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Ok, I give (well sort of) stuck at 3 birds screen for gingerbread roms.
Need one of the better brains on this one. I'm not sure if solvable without one of the big guys having one of these troublesome woot tablets.
Story up till now.
I have a G tablet, I have had one since November 2010. (black friday sears).
On my tablet I have never had any issues installing any rom/kernel and it at least booting (ones designed for gtablet)
I impressed work with them so much that during the Woot sale a few weeks back, the university bought 11 of these tablet for other techs.
So I stepped up and decided to flash them all (since tap n tap doesn't support several things such as WPA2 enterprise).
Now on the first 2 tablets I got ahold of they would not load any gingerbread rom on this forum, not vegan experementals, not either one of the asops, nor cm7 .... etc..
But they will run TNT lite and vegan 1 5b11.....
One of the units came to me with fc issues out of the box... that one loaded and ran gingerbread just fine..... (vegan experementals + pershot kernal + gapps)
The one my step father purchased from woot runs gingerbread asop + pershot + gapps fine as well
Got to work today tried a few things on another one of these tablets and it gets stuck at the veiwsonic 3 birds screen.
So these are all the methods broken down by tablet.
Tablet 1 -
Boot to stock
Mount tablet as usb
extract CW internal to device
mount usb
Reboot recovery
Reboot CW recovery
Copy over GB Asop
Copy over gapps
Flash said above
stuck at "viewsonic" screen
Ok...
Partition memory 2048/0
mount
Copy over gb asop, gb experementals, gapps
Try all of them...
Viewsonic screen..
ok
partition
mount
Copy over vegan 5.1 5.11 and pershot kernal
flash
Bingo we have vegan tab....
Hmmm..
2nd tablet
Ok lets try this again
Boot to stock
Mount tablet as usb
extract CW internal to device
mount usb
Reboot recovery
Reboot CW recovery
Copy over GB experementals
flash
stuck at viewsonc screen
partition 2048/0
mount
copy over experementals
flash
stuck at viewsonic
copy over vegan 5.1 / 5.11
flash (no kernal this time)
bingo we have froyo .... still no gb
Tablet 3- Troubled begginings
Set time zone - Force crash here....
Copy over micro sd and extract to micro sd card
Flash CW
lets try again
Copy over asop + gapps + pershot
Bam reboot and were in---- ran perfectly.
So I go... AHHA.. Must be micro SD is the key...
Tablet 4 ---
Bring over same micro sd card with me.
Use it to install CW
Install asop +gapps+pershot
froze at "Viewsonic"
WTF....
hmmmmm
Repartiton 2048/0
stuck
repartition 4096/0
stuck
repartition 4096/32
stuck
etc...
Repartitioned 2048/0
Installed vegan 5.1 / 5.11
bingo we have a live tab....
So I really don't know what is causing this. any thoughts on any of it would be greatly appreciated.
Only thought is hardware revision.. *shrug*
Did you do the stock OTA update before flashing any roms?
Pnuts said:
Did you do the stock OTA update before flashing any roms?
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On tablet 4 I did.
I got cm7 on my woot gtab finally.
I repartitioned to 4096/256.
NVFlash
booted in to stock > plugged in to pc > usb transferred cm .8
installed cm .8
booted back to stock > usb transferred rom + gapps
boot recovery > formated boot,system,cache,data and wipe davlik cache
mount system & data
install rom then gapps
mount system ( it unmounts after rom install, cache was still mounted)
“wipe data/factory reset”
reboot
on mine- it took 30-60 secs to go from viewsonic screen to the cm boot animation and 1-2 mins it loaded up
bill1253 said:
I got cm7 on my woot gtab finally.
I repartitioned to 4096/256.
NVFlash
booted in to stock > plugged in to pc > usb transferred cm .8
installed cm .8
booted back to stock > usb transferred rom + gapps
boot recovery > formated boot,system,cache,data and wipe davlik cache
mount system & data
install rom then gapps
mount system ( it unmounts after rom install, cache was still mounted)
“wipe data/factory reset”
reboot
on mine- it took 30-60 secs to go from viewsonic screen to the cm boot animation and 1-2 mins it loaded up
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I'll have to give this a try.
bill1253 said:
mount system ( it unmounts after rom install, cache was still mounted)
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Hmmm.... May have something on this line. Have to check it out.
Gentlemen -- and others reading this thread:
Please don't get people started re-partitioning the way you have just posted!!!???!!!
I can't pull the reason off the top of my head -- but the 2048 and 0 has been the
standard since last November. I do remember that it will foul things up.
If you want to experiment with it, fine. But if you keep posting and pushing it you
may start another round of problems for folks that don't need problems.
IMHO.
Rev
EDIT, HERE'S THE ANSWER: The 2048 figure has been set for a long time because other values
(particularly 4096) caused issues with the Market. Wouldn't allow downloads.
The second value is a cache and the the understanding is that Android doesn't use it, so
it's just a waste of space.
Android is not well-documented, but that is the wisdom behind 2048/0.
bc
I would agree with butchconner. I am not a developer, but I am a UNIX systems administrator.
In the "old days" when RAM was hideously expensive ($7,000 for 16MB of RAM), we used a rule of thumb that swap should be 1-2.5 times the physical RAM. Disk was cheaper than RAM, hence virtual memory.
