Well... I was hoping this case would revert my perspective of the Note 12.2 as a useable device.
First things first. The overall Keyboard functionality is good nice travel within the keys. I like the keys for cut and paste etc. My huge beef is the thing does not support the screen on and off functionality when the cover opens or closes. Now to my second issue, the screen and keyboard contact when closed. Though Logitech has bumpers to raise the keyboard it still makes contact with the screen when closed with little to no pressure.
Back to my earlier comment on the device itself. It is beautiful and I love the additional real-estate over my "original Note 10.1". However the performance is a disappointment and though I really like the new features I just can't justify 1k with accessories for an under preforming device. I am honestly surprised that my Note 10.1 (first Edition) has almost the same performance. I was really hoping the keyboard aspect would encourage me to keep it... for now I think its going back.
I would note the concept of a keyboard would be uber cool if it had a trackpad or mouse/nub. I realize its not a notebook but...
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/pro?wt.mc_id=global_news_pro
Earthdog said:
Well... I was hoping this case would revert my perspective of the Note 12.2 as a useable device.
First things first. The overall Keyboard functionality is good nice travel within the keys. I like the keys for cut and paste etc. My huge beef is the thing does not support the screen on and off functionality when the cover opens or closes. Now to my second issue, the screen and keyboard contact when closed. Though Logitech has bumpers to raise the keyboard it still makes contact with the screen when closed with little to no pressure.
Back to my earlier comment on the device itself. It is beautiful and I love the additional real-estate over my "original Note 10.1". However the performance is a disappointment and though I really like the new features I just can't justify 1k with accessories for an under preforming device. I am honestly surprised that my Note 10.1 (first Edition) has almost the same performance. I was really hoping the keyboard aspect would encourage me to keep it... for now I think its going back.
I would note the concept of a keyboard would be uber cool if it had a trackpad or mouse/nub. I realize its not a notebook but...
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/pro?wt.mc_id=global_news_pro
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I noticed the screen touching as well as the loss of powering on and off when opened/closed. However, for me the keyboard has allowed me to use a RDP for our works server. Usually I had to use the on screen keyboard within the servers app. Now with the logitech, and a magic mouse connected at the same time, I can have a laptop type of device, or pop it back in to the regular samsung cover for travel/tablet time.
I was thinking of little pieces of felt on the keyboard where it touches. Little extra support. Over all, the keyboards added functions out weigh the loss of the on/off feature for me.
The keys are the best I have ever used on a bluetooth keyboard. If it had an integrated mouse pad, it would most likely need the usb dongle/receiver plugged in to a usb port....
I am loving the flexibility of this tab and accessories personally. I have to force myself to use the macbook just to keep away from the tablet!
I just got my Logitech today. My keys don't touch my screen at all. Yeah an auto on/off would have been a nice feature but not a biggie for me. You can turn it on by hitting the Home button on the keyboard. You can turn it off with FN - DEL keys. I was using the ZAGG but this is 1000 times better.
hawkye said:
I just got my Logitech today. My keys don't touch my screen at all. Yeah an auto on/off would have been a nice feature but not a biggie for me. You can turn it on by hitting the Home button on the keyboard. You can turn it off with FN - DEL keys. I was using the ZAGG but this is 1000 times better.
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Not sure about the other poster, but it's not the keys where mine touches (?). It's around the home button area. Ya, the on off with the keys is awesome. I like how the music key opens play music.
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We all would love some pic from the people who already received the case and some feedback after using for couple days. I have been reaching for someone to give a good video or photo review because I am thinking of getting one anytime soon.
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Got mine today. Like it so far. It is late now but I can post some photos and more thoughts on it tomorrow if nobody else beats me to it.
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Got mine today. Like it so far. It is late now but I can post some photos and more thoughts on it tomorrow if nobody else beats me to it.
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I love it so far. You can wake your tablet by pressing a key and shut it off using FN-DEL keys. So far I just wish I could program the shortcut keys. Email shortcut brings up GMail but I use Exchange Email 99% of the time so I need the stock Email app instead.
Question for the one who already received it. Can you type in different languages? such as arabic or any other language? I know the keyboard comes only with English litter printed on the keyboard, but can you test that for me please and post a pic for the result? It will be much appreciated. I speak 2 language so I have to use arabic and English in my line of work. Just wounder if I can do that in the keyboard
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Regarding the performance complaints... I think most the issue is two fold... Expectations and Google Chrome. First of all I think we all expected a screaming fast and lag free experience. The fact is that this tablet is screaming fast however Samsung has continue to bloat it up so their is still some lag in the GUI. Frankly I think the lag is over exaggerated and too many make a big deal out of it. I've ran many AOSP roms on my Nexus 10 and S4, no lag at all but less functionality. I'll take multi-window functionality any day over zero lag. Would love both but it's just not an option right now... Second performance issue is that Google Chrome appears to lack some serious optimizations for this tablet. How and why this is beats me but Chrome is scrolling is disturbingly laggy. On the other hand Chrome beta is much better so hopefully we see these optimizations is Chome stable release soon. Until then I'm using beta. If you don't care about Chrome syncing then the built in browser is really fast but Chrome beta addresses 60-70% of the Chrome performance issues. Page loading is fast but still not as fast as the built in browser. Google has stated that they are committed to Chrome performance improvements in 2014 and I think beta is already showing this.
I have some apps that do some serious number crunching and can tell you think absolutely smoke my Nexus 10 in raw performance so I think things will only get better with software optimizations.
On another note I rooted my Note 12.2 yesterday and can't express how much better it is now with a few tweaks.
Root Tweaks...
270 DPI
Chrome User Agent - Chrome Desktop
Titanium Backup - freeze unnecessary apps
Enable additional apps for mutli-windows (Chrome beta most importantly)
LMT launcher for swipe home, back, recents, menu, etc...
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Apex Launcher
Overall really happy with this tablet now. Was considering the Logitech keyboard but not sure now although I don't think the auto sleep when closed complaint is a big deal...
Does anyone else have this keyboard? I am debating replacing my 10.1 2014 with the 12.2 for the extra screen real estate and the fact there is a Logitech keyboard for it. If the keyboard case is great, it almost makes the upgrade a no-brainer. If the keyboard sucks, I think I am out.
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Does anyone else have this keyboard? I am debating replacing my 10.1 2014 with the 12.2 for the extra screen real estate and the fact there is a Logitech keyboard for it. If the keyboard case is great, it almost makes the upgrade a no-brainer. If the keyboard sucks, I think I am out.
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Best Buy salesman talked me into buying one, he said it has a 15 day return window, so I thought why not. I'm liking it so far. Only have 2 concerns.
1) With the case closed, I have noticed that while i'm caring it, the tablet can slide off the rubber bumpers on the keyboard and allow the screen to touch the keys. This will cause the tablet to turn on unless you turn the keyboard power switch off.
2) I don't like the feel of the material on the outside of the case. The majority of it is nylon (or something similar) and it is a little slick. I'm afraid its going to slide out of my hands. Would be better if it was leather or even fake leather.
juat gor mine too from best buy. i agree with you about the 2 point. they keyboard will slied off. I like the keyboard and it is really great but I might need to get a screen protecter for it since it will slide all the time and the only reason I bought the device in the first place is so I can take the device with me anywhere insted of my laptop.
also I noticed that switching between 2 language is not functioning as it suppost to be. it will show that you switched the language but it will only type in english unless you go to setting and switch it from there. so anytime you want to type in any language and switch in between you need to go to the setting all the time.
