[Q] Something's gone wrong - Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4

Hi there!! A while back I was rooted and enjoyed it very much. But recently, my friend's S4 had a bit of a booting up issue. So I decided to unroot. After unrooting, I thought of updating (because I didn't want to break my phone from root. I'm paranoid). When I went to update, I remembered that I had frozen SDM.apk with Root Uninstaller. So I had the idea of trying to re-root it, to no avail. Something went horribly wrong. Any ideas? Thanks in advanced! BTW, I am on MDK.
NOTE: I had a few mods, such as the AIO Odex Mod. All of my mods EXCEPT for the toggles were uninstalled. I am a noob to this Jelly Bean rooting, please point me in the right direction

You will probably need to start understanding what odin is...
safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven

decaturbob said:
You will probably need to start understanding what odin is...
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I do know what ODIN is. Again, I have tried to re-root to no avail. I tried to flash the kernel, but it never worked.

Why did u think to update? You have a mdk build phone. You don't want to update this. You need to take some time and educate your self
safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven

decaturbob said:
Why did u think to update? You have a mdk build phone. You don't want to update this. You need to take some time and educate your self
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When 4.4.2 comes, I would like to update.
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/01/1...alaxy-s4-gt-i9505-sports-same-ol-touchwiz-ui/
The transparent Notification bar is definitely weird on Nova.

HwaA18 said:
When 4.4.2 comes, I would like to update.
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/01/1...alaxy-s4-gt-i9505-sports-same-ol-touchwiz-ui/
The transparent Notification bar is definitely weird on Nova.
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You need to understand what having a mdk firmware build S4 means...you don't need to update...you have the ability to load a custom recovery and flash any rom you want...your phone has the loki exploit for bootloader.
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decaturbob said:
You need to understand what having a mdk firmware build S4 means...you don't need to update...you have the ability to load a custom recovery and flash any rom you want...your phone has the loki exploit for bootloader.
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Yes, I do understand that. Either way, I still cannot root.

HwaA18 said:
Yes, I do understand that. Either way, I still cannot root.
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Use saferoot, or the ME7 root method. And I really dont think you understand that you don't need to update your device. What we mean is that on MDK you can already run 4.4.2 if you flash say cm 11. If you take an update you're effectively locking your device down, ensuring that you wont be able to run the latest builds when they come out and you would be making a big mistake. So I'll tell you what Ill help you get root, if you don't update your device, or at least if you do don't post saying you did, it would be so depressing lol. It would be worse than upgrading to Vista from XP or to Windows 8 from Windows 7.

Surge1223 said:
Use saferoot, or the ME7 root method. And I really dont think you understand that you don't need to update your device. What we mean is that on MDK you can already run 4.4.2 if you flash say cm 11. If you take an update you're effectively locking your device down, ensuring that you wont be able to run the latest builds when they come out and you would be making a big mistake. So I'll tell you what Ill help you get root, if you don't update your device, or at least if you do don't post saying you did, it would be so depressing lol. It would be worse than upgrading to Vista from XP or to Windows 8 from Windows 7.
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I do fully realize that if I update, I'm stuck forever. And I do like your analogy. But either way, I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to anything 2.3+ if I screw up my phone, I fear something far worse could happen.

HwaA18 said:
I do fully realize that if I update, I'm stuck forever. And I do like your analogy. But either way, I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to anything 2.3+ if I screw up my phone, I fear something far worse could happen.
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What error did you get with motochopper? The easiest method to use would be saferoot if your comfortable with usbing adb or if you have a 32/64 gb sdcard laying around and know how to format to exfat use the ME7 root method
As always, go to settings--> security---> make sure 'Uknown sources' is checked and 'Verify apps' is unchecked. Then enable developer options if you have not already and make sure 'USB debugging' is enabled before attempting any of the above root methods. Also it might help to set Screen lock to None while you root, it can be enabled after. Post what errors you get if any so I can help.

Surge1223 said:
What error did you get with motochopper? The easiest method to use would be saferoot if your comfortable with usbing adb or if you have a 32/64 gb sdcard laying around and know how to format to exfat use the ME7 root method
As always, go to settings--> security---> make sure 'Uknown sources' is checked and 'Verify apps' is unchecked. Then enable developer options if you have not already and make sure 'USB debugging' is enabled before attempting any of the above root methods. Also it might help to set Screen lock to None while you root, it can be enabled after. Post what errors you get if any so I can help.
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I actually cannot use saferoot due to the fact that I do not have a 32/64 GB card. I will try motochopper tomorrow and tell you the error. Thank you for your help!