Now, memory generally exceeds requirements. I can understand why one would want not to have your swap go to flash nvram, since nvram is slow and has limited write cycles. But, letting the system swap to nvram _and_ to less swap than you have memory for just seems counter productive.
I partitioned mine to 2048/0 and it runs great.
My Archos 70 has only 256MB RAM, and I could see a benefit from 256mb - 512mb of configured swap space, as it appears memory constrained in 256MB RAM.
Hope this helps.
butchconner said:
Gentlemen -- and others reading this thread:
Please don't get people started re-partitioning the way you have just posted!!!???!!!
I can't pull the reason off the top of my head -- but the 2048 and 0 has been the
standard since last November. I do remember that it will foul things up.
If you want to experiment with it, fine. But if you keep posting and pushing it you
may start another round of problems for folks that don't need problems.
IMHO.
Rev
EDIT, HERE'S THE ANSWER: The 2048 figure has been set for a long time because other values
(particularly 4096) caused issues with the Market. Wouldn't allow downloads.
The second value is a cache and the the understanding is that Android doesn't use it, so
it's just a waste of space.
Android is not well-documented, but that is the wisdom behind 2048/0.
bc
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fine and good and all, but red hering all the same. still can't get gingerbread to work on a large majoity of the woot tablet i have come across.
That's the best I can offer. Sorry I can't help you.
Please remember that Gingerbread is not out for the
G-Tablet and what you are using is experimental.
It may not be perfect!
Good Luck.
Rev
butchconner said:
That's the best I can offer. Sorry I can't help you.
Please remember that Gingerbread is not out for the
G-Tablet and what you are using is experimental.
It may not be perfect!
Good Luck.
Rev
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Yea I don't think this has to do with experimental some of the bootloaders or something are fowled up on some tabs why does it work on some and not others?
My coworker and I both bought the tabs at the same time and his flash ginger no problem and mine sticks at the birds.
My Woot tablet works great, no problem with Gingerbread. I DID let it do the OTA update before I started hacking - not sure if that made a difference.
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My Woot tablet works great, no problem with Gingerbread. I DID let it do the OTA update before I started hacking - not sure if that made a difference.
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Wish that it did. I tried this on both tablet 4 and tablet 5 (last night) with no effect.
I rolled tablet 3 to stock 3588 from roebeet's recovery mod
Only thing I haven't tried is skipping CW all together and do it all from update.zip s .
May give that a shot today.
It's alive!
bill1253 said:
I got cm7 on my woot gtab finally.
I repartitioned to 4096/256.
NVFlash
booted in to stock > plugged in to pc > usb transferred cm .8
installed cm .8
booted back to stock > usb transferred rom + gapps
boot recovery > formated boot,system,cache,data and wipe davlik cache
mount system & data
install rom then gapps
mount system ( it unmounts after rom install, cache was still mounted)
“wipe data/factory reset”
reboot
on mine- it took 30-60 secs to go from viewsonic screen to the cm boot animation and 1-2 mins it loaded up
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I skipped the repartition (left it at default), but I was actually able to boot into a Gingerbread ROM! I followed your instructions to the T.
An additional note for the NVFlash, I followed roebeet's instructions to do a restore via NVFlash, although, I did not update to 3588 (it said it was already up-to-date?): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=861950
Thanks!
EDIT: the Tap UI version that is installed from the NVFlash I performed is 2638. I have completed the steps above again with a different ROM (CM7) and it worked like a champ again.
Do NOT partition to anything other than 2048 and 0. You WILL have market problems otherwise. If you load a Gingerbread rom and it stops at the birds you must nvflash to stock and then you will okay. I have walked about 20 people through this in the last 2 weeks and it works everytime. Something is different in the partitioning on these newer tabs and Gingerbread dont like it. It's not the bootloader and not clockwork
Yeah, I left it at 2048/0; you actually shouldn't have to repartition it with the default settings anyway. I haven't had a problem and haven't needed to repartition it when going between Gingerbread ROMs.
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Do NOT partition to anything other than 2048 and 0. You WILL have market problems otherwise. If you load a Gingerbread rom and it stops at the birds you must nvflash to stock and then you will okay. I have walked about 20 people through this in the last 2 weeks and it works everytime. Something is different in the partitioning on these newer tabs and Gingerbread dont like it. It's not the bootloader and not clockwork
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Any chance you could walk me through it? I'm not quite sure what I'm doing wrong otherwise.
You can join irc but the first thing that will be asked is do you have the drivers installed and can you see the tab from a pc.
Freenode channel #tegratab
I hope I am in the right forum for this thread. I have plenty of questions and hope to get answers to a few..... Here goes -
A few weeks ago I bought a nook 16Gb Tablet essentially for my wife and created a CM7 SD card to allow using it in stock BN system as well as experiment with Android use from that card. The end result is I decided I needed one for myself so I wouldn't conflict with her use. I had months ago rooted my nook eink but regardless of its expanded capability it was still only a great ebook reader and hopeless as a web browser, etc. So bought a Certified Preowned 16Gb nook Tablet for myself and duplicated the CM7 SD card process and was able to switch between stock nook use and Andorid use from the SD card using the dual boot process. I found myself mostly in the Andorid side and began to wonder why I was keeping the unused nook side around. After a ton of forum reading I decided to root my tablet and leave my wife's in its dual boot format - undoubtedly a safe move....
