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Just saw this site:
http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/...4-01-10-Zpad-DOCK-G-tablet-Dock-HDMI-LAN.html
They said about 15days to U.S
In my experience: 10days or so.
update(01/11(beijing time)) The price drop have been over.. maybe they will have the next point..
XDA marketplace..The thread of
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883086
I usually ignore websites that advertise by yelling with three exclamation points. (!!!)
I'm not saying it's fake, it just bothers me.
I see.. I think so..
Please, one question: do you know if this dock is compatible with Advent Vega? Thanks!
I don't know if it is suitable
espariz said:
Please, one question: do you know if this dock is compatible with Advent Vega? Thanks!
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I dont know if it is compatible with Advent Vega. But the Advent Vega and Zpad looks Very similar.I think that might be malata OEM products.
You can find a guy who has the DOCK from UK. ask them this thing.
Says they cannot process commercial or business credit... I'm only trying to use a debit card. Odd. Maybe its automatically trying to run as credit because its a MasterCard as well? Bah.. oh well.
Why not paypal?
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Says they cannot process commercial or business credit... I'm only trying to use a debit card. Odd. Maybe its automatically trying to run as credit because its a MasterCard as well? Bah.. oh well.
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Ah, sorry to hear that. Why not pay it with paypal?
As far as I know, you can use the credit card (VISA or MasterCard) and paypal.
I do not know more
Just ordered one. Paid via PayPal. Thanks for the tipoff!
No body like this pirce???
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Ah, sorry to hear that. Why not pay it with paypal?
As far as I know, you can use the credit card (VISA or MasterCard) and paypal.
I do not know more
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That's true... I could use PayPal and have PayPal process from my card instead.. I stopped using PayPal because it wouldbtake forever to transfer money from my bank, but I forgot they gave that option now, which seems to work well. I'm going to order this weekend now.. lol thanks.
Edit: any comments on viewing angle and how steady the gtab is in this dock? I was thinking I might be able to throw some Velcro on the bottom of this thing and the dash of my car and use it as a car mount as well if it wasn't too obstructive to view. I always use it for music. Anything is safer than trying to quickly reach for my passenger seat at red lights. Lol
Based on my recent experience shopping with aliexpress.com, AKA AliBaba, i would recommend anyone to be very/very careful placing an order with them.
I placed my order on 12/11/10, paid by paypal and i am still waiting for item to arrive; the company has so far sent me three emails automatically extending the delivery date and i just asked for a refund; they extended the delivery date again.
What is strange is that the company uses what looks like the standard official paypal login screen; The money was taken out of my bank account with a paypal referral # and yet my account with paypal does not show such charge, so i am pretty sure i've been scammed of my money.
I just contacted paypal about this transaction and they must be investigating this merchant.
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Based on my recent experience shopping with aliexpress.com, AKA AliBaba, i would recommend anyone to be very/very careful placing an order with them.
I placed my order on 12/11/10, paid by paypal and i am still waiting for item to arrive; the company has so far sent me three emails automatically extending the delivery date and i just asked for a refund; they extended the delivery date again.
What is strange is that the company uses what looks like the standard official paypal login screen; The money was taken out of my bank account with a paypal referral # and yet my account with paypal does not show such charge, so i am pretty sure i've been scammed of my money.
I just contacted paypal about this transaction and they must be investigating this merchant.
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There are many fraud companies. But I think all this will end soon. Because it2steve will give us surprises. You will get the desired product from him . And fast.
as long as you use aliexpress your money is pretty much safe!its when you deal with the manufacturer directly on alibaba.com u have to worry!! on ali express you dont release payment til you receive the item and verify it with aliexpress! and there is a feedback system like ebay on aliexpress im not saying its impossible to get scammed but alot harder!!! check it out remember alibaba you deal with the companies directly ali express your order goes through them and is like paypal in a way! your money doesnt get released til you verify you recived your order and its not damaged and works correctly!! if not you can open a dispute and get a refund or a discount!!
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as long as you use aliexpress your money is pretty much safe!its when you deal with the manufacturer directly on alibaba.com u have to worry!! on ali express you dont release payment til you receive the item and verify it with aliexpress! and there is a feedback system like ebay on aliexpress im not saying its impossible to get scammed but alot harder!!! check it out remember alibaba you deal with the companies directly ali express your order goes through them and is like paypal in a way! your money doesnt get released til you verify you recived your order and its not damaged and works correctly!! if not you can open a dispute and get a refund or a discount!!
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I too believe this to be true. In my (very few) dealings with with aliexpress its was very structured as far as if/when/how I received my product. The vendors there rely heavily on a feedback system much as ebay does.
I think the part that we all hate it the thought of waiting 21 days for our toys. I'm the same way which is why I paid 2 1/2 times what most are paying for my first dock. I wanted it and wanted it now.
The idea is to open a good line of communication with someone where the product is that is trustworthy, delivers, and sticks to it. I am personally working on getting some stock here (as well as APX_)for us but prefer not to speak about it until it's in my hand. That's just easier all the way around.
Ok guys, i'll ammend my post.
I was just contacted by Paypal who informed me that the transaction is listed with them as well as a referral number which, tried as i did, i could not find originally in my Paypal account, so i'll give the merchant the benefit of the doubt.
I understand the item is being shipped from China for a minimum shipping fee, but must this merchant start sending customers emails within one week of purchase with links to contest it ? So far i've received at least five such emails, which is unnerving...
Ordered mine, its easily the best deal I could find out there for the dock. Thanks for the heads-up on the price drop.
