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I hope this is not covered someplace and i am just missing it. I have searched the forums and no one has yet answered this to my understanding. There are many posts regarding the process, but not much info on the benefits, so here goes:
Ok so I am rooted and running CleanROM 4.5 Standard. I am S-On with an unlocked bootloader. So here are my questions:
1. Given I am using the GB Patch method, is there any reason to re-lock, and flash the RUU to the latest leak version? (that is possible right?)
2. Is there any benefit to not using the GB patch method in terms of battery life, stability, radio reception etc?
3. Should I just S-Off anyway so whatever happens with the new OTA and going forward I can have all my options open?
I am happy with CleanROM 4.5 so far, but I am concerned about the future and whether running the Gingerbread firmware will work long term. Will i lose any future ICS functionality by not upgrading the firmware and using the patch method? Is there a down side to the patch method other than having to run the patch when flashing ROMS?
Everyone seems to feel differently about ICS.
Personally, the new radios in the 3.14 leak ruu simply out preform the gb radios.
I'm also getting much better battery life running on ICS firmware.
If you're already unlocked, instead of relocking, s-off your phone. Than flash the RUU, which will wipe out your recovery and give you ICS with s3.6. At that point you can either stay on the stock leak, or flash a recovery (amon ra 3.15) and flash custom roms.
I would s off...each day the ota comes closer and closer....it's doubtful it could close the s off method, but why take the chance... That's my logic anyways. Like I said its doubtful...but hey, ya never know.
Updating to ics ruu will give different radios, and if you stay on ics Rom you won't need old firmware patch.
S off makes flashing roms wayyyy easier...boot IMG install on most automatically. And you can upgrade or downgrade to whatever ruu works best for you.
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You can also just update the firmware. Superchillpill has a thread on it in the dev section.
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If you S-OFF you can upgrade then downgrade if you don't like it. Honestly it is worth the try if you have time to do the procedures.
My phone has never run better than on the newest leak and Newts xxx rls1
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Long story short… I have been very busy for the last 6 months and not been keeping up with all the changes for the CDMA EVO 3D. I am not really sure the best way to get from here to there. I am not a noob and don’t really need my hand held or a dummy’s guide (I have been messing with Android since the HTC Hero and rooted lots of phones and pads). There has been just to many new ways to root and leaked roms…etc. It would be nice to skip all the BS and get caught up with what most people are currently doing.
My current config…
H-Boot: 1.40 s-off via Revolutionary Method
Recovery: TWRP v2.1.1
Rom: ViperRom Redline v2.5 RC2
Would it be better to just RUU back to stock Gingerbread then upgrade to ICS and re-root or is better way to get to ICS with root???? I am not trying save anything on my phone. I am a big fan of wiping and super wiping multiple times before loading a new rom. Also is there any benefit to H-Boot 1.5 or higher?
If this has already be asked can you point me to the correct thread.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Shark_HTC said:
Long story short… I have been very busy for the last 6 months and not been keeping up with all the changes for the CDMA EVO 3D. I am not really sure the best way to get from here to there. I am not a noob and don’t really need my hand held or a dummy’s guide (I have been messing with Android since the HTC Hero and rooted lots of phones and pads). There has been just to many new ways to root and leaked roms…etc. It would be nice to skip all the BS and get caught up with what most people are currently doing.
My current config…
H-Boot: 1.40 s-off via Revolutionary Method
Recovery: TWRP v2.1.1
Rom: ViperRom Redline v2.5 RC2
Would it be better to just RUU back to stock Gingerbread then upgrade to ICS and re-root or is better way to get to ICS with root???? I am not trying save anything on my phone. I am a big fan of wiping and super wiping multiple times before loading a new rom. Also is there any benefit to H-Boot 1.5 or higher?
If this has already be asked can you point me to the correct thread.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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If I'm reading right, just search the development forums for an ics rom, flash it and you're good to go. NEVER TAKE OTA
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Tl;dr.