I used this process:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466583&page=24
it is titled:
How to root 1.4.1 (or any other version) using just an sdcard {easy}
and I followed the detailed steps and links from "liquidzoo" post #240. Creating the SD card for the rooting process was easy. It went well up to the point of the step of powering up after inserting the SD card in the powered down nook. It kept booting into the stock BN nook side by use of the power on button. It began booting to the SD card only after I allowed it to power up by plugging it into my pc with the usb cord. Then the following steps went fine after I discoverd I had to use the volume controls to step through the menu selections. Thereafter it did go smoothly through the process. When the process indicated it had completed powered off, removed the SD card, and powered up into Android.
It seems to be somewhat faster than using Android from a dual boot (CM7 on SD card). I guess I missed somewhere that it would have dual a home selection menu allowing the stock nook home menu choice along with Android - so the best of both worlds. I am still familiarizing my self with the new configuration but so the fiirst of a few questions are:
Aside from experimentation, is there any way of finding out what all the icons in the status bar are for on the vbarious screens? Some are obvious but at one point I had a flashing-inverted-chevron icon that seemed to be maybe a downloading indicator but I couldn't find what.
Is there a simple toggle to switch from nook to android screens? Seems to be several taps to achieve that.
How do I install the Amazon Android App? I can' seem to find it.
I'll probably reply to this with other questions after I do more experimenting but answers to these woiuld be helpful.
Thanks in advance. I'm still a noob so I can't post to the link above but I think somewhere I saw the ability to 'Thank' as well as 'Donate' - both of which I need to do now. I think I'm really going to like the newly configured nook Tablet.
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I hope I am in the right forum for this thread. I have plenty of questions and hope to get answers to a few..... Here goes -
A few weeks ago I bought a nook 16Gb Tablet essentially for my wife and created a CM7 SD card to allow using it in stock BN system as well as experiment with Android use from that card. The end result is I decided I needed one for myself so I wouldn't conflict with her use. I had months ago rooted my nook eink but regardless of its expanded capability it was still only a great ebook reader and hopeless as a web browser, etc. So bought a Certified Preowned 16Gb nook Tablet for myself and duplicated the CM7 SD card process and was able to switch between stock nook use and Andorid use from the SD card using the dual boot process. I found myself mostly in the Andorid side and began to wonder why I was keeping the unused nook side around. After a ton of forum reading I decided to root my tablet and leave my wife's in its dual boot format - undoubtedly a safe move....
I used this process:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466583&page=24
it is titled:
How to root 1.4.1 (or any other version) using just an sdcard {easy}
and I followed the detailed steps and links from "liquidzoo" post #240. Creating the SD card for the rooting process was easy. It went well up to the point of the step of powering up after inserting the SD card in the powered down nook. It kept booting into the stock BN nook side by use of the power on button. It began booting to the SD card only after I allowed it to power up by plugging it into my pc with the usb cord. Then the following steps went fine after I discoverd I had to use the volume controls to step through the menu selections. Thereafter it did go smoothly through the process. When the process indicated it had completed powered off, removed the SD card, and powered up into Android.
It seems to be somewhat faster than using Android from a dual boot (CM7 on SD card). I guess I missed somewhere that it would have dual a home selection menu allowing the stock nook home menu choice along with Android - so the best of both worlds. I am still familiarizing my self with the new configuration but so the fiirst of a few questions are:
Aside from experimentation, is there any way of finding out what all the icons in the status bar are for on the vbarious screens? Some are obvious but at one point I had a flashing-inverted-chevron icon that seemed to be maybe a downloading indicator but I couldn't find what.
Is there a simple toggle to switch from nook to android screens? Seems to be several taps to achieve that.
How do I install the Amazon Android App? I can' seem to find it.
I'll probably reply to this with other questions after I do more experimenting but answers to these woiuld be helpful.
Thanks in advance. I'm still a noob so I can't post to the link above but I think somewhere I saw the ability to 'Thank' as well as 'Donate' - both of which I need to do now. I think I'm really going to like the newly configured nook Tablet.
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First, read this.
Now, just so we're on the same page.
You created an sd card that allowed you to boot into a custom recovery and then using the volume up/down buttons, navigated to install and installed a zip file that allowed you to root the device correct?
If that is the case, you are still on the stock OS (as it sounds from your description). This is why you have both the stock B&N user interface (launcher) and a custom one (the one that looks more like cm7 did when booting from an sdcard).
Still have that custom recovery card? Here's my suggestion. Download a custom rom like cm7 and the appropriate gapps file (google apps, including the play store). Store these files on your internal storage. Next, boot back into the custom recovery and create a backup. Then, just as you did before, navigate to installing a zip and find the cm7 zip file you found before. Install the gapps zip file as well. When you're done, wipe data/factory reset and wipe cache. DO NOT FORMAT SYSTEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT (people do this for some reason, I don't understand why and it breaks things - don't do it.) Upon rebooting, you will no longer have the stock OS installed You will have a custom rom, cm7 installed.
The difference from your current setup is that right now, the core of the device is still based on B&N version of Android. The alternate user interface is nothing more than a tease of what Android is truly capable of. A custom rom opens up many more doors and should be a much smoother experience.
Any questions post them. And please read the first post of the thread I linked.
