Why are certain apps incompatible with certain tablets (versus touchpad 7)? - Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

My daughter has saved up some money and is interested in getting a tablet to play with on holiday etc. Due to her young age I'm sure games will be a big deal. I have been looking at the Versus Touchpad 7 tablet which seems remarkably good value, but there was one comment on PC World's feedback that worries and makes be curious
"If you are purching this for kids and they want to download well known games from the Google Play store beware - many do not work with it, e.g. most EA games e.g. Fifa 2012, Monopoly, plus PES 2012, and the support you get from Google play or the game manufacturers in little to none."
The device has ICS and comes with Google Play, and it has an ARM Cortex A8 processor.
Why would these games not work? is it true? How do you choose an ICS tablet if it's that complicated?
thanks

It's because they all have different GPU's like PowerVR, Mali and Tegra and some Games only work with certain GPUs unless you Root and use Chainfire 3D, and I know it's annoying but that's just the way it is.

It is not usually that difficult, if a tablet has a decent gpu and at least 1 ghz cpu with one gig ram it will be fine for most games.
The problem is that the specific tablet you refer to is a low budget model that can be found rebranded by various companies and to keep costs low they use a very old not very good gpu.
Because high end games need a decent gpu to handle all the high quality graphics the lower end tablets aren't compatible because the gpu hasn't the raw power needed.
They are fine for everyday use but for games you need a recent gpu as, when gaming, this part of the tablet works the hardest and so needs to be powerful.
For the same price as the tablet you mentioned you could buy the much better specced ainol novo elf II which has a dual core cpu and a quad core mali 400 gpu and that would play the games much better.
You could even go for the budget priced Nexus 7 that has the state of the art tegra 3 gpu which is the best available gpu for android devices.
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Thanks for the advice. I hate to say it but I think she might be happier with a Nintendo DS, and I am told that they are a lot more robust. She's only 8. The Nexus 7 doesn't seem widely (cheaply) available in the UK yet. It annoys me that a DS is as expensive as a tablet but at her age I think she only really wants games, particularly nintendogs.

dieselnutjob said:
Thanks for the advice. I hate to say it but I think she might be happier with a Nintendo DS, and I am told that they are a lot more robust. She's only 8. The Nexus 7 doesn't seem widely (cheaply) available in the UK yet. It annoys me that a DS is as expensive as a tablet but at her age I think she only really wants games, particularly nintendogs.
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The ds can be strong although in the past few years my ten year old has broken quite a few.
With the ds you can buy the lite version, or even original, which makes it a lot cheaper if you need to replace it.
As for the The Nexus 7 it will always be around £160 because it is sold by google pretty much at cost so won't come down in price unfortunately.
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I spent a couple of hours with my daughter in PC world playing with the Nexus 7. There are a ton of games but they just didn't seem to engage her the way that the DS games did. A Nexus 7 is £200 on the high street but to be honest a DS with a couple of games is just as much. She has been saving for a year for a DS and now is really enjoying it so I guess that's okay.
The tip about the ainol novo elf II is very interesting. Maybe I will have to find an excuse to buy one.
If I had been a bit more organised she could have had a used DS and an Novo Elf II with the money she had but we need it to go away on holiday and I just left it too late. Oh well. Thanks for the replies.

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Shadowgun on GS2? Mali-400 fast but not compatible with the best games?

Hello to all the XDA community.
The following post is for those who do not feel as comfortable with the galaxy s2 device, with its Mali-400 graphics chip, although the chip itself is very powerful not provide all the features to play the most beloved games in the today. Among those who find: Sprinkles, shadowgun etc etc.
In my opinion, the cell is very fast and I really like the screen, but unfortunately when I take the iPhone 4 of my girlfriend i want to have it for me, because although the chip A4 already has more than a year now can run games that Mali -400 could not run, it's very stressful having to root your phone to play with chainfire3D, only a few games.
I ..... loving samsung galaxy line. This phone will definitely change for the iphone 5
Why? it seems unfair that i have a cell phone much better than the iphone 4 but unable to play most of the best games.
Watch this video, record from my SG2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91BiEvk4Cs8
Shadowgun playing on iphone 4 (probably can not play shadowgun in GS2)
I want the opinion of all.
nadimac said:
Hello to all the XDA community.
The following post is for those who do not feel as comfortable with the galaxy s2 device, with its Mali-400 graphics chip, although the chip itself is very powerful not provide all the features to play the most beloved games in the today. Among those who find: Sprinkles, shadowgun etc etc.