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just a follow up to my comment above, I actualy have been looking around with the keyboard and found that by holding the Ctrl and prissing space it will change the language for you if you are using 2 different language on the keyboard.
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Regarding the performance complaints... I think most the issue is two fold... Expectations and Google Chrome. First of all I think we all expected a screaming fast and lag free experience. The fact is that this tablet is screaming fast however Samsung has continue to bloat it up so their is still some lag in the GUI. Frankly I think the lag is over exaggerated and too many make a big deal out of it. I've ran many AOSP roms on my Nexus 10 and S4, no lag at all but less functionality. I'll take multi-window functionality any day over zero lag. Would love both but it's just not an option right now... Second performance issue is that Google Chrome appears to lack some serious optimizations for this tablet. How and why this is beats me but Chrome is scrolling is disturbingly laggy. On the other hand Chrome beta is much better so hopefully we see these optimizations is Chome stable release soon. Until then I'm using beta. If you don't care about Chrome syncing then the built in browser is really fast but Chrome beta addresses 60-70% of the Chrome performance issues. Page loading is fast but still not as fast as the built in browser. Google has stated that they are committed to Chrome performance improvements in 2014 and I think beta is already showing this.
I have some apps that do some serious number crunching and can tell you think absolutely smoke my Nexus 10 in raw performance so I think things will only get better with software optimizations.
On another note I rooted my Note 12.2 yesterday and can't express how much better it is now with a few tweaks.
Root Tweaks...
270 DPI
Chrome User Agent - Chrome Desktop
Titanium Backup - freeze unnecessary apps
Enable additional apps for mutli-windows (Chrome beta most importantly)
LMT launcher for swipe home, back, recents, menu, etc...
Non root tweak-
Apex Launcher
Overall really happy with this tablet now. Was considering the Logitech keyboard but not sure now although I don't think the auto sleep when closed complaint is a big deal...
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Can you be specific about what you froze ?
I want to keep all of the S-pen stuff and and air-command(i think it is called like this..) and multi split.
But i want to disable all of the knox stuff and the flipboard style stuff since it doesn't auto refresh anyway.
Why would you change the dpi ?
I tried the logitech keyboard case, but to me the case put the tablet too close to the keyboard. I prefer a bit more space between the two. And it made the package too thick for my liking.
So instead I've opted for a regular neoprene 13.3" laptop sleeve (which can also hold my Wacom pen and a cleaning cloth), with this as my keyboard: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/bluetooth-illuminated-keyboard-k810 and this as my stand: http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F5L084/ When I need to carry it all, everything fits inside the sleeve (with the cloth between the keyboard and the tablet's back)
Works perfectly, and it's so much more free. I can now put the tab on a table or nightstand whilst keeping the keyboard on my lap whilst I'm sitting on the sofa or bed.
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just a follow up to my comment above, I actualy have been looking around with the keyboard and found that by holding the Ctrl and prissing space it will change the language for you if you are using 2 different language on the keyboard.
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This saved me for returning the otherwise perfect case keyboard. It is very weird no one else mentioned this particular.
I ended up selling mine on swappa. Where the corner pops in to the case, right by the spen, the Logitech was taking some of the chrome finish of the tablet. I opted for the Samsung Keyboard case and couldn't be happier with it when using and closed.
l did like the feel of the Logitech keys slightly better however, but the Sammy one works great.
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Transformer Prime Champagne Gold impressions
Well, as karma has it, I was able to get a 32GB Champagne Gold Transformer Prime, with the dock, last Friday and played with it over the weekend.
I was worried about many of the problems people were reporting and I was slightly afraid when starting up the device, I did not want to see bad light bleeds or dead pixels and so on. While the tablet itself ended up being perfect, I was still hit with a crippling bug of the keyboard dock not being able to be used for typing at all.
I found it almost ironic that I ended up with a serious flaw like that. I really thought that forums give a wrong impression about ASUS quality control, but reality is that it really is very, very bad. It is almost like gambling, chance that you'll get a functioning device without flaws that will annoy you from the very beginning, are very low.
I'll get the device replaced and essentially add to the pile of devices that are being returned to ASUS. But that aside, here are my impressions about the tablet, since I did use the tablet without the keyboard quite a bit.
Champagne Gold is absolutely beautiful in real life. It is a really attractive looking device, it's not as 'white' as Apple's aluminum devices are and is so much better for it with the slight golden gue making it look less clinical. Pictures don't do it justice, Champagne Gold Transformer Prime is the best looking tablet I've held in my hands.
The build is also very sturdy. I am glad I did not go for one of the plastic built tablets of yesteryear as I really love the feel of the tablet when I hold it. It is slightly heavier than I expected but only because I've never used tablets this extensively before.
Of course this design has its drawbacks, such as very weak GPS, but I tend to use my phone for GPS due to assisted GPS from cell towers, which is just much quicker. As for WiFi issues, I did not notice any, but I also did not run any speed tests. I mostly make the tablet use my phone as source of internet and it didn't have any problems doing so.
The first bootup ran Honeycomb and I immediately noticed that it simply did not run smoothly despite quad-core processing power driving it. But I liked the screen and after wiping the screen properly, touch responsiveness was good.
A mere 15 minutes later the device had updated itself to Android 4.0 and I had no stutter or lag issues anymore when moving around the menus or using the browser.
The screen is really beautiful and bright with good contrast. And the external sound is better than I expected. I watched the new 30 Rock episode with girlfriend on a couch and it was a nice experience, much better than trying to hold a laptop comfortably while watching a show. MX video player works very well on Prime, I watched Boardwalk Empire on my way back home on a train and it is a great device for extended viewing. It is amazing how much more natural it feels to watch series or movies on a tablet device like this as opposed to laptop.
Most apps seem to run quite well on Prime. But Android has its drawbacks on tablets, a lot of really great looking games do not have HD versions, making them look less attractive on the screen. Some of my favorites such as truly amazing World of Goo and Cut the Rope worked well on Prime, but their beautiful art was stretched to full screen, making the games look less magical than they felt when I was playing them on my Galaxy Nexus phone (which has a similar resolution to Prime, but far smaller screen).
I tried to use my tablet as a netbook, but without working keyboard I coould not really give it as much of a go as I hoped. But browsing around in the internet was fast and smooth and I really like Android for a tablet OS.
Battery lasted less than I hoped, but I cannot say it was bad since I did not charge it enough times for it to live up to its full potential. But I did not have to charge it while I was using, so it did not cause any battery stress.
I also liked that ASUS does not enforce its things on the user. Majority of pre-installed apps can be disabled and ASUS own enhancements are good for the device. They did not add anything that felt like bloatware.
As for the screen, yes it is certainly a fingerprint magnet. It does not bother me until I start watching a movie or whatnot. Makes me feel like I should clean it up because it simply is dirty (even when hands are less oily and have recently been washed).
Is this the best tablet I have ever used? Not really, iPad 2 is still a better media and content consumption device and I find Prime a much less comfortable to use when held in portrait mode as opposed to iPad 2 (but of course widescreen videos are much better on Prime as a result). But I can really see how the keyboard dock can enhance the Prime experience enough for me to never consider iPad 3, even if it comes out with HD screen and even better battery life.
I should also make additional note about the keyboard dock. I don't find the build of the keyboard dock to be as good as I hoped, it angles up really awkwardly on the Prime when screen is lifted, the back hinge is basically the thing it starts 'resting' on and differently from the rubber it rests on in front of the dock, the back rests on plastic knob-thingies, which have less grip. So on a less sturdy surface or when typing, the device is prone to move a lot more than you'd expect.