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Also, I'm morally obligated to advise you to return the Nook and buy a Nexus 7, if you truly prefer the Google experience.
A bit to more to chew on....
Cubanluke88 said:
First, read this.
Now, just so we're on the same page.
You created an sd card that allowed you to boot into a custom recovery and then using the volume up/down buttons, navigated to install and installed a zip file that allowed you to root the device correct?
If that is the case, you are still on the stock OS (as it sounds from your description). This is why you have both the stock B&N user interface (launcher) and a custom one (the one that looks more like cm7 did when booting from an sdcard).
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Any questions post them. And please read the first post of the thread I linked.
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Also, I'm morally obligated to advise you to return the Nook and buy a Nexus 7, if you truly prefer the Google experience.
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Thank you, Cubanluke88, for you thoughts and suggestions.
First, I did grab your first linked post and realized some misconceptions. I still need to digest it more thoroughly, though.
On the part of your response that I have edited out in the qoute, I also want to read more troroughly and pose some questions in a later response.
As for the final suggestion, I have been eyeing the Nexus 7 for some time ane even though it is a bit more expensive than the nook Tablet I currently own I think I might get it (or a similar device) when fortune and convenience presents itself. For now, I am still in a learning mode with the Android-like device I currentlhy have and need to read and educate myself further. As stated in my opening post - I am a noob - there is a lot of experimenting I need to do.
I will be replying with some questions after more reading and thought on your offered suggestions in the section I edited out for the time being.....
questions....again
Cubanluke88 said:
First, read this.
Still have that custom recovery card? Here's my suggestion. Download a custom rom like cm7 and the appropriate gapps file (google apps, including the play store). Store these files on your internal storage. Next, boot back into the custom recovery and create a backup. Then, just as you did before, navigate to installing a zip and find the cm7 zip file you found before. Install the gapps zip file as well. When you're done, wipe data/factory reset and wipe cache. DO NOT FORMAT SYSTEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT (people do this for some reason, I don't understand why and it breaks things - don't do it.) Upon rebooting, you will no longer have the stock OS installed You will have a custom rom, cm7 installed.
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Cubanluke88,
Thanks again for giving me something to think about.
I have read/reread both of your linked posts and your complete response to my post. Further, it is useful to comment that with my nook Tablet hardware it is not at all important for me to have the BN OS. I have a classic nook eink that is totally satisfactory for anything I may need for BN usage alone - mostly, ebook purchase and reading. I purchased the tablet as a means to get access to Android applications not possible from the nook classic which was also hopeless as a general web access device. As a rooted Android device, I anticipate it's nook app to be satisfactory as an ebook reader as well.
Referring to the quoted segment of you initial response:
Still have that custom recovery card?
Yes.
Download a custom rom like cm7 and the appropriate gapps file (google apps, including the play store) Store these files on your internal storage..
Can you suggest a pointer? I get swamped and cofused on what to choose when I google. The verison I have filed on my PC is embedded in an SD image file and I suspect that is not what you were referring to ( I have: -->> "Team-B-CM7SD-Alpha_final.img".
By "internal storage" do you mean in the recovery card or within the Tablet through USB connection?
Next, boot back into the custom recovery and create a backup. Then, just as you did before, navigate to installing a zip and find the cm7 zip file you found before. Install the gapps zip file as well. When you're done, wipe data/factory reset and wipe cache.
The backup would be my current loaded system - in case I need to get back?
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When you're done, wipe data/factory reset and wipe cache.
Is this a single menu item on the recovery card or separate commands?
I appreciate the help and apologise for the need for spoon feeeding but I hope it helps avoid making further mistakes......
One last thought, on the recovery card I downloaded and included "flash_B&N_Stock_v1.4.3_8-16gb_emmc" which I assume would restore to stock 1.4.3 BN version. Is that prossible? and would that be easier to do and start fresh?
Thanks in advance....
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Can you suggest a pointer? I get swamped and cofused on what to choose when I google. The verison I have filed on my PC is embedded in an SD image file and I suspect that is not what you were referring to ( I have: -->> "Team-B-CM7SD-Alpha_final.img".
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That .img file is what you used to create the sdcard your wife and you used. Just as with the recovery sd card, you take said .img file and burn it to it to create a "bootable" sdcard. Thats not what we want to do now (if you're ready to replace the stock OS). Go to this thread for cm7. See where it says "Internal version 8GB & 16GB Compatiable?" Grab that. That is the rom zip file itself. To get gapps, youll need cm7 compatible gapps, found here.
By "internal storage" do you mean in the recovery card or within the Tablet through USB connection?
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By internal storage, I'm referring to the internal storage on the Nook itself. (like what you see when you mount it via USB on your computer). It should come up as "My Nook" or something to that effect. If you store the rom zip file here, you will be able to boot into recovery via the sdcard you created, navigate to the internal storage and find the zip file and install it. Now personally, I would recommend, that if you plan on using internal roms, that you should also change the internal recovery to a custom one. With an internal custom recovery, you could swap between various roms without ever needing to use that recovery sd card. You would simply boot into recovery, grab the zip file for whatever custom rom you want to use and install it.
The easiest way to get a custom recovery is via this app here. Simply install the app and flash the custom recovery within it. Its also a great tool to return to stock recovery should you ever need to.
The backup would be my current loaded system - in case I need to get back?
