I bought the Tab S4 yesterday August 10th at Best Buy in Chicago (or its suburb to be more precise) and bought the Keyboard Cover since they have a deal on it for $80 with the 64GB tablet purchase.
Review:
Having just recently purchased the Tab S3 (I have a tech obsession problem) with its companion keyboard cover, I can compare them. For whatever reason, the Tab S3 keyboard cover is better all around, from attachment method to way you use it. This one is just terrible on every front.
Pros:
-Activates Dex mode
-The keys are responsive.
Cons:
-The way the tablet fits into this cover via snapping into a holder. I liked the magnetic setup of the Tab S3's type cover
-While it is clearly a slightly larger cover than the Tab S3, it feels 50% to 100% heavier. When the tablet itself is only about 10% heavier than the Tab S3's Tablet.
-The wrist rest terminates into a hard rounded ridge, so it feels like you're typing in a well. Where on the Tab S3 there is about an inch of rest there.
-Given the black color, and wider border on the sides of the keyboard, it makes it feel more cramped than the Tab S3 though they're the exact same size.
-Just like with the Tab S3, I wished there were secondary functions and a FN key, instead we get a lang and keyboard key.
-Because this doesn't have a home button and there isn't a shortcut I found to act as a home key, you have to swipe up on the screen to hit home (if you hide your navigation keys). Not the best.
-The texture on the case itself feels gross, cheap, and rubbery. So YAY, it won't slide around, but the soft touch feel of the Tab S3 cover feels better and more premium.
-There's a cutout for the camera, the Tab S3 covers its up. Living in a dusty environment, it just means its a nice new well for dust to get trapped in.
Conclusion:
They could have done better. I'd get rid of the ridge in the front since it hits the fat of your hand at a sharp and awkward angle, and I bet that would make this infinitely better.
appreciate the review.
in addition to all your points, i wish it also had more than a single angle.
Is it a good every day case? I have a Tab S2 (8") and the official case (the one that snaps into the holes on the back of the tablet).
Most if the time I'll be using the tablet out of Dex mode. When folded behind the tablet does the keyboard get in the way? Should I buy another non keyboard case for every day use?
Slave1 said:
Is it a good every day case? I have a Tab S2 (8") and the official case (the one that snaps into the holes on the back of the tablet).
Most if the time I'll be using the tablet out of Dex mode. When folded behind the tablet does the keyboard get in the way? Should I buy another non keyboard case for every day use?
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Yeah, you do have a good point, but there are lighter options out there. Being able to literally compare both the Tab S4's keyboard case and the Tab S3's side to side is what made me annoyed with this years take on the keyboard case, especially since they really hit it out of the park with last year's.
I wish the keyboard case had an easy way to open and just lay flat. It appears it will lay flat but have the keyboard exposed on the bottom, or you can rotate slightly to lay flat with the keyboard protected under the tablet but several rows of keys are still exposed. I liked the way the S3 cover had several angles including one that had the device lay flat for reading.
Glad I'm Getting mine free through Samsung. Doesn't sound worth the price
The keyboard cover sucks IMO. I ordered an $8 magnet case and will be using my faithful old Logitech K480 for my typing needs.
without a touchpad this is a non starter for me.
I wrote a critical review on the Samsung store website. I wonder if it will make it past moderation.
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I wrote a critical review on the Samsung store website. I wonder if it will make it past moderation.
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The pen snaps into the holder if you put it in tip first, if it doesn't click it will fall out, but it extremely safe when snapped in. Dont have keyboard version, but same holder on book cover(nice case btw)
gottahavit said:
The pen snaps into the holder if you put it in tip first, if it doesn't click it will fall out, but it extremely safe when snapped in. Dont have keyboard version, but same holder on book cover(nice case btw)
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That's weird. My pen clicks in on the keyboard cover. Yes, it requires some pressure but then it just makes a nice audible "click" and I doubt it will just fall out by itself.
Yes exactly. That's what I'm saying
Thanks for the review OP. I was thinking of getting the samsung keyboard cover. but after spending a $1000 for my tab s4 256 lte Korean version. I checked my old gadgets box and I found my foldable bluetooth keyboard+trackpad. It worked just fine! easy to carry. works with Dex too!
dcoke said:
Yeah, you do have a good point, but there are lighter options out there. Being able to literally compare both the Tab S4's keyboard case and the Tab S3's side to side is what made me annoyed with this years take on the keyboard case, especially since they really hit it out of the park with last year's.
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I hope I like the Tab S4's keyboard cover when it arrives more than you do.
I have a Tab S3 with keyboard cover and, although its keyboard has great action, it also has many shortcomings: no camera cut-out in the moulding, no proper place for the pen, no closed cover detection by the tablet, and so on.
Samsung has yet to "hit it out of the park" with these covers. Even if they had designed it perfectly, the accompanying price tag is absurd. The only way the keyboard cover made sense on the Tab S3 and now again on the Tab S4 is as a freebie with a pre-ordered tablet, which is how I've done it both times. As much as I like the keyboard in use, I certainly wouldn't dream of paying €150 for it.
dcoke said:
-Because this doesn't have a home button and there isn't a shortcut I found to act as a home key, you have to swipe up on the screen to hit home (if you hide your navigation keys). Not the best.
