The small memory size is getting rather annoying, and since SSD's are fast enough to perform like (very) slow memory, I'd like to set up a swap partition on my YP-G70 to function as some virtual memory.
I've found this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1659231 and I wondered if it will work with the YP-G70 since I know our system uses some weird drive partitioning scheme.
Also, how badly will this shorten the devices lifespan. (Well, technically lifespan of the internal drive, but since that's non-replacable ...)
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The small memory size is getting rather annoying, and since SSD's are fast enough to perform like (very) slow memory, I'd like to set up a swap partition on my YP-G70 to function as some virtual memory.
I've found this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1659231 and I wondered if it will work with the YP-G70 since I know our system uses some weird drive partitioning scheme.
Also, how badly will this shorten the devices lifespan. (Well, technically lifespan of the internal drive, but since that's non-replacable ...)
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The guide implies an external SD card.. Doesn't it?
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The guide implies an external SD card.. Doesn't it?
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Yeah, wasn't really paying attention to that part. I'm used to GB style thinkign where everything for the system has to be on the internal card.
But yeah, I'd definitely put it on an external card, if it will work.
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Yeah, wasn't really paying attention to that part. I'm used to GB style thinkign where everything for the system has to be on the internal card.
But yeah, I'd definitely put it on an external card, if it will work.
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Well, In that case the "weird" partitioning should not affect it at all.:good:
its theres a way to swap internal to external sd in 4.4. like in the 4.3?
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its theres a way to swap internal to external sd in 4.4. like in the 4.3?
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Apparently, it's possible, but I haven't seen anything swapping "tricks" for the Galaxy Player (or many other devices, for that matter). You can, however, use Directory Bind, this script, or Root External 2 Internal SD.
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I was poking around the app SystemPanel (available on the market) and I noticed that the internal storage only adds up to 4gb. This is including the System Storage(849.5MB), Application Storage(2670.8MB), and The cache(424.7MB). Now I don't know much about the file structure, and I am probably missing something, but I thought that the internal storage was 8GB?
Anybody else run into this discovery?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1003232
I'm guessing what Brad is trying to point out without actually putting any effort into answering your question, is according to the linked thread, eMMC is only 4GB
Some unsourced claim said:
Memory (emmc/RAM): 4GB / 768 MB ]
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However the Thunderbolt page on Verizon's own website still claims 8GB
Verizon said:
Memory / Processor
8GB eMMC
768 MB RAM
Actual formatted capacity will be less
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As does Amazon.com here
Amazon said:
Memory
32 GB pre-loaded microSD memory card with support for other optional cards up to 32 GB.
8 GB internal memory
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Oh yeah, even HTChttp://www.htc.com/us/products/thunderbolt-verizon#tech-specs says 8:
HTC said:
8GB emmc + 768 RAM Memory card, preinstalled 32 GB microSD™
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I'm going to venture to guess one of two things is going on:
HTC fat fingered the spec-sheet and everybody else copied it without doing any research (Alternate: Last minute change and their tech sheet was never updated)
There really is 8GB of eMMC, but the "missing" 4GB is hidden, disabled, or otherwise unaccounted for at the moment.
In any event, until someone does a tear down we probably wont know for absolute certainty.
It's not "missing." Pulled from the other thread.
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There is 5.00168gbs(or 5121.72mb) on the system partition according to Root Explorer and a calculator. Most of it is free (empty) space, though.
5.00168 + the ~2.5gb user storage partition = ~7.5gb.
This is the same as the MT4G and G2, both of which had the same advertised 8gb internal storage I believe.
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And since I know this question will be next...
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madfatter said:
how do we get at this space? it seems strange to have it just sitting around there, not being able to be used. perhaps it is possible to rewrite emmc partions to give this an "internal" storage, much like the Dinc had?
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Most likely this will be impossible.
The eMMC's generally used by HTC can only be partitioned once, period. At least, this was the case with the G2 and the MT4G which had the same "missing" storage space.
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EDIT: Pulled the more technical explanation from the G2's Wiki: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
Yes, I realize that G2 =/= Thunderbolt. However, it's very likely that HTC uses similiar processes for all of it's phones.
O, ok. I searched xda and it didn't turn up any discussions like this.
O and yippee for companies essentially screwing us out of half of the internal memory we paid for...