In my opinion, the cell is very fast and I really like the screen, but unfortunately when I take the iPhone 4 of my girlfriend i want to have it for me, because although the chip A4 already has more than a year now can run games that Mali -400 could not run, it's very stressful having to root your phone to play with chainfire3D, only a few games.
I ..... loving samsung galaxy line. This phone will definitely change for the iphone 5
Why? it seems unfair that i have a cell phone much better than the iphone 4 but unable to play most of the best games.
Watch this video, record from my SG2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91BiEvk4Cs8
Shadowgun playing on iphone 4 (probably can not play shadowgun in GS2)
I want the opinion of all.
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If you wanted a phone mainly for games, you should have got an iPhone.
As ask Gameloft,EA and others to release Game for the phone...
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nadimac said:
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Okay.
Don't buy something unless you know what you're buying. You're gonna be real disappointed when you buy a car and then find out that it doesn't fly or make you bacon.
You're not gonna get much help here, coming into an Android forum and telling us that our phone can't do something an iPhone can. It's not conducive to helpful responses, as it sounds like trolling and is a pointless statement.
It's because game developers are not using industry standard filtering and texture compression for the games. Mali 400 supports industry standards only, so when a game uses a propriety Nvidia or Power vr or whatever branded code, it won't work because to support the code, you need to pay licensing fees to have the hardware support the code.
This is Sprinkle on my SGS 2, yes, i'm playing an NVIDIA TEGRA ******G GAME while I'm recording a video with screencaster, try to do this with an iPhone mate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHZE9e2Fj8
It does take a nice amount of ****tardation not to realize that iOS is a better platform for games. Next time you'll look more closely before you throw your money on something: don't blame Samsung/Android, blame yourself. Now bye.
nadimac said:
Hello to all the XDA community.
The following post is for those who do not feel as comfortable with the galaxy s2 device, with its Mali-400 graphics chip, although the chip itself is very powerful not provide all the features to play the most beloved games in the today. Among those who find: Sprinkles, shadowgun etc etc.
In my opinion, the cell is very fast and I really like the screen, but unfortunately when I take the iPhone 4 of my girlfriend i want to have it for me, because although the chip A4 already has more than a year now can run games that Mali -400 could not run, it's very stressful having to root your phone to play with chainfire3D, only a few games.
I ..... loving samsung galaxy line. This phone will definitely change for the iphone 5
Why? it seems unfair that i have a cell phone much better than the iphone 4 but unable to play most of the best games.
Watch this video, record from my SG2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91BiEvk4Cs8
Shadowgun playing on iphone 4 (probably can not play shadowgun in GS2)
I want the opinion of all.
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Really? Is it stressful?
You should put more effort into deciding what devices are right for you before buying them...
Aside from the GS2 being arguably the best phone available right out of the box for everything aside from tegra-optimised games (which as others have stated is due to developer's lack of support for industry standards used by the GS2 rather than the other way around)... Like most android devices it's most suited to those who like to tinker and customise.
Buy an iPhone 5.
nadimac said:
Shadowgun playing on iphone 4 (probably can not play shadowgun in GS2)
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Send me your GS2 then? As you seem to prefer your iPhone anyways.
I'll find a good use of it.
johncmolyneux said:
Okay.
Don't buy something unless you know what you're buying. You're gonna be real disappointed when you buy a car and then find out that it doesn't fly or make you bacon.
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Yes I was dissapointed that my car didn't make my bacon.
Maybe I should have went to XDcAr and read up on it first to find out that my car could not do it before I bought it.
My car does fly (at an altitude of 0.01mm) - but only where there is no speed cameras about.
OP,I feel ya.When I bought my GS2 I was really disappointed that it didn't make coffee.I called Samsung to solve my problem,but they insulted me.They were very rude man.They told me "Go buy a f*cking coffee machine!".But I bought the best phone available!Can't I do it with an app?
Seriously,although that was a terrible joke,what did you expect man?Nothing is perfect,get over it.My PC can't play Final Fantasy XIII.AND it doesn't support something like Chainfire3D to play PS3 games(**** if it did ).Get over it.Even if you want games that much,there are gazillions of nice games in the Android Market,and more are bound to come.And with the success of the GS2 it's only bound to get better.Just get the heck over it.
Dont entirely blame it on a device for your shortcomings also. Learn to accept some of the blame and you are on your way to maturity.