HwaA18 said:
I actually cannot use saferoot due to the fact that I do not have a 32/64 GB card. I will try motochopper tomorrow and tell you the error. Thank you for your help!
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Spend $20 and get a 32g sd card...and keep mdk intact. Believe me there is enough info in this forum that you can get so you won't have issues.
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HwaA18 said:
I actually cannot use saferoot due to the fact that I do not have a 32/64 GB card. I will try motochopper tomorrow and tell you the error. Thank you for your help!
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You're mixing things up here.
One: Motochopper only works on MDK.
Two: Saferoot doesn't work on MDK, only MJ7/MK2 as far as I know.
Three: Saferoot doesn't require anything special as far as your SDcard size. The MI1 root does.
So, what bootloader are you on? Don't use motochopper if you're past MDK.

k1mu said:
You're mixing things up here.
One: Motochopper only works on MDK.
Two: Saferoot doesn't work on MDK, only MJ7/MK2 as far as I know.
Three: Saferoot doesn't require anything special as far as your SDcard size. The MI1 root does.
So, what bootloader are you on? Don't use motochopper if you're past MDK.
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Saferoot works on ME7, I posted a pic of it in the first couple pages of the saferoot thread. It should work with MDK as well.
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k1mu said:
You're mixing things up here.
One: Motochopper only works on MDK.
Two: Saferoot doesn't work on MDK, only MJ7/MK2 as far as I know.
Three: Saferoot doesn't require anything special as far as your SDcard size. The MI1 root does.
So, what bootloader are you on? Don't use motochopper if you're past MDK.
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I'm on MDK. But after flashing the kernel, nothing happens
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Man I hope you don't upgrade your MDK phone or at least don't tell us you have like surge stated, painful to think about, and here I am spending some caahhhh on an MDK of Swappa... Jeez
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HwaA18 said:
I'm on MDK. But after flashing the kernel, nothing happens
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I dont understand what you mean about "flashing the kernel".

decaturbob said:
I dont understand what you mean about "flashing the kernel".
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In order to root, you need to flash the MD2 kernel, because the MSK won't work.
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HwaA18 said:
In order to root, you need to flash the MD2 kernel, because the MSK won't work.
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You don't have a Verizon s4...
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decaturbob said:
You don't have a Verizon s4...
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What do you mean?
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Related

Format phone and keep root on MJ7

Hey im having problems with my phone on MJ7 and was wondering if there was a way to format my phone but keep the root?
ponzi314 said:
Hey im having problems with my phone on MJ7 and was wondering if there was a way to format my phone but keep the root?
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Flash the no-wipe MJ7 rom from this thread.
k1mu said:
Flash the no-wipe MJ7 rom from this thread.
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are you sure? Theres comments saying it doesnt keep root.
ponzi314 said:
are you sure? Theres comments saying it doesnt keep root.
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It doesn't. Once you're done, just re-root.
You can't "format", in other words wipe, a device and keep root without a pre-rooted ROM image. The GS4 bootloader won't allow you to flash such an image, so there's none available.
k1mu said:
It doesn't. Once you're done, just re-root.
You can't "format", in other words wipe, a device and keep root without a pre-rooted ROM image. The GS4 bootloader won't allow you to flash such an image, so there's none available.
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Wow im an idiot. I didnt know they had a method or rooting the device again. last time i had to go from mi1 root there then update. Thank you.
Do you recommend just updating to MK2? When I open apps they just crash on me. Thats why I want to do this.
ponzi314 said:
Wow im an idiot. I didnt know they had a method or rooting the device again. last time i had to go from mi1 root there then update. Thank you.
Do you recommend just updating to MK2? When I open apps they just crash on me. Thats why I want to do this.
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As far as I know, there's no MK2 stock ROM image out there yet.
I'd flash the MJ7 stock no-wipe that I pointed to, then root it. Once that's stable, you can update to MK2 if you want since you can flash back to MJ7 f rom MK2 if you need to.