In my opinion, the aliexpress pay system seems to besecure so far, giving the seller a set time to ship the product of 3 days. Of course it sucks having to wait around 15 days for the item to arrive here from China.
UPDATE: 10 JAN 2011 10:27 PM PST - Just received the tracking number and the claim that the item has shipped. Doesn't look like a scam, but I'll feel better once the dock's in my hands.
I have a few extra docks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865038
keeping you guys updated!
No body want to get it directly from your place quickly but like to waiting a long time from far away? I don't think so...
So I ordered mine on the 10th, and received 2 tracking numbers, but none of them work. Has anyone else ordered from this and did they receive the products they ordered?
Its just been 2 weeks and I am getting nervous, I can at least count on paypal or alibaba to get me my money back if this was a scam I hope.
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So I ordered mine on the 10th, and received 2 tracking numbers, but none of them work. Has anyone else ordered from this and did they receive the products they ordered?
Its just been 2 weeks and I am getting nervous, I can at least count on paypal or alibaba to get me my money back if this was a scam I hope.
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This wasnt a dock ordered from me was it???
...sent from my ' un-stock' vibrant
Hi guys, I though it would be a good idea to start a threat just for everyone who placed an order through Play.com UK and paid full price.
We can use this thread to keep everyone updated on the progress of their ordered, and any updates etc; whether they are able to get it at the discounted price, full refund, partial refund etc.
I ordered a 16GB this morning at 8:30am, and order was confimed at 2:44pm and sent to packing for delivery.
Price - £349
ordered at about 5am this morning
order confirmed at 05:57
packed at about 4pm this afternoon
16GB @ £349
Mailed them asking to cancel and advised I will source elsewhere for a much cheaper price... (I imagine its too late though)
Looks like Play.com are out of stock now. I can't find the HP touchpad 16/32gb anywhere on their site. It was there a few hours ago.
I'm also waiting on a Touchpad from play.com which I bought at full price earlier today.
My gut instinct having dealt with Play earlier on similiar issues is that we'll all be returning our TP's for a full refund
Still I'm going to remain optimistic..
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ordered at about 5am this morning
order confirmed at 05:57
packed at about 4pm this afternoon
16GB @ £349
Mailed them asking to cancel and advised I will source elsewhere for a much cheaper price... (I imagine its too late though)
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I'd recommend not cancelling your order just yet.
you'll be in a better position to negotiate with them once you have the product.
If you cancel before they despatch it, they won't lose anything, they'll just send it to someone else who was able to place an order.
Once you've got it, hopefully we'll be in a better position a few days after all this commotion, and they may be willing to refund the difference.
otherwise they have to go through the hassle or receiving product back, and then arranging to sell it on - probably at the reduced price.
I'm going to wait to see if mine actually comes through, then assess the situation then.
If they don't openly offer the refund, I'll put a complaint to them, and to the FSA.
their returns policy gives you 7 days to request the return or raise an issue - this is different to 7 days to actually return the item to them.
The complaint etc could last as long as you want, as long as you raise the issue within 7 days.
we should have a strong argument if we refer them to the fact they were aware on Monday that the supplier had significantly reduced the price, and that a large number of supplier not just in UK, but all across the world had reduced their prices to fall in line, and they are being unfair against the consumer by acting this way.
We could also quote things we can get - regarding their comments on Monday evening that they were aware of the price discount and were working on it, yet they chose to do nothing.
Ordered as mine was in my cart, however at time of checkout it stated not in stock.
I doubt I'll get it. however I'm also one of the wait and see's
There may be hope for us yet.
In the US - HP have agreed to refund customers the difference of all ordered purchased within 60 days of the price change.
HP are also 'leaning' on companies to offer the price match themselves.
So if Play.com don't crumble under the pressure over the next few days - maybe there is hope from HP directly.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-ne...efund-price-differences-for-early-buyers/3857
HP apparantly informed retailers on Monday that the prices will be reduced, and requested that all retailers offer to refund the difference in the sale price.
HP also advise that it can take a few days for all retailers to act on this.
called play.com in the end and they said it was too late to stop dispatch anyway (wanted to save myself a couple of £ in postage to be honest) - they have sent me my return code and marked it as potential return
so i still have to wait for it anyway...
but the chap I spoke to I did would they not do a price comparison, or are they even considering lowering the price but he said nope. Full refund or keep at full price basically.
@danlat1415 - do you have any of that information or anyway to process that with HP as I'll consider keeping it if thats the case! I wonder if we can ping an e-mail to HP pronto to try and get some clarification from them that we can apply for refunds if the retailer won't honour it...
If I was HP and I'd told everyone to cut the price on Monday, and found out retailers were basically ignoring them (probably to pocket the profits) I'd be a bit peeved -
out of this experience, I'll definitely not be considering Play.com for anything further apart from as a last resort...
sounds like @Analogue Dude has had a similar experience before... that's the feeling I am getting now too.
I'm looking into what HP are doing for UK customers and I'll keep you updated.
It's still very early, and once order are sent out and customers start complaining in large numbers - they may change their mind.
Also depends on what action HP take over the next few days.
Play.com don't want to get bad publicity, and if all other retailers are honouring the price change, it'll be bad for Play.com to try and profit from the limited stock they have - compare to the bad publicity they'll get.
I've been hunting around the net, and this isn't the only forum complaining about Play.com's decision, so strength in numbers...
I guess the only real outside chance of getting a partial refund is if every customer who bought a TP from them returns it this week. Hopefully the logistical nightmare/expense of checking every return will push Play into offering the refunds.