Just kidding. I'm running the latest ics rooted Roms on hboot 1.4 revolutionary s-off. I ran freeza's firmware update without the new hboot. This lets me run everything except the new kernel (which most new Roms don't use). If you insist on the new kernel, you can upgrade the hboot too, but you lose the ability to flash aosp and GB Roms.
So, in short, you just need to pick a rooted ics Rom and go. I like zr3dx, Meanrom, homebrew, or common ground.
I also recommend you change to 4ext recovery. It's really nice.
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coal686 said:
Tl;dr.
Just kidding. I'm running the latest ics rooted Roms on hboot 1.4 revolutionary s-off. I ran freeza's firmware update without the new hboot. This lets me run everything except the new kernel (which most new Roms don't use). If you insist on the new kernel, you can upgrade the hboot too, but you lose the ability to flash aosp and GB Roms.
So, in short, you just need to pick a rooted ics Rom and go. I like zr3dx, Meanrom, homebrew, or common ground.
I also recommend you change to 4ext recovery. It's really nice.
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Thanks that was exactly what I needed and I was getting tired of reading all the posts about the VM fiasco, and sticking a wire in the SD card…etc.
You are right it was “Tl;dr” but I also hate threads that go on forever because you don’t have enough info to answer the question.
Thanks again
Shark_HTC said:
Thanks that was exactly what I needed and I was getting tired of reading all the posts about the VM fiasco, and sticking a wire in the SD card…etc.
You are right it was “Tl;dr” but I also hate threads that go on forever because you don’t have enough info to answer the question.
Thanks again
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More information > less information :thumbup:
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after downgrading from ICS to GB, my free ram become low from free 380mb on ICS to 222 on GB
I'm just wondering if this will be the best method and save me from having to fastboot flash kernels to use newest roms based on 2.13 I'm currently hboot1.15 with 1.22 firmware.
Thanks in advance. Ps not a noob so not afraid to "go deep" with my phone
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Some people are holding out for a possible s-off, this will allow for firmware updates and the like while maintaining full write access to NAND. If this isn't a concern you can go ahead and update. The newest base doesn't really add much that isn't already in custom roms, it does cause some instability with a few roms that haven't updated their base. HBOOT 1.15+ requires you to fastboot kernel regardless. Some people have reported worse performance after OTA
Ok cool. So no big benifit of updating? I'm thinking of running latest Mean but honestly never fastboot flashed kernels b4. This is the first device I've got locked into a wack hboot that doesn't allow s-off.
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You should read my guide, it has a lot of really helpful info. It will help answer a lot of questions and get you going faster. But in response to your question, you can run any rom/kernel provided its the same base. You can not however, flash firmware updates to your device without taking OTA
om4 said:
You should read my guide, it has a lot of really helpful info. It will help answer a lot of questions and get you going faster. But in response to your question, you can run any rom/kernel provided its the same base. You can not however, flash firmware updates to your device without taking OTA
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Great guide, reading now thx
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Thankyou, I've been pushing it harder then a politician with an agenda
I would highly recommend spending 0.99 to purchase Flash Image Gui. It makes it really easy for S-On to flash the kernel form the ROM zip, and then reboot to recovery and flash the full ROM. And no PC required to use the fastboot/ADB method.
You should take the update, those that don't will have problems, the new OTA includes a major upgrade to the radios. Those that have not taken the update and just use the new kernel with the new base software are having all kinds of problems with wifi, bluetooth, and holding their lte connections. All of these items were fixed in the new radio.
Now, the s-off argument, it is a fantasy! If you didn't s-off with the original bootloader 1.12 than you might as well upgrade to the full firmware of the new ota. You maybe waiting so long for a 1.15 s-off solution that your phone will have already been replaced with the next great phone that is released. Why handicap your phone with old firmware and radios when if you take the update now, you can still unlock your bootloader, flash twrp, and enjoy any of the custom rooted roms that are rocking the new base. Sense 4.1 and ICS 4.04 are worth the upgrade.
cruise350 said:
You should take the update, those that don't will have problems, the new OTA includes a major upgrade to the radios. Those that have not taken the update and just use the new kernel with the new base software are having all kinds of problems with wifi, bluetooth, and holding their lte connections. All of these items were fixed in the new radio.