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spyrale said:
This is Sprinkle on my SGS 2, yes, i'm playing an NVIDIA TEGRA ******G GAME while I'm recording a video with screencaster, try to do this with an iPhone mate
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Anyone know what the scrolling ticker widget seen at the start of this video is called?
oh come on peeps why all the harsh replys!!!
he asked a decent question , yes its easy to say if you wanted games buy an iphone4 , at the same time it is still a decent question .
its a shame that the mali is getting left out the cpu/gpu combon on the sgs2 is immense and very very powerfull it would be great to have games like the one linked avalible
i knew the sgs2 wouldnt have every iphone game but when i see games like this i do think , my phone could run this easy and i wouldnt mind playing it , whas wrong with that and asking why the sgs2 doesnt have games like this
maybe it isnt as easy to code for?? we have over 10 million sgs2 users now so the market is there , is it devs being lazy and not porting it , is it hard to port things to the mali , from chainfire 3-d it doesnt seem like its hard to apply stuff to get games working that are coded for say nvidia but what about how hard it is for gameloft to make these games for the mali
to the op , dont worry about some of the negative awnswers i thought it was a decent question and i do think its a shame the mali is being left out a bit when it is soooooo dam good with soooooooooo many users worldwide
have a good day everyone and maybe try to be a bit nicer to fellow users , treat others as you wish to be treated springs to mind as does if you have nothing nice to say maybe dont say anything 2 pages of people taking the mick out of the op for asking a sensible question and saying things like ''my sgs2 wont make coffee'' is just a bit out of order really and isnt anything like what he was saying
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Anyone know what the scrolling ticker widget seen at the start of this video is called?
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Some people on these forums really take their phones too seriously. Why all the nasty and snide remarks?
I wish Shadowgun was on Android! Runs pretty good on my iPad 1. But damn it would look good on the GSII screen.
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SG2
hello to everyone.
Sorry if I offended, some of the users that have this phone.
is not my intention to devalue the SG2, but actually I think that to be the best phone should support any things without any problem, maybe it's difficult because different graphics chip, ATI may start manufacturing their own as well. possibly be deciding whether Nvidia or ATI.
the cell phone itself is very fast and the screen size is the maximum that I would buy for a smarphone to me is very good
If you wanted to phone Mainly for games, you got an iPhone Should Have.
I think all cell phone makers have to have this in their creations, to avoid incompatibility and make users
samsung unfortunately not put the grates 2 in the SG2, definitely would be a very good phone for games too.
but really do not see it? A4 over a year on the market and is still compatible with current games.
many people have the SG2, samsung should invest money so we can play these lines did not sell many games SG2?
Sg2
spyrale said:
This is Sprinkle on my SGS 2, yes, i'm playing an NVIDIA TEGRA ******G GAME while I'm recording a video with screencaster, try to do this with an iPhone mate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHZE9e2Fj8
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In fact in the post, you can read the game plays perfectly on the iphone 4. and need not have any application, just download it and install it ready.
I am very interested in doing running in the SG2 can you help?
nadimac said:
hello to everyone.
Sorry if I offended, some of the users that have this phone.
is not my intention to devalue the SG2, but actually I think that to be the best phone should support any things without any problem, maybe it's difficult because different graphics chip, ATI may start manufacturing their own as well. possibly be deciding whether Nvidia or ATI.
the cell phone itself is very fast and the screen size is the maximum that I would buy for a smarphone to me is very good
If you wanted to phone Mainly for games, you got an iPhone Should Have.
I think all cell phone makers have to have this in their creations, to avoid incompatibility and make users
samsung unfortunately not put the grates 2 in the SG2, definitely would be a very good phone for games too.
but really do not see it? A4 over a year on the market and is still compatible with current games.
many people have the SG2, samsung should invest money so we can play these lines did not sell many games SG2?
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Well,I don't think anyone here was actually offended,nor do I think that anyone tried solely to insult you.It's just a matter of asking credible things.Whatever the iPhone is,its architecture and the software it supports haven't changed much(If at all) since the first iPhone.Every version follows the same principles,uses hardware of the same "Family" (eg PowerVR GPUs),so whatever new comes out for a new iDevice,it will instantly become available for its older bretheren.Android is different.I don't think that it will be long before you see this kind of games on the GS2 if you ask me,so in my opinion you should just keep the better device.Guess which one solves the "X=Win" equation.
Kind enough for everyone here?

Portable Gaming, tegra 3 GPU, how future proof it will be?

I own a transformer 101, galaxy tab 10.1, xoom fe and a ipad 2.