To sum things up, ASUS did a good job at everything except quality control and body design for GPS. If it had 3G, better WiFi and functioning GPS I would easily grade it the best tablet ever, but right now I don't see iPad 2 being actually dethroned before the end of this year where Google's rumoured tablet and possibly another Transformer can really kick things up a notch.
2012 is the year of 4G and HD screens on tablets, but I must say I did not really think Prime needs a HD screen. It is not because it would not look more beautiful - it would and I can easily see pixels when reading the web on Prime - but I just think that Android market won't catch up to HD apps before 2013. Today most apps look stretched and the apps that don't, do not seem to need HD anyway.
But yes, a wonderful device, just make sure to not throw away the box and other items so you can quickly refund, since chance has it that it might come with a hardware flaw or two.
Nice well written review.
Got it exchanged and keyboard works now! By the way, those wishing to buy it in Estonia, it seems to be sold downtown in both Euronics and Klick stores. Can't be bought online yet and seems to be only the champagne gold 32gb model.
Thx for the review man
On thing i want to add though: You have to compare the transformer prime to the ipad2 wifi only. If you want to compare it at all. And that device has no gps module at all, so a more or less working gps is still better than none at all.
But those comparisons are fundamentally flawed imho. I buy a device because of its features. iPad and TP offer very different things which results in the situation that there are fans of one device (because it has everything they wish for) and fans of the other one debating which one is better...
In the end there is only "whats better for you" and never "whats better for everyone". For me its clearly the Prime.
Dude i get carried away again. My Prime shall arrive! NOW!
I'm with you with the Champagne Gold color.
The photos online do not give justice to the Champagne Gold color as it is absolutely beautiful in real life.
The Gold hue does not overpower the Aluminum Color and has a rather subtle hint to it.
Excellent review. A good model for all to follow!
My "purplish" grey one is to arrive tomorrow....wish I could have ordered the champagne colour. I'll probably end up putting a skinomi skin on the back as I'm not really into the purple tones...plus, I heard the aluminum scratches easily.
i haven't read the full review... but you found a gold dock in stores? or online? where? i didn't even think it existed.
oasis9389 said:
i haven't read the full review... but you found a gold dock in stores? or online? where? i didn't even think it existed.
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+1. Where is this mythical gold dock? Surely not the one I've had on BB preorder since late November? lol <bangs head into wall>
I'm using a Champagne Prime mated with a Gray dock. I actually like the look better than a matched set. Something to think about if you can't find a Champagne dock...
wynand32 said:
I'm using a Champagne Prime mated with a Gray dock. I actually like the look better than a matched set. Something to think about if you can't find a Champagne dock...
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can you post some pics?
Just as an FYI, your prime screen is capable of 720p hd video playback, just not 1080p. still HD, just not the best HD. Great review though.
oasis9389 said:
i haven't read the full review... but you found a gold dock in stores? or online? where? i didn't even think it existed.
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ASUS is selling 32GB Champagne Gold TF201's in Estonia, it's the EU version (tablet and dock in one). And it is also localized, with local adapter and US keyboard that has russian letters in the corner (we also have a large number of russians living here).
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+1. Where is this mythical gold dock? Surely not the one I've had on BB preorder since late November? lol <bangs head into wall>
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It seems that ASUS did not just do a UK launch, it was an EU launch and a lot of tablets are being sold in various countries, often without advertisements. Here we have Champagne Gold one, sold 2-in-1, dock and tablet. I haven't seen Amethyst Grey being sold anywhere here (and we seem to have two chains selling TF201's without ads at the moment).
It just shows how little this tablet is really known outside these forums and tech world. People don't know about it. Stores don't even know that they have the hottest Android tablet on their shelves.
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Thx for the review man
On thing i want to add though: You have to compare the transformer prime to the ipad2 wifi only. If you want to compare it at all. And that device has no gps module at all, so a more or less working gps is still better than none at all.
But those comparisons are fundamentally flawed imho. I buy a device because of its features. iPad and TP offer very different things which results in the situation that there are fans of one device (because it has everything they wish for) and fans of the other one debating which one is better...
In the end there is only "whats better for you" and never "whats better for everyone". For me its clearly the Prime.
Dude i get carried away again. My Prime shall arrive! NOW!
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Well, true, but it is worth a comparison simply because you would not own a Prime and an iPad 2 together, they overlap in functionality. I will still recommend iPad 2 to anyone who is not a tech person as I believe that today it is a better device for content consumption and don't believe Android will catch up in app-market with HD apps and experience at least until 2013.
I am really neutral in that opinion here, I own an Android 4.0 phone and tablet now, I love Android. But today iPad 2 is a better tablet for an average person even if you don't consider GPS, WiFi quality or 3G existence important.
I would not buy Android for my grandparents, if I had to choose I would buy them iPad 2.
But anyways, I love it. Those of us who know tech and prefer Android, this is a brilliant device if your device does not have issues resulted from bad quality control.
Conduitz said:
Just as an FYI, your prime screen is capable of 720p hd video playback, just not 1080p. still HD, just not the best HD. Great review though.
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Thank you for the correction.
I am about to order one, so how is it compared to a laptop? i wanna sell my laptop and use Prime all the time insted, btw how did you use you phones internet? thats called tethering? or some bluetooth function ?
vitalero said:
I am about to order one, so how is it compared to a laptop? i wanna sell my laptop and use Prime all the time insted, btw how did you use you phones internet? thats called tethering? or some bluetooth function ?
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Think you might struggle to use this as a laptop replacement - depending on what you use your laptop for.
Yes, it's called tethering - setting your phone up as a wifi hotspot then connecting your tablet to it. No bluetooth needed. However, some Prime users report issues with this since the ICS update.
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I've had the chance to use the keyboard dock for a while, as well as test out a variety of apps. Some apps are much better in HD on a tablet, this surprised me quite a bit. For example IMDB app is really good on tablet and gMail (and really, all Google apps) is very high quality.
Apps run quickly and without problems. I also haven't noticed any problems with the tablet I got for exchange, no dead pixels. There's faint backlight bleed near one corner but I can not notice it while using a tablet unless brightness setting is too high and screen itself full of black colors.
As for the keyboard. I really love that it is Android focused keyboard. The keys make sense and are intuitive. It really is the first time I've felt comfortable with a keyboard that is similar to old school Windows keyboards, while never making me feel like it is one of those 'modified' PC keyboards. The top row buttons are all very useful, there are no bloated keys.
At first I wished there was 'recent apps' key, but there isn't. Alt+Tab does exist, but since there is no Alt key on the left hand side of the keyboard, you have to use two hands for it (I always Alt+Tab with left hand on my PC). So that's a bit annoying.
Keyboard itself is comfortable to write on if you've used smaller netbooks before. It takes a short time getting used to since at first you expect keys to be further apart, but adjustment does not take long. Feel of the keys is really good and they are well built, I like that spacebar, while long, goes down on both sides if you only press on one side. While it seems simple and does not look as expensive as Macbook Air keyboard, it feels really well built.