Now, the s-off argument, it is a fantasy! If you didn't s-off with the original bootloader 1.12 than you might as well upgrade to the full firmware of the new ota. You maybe waiting so long for a 1.15 s-off solution that your phone will have already been replaced with the next great phone that is released. Why handicap your phone with old firmware and radios when if you take the update now, you can still unlock your bootloader, flash twrp, and enjoy any of the custom rooted roms that are rocking the new base. Sense 4.1 and ICS 4.04 are worth the upgrade.
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You may or may not be right about the 1.15 s-off being a pipe dream, but I for one am having ZERO issues with the old firmware and the newest MeanROM. Wifi works fine, bluetooth works fine. No LTE here yet, so I don't know if that will be an issue. Until I see a problem that requires new firmware or a new radio, I'm sitting tight and keeping my fingers crossed.
Hey it may be a dream and a solution may not be found until the next latest and greatest but on custom firmware I can keep my fairly beastly phone running just as good if not better then a stock latest and greatest 2 years from now. I have no problems with 1.15 and there's no lte here yet. My WiFi works wonderfully and kushdeck is killing it with CM10. I'd just as soon wait
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You should take the update, those that don't will have problems, the new OTA includes a major upgrade to the radios. Those that have not taken the update and just use the new kernel with the new base software are having all kinds of problems with wifi, bluetooth, and holding their lte connections. All of these items were fixed in the new radio.
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I can say from my personal experience that this comment is absolutely false. I am sure that the new radios in the latest firmware are an improvement. However, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I am HBOOT 1.15, S-On, running MeanROM 3.9 with latest kernel flashed via Flash Image Gui. I live and work in a well covered LTE area. I am having none of the problems that you mention. LTE speeds of ~25Mb down, 18 Mb up. Wifi is working great at home, work, or the coffee shop. Bluetooth sounds just a clear as it always has.
So, it is very functional as-is. I am sure there may be improvements in the latest firmware, but to say you absolutely will have problems is just a lie. My LTEvo is running smooth like butter and fast as a rocket.
Not to mention the fact that some ROMs are on the old base and have issues with the new base, there was quite a few threads here and in other forums about people wanting to jump back to an older base
Well, if you want to keep running old firmware, that's your option. Thankfully I am s-off and rocking MeanRom 3.9 with the latest firmware and very happy. The op asked a question and got a lot of one sided answers from the "wait for s-off crowd" and I wanted to chime in. I have seen a lot of posts in the MeanRom thread and others that they have wifi and bluetooth problems and the common denominator is running the old firmware with the new kernel and base. Also seen hundreds of posts by people in LTE fringe areas unable to hold their LTE without it constantly switching back to 3g which is one of the fixes with the new radios. And to the old base custom roms not working well with the new firmware that is false, the new radios work fine with those old out of date custom roms. Step into the future and enjoy a fast trouble free phone.
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All true but I have seen plenty of people brick trying to jump back to earlier firmware
Thanks for all the comments. Currently I am rooted using HTC dev method. I have newest twrp recovery by using goo manager to overwrite the old twrp version that I had after using an older manual method to root.
I am running MeanRom 3.9 now. Found flash IMG app on play store pretty quick and its easy to use. Basically my phone is almost back to fully customized. I asked the question right when I got my replacement yesterday. Although I would like the benifits of the update, I'm kinda with the if it ain't broke don't fix it crowd. I'm not a fan of using adb to root but it def wasn't difficult at all. I'm just worried now that at this point to go back, ruu, update and such could be more harm then good at this point. Am I right?