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Just a quick note here - there is a shortcut for home. It's listed as Meta + Enter in the settings. It took me quite a while to figure out that Meta is the search key right next to Ctrl on keyboard cover, but it works like a charm. There's couple other shortcuts (for back, for displaying notifications), and there's a shortcut for displaying shortcuts, Meta + / (otherwise, the list is buried deep in the settings under physical keyboard). Note that this is context sensitive - the shortcut list is a bit different in Dex mode and it also shows applications shortcuts in certain applications like Chrome.
The only thing I am missing is the ability to change the shortcuts mappings/create my own.
Have the free keyboards started to arrive in the UK?
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Have the free keyboards started to arrive in the UK?
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Still waiting for mine but it has now moved up to processed
Sold mine, pretty useless for a $150 cover esp. since it doesn't wake the tablet or have a touchpad for true dex mode. Got a K480 and bluetooth mouse combo for $20 that works way better for DeX.
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Just a quick note here - there is a shortcut for home. It's listed as Meta + Enter in the settings. It took me quite a while to figure out that Meta is the search key right next to Ctrl on keyboard cover, but it works like a charm. There's couple other shortcuts (for back, for displaying notifications), and there's a shortcut for displaying shortcuts, Meta + / (otherwise, the list is buried deep in the settings under physical keyboard). Note that this is context sensitive - the shortcut list is a bit different in Dex mode and it also shows applications shortcuts in certain applications like Chrome.
The only thing I am missing is the ability to change the shortcuts mappings/create my own.
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I'm having a heck of a time figuring out how to use the keyboard (not in Dex mode). For example, If I try to type a question mark, it should be Shift+6 I would think, but I get a ^ like a regular keyboard. I've tried every combination of shift, control, search key (Meta), alt, Alt Gr etc with 6 but there is no way I can produce a ?. Some of the other keys work with the shift key but some do not.
I haven't been able to find any explanations or instructions other than the small pop-up screen in the keyboard settings. I'd appreciate any pointers as to where I can find the instructions.
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I'm having a heck of a time figuring out how to use the keyboard (not in Dex mode). For example, If I try to type a question mark, it should be Shift+6 I would think, but I get a ^ like a regular keyboard. I've tried every combination of shift, control, search key (Meta), alt, Alt Gr etc with 6 but there is no way I can produce a ?. Some of the other keys work with the shift key but some do not.
I haven't been able to find any explanations or instructions other than the small pop-up screen in the keyboard settings. I'd appreciate any pointers as to where I can find the instructions.
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Why would Shift+6 be question mark? It's '^' on mine. Did you somehow managed get French version of the keyboard or something? Mine has standard US layout as seen in the attachment here:
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And yes, using different keyboard layout is kind of tricky - you first have to have it add it for on-screen keyboard (General Management -> On-screen keyboard -> Samunsung Keyboard -> Manage Input Languages) and then you can configure it for keyboard cover (General Management -> Physical Keyboard -> (choose your language) -> (choose layout) . Plus it's very limited, I'd like to use different layout for my 2nd language keyboard but can't do that.
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Have prototype for new type of case that will make the Hermes and other similar slider keyboard PDAs much more useful.
If you were to use your device to everything from sms, email, music, phone etc., where would you want to place it on your body for optimal utility?
Is removing the case while charging a major issue for you?
Which is more important to you form, function or both?
If you had a choice between landscape and portrait modes for your device, which would you choose.
How often do you use the slider keyboard?
Do you use your finger mor than the stylus?
How often do you charge the device? Do you use the extended battery? How many spare batteries do you have for device?
If more than one and is extended, which battery do you use as your primary?
Cannot give much info now, because of R&D and Utility Patent process, however, you are going to want this. Will post more soon with some pics.
Have prototype for new type of case that will make the Hermes and other similar slider keyboard PDAs much more useful.
If you were to use your device to everything from sms, email, music, phone etc., where would you want to place it on your body for optimal utility?
albert: in a pouch. (currently using the Crumpler Thirsty (L))
Is removing the case while charging a major issue for you?
albert: Yes.
If you had a choice between landscape and portrait modes for your device, which would you choose.
albert: both.
How often do you use the slider keyboard?
albert: very often.
How often do you charge the device? Do you use the extended battery? How many spare batteries do you have for device? I have 3.
albert: Charging it everynight with timer. I've 2 original batteries.
Cannot give much info now, because of R&D and Utility Patent process, however, you are going to want this. Will post more soon with some pics.
seq2albert said:
Have prototype for new type of case that will make the Hermes and other similar slider keyboard PDAs much more useful.
If you were to use your device to everything from sms, email, music, phone etc., where would you want to place it on your body for optimal utility?
albert: in a pouch. (currently using the Crumpler Thirsty (L))
Is removing the case while charging a major issue for you?
albert: Yes.
If you had a choice between landscape and portrait modes for your device, which would you choose.
albert: both.
How often do you use the slider keyboard?
albert: very often.
How often do you charge the device? Do you use the extended battery? How many spare batteries do you have for device? I have 3.
albert: Charging it everynight with timer. I've 2 original batteries.
