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As by the title, I get a low score on CleanROM 3.7 based on ICS 4.0.3. My result is just 1700. I haven't found any benchmark result based on this rom but I know that stock should get at least 2400-2600.
Has anybody benchmarked on CleanROM?
Why does it matter? Bragging rights, or pissing contest?
Actually the score doesn't really matter but I've noticed a slowdown after flashing CleanROM.
Haven't noticed any lag at all.
Have you benchmarked quadrant? Also, the slowdown is more noticeable when scrolling menus and some heavy designed websites.
I don't know why people bother with Quadrant, it doesn't work correctly on dual-core phones anyway.
Actually don't really bother on it. But, as I said started to be doubtful of some lags compared to the stock rom and I used quadrant just to create an idea if this was really the case.
By the way. Ver 2.0 is optimized for multicore phones.
Quadrant is a terrible benchmark.
Use Antutu.
Tryied Antutu and got 3387. Checked a bit around and found that a score of 5000-6000 should be normal.
Ok, rerun antutu after restarting the phone and got around 6200. What really bothers me is that even after killing all task and running any benchmark, I notice that scores are usually noticeable lower than on a first run after restarting. And more important, the phone is slower. Seems like services are still running and using available resources.
I use Advanced Task Killer by the way.
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I use Advanced Task Killer by the way.
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Don't ever, ever, ever use task killers on anything past Froyo.
They harm the phone and do not do anything, it's all placebo that it does.
There's countless threads about it.
Delete it.
Done. Thank's for informing. Now I'm asking myself why they are still some of the most downloaded apps on the market when 90% of Android are on GB and up.
Because a friend of friend told them long ago to get it.
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Imo the only benches I care about are GPU benches. Quadrant is utter garbage, remove it and do yourself a favor. Nenamark 1 / Nenamark 2 for GPU benching is nice.
well, scrosler puts fastboot in his rom, which kills all running tasks that are not core.
Myself, I'll occasional open System panel app if the phone is acting up. Very occasionally.
On cleanrom I haven't noticed any slowdows.
Can any one post some bencharks of roms? for example Stock Samsung ICS Rom and CM9? Really want to know if roms compared to stock Samsung and CM9 make diference in speed? Please
1) Benchmarks are meaningless. The only people who think benchmarks are useful are normally the people who fap off over their benchmark scores. They're simply not any indication of real world performance of the phone.
2) Why not flash each rom & run benchmarks yourself ? Easy to do.
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1) Benchmarks are meaningless. The only people who think benchmarks are useful are normally the people who fap off over their benchmark scores. They're simply not any indication of real world performance of the phone.
2) Why not flash each rom & run benchmarks yourself ? Easy to do.
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This ^
I can easily manipulate the same ROM and Kernel to get whatever Benchmark scores I want without too much difficulty, it would also likely be impossible for anyone to tell I did it other than the fact that my scores would be unbelievably high/low.
Also, some ROMs run better than others on a ROM/kernel combo depending on their ability to handle OC/UV and GPU tweaks, not every handset can handle these things in the same way (I have 2 GT-I9100Ms, one can handle heavy UV while the other doesn't seem to be able to handle any, based on the serial numbers they were manufactured at roughly the same time, possibly the same batch) so what benchmarks well for one person may show awful results for another.
Thank you for your replies. the thing is i dont have S2 any more and waiting for S3. but curious about ROM well samsung rom should have better optimisation of drivers and so on because it's their rom well thats what i think but thats why i posted this to find out. ok so in real life what do you think witch is faster on browsing gaming and so on?
You mean between S2 and S3? Its obvious..
Bout benchmarks, always get higher quadrant on stock, and low on cm9/ aosp. But aosp runs as fast or faster in real life.
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You mean between S2 and S3? Its obvious..
Bout benchmarks, always get higher quadrant on stock, and low on cm9/ aosp. But aosp runs as fast or faster in real life.
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I agree here, Touchwiz based ROMs seem to benchmark higher, while AOSP seems smoother in real world situations, I'm sure there are people out there who have the opposite results, so you aren't likely to get a consensus on whether one is better/faster/smoother than the other.