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There's really not much harm, the biggest problem updating had been ROM compatibility and most developers are on the new base or are currently in the middle moving over. Those of us sticking with 1.15 are hopelessly awaiting an soff exploit that nay or may not come
Glad to see you're on MeanRom. Mikey is a great dev and fast with the updates. Since he is currently updating all of his tweaks to the new base, expect an update almost every day. The great thing about MeanRom is you don't have to wipe data between installs. And since you're already on the new kernel, when you update you won't have to flash it again, just the rom. Mikey now uses the ota updater app so you can use it to download the new rom each time and perform the install.
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It appears that HBOOT 1.15 will not get s-off any time soon...Is it O.K. to upgrade to HBOOT 1.19 and wait then for s-off capabilities, or is 1.19 taboo also.
I am rooted, can I stall HBOOT 1.19 with abd, or would I have to root the phone again, and install a recovery...
There are 2 ways, ruu or revert to stock for ota. You must relock bootloader before ruu or ota. For the ota you need stock recovery as well. There's a few misconceptions floating around. First is that you need to update to run the latest base, this is simply not true, I'm running mikeys latest without issue. The second is basically the same but involving the aroma installer, flashes fine but sometimes kernel will not flash and you boot to bootloader. This does not mean you need to update only that the kernel did not like the new base, fastboot kernel and you'll be fine. Some people still have WiFi issues and others have LTE issues, both should have been addressed in the last 2 updates and people with the latest firmware are still having problems. To me this does not warrant relocking upgrading and going through the unlock again.
A lot of people including myself don't consider 1.19 an upgrade and like om said you don't nerf to update
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Always best waiting
In my experiences, it is almost ALWAYS best to wait. If for some reason 1.19 gets s-off before 1.15 then u can update. But for now, just wait. I got lucky and I'm 1.12 s-off either way warranty is gone so always get s-off whenever possible.
I keep seeing threads about s-off. I'll like people to be more specific as to what they're trying to achieve that they can't while being s-on?
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Just the ability to directly flash software to partitions normally inaccessible, Firmware basically. Those of us s-on would have to flash back to stock, lock hboot, and accept an ota or relock and run the ruu
Also, don't know the details of any of it, but in the s-off bounty thread guy is donating a 1.15 hboot. U can flip a coin better than I can say what they will do with it then. Either update it to 1.19 or try and find the exploit on 1.15.
Personally, if I was a badass at finding exploits in HTC coding then I'd crack both like yesterday. But if I was that badass I'd have better stuff to do as well... Hoping for 1.19 s-off just for future development.
Anthonicia said:
Also, don't know the details of any of it, but in the s-off bounty thread guy is donating a 1.15 hboot. U can flip a coin better than I can say what they will do with it then. Either update it to 1.19 or try and find the exploit on 1.15.
Personally, if I was a badass at finding exploits in HTC coding then I'd crack both like yesterday. But if I was that badass I'd have better stuff to do as well... Hoping for 1.19 s-off just for future development.
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there is a guy in the s-off thread saying he will give up his phone and i saw fuses sent him a PM reply about it hang in there guys
om4 said:
There are 2 ways, ruu or revert to stock for ota. You must relock bootloader before ruu or ota. For the ota you need stock recovery as well. There's a few misconceptions floating around. First is that you need to update to run the latest base, this is simply not true, I'm running mikeys latest without issue.
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Quick question: Are you saying that if I wanted to run Mean ROM that I do not need to be in the latest OTA? I'm confused because I was under the understanding that we needed to be on 2.13. Please clarify for me.
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No you don't, I ran meanrom a few days ago and today I switched to viper 2.02. Meanroms kernel installer worked fine, viper required fastboot but both run fine
Thanks for the quick response. Wow, I feel like a dumb *ss now. I've been holding out trying any new roms because I didn't want to come off of hboot 1.15.
Which rom do you like better so far between viper and mikey's?