Cannot give much info now, because of R&D and Utility Patent process, however, you are going to want this. Will post more soon with some pics.
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Thanks for responding.
If you were to use your device to everything from sms, email, music, phone etc., where would you want to place it on your body for optimal utility?
It in my right pocket
Is removing the case while charging a major issue for you?
Yes
If you had a choice between landscape and portrait modes for your device, which would you choose.
Both, depend on what I am doing with my device
How often do you use the slider keyboard?
Only when I have many things to type; like email, sms, surfing, ... so, this is quite often
How often do you charge the device? Do you use the extended battery? How many spare batteries do you have for device? I have 3.
Every 2-3 nights, I have no spare battery
Thanks for the info.
1. I prefer a holster on the belt, under left hand. Using one from Petek now.
2. Yes.
3. Mostly portrait, but in rare cases when I need lansdcape I need it immediatelly and now.
4. Rare and see 3.
5. Charge every night. Have no a spare battery and I'd better avoid them at all.
Lurker0 said:
1. I prefer a holster on the belt, under left hand. Using one from Petek now.
2. Yes.
3. Mostly portrait, but in rare cases when I need lansdcape I need it immediatelly and now.
4. Rare and see 3.
5. Charge every night. Have no a spare battery and I'd better avoid them at all.
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Thanks
What was the deciding factor in selecting the Hermes as your device? Superior features such as UMTS, BT 2.0, etc.?
existence said:
Superior features such as UMTS, BT 2.0, etc.?
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There is no 3G here, and BT2.0 with MS stack is quite useless for me (I don't need stereo via BT too).
TyTN replaced my good old SonyEricsson P800. For my use P990 can't even do what P800 did for me. I switched to TyTN because there is software for it that I need, it has outstanding number of buttons, incl. the wheel, for one-hand use, and hardware keyboard that I also need, having even smaller size than P800. I'd get Wizard a year ago if it had the wheel and same set of buttons that Hermes has, though I appreciate Hermes CPU performance too.
By the way, speaking about cases.... I had Piel Frama case for my P800 for more than a year. Then I realized that I feel its (or any other case) inconvenience, but the level of protection is quite useless for me. Then I came to a strap and a horizontal holster with simple leather loops that 100% protect it from falling from the belt. IMHO it is more secure than all these belt clips.
After I fixed the holster at the left side (which was possible because Petek model is universal and has no holes for connectors) I don't stop wondering why right handed people put holsters to the right, and manufacturers design them as such! IMHO phones (and TyTN as one) is designed to be used in the left hand, to use right hand only rarely, to touch buttons, for keyboards and handwriting. After that, most of cases and holsters are no go for me because they are hard to carry at the left side.
Lurker0 said:
There is no 3G here, and BT2.0 with MS stack is quite useless for me (I don't need stereo via BT too).
TyTN replaced my good old SonyEricsson P800. For my use P990 can't even do what P800 did for me. I switched to TyTN because there is software for it that I need, it has outstanding number of buttons, incl. the wheel, for one-hand use, and hardware keyboard that I also need, having even smaller size than P800. I'd get Wizard a year ago if it had the wheel and same set of buttons that Hermes has, though I appreciate Hermes CPU performance too.
By the way, speaking about cases.... I had Piel Frama case for my P800 for more than a year. Then I realized that I feel its (or any other case) inconvenience, but the level of protection is quite useless for me. Then I came to a strap and a horizontal holster with simple leather loops that 100% protect it from falling from the belt. IMHO it is more secure than all these belt clips.
After I fixed the holster at the left side (which was possible because Petek model is universal and has no holes for connectors) I don't stop wondering why right handed people put holsters to the right, and manufacturers design them as such! IMHO phones (and TyTN as one) is designed to be used in the left hand, to use right hand only rarely, to touch buttons, for keyboards and handwriting. After that, most of cases and holsters are no go for me because they are hard to carry at the left side.
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Thanks for the info. It is very useful. Will check out your existing holster case and see how it is configured. Yeah, what comes around goes around, the jog wheel is back until people complain about not having a slider. Sorry about the 3G. However, welcome to the Windows Mobile Community.
It's quite simple but of good quality leather:
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Model 1657-G. Manufacturer's web is www.petek1855.com.
You need to think about overquoting!
Thanks for the pic and link.
Have prototype for new type of case that will make the Hermes and other similar slider keyboard PDAs much more useful.
If you were to use your device to everything from sms, email, music, phone etc., where would you want to place it on your body for optimal utility?
TT: Left forearm, a la Leela from Futurama. (Yes I know it's geeky, but you asked)
Is removing the case while charging a major issue for you?
TT: Nope. It goes on the bedside table when I go to sleep, which is when I charge it. Some kind of cradle I could drop it into and charge then pick up in the morning would be handy though.
Which is more important to you form, function or both?
TT: Function is more important [ see above ], but form is not unimportant.
If you had a choice between landscape and portrait modes for your device, which would you choose.
TT: Varies according to use. If I'm sitting somewhere browsing the internet or reading mail then landscape. If I get a call as I'm walking around, then portrait.
How often do you use the slider keyboard?
Do you use your finger mor than the stylus?
