs low they use a very old not very good gpu.
Because high end games need a decent gpu to handle all the high quality graphics the lower end tablets aren't compatible because the gpu hasn't the raw power needed.
They are fine for everyday use but for games you need a recent gpu as, when gaming, this part of the tablet works the hardest and so needs to be powerful.
For the same price as the tablet you mentioned you could buy the much better specced ainol novo elf II which has a dual core cpu and a quad core mali 400 gpu and that would play the games much better.
You could even go for the budget priced Nexus 7 that has the state of the art tegra 3 gpu which is the best available gpu for android devices.
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Thanks for the advice. I hate to say it but I think she might be happier with a Nintendo DS, and I am told that they are a lot more robust. She's only 8. The Nexus 7 doesn't seem widely (cheaply) available in the UK yet. It annoys me that a DS is as expensive as a tablet but at her age I think she only really wants games, particularly nintendogs.
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Thanks for the advice. I hate to say it but I think she might be happier with a Nintendo DS, and I am told that they are a lot more robust. She's only 8. The Nexus 7 doesn't seem widely (cheaply) available in the UK yet. It annoys me that a DS is as expensive as a tablet but at her age I think she only really wants games, particularly nintendogs.
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The ds can be strong although in the past few years my ten year old has broken quite a few.
With the ds you can buy the lite version, or even original, which makes it a lot cheaper if you need to replace it.
As for the The Nexus 7 it will always be around £160 because it is sold by google pretty much at cost so won't come down in price unfortunately.
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I spent a couple of hours with my daughter in PC world playing with the Nexus 7. There are a ton of games but they just didn't seem to engage her the way that the DS games did. A Nexus 7 is £200 on the high street but to be honest a DS with a couple of games is just as much. She has been saving for a year for a DS and now is really enjoying it so I guess that's okay.
The tip about the ainol novo elf II is very interesting. Maybe I will have to find an excuse to buy one.
If I had been a bit more organised she could have had a used DS and an Novo Elf II with the money she had but we need it to go away on holiday and I just left it too late. Oh well. Thanks for the replies.
Looking for cheap but powerful android internals
So i am in the process of designing, programming and creating my own device. I will make the outer casing, I plan on putting a heat sync and a mini passive cooling fan on the board. My major problem at the moment is finding a powerful but cheap android phone that I could use to tear the internals out of (screen included and attached) and from that I will base the casing for my device off that board and the screen that came with that device. This device will primarily be for gaming, music, video playback and internet browsing. It will serve an almost identical purpose to the project shield, just on a smaller scale power (hardware) wise.
I was planning on spending no more than $150AUD on a phone and I know how much of a struggle this will be. So far I wave been looking at chinese built phones that use the mediatek mt6589 (quad core variant). But the phones may also be dual cores providing they have good gaming performance for games like modern combat 4 or nova 3, after all, the iphone 5 is dual core and it plays games better than most quad core android phones (with the exception of optimization -_-), The 2 phones and the link to where im planning to buy them are below, please tell me your thoughts and if there is anything out there that may be better for the job then please let me know! I will thanks everyone that give valid and constructive input! Also 1GB of ram is preferred, but i will allow 512mb too..
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I will update the phones list as I go along to show people, and when I have chosen I will bold the whole name and link and indicate this.
PHONES:
Daxian XY100s - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-...071447653.html
Telsda A518 - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2013-...880951190.html
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I have also been looking at the goophone x1, but havnt found it cheap enough anywhere, the daxian seems to be a more powerful version of it anyhow, just not as well known
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I dont care about the battery in the phone AT ALL as i plan to replace it with a 5000mAh or more battery, and power consumption does not need to be considered unless it is extremely high or ridiculous.
This needs to have gaming performance similar to the nexus 4, I understand that this may not be possible for the price I am demanding, but maybe start there and go down. I would like it to get around 20-25 fps on Egypt GFXbenchmark. This will also be overclocked as much as possible as the larger battery and heat sync will allow for this, THANKS!
Any further questions can be asked below, thankyou so much BTW this is called PROJECT OPTIM
Hello!
I have a Daxian XY100! Not a bad phone, fast, good hardware, JB 4.2.1 Daxian OP!
BUT!!!
The JB not too good, because lot of bugs. (doesn't show if you need charghing etc..) Bad USB BAD Camera and bad led Need lot of reboot.
I can't root,. I tried everything.
No ROMs (Unfortunatelly I don't find)
No GStore and gapps. I can't install gapps because I can't root and I don't have CWM or TWPM.
If somebody knows some solution inconnection with my problems, please write it to me!It would be a huge help for me.
SRY for my bad englis
Cheap Android device? Get the Xperia Tipo, Android 4.0.4 and is really powerful for it's price! Also it has great development (Check it's forum)
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