As I said earlier I doubt it happens though, Play are a horrible company to do business with, I haven't used them for years and if it wasn't for this deal I wouldn't have touched them with a foot long stylus.
I'd recommend anyone who has ordered from Play.com to complete the form on the attached link for the BBC Watchdog program.
we may not get anywhere with it, but it's best to put as much pressure as we can on Play.com to honour the discounted price.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/gotastory/
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I guess the only real outside chance of getting a partial refund is if every customer who bought a TP from them returns it this week. Hopefully the logistical nightmare/expense of checking every return will push Play into offering the refunds.
As I said earlier I doubt it happens though, Play are a horrible company to do business with, I haven't used them for years and if it wasn't for this deal I wouldn't have touched them with a foot long stylus.
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Really hope so or HP kick their ass (which I doubt will happen)
I got the impression of a very non-caring company when I called them up - to be honest, I had a good impression of them before - but only used them a handful of times... I guess its because I never had to _deal_ with them properly before and just did an order which came and had no issues...
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I'd recommend anyone who has ordered from Play.com to complete the form on the attached link for the BBC Watchdog program.
we may not get anywhere with it, but it's best to put as much pressure as we can on Play.com to honour the discounted price.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/gotastory/
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done that - not sure how much help it will give though...
i also wonder though is it worth putting in a 'request to return' with play for everyone's who order has dispatched ? its too late to cancel, but if they have a _lot_ of requests to return and the main reason being the stupid prices... ?
Don't suppose there is a HP email addy to send concerns to? Wonder if they can confirm or deny possible refunds...
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As far as I know, Argos and Play.com were the only two retailers that hadn't yet offered the lower price (whether it be for a limited time, like Amazon)
But Argos has this morning now caved in and reduced their prices to £89 and £115.
This will hopefully help in the fight against Play.com
they are now the only hightreet retailer trying to greatly profit from this sale.
I'm waiting for an update from HP and I'll let you know. Waiting to hear back from their press office.
So far they have only confirmed that they'll refund direct customers, and credit the retailers.
Just waiting to find out if their credit customers of retailers who are refusing to refund the difference.
(if the retailer are being credited by HP, then they are severely taking advantage of the customer.)
As more developments happen each day, hopefully by the time the Touchpads arrive it'll all either be sorted or a lot clearer.
had an email from play.com this morning saying they would not refund the difference and only option was to keep or send it back for a full refund.... will post the email in a few
was looking for an e-mail form for hp too to submit my disappointment with play
Thank you for your reply.
We regret to inform you that we are not able to process a partial refund should there be a change of price for HP TouchPad 16GB webOS 3.0 WiFi 9.7 inch Tablet PC but we are more than willing accept the item back upon receipt for full refund.
We have two options to process a refund for this order.
First is to allow 15 banking days delivery time frame to take effect so we can provide a Not Received Claim Form and the second is to return the item upon receipt. The latter option will require a Returns Authorisation code which we will be happy to provide as soon as you contact us.
You also have the option to print a pre-payed label on-line. In order for you to return an order, please follow the step by step procedure which can be found on the link below:
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This will prompt you to sign in on your PLAY.com account and choose the order you need to return.
We hope that this information is of some help to you. Please accept our sincere apologies for the inconvenience this matter has caused you and thank you for your patience and valued custom.
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I just logged into my Play account and my order is now showing as cancelled with today's date beside it.
Card payment had gone through so I wonder what they're playing at
I'd suggest that we go protest outside Play HQ but I don't fancy going to jail for a touchpad (maybe an ipad....)
Brad from HP support said to contact UK HP support on 020 7660 0950
not really very helpful so far... i will check my play.com order - but i got an email saying it was dispatched
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Brad from HP support said to contact UK HP support on 020 7660 0950
not really very helpful so far... i will check my play.com order - but i got an email saying it was dispatched
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Thank for the update.
I too have got an email this morning confirming my order has been despatched via DHL and I've got a tracking number.
expect it to take upto 5 working days to be delivered, then I have 7 days for receipt to inform them if I wish to return for full refund.
That's approx 8-13 days to get this resolved and to put pressure on Play.com
it means no Christmas gift for me. Now seriously I just got a "friendly" email from Best buy explaining me my order has been backordered, I'm cancelling right now(a $650 order with dock), 2-3 more weeks waiting is totally unacceptable, I pre-ordered mine on November 23th, by the time tf201 is out, it will be only 2 weeks away from ipad 3 release, and there won't be any guarantees asus will deliver on time, it may be another delay. I will better wait for apple 3(already have an ipad 2 and tf101), so long asus.
Thanks, the more pre-orders that cancelled, the sooner I get mine!
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it means no Christmas gift for me. Now seriously I just got a "friendly" email from Best buy explaining me my order has been backordered, I'm cancelling right now(a $650 order with dock), 2-3 more weeks waiting is totally unacceptable, I pre-ordered mine on November 23th, by the time tf201 is out, it will be only 2 weeks away from ipad 3 release, and there won't be any guarantees asus will deliver on time, it may be another delay. I will better wait for apple 3(already have an ipad 2 and tf101), so long asus.
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iPad 3 isn't coming out in late January.
i got the same email
I am in the same boat. This was the sole gift for my 7 year old Autistic son.
I can understand the supply issues with a preorder product. However, I was in contact with Best Buy every day and, although each rep had a different story, all we ensuring me that I would get this by Christmas and that there were no problems with the order getting filled. Then, of course, they backorder the thing on the VERY LAST FULL SHOPPING DAY OF THE YEAR. Now most places are bare, will not be getting more shipments and a very unlikelihood of being able to order anything online for the holiday. To butter it up, Besy Buy reps have not made any offer to make good on this screw up. At least Gamestop and Amazon gave out credits.