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1) Benchmarks are meaningless. The only people who think benchmarks are useful are normally the people who fap off over their benchmark scores. They're simply not any indication of real world performance of the phone.
2) Why not flash each rom & run benchmarks yourself ? Easy to do.
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That's actually not true. Period.
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That's actually not true. Period.
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Did you write that one-handed? Question mark. (why are we writing punctuation?)
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Did you write that one-handed? Question mark. (why are we writing punctuation?)
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You do know it's to emphasise my point and it's a pretty common way to do it right?
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Yeah it is true. You bumped a two month old thread simply to say "That's actually not true. Period.", so let's hear it champ. Tell us why that's the case. Or are you just another benchmark fapper who's FOS ?
I gave up porn a long time ago to masturbate furiously over benchmarks. This has actually had numerous positive effects on both my social life and my sex life.
First, using benchmarks instead of porn allows me to tailor exactly the intensity of fapping I want at that time in a easy, quick and efficient way. No longer do I have to wade through numerous porn videos trying to find that one attractive girl or that one interesting concept to fap to - now I can simply tweak my ROM and Kernel a little bit and get a score which reflects my horniness. Say I'd been camping with my trio of male friends for a week and having to share a tent the entire time, naturally fapping in such a situation would be frowned upon. When I finally get home I would be ready for a really special fap, so maybe I'd tune the scores upto a good 9000 and really crank one out. For everyday use, I use a steady 6000 score. This allows me to really optimize the amount of time I spend fapping per day.
Secondly, exchanging porn for benchmarks has had an extremely positive effect on my Sex life. No more am I staring at Pornstar's penises amazed at their size and wishing I had a similar prowess in bed. No longer am I insecure about sex or constantly wondering whether women actually like getting slapped. Now, when I have sex, I'm thinking one thing and one thing only - a score of 12000 in Quadrant. I am 12000, I am that score, I embody that score, that score is me and it drives me to hump like a God. Indeed, I can attest to the fact that fapping over benchmarks is far better than porn. So I say go OP go, I understand your plight, don't let these meth head unemployed porn addicts ever talk you out of your love of benchmarks, stay strong OP, stay fapping.
Hahahahahaha ;-) That could be the greatest post on XDA. Ever.
I used stock indian rom which was way more scoring than galaxy nexus f1 rom.
Mostly the difference was in i/o score.
Still will show you the stock score with speedmod kernel. :thumbup:
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I have been holding on and skipping devices that were/are really appealing to me(LG Pro, Oppo, Sony Xperia Z, etc) for the Note 3.
I was going to order the Xperia Z Ultra but thankfully I convinced my self otherwise. I'm not playing many games now days nor using it heavily.
Mostly for above average media consumption, light gaming, browsing.
Also as I said I was waiting for the Note 3 since the day Note 2 was announced I decided to skip a generation.
And thankfully I decided to skip the Note 3 for the Mega. I really wanna go even bigger this time. I don't mind the mid-range performance.
And since my original Note with Asylum 4.3 now feels so incredible(it felt good with custom JB 4.1.2 too), I can only imagine the Mega will blow my mind.
I got the Note 1 at launch and I paid for it quite dearly for it back then.
And today I got my Samsung MEGA(i9200). HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! I'm really in love with this device. The size, the screen, its sound quality are just... amazing!
I can't even remotely begin to explain how I feel about it. This IS really the device that ever wanted. This device in my hand(s) feels like home...
I'm using it for a couple hours now and I can tell you I wouldn't even think about trading it for a Note 3(for free yes as I could sell the Note3 and buy another Mega )
This is really my preferred size of a phone. But I can go down to 6" too if the N4 is released next year and its 5,9-6,0". The best device so far I ever owned.
I also stated that I can go up to 6" when I got my Note in previous post of mine. So I was kinda always wanted a phone this big,
Watched a few trailers, videos clip, youtube videos, listen to many songs. I can say the experience was amazing. I haven't played any games yet tho.