TT: I'm using the keyboard more and more for serious text input as I use the device more for email. Mind you this is the first device I've been able to send mail from over the air. Quick input I generally use the soft input panel. It's getting rarer that I use the stylus now; more my finger when necessary.
How often do you charge the device? Do you use the extended battery? How many spare batteries do you have for device?
If more than one and is extended, which battery do you use as your primary?
TT: Charged every night. There's an extended battery? Don't think I'd need one; power doesn't go below 50% in one day even with heavy use.
Cannot give much info now, because of R&D and Utility Patent process, however, you are going to want this. Will post more soon with some pics.
TT: Look forward to it.
Thanks for your response. I assumed there was an extended battery for this phone like other HTC slider models. I have an XV6700, which has an extended battery. Sounds like you are getting great battery life. When people started carrying around the first portable cellphones such as the Motorola Brick and the forgotten bag transportable, those went from geek to chic. It is a matter of perception.
It is not really named that, but I named it such:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=300492182439&view=all&tid=498928117020
Ordered one to try out. I want something to have a better control for games and Flash content, but VERY portable. This KB will fit in the zip pouch of my slim Case Logic soft case. Not expecting much, but $19 gamble.
Reports are the battery lasts quite awhile, but that assumes the model I get is what others have....
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It is not really named that, but I named it such:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=300492182439&view=all&tid=498928117020
Ordered one to try out. I want something to have a better control for games and Flash content, but VERY portable. This KB will fit in the zip pouch of my slim Case Logic soft case. Not expecting much, but $19 gamble.
Reports are the battery lasts quite awhile, but that assumes the model I get is what others have....
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Was thinking to find a new BT Keyboard with mouse, trackball, JKey... But seems that this one disappeared from ebay... hope you are lucky and got the last one...
Can you post a pic of what this actually looks like? I'd like a small bt keyboard with the emphasis on small since it's something that I wouldn't use all the time but wouldn't mind keeping in my case for when I do.
jtbnet said:
Was thinking to find a new BT Keyboard with mouse, trackball, JKey... But seems that this one disappeared from ebay... hope you are lucky and got the last one...
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I'm considering one as well. Been looking at this one as it looks like it also has a mouse control built into the upper right hard corner. On the TNT Lite build, so mouse support isn't there yet, but hopefully it will. It's close enough in price to the others to be a great value. Even comes with it's own case.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.48849
I really do want something with a full size keyboard though, with a case and BT. Something like this, but for the GTab.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.51165
I purchased this Gear Head USB Mini Touchpad keyboard from Fry's for $29. I wanted to go wireless but since anytime using the tablet you have to be close to it, I figure I can save some money with the USB version.
The keymapping works perfectly.
Home key = Android home button
Windows key = Android menu button
Escape key = Android back button
Cursors keys = Android up, down, left and right
The touchpad works as any other mouse used with your G-Tablet. It's also multitouch. The keyboard volume keys, located above the touchpad, also work. It even has NumLock and CapsLock light indicator. The keyboard is 0.5 inch wider than the tablet.
Here's their website : http://www.pcgearhead.com/keyboards.php
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@marianosf, what ROM are you running? CM6? I just got my GTab today and am going to put TNTLite on it as soon as I get home but would like a ROM with keyboard and mouse support (I don't know if all of them support wired or not).
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@marianosf, what ROM are you running? CM6? I just got my GTab today and am going to put TNTLite on it as soon as I get home but would like a ROM with keyboard and mouse support (I don't know if all of them support wired or not).
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Congrats on your new tablet . I'm using. the VEGAn-Tab ROM.
Hoplon said:
Can you post a pic of what this actually looks like? I'd like a small bt keyboard with the emphasis on small since it's something that I wouldn't use all the time but wouldn't mind keeping in my case for when I do.
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Do not have it yet, but several pics in the eBay link I posted
I wanted something that fits in the Case Logic front zip pouch. I hope it also works with USB cable and not just blue tooth.
The keyboard below seems interesting, but would not fit in the pouch.
marianosf said:
I purchased this Gear Head USB Mini Touchpad keyboard from Fry's for $29.
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How do you like the size of the keyboard? I had a netbook I loved but sold because my bear paw hands couldn't deal with the mini keys.
Do you use the track pad often? I assumed I'd jut touch the screen when I needed to navigate.
I have an Apple keyboard I like and have been looking at this cheepo wire knock off.
I'm too n00b to post links I guess. dealextreme DOT com search for the sku "48597" - $18.60
@sharpfork . My keyboard keys are way smaller than a regular netbook's. If you look at the picture you can see that the trackpad takes away precious space. When I type I can feel my fingers too close together . I think I will return it and get one without the trackpad. Like you mentioned I can just touch the screen when navigating
The keyboard from dealextreme looks nice $$$, a black one would be perfect.
marianosf
i just ordered a well reviewed but cheepo keyboard from newegg. I'm still too n00b to post urls so search for SIIG JK-US0312-S1 Black USB Mini. I'll post some info when i get it. i might try to make some sort of case around it if time allows.
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I picked it up for $14.99 last night. The price is back up to $24.99 this morning.
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I got my Mini Me in. The device has a slightly smaller footprint to my Incredible (KB is taller, same width, but thinner depth than Incredible).