The dock also protects the tablet really well. The keys are not elevated on the dock, so they don't touch or get close to tablet screen and leave marks of any kind on the screen in the long run (this happened with my nice Compaq netbook 311C that had a beautiful LED screen that just looked worn thanks to keyboard after a while). Dock is also separated from the tablet with little rubber knobs
The touchpad is basically pointless, I am not sure why it is even needed, but I like that it is there in case I ever would need it. Using screen touch is simply faster, since apps are usually built keeping that in mind. Touchpad is just slower in comparison. I did however find it helpful when writing a lot of text and needing to correct something. It is also great that you can turn the touchpad off so it doesn't activate by accident while you are typing.
Certain apps are also less-keyboard friendly. While typing is supported all around, certain apps are less friendly when it comes to common usability features such as tab key changing selected input field (like going from username to password). You cannot really use the tablet without resorting to touching the screen every now and then, but I must admit that it is better than I originally expected. I actually like having the keyboard on, since on-screen keyboard is really something I don't like to resort to.
I did notice that capacitive pens are not very good on Transformer Prime screen. I have cleaned the screen very well, but capacitive pens are not sensed unless brushing them more noticably against the screen. The pen is a high quality one originally built for iPad 2 by Bamboo, worlds leading company when it comes to graphic tablets. I guess the non-air-pad type capacitive pens would work better though.
For some other things that are not as perfect as they could be, there is a very tiny amount of lag in the system at times when using the keyboard. It is certainly not as responsive as a keyboard should be if you, say, played competitive first person shooter games. But it doesn't really annoy and some apps are better than others at it. This will possibly improve even further with newer Android or firmware updates since it is not a hardware issue at all.
One thing I can tell you though is that TF201 makes quite an impression. I've shown it to two friends and the dock really makes the tablet. It takes away one of the most uncomfortable things about tablets - typing on that awkward screen - as well as offers natural protection without needing a case to protect the screen. Two of my friends who played with it were very impressed. If there's an Android device to wow people who only really know about iPad, it is not good to show the tablet without the dock - since it is just too similar - but the dock helps it really set it apart.
vitalero said:
I am about to order one, so how is it compared to a laptop? i wanna sell my laptop and use Prime all the time insted, btw how did you use you phones internet? thats called tethering? or some bluetooth function ?
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When using it as a replacement for a netbook, the device works really well. But one has to keep in mind that it is a content-consumption device. You can draw sketches here or write essays, but it is really something that you should consider as a replacement for netbook if you mostly watch movies or surf the internet on your netbook. You are still faster with a netbook if you need to do more intensive work.
But pay attention that I said 'netbook', not laptop. Laptop is still a better device, if you don't have a desktop PC, then I suggest keeping laptop around, since at times it is simply needed to 'create' more than consume. You cannot develop on Android, really edit videos or photoshop pictures or do extensive office work.
When it comes to sharing the internet then yes, I have an unlimited data plan on my phone so I can easily tether my 3G connection. It is not as fast as tablet itself having a 3G, but it is still quite good. I don't stream videos on my tablet usually or if I do, I have a better WiFi connection somewhere. For on-the-go use, it works really well.
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Some people also requested I post a picture of the dock that has Russian letters. It is a US dock, but if you select Russian as Android language, you can easily use the dock as well, since it shows where the letters are located. For Estonians (if any of you are out there), there is no Estonian layout supported sadly and from what I was told, there won't be one. Contents of the TF201 box however are Estonian, it has Estonian manual and everything.
Why was this thread moved to 'accessories'?
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Some people also requested I post a picture of the dock that has Russian letters. It is a US dock, but if you select Russian as Android language, you can easily use the dock as well, since it shows where the letters are located. For Estonians (if any of you are out there), there is no Estonian layout supported sadly and from what I was told, there won't be one. Contents of the TF201 box however are Estonian, it has Estonian manual and everything.
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Thanks for this info. But I have a question, sorry my stupidity. What does "it shows where the letters are located" mean? There is no secondary letter set on a US keyboard dock (you said it is a US dock). And the only way in my opinion is - to have a Russian phonetic layout added to ASUS keyboard, so it will be possible to use US dock and type in Russian for those do not remember by heart location of Russian "QWERTY" layout ("ЙЦУКЕН"). I am looking desperately for this possibility - with Russian phonetic layout for ASUS keyboard life will be perfect . I can type Russian using on-screen keyboard but this is not nice when using dock. If you have any info about this - it will be very helpful.
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Thanks for this info. But I have a question, sorry my stupidity. What does "it shows where the letters are located" mean? There is no secondary letter set on a US keyboard dock (you said it is a US dock). And the only way in my opinion is - to have a Russian phonetic layout added to ASUS keyboard, so it will be possible to use US dock and type in Russian for those do not remember by heart location of Russian "QWERTY" layout ("ЙЦУКЕН"). I am looking desperately for this possibility - with Russian phonetic layout for ASUS keyboard life will be perfect . I can type Russian using on-screen keyboard but this is not nice when using dock. If you have any info about this - it will be very helpful.
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In the keyboard dock picture he attached you can see the actual Russian phonetic layout on the buttons, so it's not exactly the US dock, but like a US dock with Russian phonetic layout added to the buttons.
I've seen so many people just obsessed with getting the external keyboard. Basically turns the tablet into an Android laptop. I have several laptops in my home and the last thing I would want to add to my tablet is a keyboard. The IPS touch screen is capable of a 10 finger process and is very easy to use with your fingers, the way it was intended. Why is there such a big thing about having a keyboard for a tablet? I really thought the whole idea of getting a touch screen was to eliminate input devices and use the touch screen. Also, if you wanted a keyboard with your tablet why didn't you buy a laptop instead, since for $500-$600 you could have gotten a fairly decent one. I'm just curious, that's all.
Have you tried doing any long-form typing with an on-screen keyboard? It's unpleasant, to say the least. Also, the extra 6 hours of battery life doesn't hurt.
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I've seen so many people just obsessed with getting the external keyboard. Basically turns the tablet into an Android laptop. I have several laptops in my home and the last thing I would want to add to my tablet is a keyboard. The IPS touch screen is capable of a 10 finger process and is very easy to use with your fingers, the way it was intended. Why is there such a big thing about having a keyboard for a tablet? I really thought the whole idea of getting a touch screen was to eliminate input devices and use the touch screen. Also, if you wanted a keyboard with your tablet why didn't you buy a laptop instead, since for $500-$600 you could have gotten a fairly decent one. I'm just curious, that's all.
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I wanted the dock for a few reasons.
1. It gives me a tablet then I can turn into a laptop for typing things like this faster and easier.
2. Let's me have a tablet and not have to worry about the keyboard when I don't need or want the dock.
All in all I think the dock was worth what was paid for it. It makes this tablet more than just a tablet. And once we get an unlocked bootloader hopefully someone will port some sort of linux flavor onto here so I can dualboot and have a true laptop if I need to.
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I've seen so many people just obsessed with getting the external keyboard. Basically turns the tablet into an Android laptop. I have several laptops in my home and the last thing I would want to add to my tablet is a keyboard. The IPS touch screen is capable of a 10 finger process and is very easy to use with your fingers, the way it was intended. Why is there such a big thing about having a keyboard for a tablet? I really thought the whole idea of getting a touch screen was to eliminate input devices and use the touch screen. Also, if you wanted a keyboard with your tablet why didn't you buy a laptop instead, since for $500-$600 you could have gotten a fairly decent one. I'm just curious, that's all.
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I actually agree with you (and am thinking of selling my keyboard - couldn't buy it without it). However: (1) the tablet and keyboard together are still tiny and light (2) they are much more functional for things involving typing than just the tablet (3) for $500 to $600 you would never have got something this portable with such a battery life.