Thanks for all of the information guys...
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It's not "missing." Pulled from the other thread.
And since I know this question will be next...
EDIT: Pulled the more technical explanation from the G2's Wiki: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
Yes, I realize that G2 =/= Thunderbolt. However, it's very likely that HTC uses similiar processes for all of it's phones.
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Yeah I hasn't finished reading that thread when I replied in here, so I didn't realize the space had been located.
I know the way HTC does eMMC makes it a one time partition, but since its there as "system" according to that post, shouldn't that mean it could be utilized by us somehow? I don't entirely understand all of the nuance to androids partition madness, but I'm an old hand with linux. My first thought runs to making a loopback in some of the free space and mounting it in a user assessable area a la how you can mount iso's and swap files. Might not be the fastest but for data that doesn't change often it could work. Hell I'm pretty sure thats all the ext2/4 hacks on the sgs phones are doing to avoid rfs.
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I wish I knew linux well enough to understand that...
How come the EVO 3D only has 1 gig of internal storage? I'm really wanting this phone this worries me. My Asus Transformer has 32 gigs of internal storage and with all the apps and everything I have on it, I'm well above 18 gigs used. And that's not including movies (stored on MicroSD).
So with that said, with 1 gig of internal storage, this device is VERY limited to how many programs you can load onto it right?
And I know there is App2SD but not all apps are compatible doing that. How do you guys fare with such limited internal storage?
Even on the OGVO I never had issues, but then again, I don't download the entire market.
When they start releasing roms I'm sure it will free up a couple more gb of internal storage BC were suppose to have 4. I think but I'm not sure a lot of rom was used for sense and the security they used to lock the phone.
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No problems here. I haunt even used a third.. there is no need to have hundreds of apps..
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* Pre-Honeycomb Android versions have a space limitation on installed apps.
* Froyo and Gingerbread grants the ability to move applicable apps to external media (microSD).
* Honeycomb takes advantage of all available space for application installation while removing the ability to move apps to external media.
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How come the EVO 3D only has 1 gig of internal storage? I'm really wanting this phone this worries me. My Asus Transformer has 32 gigs of internal storage and with all the apps and everything I have on it, I'm well above 18 gigs used. And that's not including movies (stored on MicroSD).
So with that said, with 1 gig of internal storage, this device is VERY limited to how many programs you can load onto it right?
And I know there is App2SD but not all apps are compatible doing that. How do you guys fare with such limited internal storage?
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You do realize that you are confusing the storage mediums, right? The 32gb of storage on your transformer is the same as the 8gb of storage on the SD card that comes with the Evo 3D. You can always install a 32gb card if you want. The Asus only has 1gb of "internal storage." in the way you are lookig at this.
You really are not going to find many phones with more internal storage unless they are sealed and have no MicroSD slot (aka iPhone).
Well I was really worried to owned a EVO and only had like 400 mb left. And the Thunderbird like 2.5 gb free (out of the 8gb internal that they say it has) anyways most apps over 10mb will let you moved to SD card , I download a lot apps and games are the only ones with the big space , I was amazed the most 10 mb + in iPhone were only like 3mb in Android, so don't worry you'll be ok
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
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You do realize that you are confusing the storage mediums, right? The 32gb of storage on your transformer is the same as the 8gb of storage on the SD card that comes with the Evo 3D. You can always install a 32gb card if you want. The Asus only has 1gb of "internal storage." in the way you are lookig at this.
You really are not going to find many phones with more internal storage unless they are sealed and have no MicroSD slot (aka iPhone).
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Isn't the 16/32GB on the transformer internal (with the ability to add up to another 32GB via microSD)? (I'm not sure, hence the question)
Dude 1GB is like a godsend for me. My OGVO had >300MB when it was bone stock, I'm very thankful for my 1GB and you should be too. But I also try not to load up my phones with bull**** I never use and usually have like 2-8 apps downloaded, max. I'd just get a bigger SD card if it bothers you that much, 32 gigs is like $40.
A lot of the 4gb is the ROM and security features. Once we can install custom ROMs we will get a couple gigs back. I don't know why I just said that. A previous poster said that. LOL I fail at forums. ;P
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Dude 1GB is like a godsend for me. My OGVO had >300MB when it was bone stock, I'm very thankful for my 1GB and you should be too. But I also try not to load up my phones with bull**** I never use and usually have like 2-8 apps downloaded, max. I'd just get a bigger SD card if it bothers you that much, 32 gigs is like $40.