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Yep.
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Is this a single menu item on the recovery card or separate commands?
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Its in the recovery menu there right at the front. You should see something like reboot system, apply sdcard, wipedata/factory reset, wipe cache, install zip, backup and restore. Backup/restore to backup your current installation, install zip to install the rom + gapps, and wipe data/factory reset + wipe cache after installation.
One last thought, on the recovery card I downloaded and included "flash_B&N_Stock_v1.4.3_8-16gb_emmc" which I assume would restore to stock 1.4.3 BN version. Is that prossible? and would that be easier to do and start fresh?
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I'm not sure what this is. I'll take a look at it.
Cubanluke88 said:
Now personally, I would recommend, that if you plan on using internal roms, that you should also change the internal recovery to a custom one. With an internal custom recovery, you could swap between various roms without ever needing to use that recovery sd card. You would simply boot into recovery, grab the zip file for whatever custom rom you want to use and install it.
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Read much of the following thread and while I think it will be simpler in the future I assume I can do that at any time. Right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1458630
Albert Wertz's youtube video throws a lot of stuff into the process which looks very interesting but I think I'll "crawl" around a bit and use recovery card for little longer while I become more familiar with a rooted tablet.
I grabbed the CM7 and gapp zips you pointed to and I'm going to give that a whirl with my current recovery card and post back with results - hopefully good......
Note that if you install cm7 to the device, you are not simply on a "rooted" tablet anymore. You will be on a custom rom that also happens to have root access (most custom roms do). Its also worth noting that cm7 is a custom rom based on Android 2.3.4, so the roms capabilities and limitations will be subsequently limited to what cm7 is capable of. The latest version of Android is 4.1 and we are lucky enough to have a custom rom (cm10) in development based on it.
sawbuck00;33537204.
I grabbed the CM7 and gapp zips you pointed to and I'm going to give that a whirl with my current recovery card and post back with results - hopefully good......[/QUOTE said:
Well it seemed to go smoothly. Currently geting updates downloaded. Back to exploring and experimenting....
Thank you, Cubanluke88, for help and advice. I expect I'll be back in awhile when I'm ready to install the internal recovery app and probably will screw things up at some point but it is my aim to get a better understanding the capabilities......
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undeeded apps
Been doing some exploring and contemplating addition of a few apps. However, some of the apps loaded with CM7 and Gapps (like car home, phone, camera to name a few) don't make sense on a nook tablet - unless I'm missing a reason they should be there. What is the best way of uninstalling/deleting these or any I may install but discover no need for?
TIA....
sawbuck00 said:
Been doing some exploring and contemplating addition of a few apps. However, some of the apps loaded with CM7 and Gapps (like car home, phone, camera to name a few) don't make sense on a nook tablet - unless I'm missing a reason they should be there. What is the best way of uninstalling/deleting these or any I may install but discover no need for?
TIA....
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They're there because cm7 is a port of a phone based OS (Android 2.3 was designed for phones). You can disable them but I believe camera is tied to gallery so that could screw up picture viewing and phone might be tied to contacts so that could screw up your contacts database if you use gmail. If you have a file explorer that has root access (I use root explorer, paid app in play store), you can navigate to /system/apps and all the apks for those apps (system apps) are found there. You can add a ".bak" extension to each one, then reboot and see if anything breaks. If for some reason things break really badly, you can always reboot to recovery and just flash the rom on top of it again.
UPDATE: Stock ATRIX is SLOW AS HELL.
Read my latest posts! I've since FACTORY RESET+Fully wiped!
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Hi there, I'm running Android 2.3.4 (4.5.91) Atrix (rooted) and have extremely slow write speeds. I have seen other users with other newer phones on Android 4.1.1 that seem to steer towards TRIM not being used. They have since fixed this in Android 4.1.2 according to the post, but doesn't help me with an Atrix . I tried to fix my phone with: several apps on the market like forever gone that write and fill your drive up then erase. I tried to use mount -o remount,discard - but discard is not allowed with this phone. I've tried deleting files on my internal and moved a TON of my apps to sdcard (Still internal storage just /sdcard/* because I'm using no actual SDCard) and still the problem exists. I've tried changing my schedulers and buffer with them to no avail. I've tried using the PDSFIX someone else posted here, and that didn't work either. Tried clearing dalvik / app cache entirely, no change either.
Kind of at a stand-still here as I don't want to factory restore my phone to fix a bug. If I'm going to be factory restoring it and spending an entire day doing so, I'd rather just get a new phone and start over where a problem clearly exists over time with the old phone, and I'll end up having to re-do it over and over, and there STILL isn't a guarantee that it will fix when i factory restore! So.. I need help! If there's ANYTHING you guys can think of that I might be able to do to get my phone back to "working" I would appreciate it! Even updating apps from market or opening an app normally that will use write speed at all, will hang and mostly offer to force close/wait.
APP Storage (Assuming /data?)
1.3GB Used - 665MB Free.
Internal Storage (assuming /sdcard?)
7.5GB used - 3.2GB Free.
Using Androbench:
/data (ext3)
SEQ RD: 16.65MB/s
SEQ WR: 0.22MB/s
RND RD: 1123 IOPS
RND WR: 33 IOPS
Buffer: No
/sdcard (vfat)
SEQ RD: 20.72MB/s
SEQ WR: 2.36MB/s
RND RD: 1145 IOPS
RND WR: 65.78 IOPS
As you can see: /sdcard is getting SEQ 2.5MB/s write and RND WR of a bit lower around 0.8MB/s which is clearly higher than /data.