I am going to be calling to make a huge stink today. I am not cancelling until I have the product from somewhere else, but I am going to spread the same holiday cheer they have with me.
By the way, feel free to contact the corporate offices and the CEO to send your holiday wishes as well:
Best Buy Corporate: (612) 291-1000
[email protected] (CEO)
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iPad 3 isn't coming out in late January.
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UmbraeSoulsbane said:
I am in the same boat. This was the sole gift for my 7 year old Autistic son.
I can understand the supply issues with a preorder product. However, I was in contact with Best Buy every day and, although each rep had a different story, all we ensuring me that I would get this by Christmas and that there were no problems with the order getting filled. Then, of course, they backorder the thing on the VERY LAST FULL SHOPPING DAY OF THE YEAR. Now most places are bare, will not be getting more shipments and a very unlikelihood of being able to order anything online for the holiday. To butter it up, Besy Buy reps have not made any offer to make good on this screw up. At least Gamestop and Amazon gave out credits.
I am going to be calling to make a huge stink today. I am not cancelling until I have the product from somewhere else, but I am going to spread the same holiday cheer they have with me.
By the way, feel free to contact the corporate offices and the CEO to send your holiday wishes as well:
Best Buy Corporate: (612) 291-1000
[email protected] (CEO)
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Have you ever once considered that it is asus who is giving you the shaft? Seriously, they've pushed back the release date over and over and still have never given a solid date that it will be released. I'm sure BB wants to make money, they are not delaying orders just to piss people off here.
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Have you ever once considered that it is asus who is giving you the shaft? Seriously, they've pushed back the release date over and over and still have never given a solid date that it will be released. I'm sure BB wants to make money, they are not delaying orders just to piss people off here.
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Has anyone considered that no one is giving anyone the shaft, that crap sometimes happens that corporations cannot foresee? I think asus cannot keep up with the demand, and Best Buy probably had way to many people order. Granted the communication has been horrible, from every company dealing with this. I am in the same boat as you guys, waiting for it, but I do not believe that anyone set out to do this.
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Have you ever once considered that it is asus who is giving you the shaft? Seriously, they've pushed back the release date over and over and still have never given a solid date that it will be released. I'm sure BB wants to make money, they are not delaying orders just to piss people off here.
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It's more that they should've informed their customers that Asus is being stupid. Of course they said the 18th was just an ETA, but I was told countless times that there is no reason to believe it won't be shipping on that date. I had one guy tell me it had shipped to UPS and should get a shipping confirmation soon. All of that is unacceptable.
Remember the last 2 ipads re announced in Feb and did not ship until April. I would guess this one will be no different. Good luck getting one in February.
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Have you ever once considered that it is asus who is giving you the shaft? Seriously, they've pushed back the release date over and over and still have never given a solid date that it will be released. I'm sure BB wants to make money, they are not delaying orders just to piss people off here.
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Best Buy is responsible for fulling orders. If they did not have stock then they should not have been taking pre-orders. Other vendors did this, so Best Buy should be able to do it too. There's other things like maybe letting people know sooner their order would not be fulfilled.
I expect a retailer to be able to count.
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Best Buy is responsible for fulling orders. If they did not have stock then they should not have been taking pre-orders. Other vendors did this, so Best Buy should be able to do it too. There's other things like maybe letting people know sooner their order would not be fulfilled.
I expect a retailer to be able to count.
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I agree. Best Buy is the one that changed the dock's shipping date from 12/31 to 12/19. They could have send an email in advance about the delay issue. Now I won't have a Christmas present due to this "Primegate" fiasco.
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I agree. Best Buy is the one that changed the dock's shipping date from 12/31 to 12/19. They could have send an email in advance about the delay issue. Now I won't have a Christmas present due to this "Primegate" issue.
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stolen. she's mine now.
calin75 said:
I agree. Best Buy is the one that changed the dock's shipping date from 12/31 to 12/19. They could have send an email in advance about the delay issue. Now I won't have a Christmas present due to this "Primegate" issue.
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They did the same with the delayed release of the Thunderbolt. They are incompetent. I was giving them a second chance but now I am fed up with them. I canceled and ordered with Amazon again. I save Tax and shipping that way. When I have to wait until the new year then I want at least the best deal.
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I think asus cannot keep up with the demand
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Asus' CEO publically said "November" for release. Then Asus said "12/9." Then Asus said "12/19." Then Asus said "the week of 12/19." They'll make their last commitment but by sending far fewer units to far fewer resllers then they originally planned. The Galaxy Nexus was a highly anticipated device for VZW. They didn't officially launch it until their was enough inventory in the pipeline (stores, VZW.com, resellers) so that people looking for it didn't have to pull their hair out. Something happened that screwed up Asus' ability to honor their original commitments to resellers. Since they're a public company, they will have forecast "x" amount of Prime sales in 2011. We'll see when they file their Q4 earnings report how badly they missed their earlier projections. Bottom line is they rushed the product to be first to market with Teg3, encountered issues and had no slack in their timeline to deal with them, and are claiming victory by eeking out a small quantity of product this year.
and Best Buy probably had way to many people order.
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Totally not true. BB, like Amazon, was told by Asus how much initial inventory they'd be receiving and what the flow would be subsequently. They sold pre-orders based on those commitments. Asus botched the commitment causing both BB and Amazon to have to cancel or back-order customer orders. Amazon deserves props for getting the message out early and at least giving their customers an option to find a "plan B."