This phone is big. You cannot really how humongous it's unless you light up the screen. The you can understand how huge it is. But it doesn't feel THAT bigger than my Note tbh.
I think that sums things up for me. I haven't felt this excited for a phone since 21 months ago when I got my original Note. Really, really happy owner here.
P.S: I can test/check/confirm anything you guys might want. Like bugs(like dim bug), codes, camera firmware, glitches etc etc. Just let me know. :good:
Edit: I have FM Radio btw and its fully working.
Congrats! Could you run a movie on both Note and Mega and tell us what you think. I am particularly interested in comparing the brightness, and the blacks. And colors. If you could play a high bit rate action movie 720p and compare them smoothness that would be great too. Thanks!
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Congrats! Could you run a movie on both Note and Mega and tell us what you think. I am particularly interested in comparing the brightness, and the blacks. And colors. If you could play a high bit rate action movie 720p and compare them smoothness that would be great too. Thanks!
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I always compared my previous phones(when its possible to compare them anyway) to my new ones. I always test them with 1080p trailers of excellent quality.
I will do a side by side test with both devices playing various videos(big buck bunny, Sintel, Tekken Blood Vengeance, Hobbit, Avatar, Timescapes etc etc).
But I must be honest, I consider my self a true fan of the AMOLED screens and I love them and I swear by them, so I check the display differences extensively.
I always compare them side by side in:
benchmarks( doing a reboot first and then clearing RAM and closing every possible running up)
screen quality by playing same video with MX at the exact same settings on both devices and also by displaying both the same photo/image.
Camera quality by taking the exact same picture outdoors in qood sunlight conditions and tonight I will test the low light camera quality and view them on my pc.
And obviously the side by side size comparisons. lol.
And maybe a few more...
koniakki said:
And today I got my Samsung MEGA(i9200). HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! I'm really in love with this devices. The size, the screen, its sound are just... amazing!
Edit: I have FM Radio btw and its fully working.
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I know what you mean great for media and web consumption
When you root make sure you flash audio mod to give you more sound headroom. It makes a diff
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thering1975 said:
I know what you mean great for media and web consumption
When you root make sure you flash audio mod to give you more sound headroom. It makes a diff
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You will de-virginize(is that even a word) my Mega as you did with my Note...
Update on the battery life:
Its been 7 hours since the first fully charge and 32% remaining. 5 hours screen on time so far with 4h:44m WIFI on time.
Usage was(estimated unless said otherwise):
Around 30-40 Youtube videos(in HD).
Played 10-12 1080p videos I put from the PC for around maybe 20-25 minutes all total time of play time with the MX Player.
Run Antutu 4.0.1(19907) once.
Run 3DMark twice(5474).
Browsed the web with Chrome Beta for around 12 minutes as it say in the stats even tho I feel it was longer than that.
Took around 15 photos some with around 5 being with flash
Also spent a couple of minutes totally just looking at the screen. That thing is huge!
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And today I got my Samsung MEGA(i9200). HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! I'm really in love with this device. The size, the screen, its sound quality are just... amazing!
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Agreed! Love it!
Update: Rooted today(from here) and updated with XXUAMH1(SILENTLIGHT Rom found here).
This AMH1 release feels and IS faster. I can swear the apps at least feels that open up faster.
In general the phone feels noticeably smoother.
Also my score in 3DMark went from 5147 to 5506. Antutu from 19500 to 20500.
And no, it felt faster all day long. I just run the synthetic test like 15min ago. So I didn't had that in mind to cause a placebo effect or anything.
Congrats koniakki on getting the mega and you are going to enjoy it, i ran Antutu on a stock rom yet, and phone is only rooted at this time and i got a score of 20662..imagine when some custom roms come out for this phone it could have a better score yet..enjoy your new phone.
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Congrats koniakki on getting the mega and you are going to enjoy it, i ran Antutu on a stock rom yet, and phone is only rooted at this time and i got a score of 20662..imagine when some custom roms come out for this phone it could have a better score yet..enjoy your new phone.