I've read just about every thread on slow speeds here and most deal with a physical SDCard which I do not have one installed.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/fstrim/?source=dlp
I found a source for fstrim.c but I need to compile it on my phone which costs 3$? I'm afraid it would be a wasted purchase if it didn't work. As far as I know ext3 does not support "discard" option so you need to CRON job fstrim -v / (I have seen this as a solution for others)
Does discard option work with vfat? Or it seems maybe TRIM is the issue here. If I could find a compiled version I could use ON my phone to test, that would be awesome. I tried searching everywhere for an APP to do TRIM commands on your filesystem but came up empty handed.
UPDATE: Looks like TRIM doesn't work on Android 2.3.4. Looks like I'll be getting rid of my phone instead of fixing it, as it's impossible to fix apparently. Does not support -discard or TRIM, and have no feasible way to fix. I kind of liked the Atrix but it seems I will not be buying another Motorola product. Stay away from the ATRIX, it's JUNK.
Just saw they offer 100$ if you upgrade from Atrix 1 to Atrix HD but there are far better phones on the market now to even bother. WHY? Motorola, you need to take your head out of your ass.
Have you tried ROM Manager? It has a setting for boosting SD read/write (increase value from 128 to 2048 or 4096.) Hmm.. I dunno what I'm talking aboutz.
If you are that frustrated and will buy a new phone anyways, why not factory reset your phone and get it done and over with? At least there's a small chance you can fix your problem in Atrix as a principle.. And give you a reason to give in to the nagging innards about buying a shiny new Galaxy Note2 :cyclops: Atrix is still a nice back-up phone...
doqmyk said:
Have you tried ROM Manager? It has a setting for boosting SD read/write (increase value from 128 to 2048 or 4096.) Hmm.. I dunno what I'm talking aboutz.
If you are that frustrated and will buy a new phone anyways, why not factory reset your phone and get it done and over with? At least there's a small chance you can fix your problem in Atrix as a principle.. And give you a reason to give in to the nagging innards about buying a shiny new Galaxy Note2 :cyclops: Atrix is still a nice back-up phone...
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I installed that and didn't see the option. I have titanium backup and titanium media sync but I'm afraid a recovery would be at .5MB/s write and that could take many hours, haha.. umm I guess the reason I haven't factory restored is because this problem will reoccur without a solution. This is only logical. Simply factory restoring my phone every time I fill it up with anything or take long video,etc is not a solution to anything.
Whoops, sorry, my bad, not ROM Manager.. but ROM Toolbox Pro.
On the 1st page of ROM Toolbox Pro, swipe downwards, and presto! SD speed up option
Maybe if you reset it once, AND reinstall the ROM, (after wiping Dalvik and data with the toilet paper..) the problem might go away. Most probably a ROM corruption or app afficted error.
Doesn't hurt to try, especially after purchasing a shiny brand new Note 2..
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doqmyk said:
Whoops, sorry, my bad, not ROM Manager.. but ROM Toolbox Pro.
On the 1st page of ROM Toolbox Pro, swipe downwards, and presto! SD speed up option
Maybe if you reset it once, AND reinstall the ROM, (after wiping Dalvik and data with the toilet paper..) the problem might go away. Most probably a ROM corruption or app afficted error.
Doesn't hurt to try, especially after purchasing a shiny brand new Note 2..
Sent from my MB860 using xda premium
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Tried setting the cache to all the different settings, nothing changed really. If anything, it got worse so I uninstalled, heh.. I've been uninstalling any apps I can think of but nothing is working.
I'm really trying to figure out the damn problem so I don't HAVE to upgrade my phone... I'd rather not waste my 2-yr upgrade on a 300$ upgrade now when there are new devices coming out in a few months :\
Thanks for the help though. Going to mess around with it a bit more I guess.
UPDATE: I wiped my phone COMPLETELY. Unlocked bootloader, and tested, nothing. Same speeds, SLOWER if anything!?!?!?!?
I updated to the newer version 4.5.141 and..
moto-fastboot erase system
moto-fastboot erase boot
moto-fastboot erase webtop
moto-fastboot -w (wipe data)
Used CWM to format /cache
Soo. Wat now? hah..
If you have fully wiped and reset it, it would most probably be a hardware fault, no longer a ROM or setting problem. Probably your NAND has worn out (overused?) or has factory defect that became apparent only recently. You can try using CWM (advanced) to convert ext3 to ext4 the /cache, /data, etc, and see if it helps in any little way or if any. If no effect, and If it's still usable, then just use it as a secondary or back-up phone.
(epinter's CM10.1 ROM would be nice for that..)
or you can just trade it in for a new phone.. Good luck..
doqmyk said:
If you have fully wiped and reset it, it would most probably be a hardware fault, no longer a ROM or setting problem. Probably your NAND has worn out (overused?) or has factory defect that became apparent only recently. You can try using CWM (advanced) to convert ext3 to ext4 the /cache, /data, etc, and see if it helps in any little way or if any. If no effect, and If it's still usable, then just use it as a secondary or back-up phone.