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Asus' CEO publically said "November" for release. Then Asus said "12/9." Then Asus said "12/19." Then Asus said "the week of 12/19." They'll make their last commitment but by sending far fewer units to far fewer resllers then they originally planned. The Galaxy Nexus was a highly anticipated device for VZW. They didn't officially launch it until their was enough inventory in the pipeline (stores, VZW.com, resellers) so that people looking for it didn't have to pull their hair out. Something happened that screwed up Asus' ability to honor their original commitments to resellers. Since they're a public company, they will have forecast "x" amount of Prime sales in 2011. We'll see when they file their Q4 earnings report how badly they missed their earlier projections. Bottom line is they rushed the product to be first to market with Teg3, encountered issues and had no slack in their timeline to deal with them, and are claiming victory by eeking out a small quantity of product this year.
Totally not true. BB, like Amazon, was told by Asus how much initial inventory they'd be receiving and what the flow would be subsequently. They sold pre-orders based on those commitments. Asus botched the commitment causing both BB and Amazon to have to cancel or back-order customer orders. Amazon deserves props for getting the message out early and at least giving their customers an option to find a "plan B."
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This happened last time. I'm really not sure what the exact cause of it is but it seems like their production/supply chain/delivery process is unreliable.
You would think they would have learned something the first time...
Honestly, a delay wouldn't be too bad. But, they have to be public about it -- not leave customers in the dark. This whole time they're trying to market this thing by giving it away on facebook but people who actually want to buy the thing, can't. Where is Asus's official message about these botched commitments? Asus isn't as big as some companies but it isn't a small company either; they should have said something by now. You limit the damage by being upfront with your customers.
As an update, I called and gave the rep a hard time expressing my opinion that Best Buy needed to make some attempt to make good. Finally after asking for free next day shipping and some sort of compensation for not getting anything for christmas, I was told they could not credit the order, but got an "issue number" to call back after it ships to get reimbursed for the shipping cost. Also they are sending me a $25 gift card.
It sucks to have to ask for this. I told them that upgrading the shipping was in their best interest because if I find it somewhere else they lose a sale. Of course, after they changed the order my status went from backordered to order in process, but I am sure this will revert back and was only because the order was changed.
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This happened last time. I'm really not sure what the exact cause of it is but it seems like their production/supply chain/delivery process is unreliable.
You would think they would have learned something the first time...
Honestly, a delay wouldn't be too bad. But, they have to be public about it -- not leave customers in the dark. This whole time they're trying to market this thing by giving it away on facebook but people who actually want to buy the thing, can't. Where is Asus's official message about these botched commitments? Asus isn't as big as some companies but it isn't a small company either; they should have said something by now. You limit the damage by being upfront with your customers.
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You're spot on. I've seen Asus' CEO speak and he's a bit of a character. His ego's also as big as a house. I'm guessing instead of letting the product drive the timeline he mandated the reverse. Product management's reported to me and this consequence is what happens when dates become more important then quality - in either the product or roll-out. Nine women can't have a baby in a month.
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You're spot on. I've seen Asus' CEO speak and he's a bit of a character. His ego's also as big as a house. I'm guessing instead of letting the product drive the timeline he mandated the reverse. Product management's reported to me and this consequence is what happens when dates become more important then quality - in either the product or roll-out. Nine women can't have a baby in a month.
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I think you're right. I think it's partly cause their CEO's a cowboy. I think the other part is that Asus made a strategic decision to be big in tablets (unlike, say, Acer, whose support is half-hearted). Asus wanted to be technology leader, in hardware, and OS, but had to hit the window before iPad 3 was released. So the CEO pushed, and drove the organization to the point where, as you say, dates drove the product, rather than conversely.
I for one, appreciate the strategic decision, and that emphasis is why I decided to return my Acer A500, and just wait for the Asus TF. I understand bleeding edge, vs leading edge, and pre-ordered one from BB on 12/4. So I got the 2 week wait email also. I was hoping for "on-time" delivery, but would have been surprised had it arrived before Christmas. So now it's a matter of managing my "wants" more than cursing BB.
That doesn't stop me from disliking BB's pre-order and order management practices. I doubt I'll online order from them again.
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That doesn't stop me from disliking BB's pre-order and order management practices. I doubt I'll online order from them again.
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I've had a few issues with them on some stuff but I had no idea how disjointed their order and dispatch systems were until the Prime incident(s). You'd think that after the death of CompUSA and Circuit City they'd have made some investments in their infrastructure. They managed this process far worse than some much smaller resellers.
Hi guys,
I put my transformer prime on ebay yesterday at a buy it now price of £350 which I thought was fair considering the prime's condition. Someone bought it within about 6 hours which was great, however, he only has 1 feedback for a saw he bought in 2011.
He sent me this message over ebay:
Hi mate, Glad I won your item. I'm currently in U.K at the moment. Please email me at [email protected], confirming the exact condition of the item. I will be going for an appointment will be able to access my email from my iPhone, so email me at [email protected] using the item number as the subject. cheers
seems dodgy. Only in the UK for a bit? going for an appointment? Using a freeweb email address? His address checks out as being from the UK
I am aware of people reversing payment on paypal once theyve received the product and I don't know how to defend myself from that happening. I can't afford to be scammed as I'm a student and need the money to buy a laptop as my other one packed up yesterday.
Any advice would be great,
Cheers, Nick
Did he send payment? Did he pay with Paypal?