Good news:
For $18 delivered, it is a good build, light but sturdy, good key action and nice bluetooth range. It fits (and then some) in the Case Logic pouch and comes with a pouch, USB cable and stand. IMO, very good package product for the price.
Bad news:
It works with all devices I have tried except the Gtablet. The G sees it and a PIN window pops up and I enter "0000", but the devices fail to pair.
My guess is the this is due to me using TnT 2.40 and not Vegan.... correct?
Attached a pic that is a little dark and was upside down when I took it (hence the date is upside down). Servces the function though of showing size and KB layout. Nice keyboard, IMO. Fits perfect hold holding with two hands- easy to use thumbs to control games.
rushless, I like the KB as it looks perfect. It reminds me of my old xv6800 KB. Too bad it wont pair.
weedahoe said:
rushless, I like the KB as it looks perfect. It reminds me of my old xv6800 KB. Too bad it wont pair.
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If I knew the Vegan rom would work, I may try it, but really like the stability of TnT 2.4.... bluetooth or not.
rushless said:
Bad news:
It works with all devices I have tried except the Gtablet. The G sees it and a PIN window pops up and I enter "0000", but the devices fail to pair.
My guess is the this is due to me using TnT 2.40 and not Vegan.... correct?
Attached a pic that is a little dark and was upside down when I took it (hence the date is upside down). Servces the function though of showing size and KB layout. Nice keyboard, IMO. Fits perfect hold holding with two hands- easy to use thumbs to control games.
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You need to enter the pin on the keyboard then enter while it's trying to pair
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You need to enter the pin on the keyboard then enter while it's trying to pair
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I tried that with 0000 and 1234. At least I get the following message on the Gtablet when pressing "enter" on the micro keyboard "Paired but not connected"
Sad how something so basic does not work.
weedahoe said:
...reminds me of my old xv6800 KB....
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ahh that takes me back to my pre android-fight with the damned thing-and still didn't work days.. but i still kinda miss it..
back to our regularly scheduled program..
rushless said:
I tried that with 0000 and 1234. At least I get the following message on the Gtablet when pressing "enter" on the micro keyboard "Paired but not connected"
Sad how something so basic does not work.
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I got my BT board to work on tnt light (2.00) using the program BlueInput. I have installed the enable alternative keyboard mod, but it works without that by default once it paired and connected to "Blueinput". No mouse support though it see it and pairs with it... but tablet does not use it.
insight3fl said:
I got my BT board to work on tnt light (2.00) using the program BlueInput. I have installed the enable alternative keyboard mod, but it works without that by default once it paired and connected to "Blueinput". No mouse support though it see it and pairs with it... but tablet does not use it.
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Figures- that app is not showing in the market for the Gtablet.
Anyone else having this issue? My spen will launch an app or type characters on the keyboard even when its 1/2 inch away from the screen.. Getting pretty frustrating. I see there's no ability to calibrate the spen either.
There is a way to calibrate the S-Pen over on the international note forum, haven't heard of anyone trying it here. Check it out n let us know if it works, I would but I can't have a note for another 3 months :c
International forum? I heard those guys are pretty rough.. Lol thanks for the tip!
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The spen "phantom" triggers the bottom right of my screen when using it while I'm lying on my back. It irritates the hell out of me.
I think it has to do with the combination of a faulty spen (the nib pushes on the pressure sensor when the pen is inverted) and a poorly calibrated screen.
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Personally, mine doesn't trigger easily enough for my taste. I have to push harder than I'd like to get it to register. Not "hard" per se, but hard enough that the pen almost wants to 'skip' instead of 'slide' across the screen when trying to navigate around. (Talking about the minimum pressure needed to engage swiping and touching, etc). Still completely usable, just wish that it was a wee bit more sensitive so I could just 'glide' the pen around lightly vs pushing it down while moving around.
I'm having the same problem. I just noticed it last night. I was using the s-pen and would get about 1/4" to the screen and it would select apps/options whatever. Kinda annoying
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Yes, I reported the same issue yesterday... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1511230
After exchanging my first Note, the second has the same problem, but over a smaller area. Unfortunately the area affected this time includes part of the keyboard and the bottom row of the launcher screen, so it makes life difficult when using the S Pen. I'll be exchanging this one too.
Anyone interested can check their device with the S Memo app. Just open a new memo and start waving the S pen over the screen surface about 1/4" above the screen. If you get brush marks on the screen without touching it I'd say there's a problem. And by doing this over the entire screen you can map the areas affected.
If you search YouTube for 'samsung galaxy note s pen problem' you'll find at least 4 international users who've posted videos on this problem.
I'm no expert, but I've experimented with other Wacom pens (I have two older tablet PCs), and neither of those pens exhibit this issue when used on the Note. It seems they only transmit when the pen nib is depressed. The S Pens transmit all the time... there doesn't seem to be a switch depressed by the nib. This system actually provides more sensitivity, such as scrolling screens with less pressure than required with the legacy Wacom pens. However, this increased sensitivity requires a perfectly calibrated digitizer over the entire screen to sense when the pen makes contact with the screen and I'm guessing that's where my problems are coming from. Hopefully the third time's the charm for me.