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+1 on this.
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Isn't the 16/32GB on the transformer internal (with the ability to add up to another 32GB via microSD)? (I'm not sure, hence the question)
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It's internal in the sense that it is built inside the unit, but its more like a SSD setup. Another way to think about it is like the 16/32 you are talking about is a MicroSD and you can add a second MicroSD. I mean it's not, but for conceptual reasons, that is one way to understand it.
You are correct....however...this 1g is for sense...apps and memory management file and the 3vo has plenty unless you are going to load 600+ apps SD another user here does...600 hundred...my god...
I was a bit concerned at first coming from a Droid x. That thing was the king of space when it came out. I think apps to SD was just coming out then. Now almost all apps are s2d. I've got 50+ apps using 300mb on phone, a couple gigs app usage on SD. I don't think its an issue any more.
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Since the evo lte has 16gb internal and also supports SD cards, what gets stored where? I have been trying to figure this out all morning and it's driving me crazy haha. Can you store files on the internal like an sdcard? And if you had an sdcard how would you choose which storage to put stuff on?
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Since the evo lte has 16gb internal and also supports SD cards, what gets stored where? I have been trying to figure this out all morning and it's driving me crazy haha. Can you store files on the internal like an sdcard? And if you had an sdcard how would you choose which storage to put stuff on?
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As the phone has yet to be released, no one can say for sure. It will likely be along the same lines as other HTC devices, though. In a pure stock setup, internal storage is used for system files (partitions & filesystem) and downloaded/installed apps, while external is used for pictures/videos and music, as well as whatever other files you'd put on an SD card.
I really dig the idea of having 16GB internal storage. It would, for all but extreme cases, eliminate the need for a2sd/dalvik2sd and would increase the life of our sd cards (no swap, thrashing, etc.).
I know its hard to know since its not out yet but that's what I was thinking also. I just couldn't justify the need for 16gb (minus how ever much is reserved for the system/rom) for apps since I have a 512mb sd-ext that I can't even fill haha. Guess we'll see.
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I'm sure we'll be able to bend the phone to our will and figure out some way to utilize the internal storage for whatever we want. It may well be that an SD card is not needed for file storage, as well.
Both internal and external SD work like an SD. The internal will have probably 2gb for apps and 14gb for whatever, pics, vids, music, downloads etc. And you can use a file explorer to move stuff between internal and external SD. Pretty sure its not device specific but the way Android itself is designed to use the storage.
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Both internal and external SD work like an SD. The internal will have probably 2gb for apps and 14gb for whatever, pics, vids, music, downloads etc. And you can use a file explorer to move stuff between internal and external SD. Pretty sure its not device specific but the way Android itself is designed to use the storage.
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I will assume this is correct as well as my HTC Rezound has this setup. The Rezound has 2 16GB SD cards (one internal, one removable external) The internal has about 2.5gb for apps and the rest is internal phone storage while the external 16gb is available for anything else.
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I will assume this is correct as well as my HTC Rezound has this setup. The Rezound has 2 16GB SD cards (one internal, one removable external) The internal has about 2.5gb for apps and the rest is internal phone storage while the external 16gb is available for anything else.
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That's how every android device I've used with internal storage is set up, they partition off a section for apps and the rest is storage just like an SD card you can even nandroid and flash from the internal and is labeled as SDcard in the file directory while the removable is labeled as external_SD, and it is the same across all manufacturers.
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Don't forget we get another 25 gig of dropbox storage for auto backups Damn this phone is awesome
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What's the expected transfer speed for EVO LTE internal mem vs. Class 10 ext?
Cannot wait till mid May for the release of this BEAST, hands down the BEST Evo released! I was thinking about getting the Nexus instead but than it wouldnt be too much of a difference since I am coming off the Epic touch 4G. Besides I miss the built quality of HTC, yes Samsung has beautiful screens and gorgeous cameras, but I think this Evo clears those issues for me.
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What's the expected transfer speed for EVO LTE internal mem vs. Class 10 ext?
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The transfer on my et4g is 80mb/s read and 60mb/s write
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I have the HTC Jetstream tablet, which as the same set up.