Portable gaming has become very big! Alot of people like to game on the go... With that being said the GPU of future tablets should have some impressive portable gaming on the way.
You can find benchmark tests online that show that the SGX543MP2 is more capable than tegra 3s gpu. But how well does the tegra 3 really stack up against it? I would really like to know and compare which will be better for portable gaming.
What are your opinions on this? Does it matter to you that the next gen of andorid tablets seems to have a weaker GPU than a year old tablet? Or do you think the GPU in the prime will be great for tablet gaming for the next year?
Sure I game on my PC when im at home but when I am on the go I like to have a nice tablet device that can also play some killer games!
ILl be the first. WHO CARES! plus this is a redundant/repeat thread. Just because you put it in question form doesn't make it any different from the other thread. Members here already see you as trolling. Always talking about how this or that not better than ipad2. You the only one who sole reason for a tablet is gaming. Gaming is fine on the prime and can do way more than just play games. I play them also but not my main concern. Plus this new chipset is overall better than ipad2. The reviews showed it and several other members think so also.
So if you think you can convince members here to believe apple/ipad2 is better than Android, you lost. Talk about something intelligent for once other then friggn gaming. Most people have lives, work jobs. Gaming is only a hobby/pastime. You make it seem like all you do is gaming. Such focus on gaming must mean you are young or probably a teenager.
Project IRON FIST initiated . You are just so obvious at trolling about apple in an Android forum. At least be discreet about it.
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I knew your name looked familiar.
This thread is not about chipset.. its about the GPU, if you dont have anything helpful or informative to post then dont post.
We are not interested about how you are butt-hurt about every little negative having to do with the Prime... I am just trying to get a better comparison of last years best tablet (imo) to the new ones coming out.
I suppose your going to delete this thread too but I think people have the right to know about this information and discuss it.
Ipad 2 is the only apple product I have ever owned and I also own multiple android devices. So please stop with the "droid fan boy act" and try to be informative for once and have a open mind.
jleewong said:
This thread is not about chipset.. its about the GPU, if you dont have anything helpful or informative to post then dont post.
We are not interested about how you are butt-hurt about every little negative having to do with the Prime... I am just trying to get a better comparison of last years best tablet (imo) to the new ones coming out.
I suppose your going to delete this thread too but I think people have the right to know about this information and discuss it.
Ipad 2 is the only apple product I have ever owned and I also own multiple android devices. So please stop with the "droid fan boy act" and try to be informative for once and have a open mind.
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you gave me a thank for calling you a troll... uh.. mmk. ur just contradicting yourself. but fyi the processor makes a different in the gpu load and performance, everything put together does, ram included
Come on, give it a break already. There are already benchmarks out there. iPad 2 has faster GPU, while the Prime has a faster CPU.
I'm glad you are enjoying your iPad games, but most gamers are too busy playing Skyrim to care.
Oh? zedklind I thought you posted because you wanted a cookie...
You sure didnt have anything informative to say so I figured you just wanted a pat on the back or something, my bad...
Gaming on the Prime still looks very impressive
http://www.slashgear.com/asus-trans...games-bladeslinger-glowball-chidori-06200431/
I see in games that they offer more details in tegra 3 games than in ipad games. So developers of games think that tegra is faster and more capable.
Sent from me...
Thats is what I am hoping for, but i just hope that the android platform doesnt scare alot of developers away...
Being so easy to just download any .apk file and intall it (expecially when any android device can do this right out of the box stock) without having to pay anything for it isnt really going to bring in many top developers. I really hope ICS addresses this issue.
If they do fix the issue i see a birght future for tegra 3 and android, and it will mean lots of new great apps and games for us!
i was the first to make a thread about this but i still think graphics doesn't matter at all on tablets, theres only 1! game on the ipad2 that has graphics worthy of there GPU, and it doesnt sell nearly as well as any of the little crap games.
I hate any game on my ipad that had good graphics, they always figured a pretty picture was good enough. I had a jailbroken ipad so i played all the games, and the best and funnest games are always the well drawn games, the cartoony little games.
unless im missing the point here.
I think the point for me is that I am excited to get this device and I will probably casually play whatever games are developed for it. If those games are developed for this tablet in particular I assume they will work well with the hardware. If they don't, I won't buy them. This tablet will game. That much has been proven. Now let's see if anybody will develop anything for it.
On a lighter note, I personally don't need my tablet to be able to whip out its di..ahem...GPU and be bigger than everybody else's in the room. That said I don't want it to attempt that feat and end up with the tiniest little button peni...um GPU... in the room either. But we already know that isn't going to happen.