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Anyone interested can check their device with the S Memo app. Just open a new memo and start waving the S pen over the screen surface about 1/4" above the screen. If you get brush marks on the screen without touching it I'd say there's a problem. And by doing this over the entire screen you can map the areas affected.
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With the nub touching the screen, but applying no pressure, I moved it all around a new memo and didn't get any brush strokes. Is that a good test?
Yes, that's sounds good to me. That's the way my Note works with my older Wacom pens.
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Personally, mine doesn't trigger easily enough for my taste. I have to push harder than I'd like to get it to register. Not "hard" per se, but hard enough that the pen almost wants to 'skip' instead of 'slide' across the screen when trying to navigate around. (Talking about the minimum pressure needed to engage swiping and touching, etc). Still completely usable, just wish that it was a wee bit more sensitive so I could just 'glide' the pen around lightly vs pushing it down while moving around.
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I'm kind of with ya on this, I wish mine was a little more sensitive. Although mine doesn't sound quite as bad as yours.
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Anyone else having this issue? My spen will launch an app or type characters on the keyboard even when its 1/2 inch away from the screen.. Getting pretty frustrating. I see there's no ability to calibrate the spen either.
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I think OP's pen is defective. When I press the tip of the pen inward (toward the pen) with my finger and hover over the screen, I get the behavior described - I can be 1/2" away from the screen and tap/draw. But if I don't press the tip of the pen, I have to touch the screen to register a tap. There is a very tiny amount of movement in the white nib, and it should be on a slight spring. Mine doesn't activate upside down either. Maybe someone jammed your pen into something and broke it?
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... When I press the tip of the pen inward (toward the pen) with my finger and hover over the screen, I get the behavior described - I can be 1/2" away from the screen and tap/draw. But if I don't press the tip of the pen, I have to touch the screen to register a tap. There is a very tiny amount of movement in the white nib, and it should be on a slight spring. Mine doesn't activate upside down either. Maybe someone jammed your pen into something and broke it?
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You're right... I get the same behavior by pressing the nib anywhere over the screen. However, on these defective devices the S Pen still activates the screen in certain areas even without pressing the nib. So I think the pens are probably working okay and it's the digitizer that has problems.
That's my point - the nib is probably broken in a permanently "pressed-in" state. I would suspect the tiny moving-part spring action of the pen before I'd suspect the solid-state digitizer.
AT&T has the spare pen and larger holder for $30, which is a deal considering they offer the spare pen alone for the same price, and Samsung sells the combo for $60. Or you could take it to a store and test the store pen (though based on my experience that would be more likely to be broken or stolen).
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That's my point - the nib is probably broken in a permanently "pressed-in" state. I would suspect the tiny moving-part spring action of the pen before I'd suspect the solid-state digitizer.
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Maybe this picture of a test memo will clarify the issue with my second Note. The S Pen never was close to the screen, at least 1/4" away. But the area of the defect is limited to just a small portion of the screen. So in this case it's not likely to be a permanently depressed nib, but a bad portion of the screen. I can't say what the OP's issue might be. (On my first Note, the bad area was larger and near the top of the screen.)
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Edit: I suspect there's probably some of both out there (bad pens and bad screens)... either way it makes the device difficult to use with the pen and worthy of an exchange.
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Maybe this picture of a test memo will clarify the issue with my second Note. The S Pen never was close to the screen, at least 1/4" away. But the area of the defect is limited to just a small portion of the screen. So in this case it's not likely to be a permanently depressed nib, but a bad portion of the screen. I can't say what the OP's issue might be. (On my first Note, the bad area was larger and near the top of the screen.)
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Ah, sorry, I misunderstood your issue. Got it!
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I'm kind of with ya on this, I wish mine was a little more sensitive. Although mine doesn't sound quite as bad as yours.
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Maybe I exaggerated it a bit. What I would *like* is if the pressure of the pen's own weight was enough to make it work, and I didn't have to physically press down at all to help it. That way I could very lightly glide it around without pressing much if at all. Basically like your fingers -- you really don't need to press down at all and I want to use the pen as a more accurate finger. But I just need to press a bit. Enough that sometimes I don't press enough and get frustrated that I need to re-swipe or re-tap, and it makes me not really want to keep using it lol. I don't need to like lean on it or anything... it requires about as much as you'd need to make a bic pen start to write on paper.
Well, just back from Best Buy. I was lucky because they had just received another shipment of Notes. I did another exchange and my third Note is working great! No problems with the pen/digitizer combination at all (so far).
While at BB I tried the new pen on my old device and found some improvement, but could still get some spurious screen actions in the lower right corner where the digitizer needs calibration. As other posters have noted, it seems worse if you hold the device upside down (maybe due to the pen nib switch), but was still wonky at any angle.
So it looks to me like this issue may sometimes be due to a miscalibrated or defective S Pen, sometimes a miscalibrated or defective digitizer screen, and sometimes a combination of both. I'm just happy to now have a working device.