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The level of customization on viper is crazy, meanrom runs great with evilz kernel and is closer to stock. I'm still sifting through the different mods for viper and I've yet to check out any themes but so far but I'm still digging through it all
I've had difficulty running/installing non-Sense ROMs since I've been rooted. I'm not even sure what I did special to get Paranoid Android (2.99 I think was the version) installed and running once. I can install the Viper ROM and MeanBean without issue (am running MeanBean now) but have had an incredibly difficult time installing a CM, AOSP, or AKOP variant. I just get endless boot loops and have no idea what to do remedy the situation. I've attempted to install De-Sensed rEVOLTEd (which is themed sense, right, so I'm not sure why it won't install), CM 10.1, rootbox, among several others to no avail.
So I always just go back to installing MeanBean and suffering through Sense. HELP!
I can't figure out what my problem is. Throwing ROMs on my Nexus S 4G was infinitely easier... and I'm not sure where to start when it comes to flashing, what I need to flash, etc.
I'm not a TOTAL noob. I've done quite a bit of reading all over these forums but just can't wrap my head around what I need to do or why I'm finding it impossible to install something nonSENSE.
Hardware version 0003
Software version MeanBean_3.04
Kernel 3.4.10-g19136fe
Baseband 1.12.11.0809
Build 3.16.651.3
Should I try to move to S-OFF? Would that be the best route to go right now? Am I too far gone and should I just be happy I have a functioning phone right now? Any and all help is appreciated!
Thanks!
What Hboot are you on? Unless you're on Hboot 1.12 you have to flash the kernel separately from the ROM. MeanBean and Viper both have S-on kernel installers to make flashing a ROM while S-on easier. S-off is the way to go though.
The advice is free....the bandwidth, not so much
trippworthy said:
I've had difficulty running/installing non-Sense ROMs since I've been rooted. I'm not even sure what I did special to get Paranoid Android (2.99 I think was the version) installed and running once. I can install the Viper ROM and MeanBean without issue (am running MeanBean now) but have had an incredibly difficult time installing a CM, AOSP, or AKOP variant. I just get endless boot loops and have no idea what to do remedy the situation. I've attempted to install De-Sensed rEVOLTEd (which is themed sense, right, so I'm not sure why it won't install), CM 10.1, rootbox, among several others to no avail.
So I always just go back to installing MeanBean and suffering through Sense. HELP!
I can't figure out what my problem is. Throwing ROMs on my Nexus S 4G was infinitely easier... and I'm not sure where to start when it comes to flashing, what I need to flash, etc.
I'm not a TOTAL noob. I've done quite a bit of reading all over these forums but just can't wrap my head around what I need to do or why I'm finding it impossible to install something nonSENSE.
Hardware version 0003
Software version MeanBean_3.04
Kernel 3.4.10-g19136fe
Baseband 1.12.11.0809
Build 3.16.651.3
Should I try to move to S-OFF? Would that be the best route to go right now? Am I too far gone and should I just be happy I have a functioning phone right now? Any and all help is appreciated!
Thanks!
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s-off is the way to go.. makes thing much easier!! :good:
FinZ28 said:
What Hboot are you on? Unless you're on Hboot 1.12 you have to flash the kernel separately from the ROM. MeanBean and Viper both have S-on kernel installers to make flashing a ROM while S-on easier. S-off is the way to go though.
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HBOOT-1.19.0000
So, say I wanted to install RootBox or CM10.1, I'd have to install a kernel like Komodo first?
ie flash ROM, kernel, Gapps? (I know something like this has been asked before, and I swear I've tried just about every configuration I can think of and still haven't had much luck)
evo401 said:
s-off is the way to go.. makes thing much easier!! :good:
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Looks like I'm going to be moving to S-OFF then soon... Keeping S-ON at first glance always appeared easier to me.
Check out don't panic if you haven't already. It's a bit out of date but the over all it can apply to most modern htc devices