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Thanks for the reply starmaster and welcome to the Mega community too! My best on the Antutu 4.0.1 was around 20500! So well done! :good:
Quadrant was about 7250-7300 my best. Can't remember exactly but was about there. Bring the custom roms/kernels. Our Snappy has a lot of headroom for improvements!
Also starmaster, what I like also is when I compare that score along with the Note 2 or Xperia Z in the Rankings!
Forsure and the scores are very close to those two phones and the mega beats both of those two other phones in the 3D Graphics gaming category i see..now bring on the custom roms. :good:
Edit: I just ran Quadrant on my mega 6.3 and got a score of 8570.
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Forsure and the scores are very close to those two phones and the mega beats both of those two other phones in the 3D Graphics gaming category i see..now bring on the custom roms. :good:
Edit: I just ran Quadrant on my mega 6.3 and got a score of 8570.
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Either your CPU is a racehorse or something is off!! lol!
You got 5000 points more in the CPU score and 2000 points in the I/O score! Did you apply any kind of tweaks? I'm very interested.
No.. i have no tweaks in the phone at all, it is just rooted and that is all, maybe my model i527m is a little different in ways and in the info is says 1.7 GHz cpu and it is a Qualcomm snapdragon and the Adreno 305, maybe i got lucky and got a really good phone..but everything is stock except the rooting part.
Below is a pic of my device info.
And i just re-ran Quadrant again and got even a higher score of 8664..not sure why i am getting these good scores but i like it.
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No.. i have no tweaks in the phone at all, it is just rooted and that is all, maybe my model i527m is a little different in ways and in the info is says 1.7 GHz cpu and it is a Qualcomm snapdragon and the Adreno 305, maybe i got lucky and got a really good phone..but not everything is stock except the rooting part.
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Weird. ...because everything ive been reading about the ATT i527....
There is NO root available yet..
How did you manage to root it???
Can you post a link to the instructions for rooting the i527? ??...
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Ahhhhh I see now. ..its the "m" version. ...
Sorry about that...
Many thanks
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Weird. ...because everything ive been reading about the ATT i527....
There is NO root available yet..
How did you manage to root it???
Can you post a link to the instructions for rooting the i527? ??...
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Ahhhhh I see now. ..its the "m" version. ...
Sorry about that...
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No problem on that..and i hope they get a solution for your i527 mega so that you can root it as that is kinda a bummer that they locked the bootloader on that model for the AT&T version..sooner the better. :good:
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No.. i have no tweaks in the phone at all, it is just rooted and that is all, maybe my model i527m is a little different in ways and in the info is says 1.7 GHz cpu and it is a Qualcomm snapdragon and the Adreno 305, maybe i got lucky and got a really good phone..but everything is stock except the rooting part.
Below is a pic of my device info.
And i just re-ran Quadrant again and got even a higher score of 8664..not sure why i am getting these good scores but i like it.
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Hmm. I re-run the benchmark with all the available Governors/Schedulers combination allowed via CPU Master and I cannot pass 7300 points.
Anyone else with a i9200 Mega can run Quadrant please and post their best score please?
If other members with i9200 get the same as me, maybe we can find why starmaster10 scores are so high and find a way to get that performance too! :good:
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Hmm. I re-run the benchmark with all the available Governors/Schedulers combination allowed via CPU Master and I cannot pass 7300 points.
Anyone else with a i9200 Mega can run Quadrant please and post their best score please?
If other members with i9200 get the same as me, maybe we can find why starmaster10 scores are so high and find a way to get that performance too! :good:
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i am getting about 7200 but i don't know why he getting high score i have searched on wikipedia but i didn't find anything his device use the same cpu and gpu and same speed 1.7 and same ram maybe he can upload screenshot from cpu z app so we know more information about your device
or maybe your kernel has tweaks to boost performence or something like that
Here is a pic of my kernel version and baseband version etc, i will see if i can get more info on my device with that app or some others also. :good:
Here are some pics below from CPU Z of the SOC and System page.
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Here is a pic of my kernel version and baseband version etc, i will see if i can get more info on my device with that app or some others also. :good:
Here are some pics below from CPU Z of the SOC and System page.