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Maybe I exaggerated it a bit. What I would *like* is if the pressure of the pen's own weight was enough to make it work, and I didn't have to physically press down at all to help it. That way I could very lightly glide it around without pressing much if at all. Basically like your fingers -- you really don't need to press down at all and I want to use the pen as a more accurate finger. But I just need to press a bit. Enough that sometimes I don't press enough and get frustrated that I need to re-swipe or re-tap, and it makes me not really want to keep using it lol. I don't need to like lean on it or anything... it requires about as much as you'd need to make a bic pen start to write on paper.
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I'm having the same issue...I have to press harder then I'd like. We cannot be the only ones that think like this right? I would like the pen to work under its own weight.
So the question is. How sensitive is your spen guys? I'd like to make sure there is no problem with my phone or spen.
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Well, just back from Best Buy. I was lucky because they had just received another shipment of Notes. I did another exchange and my third Note is working great! No problems with the pen/digitizer combination at all (so far).
While at BB I tried the new pen on my old device and found some improvement, but could still get some spurious screen actions in the lower right corner where the digitizer needs calibration. As other posters have noted, it seems worse if you hold the device upside down (maybe due to the pen nib switch), but was still wonky at any angle.
So it looks to me like this issue may sometimes be due to a miscalibrated or defective S Pen, sometimes a miscalibrated or defective digitizer screen, and sometimes a combination of both. I'm just happy to now have a working device.
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Glad to hear that BB is working with you. My phone and pens (the pen that came with the phone, as well as the pen that came with the "s pen holder" accessory) both display the same symptoms while I'm using the pen at an upwards angle. My s memo test was much worse, as the screen starts acknowledging the s pen well above the picture above. It's super frustrating, and I'm glad to hear that not all phones are like this. I'll definitely be exchanging my phone when I have a few hours of free time.
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... It's super frustrating, and I'm glad to hear that not all phones are like this. I'll definitely be exchanging my phone when I have a few hours of free time.
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Sorry, I guess I should have updated this thread. My third Note started exhibiting the same issue after about six hours of use, although it was still better than my first two. I also checked the display models at my AT&T store and they showed the same issue, so all five Notes I've had contact with all have shown the same defect.
My solution was found in another thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517411
In post #22 of that thread was my final fix, which is still working great for me at this point.
Okay basically of all the Notes I've used (5 of them!) they all have this issue where towards the bottom of the screen where the "." and "Space" key are on the Samsung Keyboard, if the stylus or phone is being held in a certain way it will think it's being pressed down when it's not actually, but it only happens in that one spot! I took my AT&T Galaxy Note back to the AT&T store today and both display models had this issue, the replacement phone they gave me had this issue, and one of the Employee's had a Note that also had this issue, all in the EXACT same spot! I just want to make everyone aware of this and to see if this is an issue with all AT&T Samsung Galaxy Notes, and if it is make Samsung and AT&T aware of it and get them to issue a software or hardware fix.
Thanks.
Video demonstrating the issue:
http://youtu.be/LGzXEUg4g18
(Interesting enough all of my Wacom Tablet PC pens do not display this problem with the Note)
Update: When you test to see if your Note does this, make sure it's leaning in towards you a bit
I fail to see how this is a MAJOR issue? What problem would this cause?
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What program do you have open that you are drawing on?
droidal said:
I fail to see how this is a MAJOR issue? What problem would this cause?
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Because you can be sitting there using hand writing recognition or typing with the keyboard and it suddenly randomly starts hitting a bunch of keys, or drawing something and it just randomly starts scribbling. It's annoying as hell! also the fact it affects EVERY note I've touched.
i have gt n7000.no problems here.prob. just a software bug.hopefully they will update firmware to fix all these small issue u guys having.
Glad I'm not the only one with this problem. Mine is affected at the lower right side of the screen. I hate it when it's pushing buttons.
I had hoped that replacing the stylus would resolve the issue but I'm having doubts after OP's post.
I would consider this a major issue.
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I just tried replicating this on my note. Doesn't happen.
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mine works fine.
Also, I fail to see this as a MAJOR issue...maybe an annoyance but Major?
I believe what Wolfox360 commented on my video is true, I think it's magnetic interference from either one of the radios or the speaker causing this, that's why my Wacom Tablet PC pens didn't do this, they're shielded better, I say this needs a hardware fix from Samsung for new Styluses that are shielded better.
Yes, I agree this is a valid issue. There's at least two other threads in this section on this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1512578 &
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1511230.
At post 14 of the first link I provided a pic of a test memo where I mapped the area of the screen affected.
My first Note's defect was not limited to just the lower right corner... it was pretty wideapread. My second Note's defect was limited to the lower right corner but it didn't require the S Pen to be tilted horizontally or upside down to draw on the screen or start going crazy on the keyboard. My third Note only has the issue in the same location (lower right corner) and only when the S Pen is horizontal or tilted back slightly (like using it while laying in bed or in a reclining chair). I've concluded the S Pen is definitely involved (it doesn't happen with my two Wacom tablet PC pens), and the fact that it is often restricted to the lower right corner must mean the digitizer might also be a factor. Something in the pen is causing an increased transmission when it goes horizontal or becomes inverted.
As the third device is at least usable I've decided to keep it and hope Samsung comes out with an improved S Pen or some other fix for the device. In the meantime, I just try to keep the S Pen upright when I'm using it. I guess I probably use the S Pen more than most folks because I'm a long time user of Pocket PCs and Tablet PCs.