Internal is used for downloads and apps.
External is used for whatever you put on it manually.
Once you open the camera app, it asks you if you want to save images on the internal or external memory. Select external because in the case of a wipe or crash, you still got your files on the external.
My external sd card contains only music, video, document, and image files.
The internal card is pretty clean and unused.
As for a phone, it'd be the same set up for me.
I wish the external SD card would be seen as \sdcard by the OS.
Not too many apps let you choose the directory of the files, so only pics and videos end up on my external card.
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Once you open the camera app, it asks you if you want to save images on the internal or external memory. Select external because in the case of a wipe or crash, you still got your files on the external.
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that makes me wonder if the external sdcard will keep up with the 1080p videos and the rapid 4 pics/sec camera...should be interesting
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that makes me wonder if the external sdcard will keep up with the 1080p videos and the rapid 4 pics/sec camera...should be interesting
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That is a very valid point. And also not an issue that was a question with the Jetstream since it does not have the same imagechip technology that the LTEVO boasts.
Hmmm...
typhoonikan said:
That is a very valid point. And also not an issue that was a question with the Jetstream since it does not have the same imagechip technology that the LTEVO boasts.
Hmmm...
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It all depends on the class of your SD card. A higher class card will have no problems. Like mine, I have a 16gig class 10 card that writes HD videos in 720p beautifully, so I imagine 1080p will be similar for me. That's actually one of the reasons I got a class so high. I noticed that my videos on my OG Incredible were choppy and not very clear on the class 2 card it came with, so I upgraded.
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It all depends on the class of your SD card. A higher class card will have no problems. Like mine, I have a 16gig class 10 card that writes HD videos in 720p beautifully, so I imagine 1080p will be similar for me. That's actually one of the reasons I got a class so high. I noticed that my videos on my OG Incredible were choppy and not very clear on the class 2 card it came with, so I upgraded.
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Hey, you're coming over from Verizon I see? That's cool - what brought you to Sprint? Just the phone?
It seems to me that (from a distance) Verizon is getting the short end of the stick on phones these days. I always used to think that they always got the best ones, and now recently I've seen their selection trending downward. Am I just imagining things or did you feel that way too?
Even their version of the "One" series they are getting stinks (small screen, less impressive overall specs). And I heard in an article that it will be $299. Are you kidding me?
16 GB internal storage, raw hardware 12.7 GB internal storage, available to user
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Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE SD card confusion
Bought phone yesterday.
Moved 32GB SD card from EVO 3D (Gingerbread) to EVO LTE (ICS).
From ICS view, have "internal storage" and "phone storage". Don't see a way to move apps to SD card (which is not "phone storage"). SD card can be mounted/unmounted, so it's visible in some sense. Some apps, such as Amazon MP3 can access music on 32 GB SD card. Other apps don't seem to know it's there.
When USB cable is plugged from Windows computer to phone, Windows Explorer cannot see "phone storage", it only sees 32 GB SD card when phone connection is designated "disk drive mode".
There is HTC connect. I installed a couple of versions, but connection establishment fails when I try to connect via USB HTC connect.
Hence I cannot get to some phone data from my computer.
I would like to be able to tell phone to put app data on 32 GB SD card, but don't see a way yet.
Anyone have any answers?
So the NA launch is soon upon us and can't wait to get the SGS3. However besides additional sdcard storage is there anything else between the different size models? Such as the internal storage?
I'm guessing it's partitions on the 16GB one is the same setup as the S2 but would getting the 32GB model give me more internal as well as sd? Or would it just be sd only and cheaper to buy an ext. sdcard?
I'm curious because with all the partitions and chopping of the sdcard down into different sections as well as the SGS3 being bigger in rom size and thus bigger nandroid backups what's best? I know it's cheaper to buy a separate card for plain storage but technically speaking would it just be easier to have a bigger card built into the phone in the first place?
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The only difference is the amount of memory. Nothing else. As far as your apps storage goes, it's as much as you have left on the phone... so if you have 10gb left... you can install 10gb apps.
Identical phone, more storage, so if you want your Apps on internal memory then go for 32gb or just the 16gb and keep Apps internal and media external if you use that much.
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Identical phone, more storage, so if you want your Apps on internal memory then go for 32gb or just the 16gb and keep Apps internal and media external if you use that much.