(epinter's CM10.1 ROM would be nice for that..)
or you can just trade it in for a new phone.. Good luck..
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Interesting, my mother has the same phone and got it a bit after mine, her stats:
SEQ RD: 17MB/s
SEQ WR: 2.68MB/s
RND RD: 4MB/s 1027IOPS
RND WR: 0.16MB/s 42IOPS
So. It looks like Motorola designed these NAND chips to fail after a year or two causing the need to upgrade the phone to a new model.. I can't come up with any other solution other than they used cheap as hell hardware?
dosmac said:
Interesting, my mother has the same phone and got it a bit after mine, her stats:
SEQ RD: 17MB/s
SEQ WR: 2.68MB/s
RND RD: 4MB/s 1027IOPS
RND WR: 0.16MB/s 42IOPS
So. It looks like Motorola designed these NAND chips to fail after a year or two causing the need to upgrade the phone to a new model.. I can't come up with any other solution other than they used cheap as hell hardware?
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I have read your posts and I'm wondering how the phone feels when you're using it? (as opposed to looking at the stats)? I must admit you got me confused with all attention to write speeds ect.
As you've rooted/unlocked the bootloader what would you think about installing a custom rom? Something like CM7.2
It shouldn't take long. You've already got Titanium backup so you can back up your apps that you downloaded (not system apps) and install them after you have installed your new rom. It really shouldn't take long.
There is also a zip file called 'ram fix' which I've put here which might help after you've installed CM7.2 (it was designed for CM9/10 but there's no harm in trying it out)
You could also install a kernel which overclocks your CPU speed, thus making your phone faster.
If you decide to go down this route you'll need to do the following:
download CM 7.2/Gapps/Ramfix/Faux 1.3 overclock kernel and install on internal sd card
back up apps using titanium back up (do not back up system apps)
go into recovery and select 'mounts and storage'
format the following: system,data,osh,cache,preinstall
go back to main recovery menu and select 'install from sd card'
select 'choose zip from internal sd card'
select the CM7.2 zip that you have put on there (it will be at the bottom)
select Gapps zip and install
restart phone and go through start up procedure'
After Gapps has installed go back into recovery and repeat steps to get to install the ramfix zip and overclocking zip
restart phone
reinstall Titanium and reinsatll your apps of choice.
and hey presto... you'll have a new shiny fast Atrix :good:
barry_ said:
I have read your posts and I'm wondering how the phone feels when you're using it? (as opposed to looking at the stats)? I must admit you got me confused with all attention to write speeds ect.
As you've rooted/unlocked the bootloader what would you think about installing a custom rom? Something like CM7.2
It shouldn't take long. You've already got Titanium backup so you can back up your apps that you downloaded (not system apps) and install them after you have installed your new rom. It really shouldn't take long.
There is also a zip file called 'ram fix' which I've put here which might help after you've installed CM7.2 (it was designed for CM9/10 but there's no harm in trying it out)
You could also install a kernel which overclocks your CPU speed, thus making your phone faster.
If you decide to go down this route you'll need to do the following:
download CM 7.2/Gapps/Ramfix/Faux 1.3 overclock kernel and install on internal sd card
back up apps using titanium back up (do not back up system apps)
go into recovery and select 'mounts and storage'
format the following: system,data,osh,cache,preinstall
go back to main recovery menu and select 'install from sd card'
select 'choose zip from internal sd card'
select the CM7.2 zip that you have put on there (it will be at the bottom)
select Gapps zip and install
restart phone and go through start up procedure'
After Gapps has installed go back into recovery and repeat steps to get to install the ramfix zip and overclocking zip
restart phone
reinstall Titanium and reinsatll your apps of choice.
and hey presto... you'll have a new shiny fast Atrix :good:
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Considering doing this, not even sure if I can restore my Atrix back to stock and relock the bootloader. I unlocked it thinking CWM and this restore would be the fix.. heh.. nope.
The phone is basically usable as long as you're not...doing anything. Opening apps takes forever, a reboot takes 5-6minutes about. To update an app, everything on the phone comes to a GRINDING halt until the app completely updates, that is if market doesnt force close first. I have to keep hitting "wait" at least 2-3 times until a small app updates. If its a 20MB app, it's frozen for 3minutes+ just updating one app. Anything that writes/reads from my internal memory is deathly slow. I'll have to try CM7 mod maybe Neutrino?
Is it even possible to turn in this phone to Moto for the 100$ rebate and blowing my 2-yr upgrade on a ATRIX HD? It seems more effective to just go and get a Galaxy Note II with 399$ than it does to get a Atrix HD, quadcore vs dualcore? I wanted to wait until Tegra 4 came to market, but I don't know how long that will be.. I'm left with a mediocre phone that is stock (i've not re-added my apps yet with titanium backup). Not sure where to go next with this. I'm hoping I can import my apps to Jellybean from Gingerbread with Titanium Backup!! Thank you for all the help. I appreciate it!
I have the same problem. Currently running CM 10 from epinter.
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OP, did you ever find a solution to this problem?