[Q] Root + Custom ROM on mk2 kernel

Just tell me, is this even possible? The only way I know to do it is to use saferoot, but apparently you can't flash roms with it.
I also tried to use the prereleased kernel but when I tried to flash it said FAIL.
Is there any way to root and flash from the mk2 kernel (sch-9545)?
alexwohlbruck said:
Just tell me, is this even possible? The only way I know to do it is to use saferoot, but apparently you can't flash roms with it.
I also tried to use the prereleased kernel but when I tried to flash it said FAIL.
Is there any way to root and flash from the mk2 kernel (sch-9545)?
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No it's not possible to flash kernels. Your only option is Safestrap. Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2606501
How exactly do you root then?
Okay do if you use saferoot and safestrap it's possible?
alexwohlbruck said:
So root is impossible then? I don't have any knowledge of "Safestrap".
Do you need a custom recovery or can you just use the default one?
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Root is easily gained...but on mk2 you can't flash custom ROMs...only a few modified stock roms with safestrap...read up there is plenty of info on safe strap available if you just look...unlocked/bypassed bootloader seems like it may come soon but no one knows...only with that will you be able to flash custom roms
alexwohlbruck said:
So root is impossible then? I don't have any knowledge of "Safestrap".
Do you need a custom recovery or can you just use the default one?
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I posted that link for a reason. Read up and learn what you can and can't do.
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riker147 said:
I posted that link for a reason. Read up and learn what you can and can't do.
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The same impatience to learn what can and can't be done..
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What about this
decaturbob said:
The same impatience to learn what can and can't be done..
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This is literally exactly what I wanted. It's from pocketnow so it ought to be real. Are you sure?
m.pocketnow.com/2013/07/15/verizon-galaxy-s-4-google-edition
alexwohlbruck said:
This is literally exactly what I wanted. It's from pocketnow so it ought to be real. Are you sure?
m.pocketnow.com/2013/07/15/verizon-galaxy-s-4-google-edition
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Sure about what? That link you posted is from July and pertains to the MDK build. Did you even check out the link I posted?
Sorry I'm being stupid but I'm new to this
riker147 said:
Sure about what? That link you posted is from July and pertains to the MDK build. Did you even check out the link I posted?
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Never mind forget that.
I rooted successfully with saferoot, is it safe to install a custom rom with safestrap?
alexwohlbruck said:
Never mind forget that.
I rooted successfully with saferoot, is it safe to install a custom rom with safestrap?
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Yes, of course - as long as you understand what's compatible with Safestrap. Please spend the time to understand the limitations before you start trying to flash CM or something else that'll permanently void your warranty.
k1mu said:
Yes, of course - as long as you understand what's compatible with Safestrap. Please spend the time to understand the limitations before you start trying to flash CM or something else that'll permanently void your warranty.
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Yes I've already chosen a rom I know works.
Thanks for all your help. One last question though. Can you run two different roms at the same time with safestrap? That's what it seems like.
alexwohlbruck said:
Yes I've already chosen a rom I know works.
Thanks for all your help. One last question though. Can you run two different roms at the same time with safestrap? That's what it seems like.
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Yes, if you install the two roms into different slots. But that's obvious if you read the safestrap thread,
You can't run them "at the same time" since you boot stock, or one of the non-stock slots. i.e. multiple installed at once with the ability to choose what's booted.
Omg another problem
When I click install recovery, it loads, finishes, and nothing happens. The reboot option is greyed out and when I reboot manually it just does it normally. Why???
alexwohlbruck said:
When I click install recovery, it loads, finishes, and nothing happens. The reboot option is greyed out and when I reboot manually it just does it normally. Why???
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Are you using Safestrap 3.71? What do you get when you click "Install Recovery"?
I get a "Preparing Installation" window that says "Checking busybox", "Running installation script", "Cleaning up" then the "Reboot to recovery" option is enabled. Apparently something isn't going right on the install.
You ARE using a Verizon SCH-i545, correct?
Yes I'm using the i545/mk2 version. I used 3.71 and a few older ones and it didn't work on any of them.
It goes through the same process as it should, but when it's done, it still says "state: not installed". Before I even do it I have the option between install or uninstall, which is weird. Should I record a video?
alexwohlbruck said:
Yes I'm using the i545/mk2 version. I used 3.71 and a few older ones and it didn't work on any of them.
It goes through the same process as it should, but when it's done, it still says "state: not installed". Before I even do it I have the option between install or uninstall, which is weird. Should I record a video?
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Check the SuperSU app on your phone. It should be installed already after rooting, but if not, grab it from the Play Store. The root binary may need to be updated.