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I'm guessing the 16GB model has 2GBs of internal for apps etc so the 32GB has 4? Or is it the same? Can anyone confirm? This is mainly what I'm wondering
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I'm guessing the 16GB model has 2GBs of internal for apps etc so the 32GB has 4? Or is it the same? Can anyone confirm? This is mainly what I'm wondering
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11GB.. there's no set partition for apps storage.
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11GB.. there's no set partition for apps storage.
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Ah I see so samsung changed their partitions with the SGS3 over how they did it on the S2? You get 12.3 GBs left on the S2 for sdcard and a separate 2GBs for internal? So if the S3 has 11 total where is our missing space? 16 to 11?
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So if the S3 has 11 total where is our missing space? 16 to 11?
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I won't go into the details (there are enough technical description on WHY) bu you loose roughly 7-10% of storage due to the filesystem.
Let's say it was a nice round 10%; you'd have 14.54GB left on the device.
Now substract the 1GB partition of the system, 1GB partition of the cache and 400MB of the secure storage.
You're now down to 12. With the additional partitions such as recovery, the binary counter location, ... you're down to a nice round 11.
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I won't go into the details (there are enough technical description on WHY) bu you loose roughly 7-10% of storage due to the filesystem.
Let's say it was a nice round 10%; you'd have 14.54GB left on the device.
Now substract the 1GB partition of the system, 1GB partition of the cache and 400MB of the secure storage.
You're now down to 12. With the additional partitions such as recovery, the binary counter location, ... you're down to a nice round 11.
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Thanks, no worries on the tech details I know this already, I just wasn't getting any direct answer about the internal storage section, bortak came off like he only was talking about the SD card storage. Thanks for the info, glad Samsung made the switch to just having all the apps on the whole of the remaining sd card space rather then having a separate partition which I always thought was kinda dumb to begin with.
Is it possible to fool the Amaze to show the SD card as the internal storage and use it as internal storage? What about the 14GB internal SD to be in place of the 2GB internal storage and the SD card to be in place of the 14GB internal SD, so that removing the SD card doesn't impair the system.
I want 32 GB for games, not that crappy 2GB internal storage I have. There are apps that link the files to the internal storage, but I want a better solution (the one I listed above)
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Is it possible to fool the Amaze to show the SD card as the internal storage and use it as internal storage? What about the 14GB internal SD to be in place of the 2GB internal storage and the SD card to be in place of the 14GB internal SD, so that removing the SD card doesn't impair the system.
I want 32 GB for games, not that crappy 2GB internal storage I have. There are apps that link the files to the internal storage, but I want a better solution (the one I listed above)
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What you want is an apple device which has that cramped up memory which in my opinion sucks... See android have 2gb of internal storage for apps because our apps are created to be able to save most of the memory onto the SD Card... If u want 32gb of memory for games ill recommend to get an iPod touch that way u will save your phones battery... I only support ipods, iPhones are just ridiculous trying to keep up with android which is not working...
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You might as well just use apps2sd
@ted619
No wonder my sister's 16GB Iphone 4S get's slow when she put too many apps on her phone. She will be back with android soon
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What you want is an apple device which has that cramped up memory which in my opinion sucks... See android have 2gb of internal storage for apps because our apps are created to be able to save most of the memory onto the SD Card... If u want 32gb of memory for games ill recommend to get an iPod touch that way u will save your phones battery... I only support ipods, iPhones are just ridiculous trying to keep up with android which is not working...
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I don't like apple devices as iOS is a locked operating system. Its like living in a communist country. I want more space for gaming as I am a gamer. Someone modded the Note II to do that, so I was wondering for the Amaze. I have bought many games on Google Play and I, in no way, want to spend twice for the same game on the iPod, plus Apple overprice their ridiculous products (I know Samsung does so, too, but at least they give more freedom and features).
One 2 GB game like NOVA 3, Modern Combat 3, Amazing Spiderman, or Dark Knight Rises will fill it up, then you are left with insufficient space.
I have found an experimental fix as idk if removing the external sd would crash the system:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1874485
Not sure if this is what you're lookin for. But I've read THIS thread a while back. It's only for GameLoft games.
You won't be able to download it from the Play Store so you'll have to retrieve and install it manually but it still works.