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no changes the same processor i think its kernel feature or maybe your rom has better performence
I did another run with Quadrant and my score went up again to 8772...I am kinda puzzled on the scores that I am getting.
Not sure if this will make a difference for you guys/gals, do you have any anti-virus program installed as i have not installed a anti-virus program yet...and i most likely will not as i do not go to any of the dodgy sites.
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I did another run with Quadrant and my score went up again to 8772...I am kinda puzzled on the scores that I am getting.
Not sure if this will make a difference for you guys/gals, do you have any anti-virus program installed as i have not installed a anti-virus program yet...and i most likely will not as i do not go to any of the dodgy sites.
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Don't get us wrong starmaster10, we are really happy for you that you get that performance. I hope that yo can even get 9000! :good:
We are just trying to figure out how to get that too and see if a kernel/rom or simply the I527M version of the Mega is just faster or better optimized!
The differences are in the CPU and I/O which are 5000 and 2000 points faster respectively. I hope someone more knowledgeable can enlighten us, since it will benefit us all to make our devices even faster!
P.S: Starmaster10, if not much trouble, can you please post some scores from the latest Antutu from the Play Store? Thanks!
Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score. Not to mention, the Droid Ultra has a WORSE chipset than the DNA's yet it gets a significantly higher 3DMark score?..
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score.
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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Ive only ran 3DMark when I was on stock ROM, considering A8 and the A2 Benchmark weren't out then, and on the Extreme test on 3DMark I used to always hit 5.9k or below, now I get about 61xx. On other ROMs, especially the NOS M7 port, or any M7 port for that matter, I always got way worse performance through both gaming and benchmarks.
I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
Slow?
I've owned the DNA since launch (a launch model and a replacement w/ the Verizon update pre-installed). My original was rooted with S-OFF. My current is stock. I have never heard the word slow and the Droid DNA in the same sentence. I have a 2013 Nexus 7, which I believe is also a S4 Pro, and when comparing the two, my Nexus has has more non responsive moments than my phone. My DNA has been a champ for close to a year now. The only drawback is battery life, but that's not the topic of this conversation.
You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
He did mention lower framerates on Asphalt 8.
I think he's mainly concerned about gaming performance, as we now have some fairly demanding games on the market. I don't play games on my phone, so I can't really give any examples of my experience...
Otherwise, regardless of benchmark numbers, I think 2012+ phones have such advanced internals that day-to-day basic usage of the device will be fine.
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You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
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Games like Asphalt 8, I can understand having a drop to a lower framerate, however, even when playing Dead Trigger on High on my current kernel and ROM setup, when turning the camera, I experience immense framerate drops, to even like, 11 or so. I honestly don't understand why the DNA is so under performing. I do a lot of gaming on my DNA, and early benchmarks when the phone was first released revealed better scores than the Nexus 4, but now it seems like the exact opposite. I can't even keep a decent frame rate on Real Racing 3.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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You're failing to understand my point here. My main question in this thread is, if all these devices use the exact same GPU, and most of them, the exact same chipset, why do the Adreno 320s in phones like the Nexus 4, the Xperia Z, Droid Ultra, how do those outperform the GPU in the DNA by so much? Even in real world performance. In real racing 3, a nexus 4 can get like a good average 30 FPS, on my DNA, I'm lucky to see FPS Meter hit 30 once.
I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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This is the type of information I'm talking about. I don't know more about Android other than flashing zips, but I never knew that we're basically running off of a generic driver. It's literally about the same as me installing a new GPU in my desktop and running off of Microsoft's OEM display driver? If so, how much better would gaming be if the upcoming HTC One Dev Edition 4.3 update was ported to the DNA as a flashable rom? I did notice that the NOS HTC One GE rom on 4.2.2 had a lot better performance than all other 4.2.2 roms. If the HTC One Google Edition's 4.3 was ported to the DNA, it'd be running off of Qualcomm proprietary drivers? If so, I absolutely cannot wait.
Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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On 3DMark, my scores are higher than the average for any device with an Adreno 320 GPU, on all three tests Thanks dude, I absolutely cannot wait for a 4.3 update!