Trying to install ROMs

I followed the instructions of a number of videos and threads to properly achieve root and a recovery. After all that I can not get even one ROM to install. I have a Verizon S4 on NC5. Any ideas?
BuffaloChips said:
I followed the instructions of a number of videos and threads to properly achieve root and a recovery. After all that I can not get even one ROM to install. I have a Verizon S4 on NC5. Any ideas?
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Towel Root or cf auto root to root. Safestrap is your only hope for a recovery right now.
wtherrell said:
Towel Root or cf auto root to root. Safestrap is your only hope for a recovery right now.
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I understand that part. My problem lies with the fact that not even the ROMs That are supposed to work with SS will not install. Tried Hyperdrive and it gets to about 30% and goes back to the main screen in SS. Was wondering if there were thoughts as to why this is happening or maybe what I can do to get it to work.
BuffaloChips said:
I understand that part. My problem lies with the fact that not even the ROMs That are supposed to work with SS will not install. Tried Hyperdrive and it gets to about 30% and goes back to the main screen in SS. Was wondering if there were thoughts as to why this is happening or maybe what I can do to get it to work.
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Need to look at which version of Safestrap you are using and are you installing into stock slot.
Problem solved. I thought I had SS 6.72 installed. Turns out it was 6.71. Switched that and it is working fine.

[Q] Samsung GS4 and Rom manager

Has anyone been able to get this to work?
I have a stock rooted GS4 from Verizon, the USB debugging is on. I have ROM Manager Premium v5.5.3.7 as well as Titanium backup which works fine. I used Towelroot to root it and it seems to have done its job correctly. I have both Clockworkmod touch and the standard Clockworkmod recovery to work with, both seem to do the same thing.
In ROM Manager I can brows ROMs and look for stuff but when I tap to backup the ROM I get the name dialog hit ok and it just goes reboots to the recovery.
Anyone gotten around this?
smloftus said:
Has anyone been able to get this to work?
I have a stock rooted GS4 from Verizon, the USB debugging is on. I have ROM Manager Premium v5.5.3.7 as well as Titanium backup which works fine. I used Towelroot to root it and it seems to have done its job correctly. I have both Clockworkmod touch and the standard Clockworkmod recovery to work with, both seem to do the same thing.
In ROM Manager I can brows ROMs and look for stuff but when I tap to backup the ROM I get the name dialog hit ok and it just goes reboots to the recovery.
Anyone gotten around this?
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You cannot use clockworkmod or rom manager unless you are on mdk. You are going to soft brick your phone.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1
liljoe727 said:
You cannot use clockworkmod or rom manager unless you are on mdk. You are going to soft brick your phone.
What does "mdk" refer to? I'm still kind of new at the whole android hacking...
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smloftus said:
liljoe727 said:
You cannot use clockworkmod or rom manager unless you are on mdk. You are going to soft brick your phone.
What does "mdk" refer to? I'm still kind of new at the whole android hacking...
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MDK is the bootloader that you're on. If you bought an S4 recently chances are you are not on an MDK bootloader also if you took any OTA updates you are no longer on an MDK bootloader.
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If only there were a million threads on this subject to research
scrillakev said:
smloftus said:
MDK is the bootloader that you're on. If you bought an S4 recently chances are you are not on an MDK bootloader also if you took any OTA updates you are no longer on an MDK bootloader.
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I have had it for over a year now, but I did do at least one OTA OS update at some point.
Is there a way to put an MDK bootloader back on it?
Is there a different product you would recommend for ROM backup and restore?
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smloftus said:
scrillakev said:
I have had it for over a year now, but I did do at least one OTA OS update at some point.
Is there a way to put an MDK bootloader back on it?
Is there a different product you would recommend for ROM backup and restore?
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I think your only option now is using SafeStrap. Do you know exactly what bootloader you're on?
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Allow hotspot tether on rooted NK1...