The keyboard is not for all (eg you) but I can easily see the point of it.
1. Sometimes having a keyboard us just nice. This is especially true when you need to input a large amount on information.
2. Clamshell design protects the screen.
3. Battery extender
4. USB port for peripherals.
5. Standard size SD card for easier compatibility with things like digital cameras. For example, take a high speed sdcard from a DSLR and use Photoshop touch to quickly edit and from there you can use the hdmi to project onto a flat panel.
6. Keyboard dock + wireless usb mouse + RDP client = win.
if you can't see the benefit, maybe the transformer isn't for you
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I've seen so many people just obsessed with getting the external keyboard. Basically turns the tablet into an Android laptop. I have several laptops in my home and the last thing I would want to add to my tablet is a keyboard. The IPS touch screen is capable of a 10 finger process and is very easy to use with your fingers, the way it was intended. Why is there such a big thing about having a keyboard for a tablet? I really thought the whole idea of getting a touch screen was to eliminate input devices and use the touch screen. Also, if you wanted a keyboard with your tablet why didn't you buy a laptop instead, since for $500-$600 you could have gotten a fairly decent one. I'm just curious, that's all.
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typing
accessing main pc using splashtop is much easier with a keyboard and mouse
substitute for my netbook that has gone to Thailand with my daughter
do not have a laptop and I wanted a tablet
laptops do not let me take the screen off and read in bed
difficult to sit on the sofa with a laptop
cannot afford a tablet and a laptop
Laptops are not as portable as a tablet and it I do not want to take a laptop with me at times.
How many laptops would give me such good battery life (mine will do over 16 hours with dock) in such a sweet package...Me I like the versatility of the little beast
It also works as an effin good cover when it is docked.
Oh!.......... and the look on peeps faces when you remove the screen from yer little netbook and start using it as a tablet.
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Have to say I was surprised to see this question. The most attractive part of the keyboard is the extended battery life. The sd card slot adds options for additional storage at hand, which is great if you don't have the best internet connection available. I use mine for videos and movies that i don't want cluttering up my micro SD. The USB port is great to for attaching a ps3 controller for gaming instead of going out to buy a new controller.
Added features aside, There have been many occasions when the on screen keyboard just didn't cut it. Its nice for short stuff (like this) but when im taking notes while someone is talking or trying to plan out something major it nice to have a keyboard. Why not just use a laptop? Well for one, tablets are a helluva lot more portable. The program access speed is also beyond compare, which is the whole reason to get a tablet in the first place.
It's really hard to get away with asking why get a tablet with a keyboard vs getting a laptop because its like comparing apple to pc.
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1. Sometimes having a keyboard us just nice. This is especially true when you need to input a large amount on information.
2. Clamshell design protects the screen.
3. Battery extender
4. USB port for peripherals.
5. Standard size SD card for easier compatibility with things like digital cameras. For example, take a high speed sdcard from a DSLR and use Photoshop touch to quickly edit and from there you can use the hdmi to project onto a flat panel.
6. Keyboard dock + wireless usb mouse + RDP client = win.
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Everything this guy said.
Actually I had the same thought about just having a tablet..let alone with a keyboard. mostly this is because a laptop can do everything the tablet does and more.
Tablets are all about form factor and convenience. Thin, light, fun...instant on...probably 3-4x battery life...more with the dock.
When I go to work I bring my laptop...the tablet is of limited use.
When I am relaxing at home or on vacation I would much rather the tablet.
The keyboard is nice for the reasons stated previously...but there is something to be said for the combined touch screen and keyboard browsing experience.
I am excited to see what windows 8 will bring to the table combined with a tablet like the tf201. Devices like these may one day replace laptops...especially netbooks.
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Also, compared to something like an ultrabook, you give up processing power, but you gain convenience. Android is a much better platform for a touch interface and the apps and widgets reflect this as well. Lastly, you can't rip the screen off of an ultrabook and use it as a tablet.
this is the biggest waste of thread ever. until you LIVE with the dock for a week you will now what the hype is all about
until then is useless for us to tell you what is like..
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easy answer. the appeal of this tablet IS the keyboard.
its what makes it different from all the other tablets out there. think about it. there are a lot of 10" tablets with more being announced all the time so the product needs something to differentiate it from others.
1. it's the first quad core tablet
2. it's the first tablet to run ICS
3. it's got a fully functional dock.
but other tablets have keyboards I hear you cry. yeah, but not like this one. with a usb slot, sd slot and a tight functioning hinge to turn the tablet into a laptop.
anyone can get a standalone keyboard for a tablet, but now you have to faff about with stands, having somewhere to lay it all out to use it. you don't need to with the prime, it clicks together into a single unit so you can use it properly on your lap, out and about.
I could have bought a lot of different tablets, I waited for this one because it is, as I see it, a convergence device.
it can do media, it can do music, it can do video. but when I want it to, it can be more than that, thanks to the dock.
If I wanted a device for gaming and media and internet? I would not need a keyboard and I would have likely bought an iPad 2, which is a better device for all of those three activities.
But keyboard is what makes not only Transformer Prime worth it for me, but in fact makes a tablet worth it for me. The 'added benefits' of a keyboard are obviously the additional USB and SD options as well as added battery life, which easily makes it possible to use the device throughout the day actively without any worry about battery no matter what you are doing.
But the real benefit of keyboard dock is, of course, the keyboard itself. Android keyboard is really well done, the buttons are not just a modifications of a PC keyboard, but make sense. The old F1-F12 is replaced with much more accurate Android-specific buttons and it is all around a great Android keyboard. But really, keyboard is great for typing. It is really good for meetings and schoolwork in ways where touch keyboard is not just inadequate but simply bad, since with touch keyboard you have to look at the keyboard while typing (and if you're a fast keyboard typer you know you never really do that).
To sum things up, without the keyboard I would not own TF201, in fact I would not own a tablet at all. It replaces all of my netbook needs. Having and maintaining more than three devices is a clutter for me. I do my work at my desktop computer or mostly stationary work laptop, I use my Android phone for on-the-go internet, texting and gaming and Transformer Prime as both content-consumption device and entertainment as well as light work and meetings/lectures.
OP is short sighted and missing the point.
The keyboard is an accessory. It turns the prime into a workable laptop, WHEN YOU WANT IT TO.
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I might even go so far to call this a poor trolling attempt.
Tablet alone is great for reading or watching stuff. As soon as I want to do any text entry beyond tying in an URL, I start wanting the keyboard.
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Tablet alone is great for reading or watching stuff. As soon as I want to do any text entry beyond tying in an URL, I start wanting the keyboard.
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opentoe said:
I've seen so many people just obsessed with getting the external keyboard. Basically turns the tablet into an Android ultrabook. I have several laptops in my home and the last thing I would want to add to my tablet is a keyboard. The IPS touch screen is capable of a 10 finger process and is very easy to use with your fingers, the way it was intended. Why is there such a big thing about having a keyboard for a tablet? I really thought the whole idea of getting a touch screen was to eliminate input devices and use the touch screen. Also, if you wanted a keyboard with your tablet why didn't you buy a laptop instead, since for $500-$600 you could have gotten a fairly decent one. I'm just curious, that's all.
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fixed.
The Transformer Prime is incomplete without it's keyboard dock.
If you ever want to see the Prime's full potential you have to get the keyboard dock.
Only then will you reach Prime Perfection.