All that said I will just be happy to get a firm..ahem...solid...um..definite release date.
I've followed a lot of OP's posts, and you have a lot of the tendencies of a troll.
To answer the thread, yes, absolutely the iPad 2 has a better GPU than the TF Prime. I don't see what the point of this thread is other than to flame-bait because I think most of us already know that.
I have an Xbox 360 to play videogames on. But if I do ever want to play games on a TF Prime, everything that I've seen so far played on it looks like it runs very well. So if your post was meant, as I can well guess, to make me respond in some impassioned way, it didn't go very far because it only pushed my yawn button. You basically just played the sledge hammer game at carnivals where you try to ring the bell at the top and only made the ring of anger go up by 1 section.
The Janitor Mop said:
I've followed a lot of OP's posts, and you have a lot of the tendencies of a troll.
To answer the thread, yes, absolutely the iPad 2 has a better GPU than the TF Prime. I don't see what the point of this thread is other than to flame-bait because I think most of us already know that.
I have an Xbox 360 to play videogames on. But if I do ever want to play games on a TF Prime, everything that I've seen so far played on it looks like it runs very well. So if your post was meant, as I can well guess, to make me respond in some impassioned way, it didn't go very far because it only pushed my yawn button. You basically just played the sledge hammer game at carnivals where you try to ring the bell at the top and only made the ring of anger go up by 1 section.
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Like I said in the OP, at home i play on my gaming PC or gaming console but while I am at work or out of town I like to play games on my tablet, I would never expect my tablet to be on par with my gaming PC or 360... And lugging around a 360 or gaming PC everywhere I go would be a pain.
I'm talking about portable gaming devices... you know, psp,dsi,vita.
Most people (i assume) are getting the prime because it has the latest Nvidia tegra 3 GPU which is made for gaming, any other tablet can browse the web, watch movies or play music.
So far I am hearing good things about tegra 3 and its future that nvidia is working hard on. Now we just need more game developers and app developers. Nvidia did their part and now its up to google and ICS to make a good home for developers in the future.
And i dont want to show off that my tablet has a bigger dong than someone elses but rather I would like to know it has the latest and most future proof dong currently available. That way i dont have to go out and buy a new dong every year... :x
In fact this whole discussion is absolutely pointless.
You can't tell both GPU's performance only from the benchmarks.
Why do you think Riptide GP looks that much better on Tegra 3 compared to the iPad2? Because the iPad has the better GPU? I doubt this
Synthetic benchmarks will never be useful to compare anything... Especially not on different OS platforms...
People need to get away from all this benchmark thing...
Btw I really doubt that there is a single game out there that maxes the Tegra 2. It's not about Tegra's lack of performance but about missing developers...
The Android world is the wrong world to get into if you want a dong that will be top dong for a full year. The whole tech world moves too fast for anyone to always have the best device and we just have to resign ourselves to that.
That said, I think Tegra 3 is very future proof. Let's shift our focus away from the technical discussion for a moment and over to the real world: Tegra 3 is essentially going to be the Android tablet standard for 2012 and ICS. They have already indicated that Tegra 3 devices will be coming out at least through mid year. At that point there will likely be a few better, newer SoCs, but Tegra 3 will still be sort of considered the baseline to which everything else will be compared, primarily since it is the first ICS quad core platform. When new SoCs come out, people will want to know how much faster they are than Tegra 3.
On another note, you really don't need to worry about the GPU so much. I already wrote an extensive post elsewhere about how Asus has packed the TF Prime with top of the line specs: rave reviews for the screen, awesome reviews for the form factor/design/build quality, the first good tablet camera and consequently the best, 32 GB starter memory when with most tablets the top of the line model comes with 32 GB, and of course the dock, which is an engineering effort and cost that no other tablet maker has to swallow. Considering it has all these things and comes in at such a fair price, it makes absolute sense that Asus had to cut costs in certain areas. If the GPU is that victim, so be it. Check this out: the new Motorola XyBoard tablet just became official, and the base model of the same screen size comes in at $30 MORE than the TF Prime even though it doesn't have NEARLY the same specs:
http://androidcommunity.com/verizons-motorola-droid-xyboard-gets-official-in-10-1-and-8-2-flavors-20111206/
I have a HTC Sensation. It is most often compared to the Samsung Galaxy SII. The Sensation has a better GPU, while the SGS2 has the better CPU. The SGS2 by far is the faster device (and I'm a Sensation owner, I'm not exaggerating). It is a much smoother experience in essentially every area, including gaming, even though it has the inferior GPU. My point here is that GPU isn't everything. HTC did a poor job of optimizing their drivers, so the GPU isn't even used for its full capabilities. Samsung, meanwhile, took a lesser GPU and managed to make something out of it. And let's not forget the large advantage the CPU has. The SGS2 in that sense is sort of analogous to the TF Prime, with an awesome CPU and a sort of average GPU. But since the overall performance of the device will come down to a confluence of way more factors than just 1 spec, don't pass the device off simply because you dislike 1 spec. Like I said, I can get over 1 unimpressive feature considering how much of the rest of the device blows my mind (again, please compare the TF Prime to the Motorola XyBoard and just TRY to tell me that Asus didn't put a HUGE effort into making the TF Prime the best possible device while still making some kind of money off it).