FYI. Under NC5, I was able to use the standard hotspot to tether by using Wanam Xposed's "Disable Tether Provisioning." That didn't work after an upgrade to NK1. But, the good news is that the X Tether Xposed module does seem to work fine.
(FoxFi didn't work under NK1, either)
so wait does nk1 use the same root method as was suggested for ng6? (use nc5 kernel, root, ng6 kernel, reboot)
Be nice if someone can make a zip to use the built in tether like nc5
skepticmisfit said:
so wait does nk1 use the same root method as was suggested for ng6? (use nc5 kernel, root, ng6 kernel, reboot)
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I was able to do it like that.
So far no one else has confirmed if they could.
NK1 root thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-to-root-i545vrufnk1-4-4-2-12-1-2014-t2959613
tshelby73 said:
Be nice if someone can make a zip to use the built in tether like nc5
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I used this one for NG6.... Dont think there were many changes with this update... Have had no issues at all....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56949788
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joebrady119 said:
I used this one for NG6.... Dont think there were many changes with this update... Have had no issues at all....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56949788
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I'm not sure if there were any changes so I updated it.
mike.s said:
(FoxFi didn't work under NK1, either)
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FoxFi works for me on NK1.
X tether in xposed still works on nk1!!!!
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The zip above worked for me
brandoncampbell said:
I'm not sure if there were any changes so I updated it.
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Dude! This is awesome! Make a new thread for it!
Worked sorta
I was able to Root using the steps in the link above, flashing down with Odin, towelroot, flash back up.
However, the .zip linked above did not work for me. It is saying "Footer is wrong, signature verification failed" to both things it is trying to install.
I am on NK1 (i545vruf-mk1) 4.4.2
Really, the only thing I want to do is get Tether up and running. Any help with that would be appreciated!
sfinktur said:
I was able to Root using the steps in the link above, flashing down with Odin, towelroot, flash back up.
However, the .zip linked above did not work for me. It is saying "Footer is wrong, signature verification failed" to both things it is trying to install.
I am on NK1 (i545vruf-mk1) 4.4.2
Really, the only thing I want to do is get Tether up and running. Any help with that would be appreciated!
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You are using safestrap to flash correct?
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tshelby73 said:
You are using safestrap to flash correct?
Sent from S4 using the worst jacked up version of Tapatalk to date
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I used Odin to flash the firmware from NK1 down to NC1 (I think), to towelroot, than back up to NK1.
All that went fine, and root is working fine. I used no-bloat to remove a bunch of stuff and have used SuperManager and SQLite Editor to edit stuff that I would need Root to do. The phone is rooted, and I didn't use safestrap.
Do I need safestrap to load these .zip modifications for Wifi / Tether? Seems like they are supposed to load direct from recovery mode. Am I wrong?
sfinktur said:
I used Odin to flash the firmware from NK1 down to NC1 (I think), to towelroot, than back up to NK1.
All that went fine, and root is working fine. I used no-bloat to remove a bunch of stuff and have used SuperManager and SQLite Editor to edit stuff that I would need Root to do. The phone is rooted, and I didn't use safestrap.
Do I need safestrap to load these .zip modifications for Wifi / Tether? Seems like they are supposed to load direct from recovery mode. Am I wrong?
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yes. safestrap.
aznjosh said:
yes. safestrap.
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Ok, I have never used SafeStrap, but I have it installed on my phone, and I have the .zip files still. Anyone have a guide thats a little more explicit than, "Now install it?"
EDIT:
NM, using XDA Modules, I grabbed X Tether and it works like a champ! Thank for the direction though!!!
Their is a way to enable the tether without safe strap but involves a lot more knowledge of unzipping and file permissions or you well end up with boot loop.
On my daughter's phone I just installed safe strap 3.72 installed the zip then uninstalled safe strap. Works great on hers and mine even adds the toggle you can turn it on and off.
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VZW Sammy Galaxy S4 rooted nk1
Can someone please explain exactly what this post means:
"NM, using XDA Modules, I grabbed X Tether and it works like a champ! Thank for the direction though!!!"
Thanks in advance!
NK1 root
Sir_Eagle said:
I was able to do it like that.
So far no one else has confirmed if they could.
NK1 root thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-to-root-i545vrufnk1-4-4-2-12-1-2014-t2959613
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Yes, it works fine. Just make sure to have a shortcut to towelroot on your home screen. With the nc5 kernel flashed it's only moments until reboot / lockup. But with the shortcut there I was able to root, reflash the nk1 kernel and update SUPERSU binary and all root apps are working fine.
A hack to get native tether going would be great. Let me know if anyone has a way to do this.
Thanks
Motaba1 said:
A hack to get native tether going would be great. Let me know if anyone has a way to do this.
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A horse can only be led to water.
Motaba1 said:
Yes, it works fine. Just make sure to have a shortcut to towelroot on your home screen. With the nc5 kernel flashed it's only moments until reboot / lockup. But with the shortcut there I was able to root, reflash the nk1 kernel and update SUPERSU binary and all root apps are working fine.
A hack to get native tether going would be great. Let me know if anyone has a way to do this.
Thanks
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Look at post #6 in this thread
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