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OK, another take on this. See I'm not and never was a fan of the Transformers, but I was a huge fan of the MMPR, which use mechs just like the Transformers. So when I see the Transformer Prime tablet by itself, I think of it as being a single Zord, with myself in command as I own it.
I call upon it when I have to duke it out with other tablet foes (iPad, Galaxy Tab, Playbook).
But when the situation gets tough I kick it into high gear and call on the keyboard dock that combines with the Prime Zord to form the mighty Mega Prime Zord.
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it makes the tablet 3" thick!
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it makes the tablet 3" thick!
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Id revise this to Don't get it if its your ONLY case. I actualy like using mine with Evernote for coursework. When I dont need the keyboad, I use another case.
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it makes the tablet 3" thick!
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The keyboard case is about the only way I carry mine. I have a nice laptop that sees almost no use now. Great keyboard btw.
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Thoughts on Keyboard Folio
The main problem for Android for me has been typing. I've spent hours getting used to swipe technology because I hate softkey keyboards, then came along this little keyboard folio.
At first I regretted buying it. I spent $90+ to get it, and as soon as it showed up I was unhappy. But then I started using it. The way that the tablet itself is not connected to the keyboard is a little bit awkward. You only can place the tablet at 3 viewing angles which vary by only a few degrees, rendering them almost useless. The folio case also takes up the full size USB slot, which was one of the best features of it imo. Also, the way it slides in and out of the slot does not seem like it would stand up against a lot of use.
That being said, getting this case literally redefined how I use my device. UX is now no longer a problem at all. The keys are individual, and spaced at a perfect distance so typing on it comes very naturally. Instead of a tablet, it seems like I have an android netbook now. I am a web designer/developer by trade. Using the tablet by itself is perfect for designing, the adobe touch apps are great, however I was never able to code due to the lack of a keyboard. This folio has changed that.
I recognize that half of my excitement over the folio is just the fact that I am using a keyboard with an android device, and that can be achieved simply by plugging in a regular USB keyboard into it, however after a little use, I rarely take the tablet out of the folio unless I am designing.
I like the keyboard. But I have in my bag and use it when I need heavy typing. Very impressed with the quality of it, there is some issues however, if you don't use the native english version. Then you'r at times stuck, with ENG layout, which can be rather annoying.
I find mine indespensible. If I'm not mistaken, it's the fastest for coding in Android from powerup to first keystroke, even on pokey stock ROM. The speed of getting hooked up with BT isn't something I like. The battery drain is a hassle for me, too. Granted, I use it mostly for typing rather useless stuff like this, but I really like it. It's a one-of-a-kind at the moment.
Yes, it's about 1.25 inches (33mm) thick, not counting the magnetic flap closure. The TPT in my Sikai case is 15/16 of an inch (23mm), but it doesn't seem like it thanks to its design. They could have worked a little harder on either the aesthetic or the actual depth. It's definitely not slick looking, but its a great workhorse. For criminy, it's Lenovo. What do you expect?
I think it's a transitional gadget, perhaps ahead of its time. They will get thinner. We will be jealous. We'll get the fourth gen and be smug for a month or two. But for now, we have the only one.
I just got my tablet yesterday, but so far I really like the keyboard folio. I do a lot of posting on various forums as well as document editing for clients. My only complaint with the folio is with the trackpoint. I was hoping it would be a traditional trackpoint. I find myself having to get used to rubbing my finger over the trackpoint instead of just pushing it in the direction I want the mouse to go. However as I use it more and more, I will get used to it.
In the realm of what I really want is a backlit keyboard. I would prefer if it was kind of like the Asus keyboard dock in that it offered additional battery life when in use. That beings said this is a rev 1 product and I am sure in the future things will improve. As it stands now I am about 90% satisfied with it the way it is.
Regarding the tablet in general I wasn't too sure about moving to a 10' device over my Nook tablet, but last night I read a book on it just fine when it was out of the folio, and difference in weight didn't bother me one bit. I love this thing.
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I also bought the keyboard folio and it makes the TPT heavier and thicker. It would only fit(snug) on my 11 inch sleeve case.
I like to use the keyboard folio when I am replying to emails, but it drains the TPT battery faster so I always have it plugged in to a power source.
And the magnets are very strong (compass apks will be useless)
Function keys
Has anyone found a solution to using the Fx keys? (F1-F12) I need them to use some work apps in Citrix. Besides that this keyboard is awesome.
Great for travel
I use mine quite a bit for travel when I don't want to bring a laptop and a tablet. This gives me just enough laptop functionality on the go and tablet when I need it.
Bummer, I wish I'd seen this thread before I ordered my keyboard today. It was on sale on the Australian Lenovo site for AUD$60, reduced from $90 and freight was free. I have a 10" netbook which I have just upgraded with a Vertex SSD but I prefer not to cart it about everywhere with me as it needs to go in my motorcycle backpack. It seems like they will be about the same size in the end. Sigh..
I can't really complain though, I picked up the 16Gb ThinkPad on a 1 hour sale for AUD$249 so in the end it's a pretty cheap solution for an iPad killing android tab, especially now I've upgraded it to ICS which I much prefer over Honeycomb.
All I'm waiting now is for a rooting solution for ICS on this pad, that will be brilliant.
If anyone has one of these they want to sell, i'll take it for a good price.
Better than it just lying around ya?
I received mine. It's not too bad and protects my tab in my backpack.
I don't use it at home unless I am using a citrix client in a window where I am unable to use the native ICS keyboard.
ghirsh said:
I use mine quite a bit for travel when I don't want to bring a laptop and a tablet. This gives me just enough laptop functionality on the go and tablet when I need it.
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Works great when you want to leave the laptop at home.
Can anyone enlighten me on the performance of the screen digitizer.
I have been testing several note taking applications on my TFP. Although I have lousy handwriting the TFP makes it even worse. At first I blamed myself and the rather clumsy big tipped stylus and to improve the results I downloaded Touchscreen Tuner. A nice application but minimal improvement.
Then I also noticed it is impossible to draw accurate on the TFP.
A straight horizontal or vertical line is possible but when you try to draw a straight diagonal line it becomes a wave line. Now I really got worried. Maybe my drinking habits had given me this unsteady hand. So I got out a ruler and drew a diagonal line along it. I was relieved that I could continue drinking but what a shock to see the result. Again the diagonal line turned out as a wave line. (See the screen shot)
It turns out the grid of the digitizer is much too widely spaced. I estimate the distance between grid points at about 5 millimeters. And apparently the algorithm to interpolate between the grid points is so insufficient that a contact on the digitizer between two grid points is regarded as a contact with the nearest grid point. The algorithm doesn’t calculate a point in between.
Another way to see this is when you pick up an icon on the home screen and slowly drag it diagonally across the screen. It will not follow your finger or stylus smoothly but it will sway from left to right and stay behind a bit and then catch up again.
A big plus for the TFP for me was the possibility to accurately draw and take notes while working in the field.
As it is advertized and showed by Asus in promotional videos.
That is also what the Notes application was designed for.
Again I am afraid that Asus has (next to GPS, Wifi/BT issues, performance and screen faults) promised us to much goodies to be true.
Does anyone have a solution to this shortcoming or maybe can test if they can reproduce my findings. Maybe it is a malfunction in my TFP.
Please let me know your solutions or findings.
By the way. I also tested a HTC Sensation, a HTC HD and an Ipad 2. On these devices it is perfectly possible to draw a perfectly straight diagonal line.