Just make sure that you ship the tablet with tracking and insurance. You might consider doing a proof of delivery (signature) as well. As long as you can prove it was delivered to the address he specified he can't come back later and say he never got the item. The tracking, signature confirmation and insurance all cost a few bucks extra, but when dealing with a $350 item and a dodgy customer they are well worth the extra fee.
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Hi guys,
I put my transformer prime on ebay yesterday at a buy it now price of £350 which I thought was fair considering the prime's condition. Someone bought it within about 6 hours which was great, however, he only has 1 feedback for a saw he bought in 2011.
He sent me this message over ebay:
Hi mate, Glad I won your item. I'm currently in U.K at the moment. Please email me at [email protected], confirming the exact condition of the item. I will be going for an appointment will be able to access my email from my iPhone, so email me at [email protected] using the item number as the subject. cheers
seems dodgy. Only in the UK for a bit? going for an appointment? Using a freeweb email address? His address checks out as being from the UK
I am aware of people reversing payment on paypal once theyve received the product and I don't know how to defend myself from that happening. I can't afford to be scammed as I'm a student and need the money to buy a laptop as my other one packed up yesterday.
Any advice would be great,
Cheers, Nick
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I'd be concerned about wanting to "confirm the exact condition of the item". If he wanted to do that he should have contacted you before bidding, not after winning. Also, whatever precautions you may take, if he leaves the country after he has your hardware in hand, you will not have much recourse if things go sour later-even if you have all the documentation to prove your side of things. Any way you could get him to pay cash?
On the yahoo account, I wouldn't be too concerned about that. I know lots of people who use yahoo, gmail, etc as their primary email accounts. This keeps things so that your email account is not tied to your ISP and you can keep your address if you change service providers. Also, I personally keep a separate Gmail account that I only use on ebay so that I don't have to give out my "real" address which I only give to friends and family.
thanks for your replies guys,
no, I have not received any money into my paypal account and am waiting for a response from him. Just a quick question regarding postal insurance: Do I insure my tablet up to the value of £350 and receive that if it all goes wrong? Why doesn't everyone just claim things went missing and both parties win?
also to the guy above, that bothered me too. The item's condition was extensively detailed in my description with photos and everything
cheers, Nick
With insurance you specify the sale price of the item and if it goes missing you collect that amount of money from the postal service which you then use to repay the purchaser.
The reason that everyone doesn't just say things are "missing" is because doing so is a crime punishable with prison time if you are found out. Also, it is unlikely that you will be able to get a stranger to reliably lie for you.
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With insurance you specify the sale price of the item and if it goes missing you collect that amount of money from the postal service which you then use to repay the purchaser.
The reason that everyone doesn't just say things are "missing" is because doing so is a crime punishable with prison time if you are found out. Also, it is unlikely that you will be able to get a stranger to reliably lie for you.
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So Worst case scenario is the item goes missing in the post according to mr fraudulent purchaser and I collect cash from the post office?
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So Worst case scenario is the item goes missing in the post according to mr fraudulent purchaser and I collect cash from the post office?
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No. The worse case scenario is that you don't buy insurance and the package gets lost or damaged in which case you are out of a tablet and have to refund the $350 out of your own pocket because your item was never delivered.
(Total loss= Tablet + $$350)
2nd worst scenario is the tablet is lost, but you paid $5 (or whatever) for the shipping insurance so you don't have to refund the purchaser out of your own pocket but you are still missing a tablet.
(Total loss= Tablet + $5)
When shipping relatively expensive items overseas it is always worth paying an extra $10 or so to the shipping company for insurance, detailed tracking and signature confirmation. This is doubly true if you don't trust the buyer which seems to be the case with this guy.
I sell my prime with dock, with 399 euro. I buy this in aprile. 2years waranty. I never use this tablet, and i want to sell. I change 2 prime, for defective problems. This is OK. For link send PM.
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No. The worse case scenario is that you don't buy insurance and the package gets lost or damaged in which case you are out of a tablet and have to refund the $350 out of your own pocket because your item was never delivered.
(Total loss= Tablet + $$350)
2nd worst scenario is the tablet is lost, but you paid $5 (or whatever) for the shipping insurance so you don't have to refund the purchaser out of your own pocket but you are still missing a tablet.
(Total loss= Tablet + $5)
When shipping relatively expensive items overseas it is always worth paying an extra $10 or so to the shipping company for insurance, detailed tracking and signature confirmation. This is doubly true if you don't trust the buyer which seems to be the case with this guy.
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oh I see, thus keeping the cash the buyer has given me.
This does sound like a scam to me, I once had very similar emails when I advertised a car.
I wouldn't part with your Prime until you have the money safely. I don't think you're covered by eBay payment protection (because his feedback is low), but might be worth checking with eBay customer service how protected you are.
Good luck!
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oh I see, thus keeping the cash the buyer has given me.
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Pretty much. According to eBay rules if your product was lost and not delivered you would have to refund them their money (Paypal would happily do it for them without your consent). If you bought insurance, the postal service would pay you the listed value of the tablet so you would get $350 (minus whatever you paid for insurance) and the purchaser would get their $350 back as well.
Insurance is ALWAYS worthwhile, especially for items over $100 and often for items as low as $30 if you have a bad feeling about the buyer.
I've used Ebay a LOT.
1 - Never send without a payment
2 - NEVER, I repeat NEVER EVER accept a payment through PayPal that they used a credit card to make. Reason? People claim that they were "frauded" and do a chargeback. PayPal retracts the money from you and you are out everything.
3 - If you receive a payment email from the buyer NEVER trust them. EVER. Go directly to your paypal through your web browser, never through their links. Reason? They have fake paypal pages set up to make you think you got the payment. I've seen this more times than I can count...it almost suckered me the first time it was that good.