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resolution has alot to do with graphic performance. Using a high resolution can have a big toll on a graphic chip and thats true with any kind of computer, tablet or smartphone. the reason the Droid ultra and Nexus 4 run smoother in games because the resolution is lower. Simple as that. Dont know about the Xperia Z. 720 vs 1080p. Thats a 25% increase in resolution. It wont be appearant on most games but on high gpu powered games you will start to notice fps drops.
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My GFs been using her Z5C for over a year now, however the first phone she got had some mainboard malfunction causing it to randomly crash and reboot. The second Z5C has been working somewhat good, however it becomes very sluggish and unresponsive after some use. I know this device only has 2GB of ram and half of that is eaten away by the system. I'm just wondering if you to experience really poor performance from time to time? Jumping from Nova launcher to phone, sms app or play store can take like 5-10 seconds with a white screen while loading/RAM swapping is a pain. I already factory restored it a couple of times, and was running the Marshmallow .11 release until now, switched to CM13 which is performing just a bit better, but comparing to an old Galaxy S2 running CM13 it feels almost the same which is weird considering the S2 only has 768MB RAM.
Just interesting to hear your experiences, maybe this phone also has a faulty mainboard like the one before I was thinking. Also it gets really hot, like always, with Android system being the main hog on battery usage and this on Sonys firmware and factory restored.
I get that the small form factory comes at a price, but seriously? ?
Try this i know is for nexus 6p ive even using it on nougat stock also suggest you to use it on stock just backup ur original thermal.conf after this u will see the true potential of the z
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Try this i know is for nexus 6p ive even using it on nougat stock also suggest you to use it on stock just backup ur original thermal.conf after this u will see the true potential of the z
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Try what?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/development/cttmod-mm-t3386953
I would not mess with the thermal configuration without knowing what exactly am I doing.
You are suggesting using a configuration file from nexus to apply onto the z5c. Surely, this is not a great idea, even if it had some positive results... I'd rather see a therm.config file made specifically for the z5c.
Ooh well just trying to help out ive been using this mods from him since lg g3... As much as i know thermal.conf are universal cross SoC since n6p has same SoC as the z5 compact is been using it on my z5 compact since almost 7 month and i havent have any issues.. even now on nougat is even better i did couple benchmark and the differences are huge in quadrant benchmark register around 10000 wgit the moded file around 23000
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After you apply u will see why z5 compact still high priced u will unleash the dragon on it just remeber to back up the original file change the right permission and read the thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/development/cttmod-mm-t3386953
You could also try this one, made for z5 family. I am using v1.61 without an issue.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xp...-smartemperaturex-best-balanced-s810-t3438890
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Ooh well just trying to help out ive been using this mods from him since lg g3... As much as i know thermal.conf are universal cross SoC since n6p has same SoC as the z5 compact is been using it on my z5 compact since almost 7 month and i havent have any issues.. even now on nougat is even better i did couple benchmark and the differences are huge in quadrant benchmark register around 10000 wgit the moded file around 23000
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After you apply u will see why z5 compact still high priced u will unleash the dragon on it just remeber to back up the original file change the right permission and read the thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/development/cttmod-mm-t3386953
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I compared the thermal-engine.conf of the one from the Nexus series with our thermal-engine.conf and found out that they have very different hotplugging methods. There are also some thermal configs that are missing. If you check the one from the Nexus, you'll see that when it reaches a certain threshold, the phone will shut down. Similar to ours, but the Z5 plugs out cores faster than the Nexus one.
Anyways, I wouldn't try it. It might have no negative effect on your phone, but it's not really worth the risk. Though I have taken the time to ask various devs if this is possible. I'm curious as to whether it is indeed effective or not.
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You could also try this one, made for z5 family. I am using v1.61 without an issue.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xp...-smartemperaturex-best-balanced-s810-t3438890
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IMO, Nougat's stock thermal is actually better. I've read that Stock Nougat's thermal ignores the thermal-engine.conf to some extent. It seems that Sony has rewrote the thermal-engine.conf for android N.