Seems the behavior is the same on my TFP, except that I tried drawing the diagonal with my finger and it came out a lot straighter than your screenshot. Not nearly as straight as horizontal and vertical lines though, but less waves that what you're showing.
I used a Belkin stylus.
To draw the line I used the edge of a magazin.
I tried to apply equal presure and speed while drawing.
The issue is best seen in a diagonal line under 45 degrees.
There is an app on the market to tune the touchscreen for this and Galaxy Tab, it helps a ton. Touchscreen Tune I think its called.
It is $5 though but with the app, good freewriting application and a decent pen, handwriting is a lot easier.
agentdr8 said:
Seems the behavior is the same on my TFP, except that I tried drawing the diagonal with my finger and it came out a lot straighter than your screenshot. Not nearly as straight as horizontal and vertical lines though, but less waves that what you're showing.
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It largely depends on the speed you draw it. If you go really fast its pretty straight. Go really slow and its wavy as hell
Maybe I am drunk....
The finer the stylus the wavier the line. Used my finger, no waves.
Use the application mentioned above....
I had a jot pro with a similar problem, except my writing varied greatly based on pressure. If I pressed down hard enough it would write like you would expect, but otherwise it did some crazy stuff. Might just be that particular stylus though
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There is an app on the market to tune the touchscreen for this and Galaxy Tab, it helps a ton. Touchscreen Tune I think its called.
It is $5 though but with the app, good freewriting application and a decent pen, handwriting is a lot easier.
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Use the application mentioned above....
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redandblack1287 said:
I had a jot pro with a similar problem, except my writing varied greatly based on pressure. If I pressed down hard enough it would write like you would expect, but otherwise it did some crazy stuff. Might just be that particular stylus though
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I've got the same experience with the Wacom Bamboo Stylus.
I've had no trouble writing in supernote or 7notes (the keyboard part), ditto for Sketchbook Pro except I naturally draw crappy. My handwriting with the Jot is fine though.
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I've had no trouble writing in supernote or 7notes (the keyboard part), ditto for Sketchbook Pro except I naturally draw crappy. My handwriting with the Jot is fine though.
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I am not asking if people have proper handwriting.
I think the grid spacing is to wide.
But maybe it's my Prime.
Can you post a screenshot of a perfect diagonal line made in Supernote.
This is a well known and well documented issue. It is present on loads of devices. There have been a few threads about this already.
Here is an image from a test that was done quite some time ago.
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I realize that it's an old picture and really this should have been eliminated by now, but unfortunately it is what it is.
I see what you mean in supernote, tried uploading both an export from supernote and Sketchbook Pro but Tapatalk isn't quite working for it :/
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I have the same issue and have logged a call with Asus support. I suggest anyone who has this issue also does the same.
I have two primes and they both do this. 32gb champagne gold, both C series serial numbers.
Wow, a bunch of newbies giving advice to each other. Here's what my regular notes look like. Tf101 with adonit jot. Tf101 and 201 have same screen.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38673648/pictures/writepad_stylus_sample.pdf
If you don't know how to adapt, then don't try.
That was rude.
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You are wrong on this. Touchscreen definitely has different chip in TF201 (Atmel)!
Also isn't your handwriting done while zoomed in?
So obviously you don't have a TF201.
And obviously the hardware (and also the screen) is totally different.
But if you are willing to help us out and explain to us what we are doing wrong we would be gratefull.
If not then i think you should get back to the TF101 forum.
It is of no use posting an image of what you can do on your TF101.
I can post multiple pictures of the complicated things I can do with pen and papier.
;-)
But that is not the reason why we bought a TF201.
I hope there is someone out there that can help.
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So obviously you don't have a TF201.
And obviously the hardware (and also the screen) is totally different.
But if you are willing to help us out and explain to us what we are doing wrong we would be gratefull.
If not then i think you should get back to the TF101 forum.
It is of no use posting an image of what you can do on your TF101.
I can post multiple pictures of the complicated things I can do with pen and papier.
;-)
But that is not the reason why we bought a TF201.
I hope there is someone out there that can help.
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What you are doing wrong is you're not adapting. You're trying to use it like pen and paper. When the tf101 first came out, there were many whiners who came to FDA whining that the tf doesn't feel like a laptop.
Imagine people trying to use pen and paper like chisel and hammer on stones. Or imagine people trying to use the desktop like a typewriter.
The jot on tf doesn't feel like pen on paper. Why? Because its not pen on paper. Adapt or move on. Imagine flying an airplane like driving a car. Complain about that.
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The point I was trying to make is this. Yeah, I zoom in when I write. So? It gives me the freedom to draw out more details than I can with pen on paper. I can also change colors at will. Don't have to carry around all the notebooks and stuff. It took me may be 2 note taking sessions to get use to it. I don't even think about it anymore. And I can just print out the pdf of my notes whenever I want.
Stop trying to use this like pen and paper. Zoom in, do whatever you need to to adapt. Our ancestors adapted from chisel and hammer to pen and paper. And now you're trying to use a stylus on tablet like pen and paper? Why not complain that a car doesn't ride like a horse? Or a train doesn't ride like a horse pulled ferry?
Do what you need to to adapt. If you can't adapt, move on. No need to get stressed out by it.
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What you are doing wrong is you're not adapting. You're trying to use it like pen and paper. When the tf101 first came out, there were many whiners who came to FDA whining that the tf doesn't feel like a laptop.
Imagine people trying to use pen and paper like chisel and hammer on stones. Or imagine people trying to use the desktop like a typewriter.
The jot on tf doesn't feel like pen on paper. Why? Because its not pen on paper. Adapt or move on. Imagine flying an airplane like driving a car. Complain about that.
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The point I was trying to make is this. Yeah, I zoom in when I write. So? It gives me the freedom to draw out more details than I can with pen on paper. I can also change colors at will. Don't have to carry around all the notebooks and stuff. It took me may be 2 note taking sessions to get use to it. I don't even think about it anymore. And I can just print out the pdf of my notes whenever I want.
Stop trying to use this like pen and paper. Zoom in, do whatever you need to to adapt. Our ancestors adapted from chisel and hammer to pen and paper. And now you're trying to use a stylus on tablet like pen and paper? Why not complain that a car doesn't ride like a horse? Or a train doesn't ride like a horse pulled ferry?
Do what you need to to adapt. If you can't adapt, move on. No need to get stressed out by it.
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Your notes look good, would you mind giving some tips or maybe starting another thread with some tips on how to take notes using a stylus and what not. For example, are you writing in portrait mode or landscape? It looks like portrait but I don't know of that's due to formatting. Any tips would be appreciated. I'd like to be able to use mine for notes on occasion even though my livescribe pen handles notes just fine.
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I bought the Tab S4 yesterday August 10th at Best Buy in Chicago (or its suburb to be more precise) and bought the Keyboard Cover since they have a deal on it for $80 with the 64GB tablet purchase.
Review:
Having just recently purchased the Tab S3 (I have a tech obsession problem) with its companion keyboard cover, I can compare them. For whatever reason, the Tab S3 keyboard cover is better all around, from attachment method to way you use it. This one is just terrible on every front.
Pros:
-Activates Dex mode
-The keys are responsive.
Cons:
-The way the tablet fits into this cover via snapping into a holder. I liked the magnetic setup of the Tab S3's type cover
-While it is clearly a slightly larger cover than the Tab S3, it feels 50% to 100% heavier. When the tablet itself is only about 10% heavier than the Tab S3's Tablet.