4- ALWAYS get insurance, tracking number and mandatory signature upon delivery. DO NOT EVER send without any of these. Period.
5 - Make sure to ship through whatever government shipping options you have if available. Canada Post, USPS, whatever...this usually avoids brokerage fees (which you can apply to be your own broker and get the item anyway, but it's a headache and a HUGE scam shipping companies LOVE to employ for extra cash)
6 - If the guy says he's from somewhere reasonably local (UK, USA, Canada) then states "I am overseas working in Africa on a geological survey ship, can you please send to my cousin in Nigeria" tell him to **** off and repost it.
7 - EVERY fake buyer will send a template email "Thanks guy, I am happy to be winning your item off of ebay and can not wait to get it! I am so excited!", it never sounds conversational and never mentions the specific item. You can send them back an email that asks them specific questions and they'll answer with another template "Glad to hear from you, I will send the money requested and $50 extra dollars if you send the item as soon as possible through the fastest way".
If the person on the other end can't have a conversation, even in halted English, ignore them and move on. They are a scammer, usually from Africa, using templates to try to scam. Chances are they can't speak a lick of English, or even count. They entice with excited sounding emails offering extra money above and beyond the asking price, then send a fake email that they paid you with a link inside that takes you to a fake page.
This screams scam, I'd back away from it right now. If your selling on Ebay make sure you have someone with atleast 6 to 12 months history, and with a good rating. People will buy a bunch of crap $1 cables so they can raise up there rating and then start scamming on big name items.
When I sold my iPhone 3G years ago I ended up with someone offering to pay me and paypal but wanted me to ship to his Niece in another province... it was a gift and she'd be soooooo excited... apparently....
I walked away from that deal quickly.
Put it up on craigs list, meet in a public place and get cash.
I would run the other direction. This sounds no good.
Omate keeps saying that they shipped all the Kickstarter USA editions already. But I have not gotten my Kickstarter Standard Nov watch yet, and they don't respond to emails nor give tracking numbers anymore, so I have no idea if it was shipped and got lost or if it's not yet shipped, nor do I have any way of finding this out.
Does anyone else stlll NOT have their Kickstarter Standard (Nov) USA edition watch yet? Does anyone know how the heck to actually have Omate respond to watch shipment inquiries?
Tony
They have announced that they will not respond to any shipping-related inquiries.
My 1/8/1900 Nov Dev edition ordered on the very last day of the kickstarter campaign arrived in early February. I may have been the first in the USA to get mine and the last to support thru KS. Odd. I had to sign for it, I got an email with a tracking number that worked, and the order was filled correctly !
Yours may have been overlooked and never shipped. If it was an early KS Dev edition with a numbered backplate, it is likely still on its way - a lot of people in the USA are just receiving those now and many are not getting tracking number emails due to, um, logistics issues...
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They have announced that they will not respond to any shipping-related inquiries.
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UGH! Then how will I ever get this watch? It's crazy really. It's like they stole my money for no product.
Well, they were getting tons of emails on all their exposed addresses mainly from folks upset about the shipping delays, over and over. So, instead of silently ignoring most of these, Omate just announced up front that they couldn't answer them all, at least at this point, and that they were not going to try. I look at that as more realistic and more near honest, though not encouraging.
I hope yours is delivered soon. It isn't much like what I backed, really, but it is a lot of fun and amazes people when I show it to them.
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Well, they were getting tons of emails on all their exposed addresses mainly from folks upset about the shipping delays, over and over. So, instead of silently ignoring most of these, Omate just announced up front that they couldn't answer them all, at least at this point, and that they were not going to try. I look at that as more realistic and more near honest, though not encouraging.
I hope yours is delivered soon. It isn't much like what I backed, really, but it is a lot of fun and amazes people when I show it to them.
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I hear you, but it's one thing to email about shipping delays. It's another when they say they shipped all Nov standard edition USA watches and I didn't get mine, so it obviously either got lost or they mistaken did NOT ship. In either case, I'll NEVER get it and have no way to communicate to them and they have my money with no way of getting it back (or the watch). I'm sorry, but this situation is ridiculous!! I could wait longer if I knew I was actually ever going to get it.
So back to the original question - is there anyone else who didn't get it yet from the Kickstarter Nov standard USA edition?
My TS was in transit for almost three weeks. You also need to keep in mind that the USPS is garbage and has been for some time now. They have let go almost 100,000 people over the past year or two, are billions of dollars in debt/defaults, closed multiple sorting centers and smaller post offices and are using sub-contractors in a number of places as well. Not to mention the increased reports of bogus "attempted delivery" attempts, not getting signatures and simply leaving packages where ever they feel like when they do deliver. So Omate may be to blame for some stuff but they are not the only ones.
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My TS was in transit for almost three weeks. You also need to keep in mind that the USPS is garbage and has been for some time now. They have let go almost 100,000 people over the past year or two, are billions of dollars in debt/defaults, closed multiple sorting centers and smaller post offices and are using sub-contractors in a number of places as well. Not to mention the increased reports of bogus "attempted delivery" attempts, not getting signatures and simply leaving packages where ever they feel like when they do deliver. So Omate may be to blame for some stuff but they are not the only ones.
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Irrespective of the quality of the USPS, it's RIDICULOUS that Omate does not send out even any notification of when it was shipped just so I know that it was shipped. Right now, I have NO IDEA if my $200+ watch & accessories were lost in the mail somewhere or someone stole it off my front porch or if they lost my order with no intention of ever sending it. OMATE NEEDS TO GIVE ME THIS INFORMATION - no one else can. Sorry - but until they do it is THEIR fault entirely. I have no way of knowing. And since I cannot find a single Nov USA standard addition backer who has NOT received it yet, I have to think this has gotten either physically lost in transit or they lost my order info.