I'm facing the same issue with my atrix (stock Gingerbread 2.3.4, not rooted, free app storage: 1.24Gb, free internal: 9.91Gb):
Sequential Read: 10.67 MB/s
Sequential Write: 0.28 MB/s
Random Read: 1.48 MB/s
Random Write: 0.02 MB/s
Both of you, have you tried "sd speed increase" app from play store? I recall doing this recomendation, with examples in another post. It can greatly increase reading/writing speed for sd card an internal storage as well
ndsLux was
Note that (alpha) 3.1.10 kernel always had slow sd write. Only now people starting to discuss that (see epinter's 10.1 dev thread and/or kernel 3.1 one, I didn't remember which one it was, but krystianp is aware of that).
As of cm7, I never had this issue. Copying files via usb for instance was fast and smooth. Same for epinter's 10.1 with old kernel. With kernel 3.1, it 's slow as hell. Yet to be fixed, perhaps?
I am a little familiar with rooting and flagging cm add I did it flawlessly on my nexus I just bought a nook tablet 8gb (wad told it was new hd and didn't know a thing about nooks and fell for it) but it is the older regular nook tablet. It was already rooted and had cm7 installed. I don't know what method was used bit it does power directly into cm7. I am used to jelly bean and I don't like going back to GB. I've researched fora few days on differences with this tablet but I've not found much. Does anyone have s link to a stable version of the acclaim cm10? What doi need to do too flash the new rom without raising my chances of brick. Do I just go to recovery and delete all data then install rom from sd? Do I have to flash a new kernel? Or can I flash a faster one(that's another reason for wantingcm10 mine freezes alot) if I can flash one does anyone have links to the rom and a comparable kernel? That you so much in advanced!
Wrong subforum methinks...
Try cm10.2, usual full wipe and install via CWM.
It's now supported via cmupdater for automatic updates
chachi said:
Try the cm10.2 in the thread, full wipe and install via CWM.
It's now supported via cmupdater for automatic updates
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ok now i have a bigger problem... I didnt reformat the SD card but I removed it and deleted unneeded things there was a clockworkmod file but i didnt touch it and there was no .zip file but after I did that nothing would word EVERYTHING force closed so I held power botton and hit "reboot" well when I did that it rebooted into the nook operating system... How did this happen? is it unrooted? can I get back to CM7 or did i delete it on accident? ANYBODY PLEASE HELP i just bought this and its actually my daughters birthday gift and I dont have the money to buy anything else so I have to find a way to get this working before her bday
Sounds like you had cm7 on SD not internal...
Do a clean install to internal
Hi I bought a Nook Tablet running CM 10.13 stable, wanting to restore to stock. I did restore it using Nookunrooter apk. However, it is really laggy and when I tried to restore it back to factory settings again I saw the android menu come up before it switched to the 'Nook: Read forever'. Is the android still on it and that's why it is lagging so much.
You might want to consider this method for a clean restore to stock ROM (v1.4.2):
http://raywaldo.com/2012/06/how-to-un-brick-a-nook-tablet-8gb-or-16gb/
jalila said:
Hi I bought a Nook Tablet running CM 10.13 stable, wanting to restore to stock. I did restore it using Nookunrooter apk. However, it is really laggy and when I tried to restore it back to factory settings again I saw the android menu come up before it switched to the 'Nook: Read forever'. Is the android still on it and that's why it is lagging so much.
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Hi,
applying an APK to any install would (generally) only make changes to the running system software in a somewhat small way
The method posted here: will return the unit to bone stock, 100% , refreshing the system with factory versions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1663836
(same method/image as digixmax posted)
(download the image, create an SD card, boot and run the card, and it returns you and your partitions to factory version 1.42)
if you have anything on the tablet , it wont be there when you are done....
you might want to check before you reflash it , if the system settings screen is aware of the serial number, ie: can you register an account on the NOOK with Barnes & Noble as it sits now ? because if the person you bought it from made a mistake, then you may end up with a unit that your only option is to run an alternate version of something, not the factory software.
good luck
edit: I guess if you were running CM10, you wouldnt have any access to the "stock" software anyway, so if you want bone stock and then install something better (CM11 is really, really good...) then sure , might as well start it off totally fresh.
digixmax said:
You might want to consider this method for a clean restore to stock ROM (v1.4.2):
I actually tried using the method from this link before the apk, but the nook would just keep booting into CM10. That's when I decided to just use the apk. I am on stock, but it's really buggy and if you look on the link you sent me when I tried to do a factory reset on stock it gave me the message show int he last picture "Clearing data.. A reset is being preformed this may take few minutes." that's why I figured some trace of the CM was still on here.
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mikeataol said:
Hi,
applying an APK to any install would (generally) only make changes to the running system software in a somewhat small way
The method posted here: will return the unit to bone stock, 100% , refreshing the system with factory versions.
(same method/image as digixmax posted)
(download the image, create an SD card, boot and run the card, and it returns you and your partitions to factory version 1.42)
if you have anything on the tablet , it wont be there when you are done....
you might want to check before you reflash it , if the system settings screen is aware of the serial number, ie: can you register an account on the NOOK with Barnes & Noble as it sits now ? because if the person you bought it from made a mistake, then you may end up with a unit that your only option is to run an alternate version of something, not the factory software.
good luck
edit: I guess if you were running CM10, you wouldnt have any access to the "stock" software anyway, so if you want bone stock and then install something better (CM11 is really, really good...) then sure , might as well start it off totally fresh.
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I'll try and see if this works again, now that I am on 'stock'. Thanks, tell you how it turns out.