Okey, so in other words it's pretty common that this phone feels sluggish not just on my GFs Z5C but also yours?
Then perhaps I should look for some other phone in same size group but with Qualcomm 600 series SoC instead and at least 3GB RAM which should give a better experience.
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Okey, so in other words it's pretty common that this phone feels sluggish not just on my GFs Z5C but also yours?
Then perhaps I should look for some other phone in same size group but with Qualcomm 600 series SoC instead and at least 3GB RAM which should give a better experience.
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For me it's damn quick and much faster than my s4mini with 1,5 gb ram andCm13 before. However i'm using the mod i posted since short after buying because it got too hot sometimes.
In your case i would try the nougat firmware, from what i read it's faster than MM with better Battery Life and like iArvee mentioned less heat.
If you look for another phone, X compact would be the stats you mentioned. However some say Z5C is still better. I cannot compare, but there is an own Thread in the general section. Phones in this size group with good specs are pretty rare lately.
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Okey, so in other words it's pretty common that this phone feels sluggish not just on my GFs Z5C but also yours?
Then perhaps I should look for some other phone in same size group but with Qualcomm 600 series SoC instead and at least 3GB RAM which should give a better experience.
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Honestly, no. The phone is not sluggish at all whatsoever. Though if you do wish to go for a new phone, then as @Gewiz mentioned, the X Compact is your best bet. That is, if you wish to stick with Sony. On paper, the Z5C is faster than the X Compact, but the 600 series does not heat up as fast as the 810. Keep in mind though, the X Compact is not Water resistant. I was going for the X Compact, but went for the Z5C instead because of the IP68.
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Okey, so in other words it's pretty common that this phone feels sluggish not just on my GFs Z5C but also yours?
Then perhaps I should look for some other phone in same size group but with Qualcomm 600 series SoC instead and at least 3GB RAM which should give a better experience.
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I suspect it's due to the limited 2GB RAM, it's not enough for what your girlfriend is using her phone for.
Similar situation with my wife, we both have a Z5C bought around the same time, mine's very fast and responsive, yet my wife's takes forever to do anything. There's a big difference in how we use our phones, mine's relatively clean, stock, rooted and I use Greenify to help.
Her phone on the other hand has all these custom girly themes, Facebook app (notorious memory hog, I don't use it), a dozen or so photo editing apps that just refuse to hibernate (according to Greenify I later installed on her non-rooted phone in an effort to help improve things) and also eats up memory like there's no tomorrow... it's like a jungle of apps and stuff all over the place. She has horrific battery life as well.
I actually offered to switch phones with her a few weeks ago, since I feel like my phone was optimized and in great condition. However, once all of her apps and customization went into effect, it instantly became noticeably slower. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At least she now has Greenify to auto hibernate those pesky apps that she absolutely refuses to delete.
Meanwhile, her original phone that I'm now using got a make over with my clean, lean and mean treatment and is running like a champ.
I'm still running Xpower 5. I tried moonwalkers rom and it seemed faster but it would also cause a boot loop after a few days. I find the phone CAN be very sluggish as well. I think it has to do with the memory as well. Sometimes I start an app (ie. Google voice or ES file manager) and it pops up instantly. Sometimes it pops up but the screen is blank and it literally sits for maybe 5 seconds before anything happens. The camera can be worse. Sometimes even opening the app drawer gives a lag. Android Auto is just always slow. I've found that if I use an app killer and clear out some memory the phone becomes more responsive. Yes, the OS should automatically do this, but it doesnt seem to do a very good job. If I'm starting an app thats not in memory, it should make no difference whether the memory is empty or the OS needs to kill something to make room. Maybe the process of clearing out space in memory has some lag.
I would switch phones in a heartbeat but I like the smaller form factor and nearly all other phones in the world are bigger.
Regarding facebook, I did this with my older phone because of how bad FB is, there is a "facebook lite" app you can get which is designed for lesser phones. It runs much better but it is more limited.
I'm waiting for a usable nougat rom to try. hopefully that will help