-The wrist rest terminates into a hard rounded ridge, so it feels like you're typing in a well. Where on the Tab S3 there is about an inch of rest there.
-Given the black color, and wider border on the sides of the keyboard, it makes it feel more cramped than the Tab S3 though they're the exact same size.
-Just like with the Tab S3, I wished there were secondary functions and a FN key, instead we get a lang and keyboard key.
-Because this doesn't have a home button and there isn't a shortcut I found to act as a home key, you have to swipe up on the screen to hit home (if you hide your navigation keys). Not the best.
-The texture on the case itself feels gross, cheap, and rubbery. So YAY, it won't slide around, but the soft touch feel of the Tab S3 cover feels better and more premium.
-There's a cutout for the camera, the Tab S3 covers its up. Living in a dusty environment, it just means its a nice new well for dust to get trapped in.
Conclusion:
They could have done better. I'd get rid of the ridge in the front since it hits the fat of your hand at a sharp and awkward angle, and I bet that would make this infinitely better.
appreciate the review.
in addition to all your points, i wish it also had more than a single angle.
Is it a good every day case? I have a Tab S2 (8") and the official case (the one that snaps into the holes on the back of the tablet).
Most if the time I'll be using the tablet out of Dex mode. When folded behind the tablet does the keyboard get in the way? Should I buy another non keyboard case for every day use?
Slave1 said:
Is it a good every day case? I have a Tab S2 (8") and the official case (the one that snaps into the holes on the back of the tablet).
Most if the time I'll be using the tablet out of Dex mode. When folded behind the tablet does the keyboard get in the way? Should I buy another non keyboard case for every day use?
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Yeah, you do have a good point, but there are lighter options out there. Being able to literally compare both the Tab S4's keyboard case and the Tab S3's side to side is what made me annoyed with this years take on the keyboard case, especially since they really hit it out of the park with last year's.
I wish the keyboard case had an easy way to open and just lay flat. It appears it will lay flat but have the keyboard exposed on the bottom, or you can rotate slightly to lay flat with the keyboard protected under the tablet but several rows of keys are still exposed. I liked the way the S3 cover had several angles including one that had the device lay flat for reading.
Glad I'm Getting mine free through Samsung. Doesn't sound worth the price
The keyboard cover sucks IMO. I ordered an $8 magnet case and will be using my faithful old Logitech K480 for my typing needs.
without a touchpad this is a non starter for me.
I wrote a critical review on the Samsung store website. I wonder if it will make it past moderation.
rickyray9 said:
I wrote a critical review on the Samsung store website. I wonder if it will make it past moderation.
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The pen snaps into the holder if you put it in tip first, if it doesn't click it will fall out, but it extremely safe when snapped in. Dont have keyboard version, but same holder on book cover(nice case btw)
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The pen snaps into the holder if you put it in tip first, if it doesn't click it will fall out, but it extremely safe when snapped in. Dont have keyboard version, but same holder on book cover(nice case btw)
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That's weird. My pen clicks in on the keyboard cover. Yes, it requires some pressure but then it just makes a nice audible "click" and I doubt it will just fall out by itself.
Yes exactly. That's what I'm saying
Thanks for the review OP. I was thinking of getting the samsung keyboard cover. but after spending a $1000 for my tab s4 256 lte Korean version. I checked my old gadgets box and I found my foldable bluetooth keyboard+trackpad. It worked just fine! easy to carry. works with Dex too!
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Yeah, you do have a good point, but there are lighter options out there. Being able to literally compare both the Tab S4's keyboard case and the Tab S3's side to side is what made me annoyed with this years take on the keyboard case, especially since they really hit it out of the park with last year's.
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I hope I like the Tab S4's keyboard cover when it arrives more than you do.
I have a Tab S3 with keyboard cover and, although its keyboard has great action, it also has many shortcomings: no camera cut-out in the moulding, no proper place for the pen, no closed cover detection by the tablet, and so on.
Samsung has yet to "hit it out of the park" with these covers. Even if they had designed it perfectly, the accompanying price tag is absurd. The only way the keyboard cover made sense on the Tab S3 and now again on the Tab S4 is as a freebie with a pre-ordered tablet, which is how I've done it both times. As much as I like the keyboard in use, I certainly wouldn't dream of paying €150 for it.
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-Because this doesn't have a home button and there isn't a shortcut I found to act as a home key, you have to swipe up on the screen to hit home (if you hide your navigation keys). Not the best.
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Just a quick note here - there is a shortcut for home. It's listed as Meta + Enter in the settings. It took me quite a while to figure out that Meta is the search key right next to Ctrl on keyboard cover, but it works like a charm. There's couple other shortcuts (for back, for displaying notifications), and there's a shortcut for displaying shortcuts, Meta + / (otherwise, the list is buried deep in the settings under physical keyboard). Note that this is context sensitive - the shortcut list is a bit different in Dex mode and it also shows applications shortcuts in certain applications like Chrome.
The only thing I am missing is the ability to change the shortcuts mappings/create my own.
Have the free keyboards started to arrive in the UK?
pdes said:
Have the free keyboards started to arrive in the UK?
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Still waiting for mine but it has now moved up to processed
Sold mine, pretty useless for a $150 cover esp. since it doesn't wake the tablet or have a touchpad for true dex mode. Got a K480 and bluetooth mouse combo for $20 that works way better for DeX.
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Just a quick note here - there is a shortcut for home. It's listed as Meta + Enter in the settings. It took me quite a while to figure out that Meta is the search key right next to Ctrl on keyboard cover, but it works like a charm. There's couple other shortcuts (for back, for displaying notifications), and there's a shortcut for displaying shortcuts, Meta + / (otherwise, the list is buried deep in the settings under physical keyboard). Note that this is context sensitive - the shortcut list is a bit different in Dex mode and it also shows applications shortcuts in certain applications like Chrome.
The only thing I am missing is the ability to change the shortcuts mappings/create my own.
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I'm having a heck of a time figuring out how to use the keyboard (not in Dex mode). For example, If I try to type a question mark, it should be Shift+6 I would think, but I get a ^ like a regular keyboard. I've tried every combination of shift, control, search key (Meta), alt, Alt Gr etc with 6 but there is no way I can produce a ?. Some of the other keys work with the shift key but some do not.
I haven't been able to find any explanations or instructions other than the small pop-up screen in the keyboard settings. I'd appreciate any pointers as to where I can find the instructions.
khocking said:
I'm having a heck of a time figuring out how to use the keyboard (not in Dex mode). For example, If I try to type a question mark, it should be Shift+6 I would think, but I get a ^ like a regular keyboard. I've tried every combination of shift, control, search key (Meta), alt, Alt Gr etc with 6 but there is no way I can produce a ?. Some of the other keys work with the shift key but some do not.
I haven't been able to find any explanations or instructions other than the small pop-up screen in the keyboard settings. I'd appreciate any pointers as to where I can find the instructions.
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Why would Shift+6 be question mark? It's '^' on mine. Did you somehow managed get French version of the keyboard or something? Mine has standard US layout as seen in the attachment here:
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And yes, using different keyboard layout is kind of tricky - you first have to have it add it for on-screen keyboard (General Management -> On-screen keyboard -> Samunsung Keyboard -> Manage Input Languages) and then you can configure it for keyboard cover (General Management -> Physical Keyboard -> (choose your language) -> (choose layout) . Plus it's very limited, I'd like to use different layout for my 2nd language keyboard but can't do that.