I have NO IDEA how to find this out. I'm not sure why people here are defending Omate for this ridiculous and completely unacceptable lack of communication. I can wait if it's still coming - I just need to know what happened to mine if everyone else got theirs.
Have you tried emailing them a civil request for tracking info carefully explaining your situation? Maybe even have the subject read "Order possibility lost during shipping, need info". And just some friendly advice, being a jerk will get you no where with them and probably get your email ignored.
BTW. Check your attitude buddy. If you think I'm an Omate defender then you have clearly been living in a cave the past 8 months.
He's likely referring to me, Lokifish. I told him about Omate's recent announcement that they were overwhelmed with emails from upset backers and would go officially into Ignore Them mode.
I was glad Omate at least admitted this publicly instead of continuing to conceal it, but it sure freezes out people like Tones2 who have a real and serious need to get in touch with Omate over delivery issues.
Now we are finding that the last batch of numbered Dev editions had at least a few shipped with the cheaper lower ram and storage early EU versions. I bet these are ones that were left over after Omate tried to sell them into various distributors for resell.
If they distribute the next update with the security still totally fckd, that would be approaching a total shut out game.
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Have you tried emailing them a civil request for tracking info carefully explaining your situation? Maybe even have the subject read "Order possibility lost during shipping, need info". And just some friendly advice, being a jerk will get you no where with them and probably get your email ignored.
BTW. Check your attitude buddy. If you think I'm an Omate defender then you have clearly been living in a cave the past 8 months.
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Well, this is just recently acquired attitude. I was not one of those people blasting Omate for not meeting their initial delivery dates and was (and still am) perfectly willing to wait over 6 months for this watch. I totally understand the delays, personnel issues of a small start up, and initial buginess of the product. However, after they publically announce that they have shipped all of the USA watches, and then publically announce that they are not going to send out any shipping info nor respond to any emails whatsoever, and after I sent them 3 or 4 very polite emails inquiring what happen to MY watch if they shipped all USA kickstarter models (with a subject similar to what you suggested) all with zero response from them, then yes I start to get REALLY PISSED OFF. I think this is justified.
Do I have any recourse with reporting this situation to Kickstarter? At this point, I don't know where to turn. I've been trying to avoid using their facebook site for this inquiry, but maybe public shame will wake them up, although that doesn't seen to have worked to date..
For what it's worth, though it's not a US shipment, it's not far off... I'm (still) waiting on any sign whatsoever that my 1/8 1900 standard edition is making its way to me up here in Montreal. No shipping notification, and if there's no attempted delivery notification when I get home from work today, I'm sending a polite email which, when all is said and done, will come down to "Could you provide me with some proof that the watch is, indeed, on its way to me?". Because good faith is one thing, but being completely forgotten is another.
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For what it's worth, though it's not a US shipment, it's not far off... I'm (still) waiting on any sign whatsoever that my 1/8 1900 standard edition is making its way to me up here in Montreal. No shipping notification, and if there's no attempted delivery notification when I get home from work today, I'm sending a polite email which, when all is said and done, will come down to "Could you provide me with some proof that the watch is, indeed, on its way to me?". Because good faith is one thing, but being completely forgotten is another.
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Yeah - good luck on getting a reply to ANY email whatsoever....
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Yeah - good luck on getting a reply to ANY email whatsoever....
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As much to my surprise as anyone's, Magan got back to me and (despite apparently not entirely understanding my question, as I was told it was "too late to change my delivery address"), I got given a tracking number! Small victory, at least.
Interestingly, it shows my watch as having shipped on the 28th, not on the 18th as the update would have had you believe, and the last update shows it leaving Switzerland on the 4th. Where it is now, I have no clue, but it's apparently in transit to me (in Canada). Will update when and if I get further news.
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As much to my surprise as anyone's, Magan got back to me and (despite apparently not entirely understanding my question, as I was told it was "too late to change my delivery address"), I got given a tracking number! Small victory, at least.
Interestingly, it shows my watch as having shipped on the 28th, not on the 18th as the update would have had you believe, and the last update shows it leaving Switzerland on the 4th. Where it is now, I have no clue, but it's apparently in transit to me (in Canada). Will update when and if I get further news.
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I was afraid to back the kickstarter because you can truly end up with nothing for your money. When all the watches started arriving for people I went on ebay and bought one. People are selling the watches at a discount because it doesn't work properly right out of the box. I got my watch early last week and only paid a few days before I got it
I am also in Canada. From the time my ts left China to the time it arrived at my door I could not track it. Tracking always said left China. Then one day it just arrived at my door.
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I am also in Canada. From the time my ts left China to the time it arrived at my door I could not track it. Tracking always said left China. Then one day it just arrived at my door.
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How long did it take end-to-end, rhineymac? I'm curious as to when I should start getting more anxious.
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How long did it take end-to-end, rhineymac? I'm curious as to when I should start getting more anxious.
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A little over three weeks. Mine was held at customs for 10 days
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A little over three weeks. Mine was held at customs for 10 days
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Well, then I'm theoretically within 10 days of receiving mine, then, the status updated to "Handed to customs" last night!
Wish me luck, folks! According to tracking info:
Thu 17.04.2014 11:05 Delivery attempt: addressee absent
Going to the post office after work to attempt to pick it up.