The iPad 2 is more "futur proof" when it comes to games not because of performance but because of the plateform. There hardly won't be any game worthwhile that will be on Android but not on iOS. But there will be some games only on iOS.
The Tegra 3 is overall at the same level of performance than the A5 in the ipad2 but it doesn't means you can compare the two devices.
Tegra 3 is the most future proof you'll get for Android, nvidia is pushing games for it, you'll have exclusivity and games specifically design for it.
The real question is do you want iOS or Android ?
If your choice is base on games and games only (wich is weird because, honestly, games on mobile plateform aren't worth buying an expensive device only for them) then go for iOS, right now, that's where you'll get the best games.
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The Android world is the wrong world to get into if you want a dong that will be top dong for a full year. The whole tech world moves too fast for anyone to always have the best device and we just have to resign ourselves to that.
That said, I think Tegra 3 is very future proof. Let's shift our focus away from the technical discussion for a moment and over to the real world: Tegra 3 is essentially going to be the Android tablet standard for 2012 and ICS. They have already indicated that Tegra 3 devices will be coming out at least through mid year. At that point there will likely be a few better, newer SoCs, but Tegra 3 will still be sort of considered the baseline to which everything else will be compared, primarily since it is the first ICS quad core platform. When new SoCs come out, people will want to know how much faster they are than Tegra 3.
On another note, you really don't need to worry about the GPU so much. I already wrote an extensive post elsewhere about how Asus has packed the TF Prime with top of the line specs: rave reviews for the screen, awesome reviews for the form factor/design/build quality, the first good tablet camera and consequently the best, 32 GB starter memory when with most tablets the top of the line model comes with 32 GB, and of course the dock, which is an engineering effort and cost that no other tablet maker has to swallow. Considering it has all these things and comes in at such a fair price, it makes absolute sense that Asus had to cut costs in certain areas. If the GPU is that victim, so be it. Check this out: the new Motorola XyBoard tablet just became official, and the base model of the same screen size comes in at $30 MORE than the TF Prime even though it doesn't have NEARLY the same specs:
http://androidcommunity.com/verizons-motorola-droid-xyboard-gets-official-in-10-1-and-8-2-flavors-20111206/
I have a HTC Sensation. It is most often compared to the Samsung Galaxy SII. The Sensation has a better GPU, while the SGS2 has the better CPU. The SGS2 by far is the faster device (and I'm a Sensation owner, I'm not exaggerating). It is a much smoother experience in essentially every area, including gaming, even though it has the inferior GPU. My point here is that GPU isn't everything. HTC did a poor job of optimizing their drivers, so the GPU isn't even used for its full capabilities. Samsung, meanwhile, took a lesser GPU and managed to make something out of it. And let's not forget the large advantage the CPU has. The SGS2 in that sense is sort of analogous to the TF Prime, with an awesome CPU and a sort of average GPU. But since the overall performance of the device will come down to a confluence of way more factors than just 1 spec, don't pass the device off simply because you dislike 1 spec. Like I said, I can get over 1 unimpressive feature considering how much of the rest of the device blows my mind (again, please compare the TF Prime to the Motorola XyBoard and just TRY to tell me that Asus didn't put a HUGE effort into making the TF Prime the best possible device while still making some kind of money off it).
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You can't compare Sense device to something else It's not their drivers or what it's just Sense overall...
Sense is the biggest piece of crap code i've ever seen And yet it's so beautiful and I don't want to miss it...
Just have a look at the smali code of for example Rosie... It's absolutely horrible There is not a single reason why this thing shouldn't be slow.
Even with a Tegra 3 (-->HTC Edge) Sense will be laggy
But yes, your point of view is correct. It all comes down to optimisation of the OS...
I hope ASUS put a lot more develoment time in ICS than they did with HC
Diamondback2010 said:
In fact this whole discussion is absolutely pointless.
You can't tell both GPU's performance only from the benchmarks.
Why do you think Riptide GP looks that much better on Tegra 3 compared to the iPad2? Because the iPad has the better GPU? I doubt this
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Riptide looks better becuase the developer got help from Nvidia and had specific optimisations for it. Fyi, riptide on the ipad and ipad2 look almost exactly the same despite the ipad2 being up to 9x faster.
thunng8 said:
Riptide looks better becuase the developer got help from Nvidia and had specific optimisations for it. Fyi, riptide on the ipad and ipad2 look almost exactly the same despite the ipad2 being up to 9x faster.
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I tried to make the same point before. There are hardly any ipad 2 optimized games only. They are all identical except for a few. Those few only have very minor upgrades. Nothing night and day different although ipad2 supposed to be 9x faster/more powerful.
I just hope developement for tegra3 picks up alot of support all across the board. We need more tablet only apps and games optimized for tegra3. I just heard ipad is getting microsoft office in feb. 2012. I really hope this comes to android also asap. Tegra3 has tons of potential. I really hope the developers take advantage of it and we see some high grade topnotch software.
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[Q] 64gb for gaming

Is the htc one x+ 64gb model a good phone for mainly gaming purposes? or do games still lag and bad graphics for tegra 3? mainly gameloft high end 3d games.
ian619420 said:
Is the htc one x+ 64gb model a good phone for mainly gaming purposes? or do games still lag and bad graphics for tegra 3? mainly gameloft high end 3d games.
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The display is fantastic. I'm sure the Tegra 3 did well on gpu benchmarks last year, but I doubt it can hold up with this year's models. I don't game, so I can't answer from my experience, but the Tegra 3 is notorious for overheating, especially while gaming.
Is there any reason you are considering buying a phone that was released a year ago? There have been a lot of phones released since then, and with how fast the smartphone market moves, many will be better. If you are looking for a mid-range phone, you may want to consider the HTC One Mini or Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini, both of which have done well in reviews and have the newer Snapdragon 400 chip.
Get yo self the new HTC One.
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HOX+ certainly not a gaming phone just a massive data drive
Tegra 3 sounds like we can have gaming from the word GO..sorry to disappoint you my friend ..its rubbish..
It can't handle ..just that dead trigger has some additional effects to offer as game team has developed somethin like this,not coz of tegra 3.
For gaming plz buy other high end phones..HTC ONE ,S4,etc probably Nexus 5
If you're asking because you're looking for a new device especially for gaming/entertainment then i'd wait for the new HTC M8 bro! Suppose to come out first quarter next year with 3gb of ram, 5" screen, and snap dragon 800 processor. Really nothing else needs to be said but buy me now with these specs! Think the first 5" screen device to have 3gb of ram and especially with the 800 dragon, gonna be beast if all is true! Now if they would just bump the battery to 3,100 mah or so i'll be on pre-order for this beast!
Tegra 3 is crap for gaming, was never made nor intended for mobile which is why it sucks but HTC decided to use it and "hype" up sales. I'm sorry but when you advertise a "gaming device" but in the real world you can only game for 15-20min before draining the battery 30% and causing the device to feel as if it will explode from heat, you are a total failure. Which this device is if you intend to use it for hard gaming. Which is why i bought it and feel for the hype.
Other than gaming this phone is great. 64gb of storage can't be beat for the price and the processor works great for anything BUT gaming without heat issues. You will also get heat issues though streaming movies and watching them for more than 30min or so. But then again after 30min you'll probably drain at least 30% of your battery and you cannot charge this device while playing games or watching movies as it will overheat and turn itself off. Awesome right? Lol

[Q] Android 3D games, what's next?

Hi,
Just bought a cheap Android phone. It sports a "modest" quadcore A7 1.2 Ghz and a single core PowerVR SGX544 (<20 Gflops!) but I am basically amazed by how well it runs most 3D games (including very recent games) - and I am kind of lag allergic. One of the trick is that the resolution is kept natively "low" (580x960)... to me the perfect balance for a 5'' device but it is up to the taste. Needless to say that 2D app and navigation is flawless and modularity and overall compatibility is simply great (micro-SD, removable battery, Vanilla Android).
My question is simple: Is it really worth investing in a way beefier terminal for the games coming out soon or will the scene unlikely move fast? When I peek at phones such as the Xiaomi MI3 (>150 Gflops)... I simply wonder... even if great bang for the buck is it really worth? You additionally have to pay a premium on internal memory since you almost never get a micro-sd slot... Is it really so different in the iOS world where people keep claiming that the new terminals are required to run the latest games (I never own nor even tried any such games). If it is so why isn't it starting to happen in the Android world?
Any hint, explanations on what is going on???
Cheers,
S.

[Q] What to buy XP2tablet or Nvidia tablet shield

Hi,
I have a dilemma what to buy xperia tablet z2 or Nvidia shield tablet which one would you prefer or wait for the IFA 2014 please I would like to know your opinion.:roll eyes: I love Sony but Nvidia talk to my gaming addiction
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M
marcoplo said:
Hi,
I have a dilemma what to buy xperia tablet z2 or Nvidia shield tablet which one would you prefer or wait for the IFA 2014 please I would like to know your opinion.:roll eyes: I love Sony but Nvidia talk to my gaming addiction
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M
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I was about to take xperia z2 tablet but there are threads in xda supporting the cons i mentioned below , so i myself am waiting.
Xperia z2
cons : slight bend after few weeks of usage , creaking sounds, low build quality, touch screen issues
pros : sleek and light weight , snapdragon 801 , waterproof (low build quality destroys it tho) , larger screen
nvidia shield will be available from 29th july why not wait a week and decide after you read its reviews too.
Things to observe in NVIDIA SHIELD reviews
Heat , battery life , stylus performance , UI lag
marcoplo said:
Hi,
I have a dilemma what to buy xperia tablet z2 or Nvidia shield tablet which one would you prefer or wait for the IFA 2014 please I would like to know your opinion.:roll eyes:
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My Z2 tablet works like a charm. I have no problems, except of the occasional touch issues. It's not a deal breaker, though. Also I'd simply install CM if I wouldn't be satisfied with the stock ROM.
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I love Sony but Nvidia talk to my gaming addiction
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Don't expect too much of Nvidia:
You can connect a PS3 controller on the Z2, too. I use the sixaxis controller app, but there is an app from Sony installed per default, too.
Almost all Android games are optimized for the Snapdragon SoCs because of Nvidia's miniscule market share. Tegra zone apps are the only ones which are Nvidia-optimized, but lately there were not much new games released AFAIK.
I had the TF201 and TF700. Especially Gameloft games were running on low settings, even back then when the tablet was new. Of course you can try out GLTools, but it's hit and miss.
The shield of course also has its strengths, but don't assume that Android games run better than on a Snapdragon 801.
When I look at Nvidia's track regarding their SoCs, I am pessimistic about their future market share. Hence I expect not much games to be Nvidia-optimized. That's why I wanted the Snapdragon 801 and nothing else.
Of course I dislike monoplies and wish Nvidia the best, but realistically I cannot see them succeeding.
BabelHuber said:
My Z2 tablet works like a charm. I have no problems, except of the occasional touch issues. It's not a deal breaker, though. Also I'd simply install CM if I wouldn't be satisfied with the stock ROM.
Don't expect too much of Nvidia:
You can connect a PS3 controller on the Z2, too. I use the sixaxis controller app, but there is an app from Sony installed per default, too.
Almost all Android games are optimized for the Snapdragon SoCs because of Nvidia's miniscule market share. Tegra zone apps are the only ones which are Nvidia-optimized, but lately there were not much new games released AFAIK.
I had the TF201 and TF700. Especially Gameloft games were running on low settings, even back then when the tablet was new. Of course you can try out GLTools, but it's hit and miss.
The shield of course also has its strengths, but don't assume that Android games run better than on a Snapdragon 801.
When I look at Nvidia's track regarding their SoCs, I am pessimistic about their future market share. Hence I expect not much games to be Nvidia-optimized. That's why I wanted the Snapdragon 801 and nothing else.
Of course I dislike monoplies and wish Nvidia the best, but realistically I cannot see them succeeding.
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Thx for the balance response, I have not made my decision yet, I have been using Sony for ages, I willing to test something new, the only thing that worries me is the fact that android games aren;t working as great as I would image e.i gameloft. I will not buy it until finishing my master degree, otherwise i will go nuts...
Touch issues pretty much gone after latest update. And I for one have zero build issues. Some people do but what's the bet some people do on the shield as well.
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Hello now that both the z2 and nvidia shield have been out for a while what are your thoughts and experiences on both devices please?

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