The Note is in all other respects my dream device. I'm a fan!
I don't have this issue, whatsoever. Mine works fine. In fact, but my AT&T version and my International version work perfectly. I can drag the tip across the screen, just barely touching, and it won't register anywhere. Then I increase the pressure just a tiny bit and it does register. Operation is uniform across the entire screen.
mine doesn't have that issue at all
As "Wolfox360" showed on his youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPqGw297Fa0 putting a thin ring of Aluminum tape around the stylus almost completely fixes this issue.
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Yes, the aluminum tape around the S Pen seems to fix this issue for me. It's not easy to get the placement and width of the tape just right... and it may differ from pen to pen. I ended up with a slightly narrower band of tape (4mm rather than Wolfox360's recommendation of 5mm) and centered on the bottom of the button, with 2mm of tape over the button and 2mm extending below the button. When I used a tape width of 5mm I was losing some pen functionality (areas of dead spots on the screen).
I wish Samsung and AT&T would address this issue and provide modified pens to those users that need them.
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Yes, the aluminum tape around the S Pen seems to fix this issue for me. It's not easy to get the placement and width of the tape just right... and it may differ from pen to pen. I ended up with a slightly narrower band of tape (4mm rather than Wolfox360's recommendation of 5mm) and centered on the bottom of the button, with 2mm of tape over the button and 2mm extending below the button. When I used a tape width of 5mm I was losing some pen functionality (areas of dead spots on the screen).
I wish Samsung and AT&T would address this issue and provide modified pens to those users that need them.
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I hope they do too, this is my first Samsung phone since an old BlackJack II from several years ago and honestly I'm a bit disappointed with it so far, even my HTC Desire Z (T-Mobile G2)s seemed of all around better quality than this.
My Note has this issue too. Whenever I hold the s-pen near the bottom right it acts like it's touching but it isn't.
My theory on what's causing the issue in the first place is the fact that there's a speaker on the rear of the device right where we seem to be having the issue at. Maybe the speaker magnet there is what's causing it to go wonky?
Glad to see that a simple fix like the aluminum tape is available, gonna have to try that in a bit. I'm thinking that this supports the idea of the speaker causing the issue though, since just adding a tiny little bit of foil to shield the s-pen from the speaker can fix it.
I have the white att galaxy note and I do not have this issue...I've tested numerous times.
this phone is what you get when a skyrocket and galaxy tab get together and make babies - galaxy note!
White AT&T Note here and don't have the issue either, although, even if I did, I don't know that I would define that as a "MAJOR ISSUE" seeing as how you have to hold the pen a certain way in a certain spot to even get it to do it. Seems more like a minor nuisance.
So is this happening to the black note only? Weird if it is the color shouldn't make a difference...people who are having the problem should post the color of their note.
this phone is what you get when a skyrocket and galaxy tab get together and make babies - galaxy note!
Mine is the black model and has the same issue. In most cases it is probably more nuisance than problem but when trying to use the note application it becomes a real problem for me.
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So is this happening to the black note only? Weird if it is the color shouldn't make a difference...people who are having the problem should post the color of their note.
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I stopped by the local AT&T store and confirmed this issue exists on the white Note on display, just like the black one. The S Pen holder didn't help either... still the same.
I've had 3 black AT&T Notes with various levels of this defect.
Well... I was hoping this case would revert my perspective of the Note 12.2 as a useable device.
First things first. The overall Keyboard functionality is good nice travel within the keys. I like the keys for cut and paste etc. My huge beef is the thing does not support the screen on and off functionality when the cover opens or closes. Now to my second issue, the screen and keyboard contact when closed. Though Logitech has bumpers to raise the keyboard it still makes contact with the screen when closed with little to no pressure.
Back to my earlier comment on the device itself. It is beautiful and I love the additional real-estate over my "original Note 10.1". However the performance is a disappointment and though I really like the new features I just can't justify 1k with accessories for an under preforming device. I am honestly surprised that my Note 10.1 (first Edition) has almost the same performance. I was really hoping the keyboard aspect would encourage me to keep it... for now I think its going back.
I would note the concept of a keyboard would be uber cool if it had a trackpad or mouse/nub. I realize its not a notebook but...
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/pro?wt.mc_id=global_news_pro
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Well... I was hoping this case would revert my perspective of the Note 12.2 as a useable device.
First things first. The overall Keyboard functionality is good nice travel within the keys. I like the keys for cut and paste etc. My huge beef is the thing does not support the screen on and off functionality when the cover opens or closes. Now to my second issue, the screen and keyboard contact when closed. Though Logitech has bumpers to raise the keyboard it still makes contact with the screen when closed with little to no pressure.
Back to my earlier comment on the device itself. It is beautiful and I love the additional real-estate over my "original Note 10.1". However the performance is a disappointment and though I really like the new features I just can't justify 1k with accessories for an under preforming device. I am honestly surprised that my Note 10.1 (first Edition) has almost the same performance. I was really hoping the keyboard aspect would encourage me to keep it... for now I think its going back.
I would note the concept of a keyboard would be uber cool if it had a trackpad or mouse/nub. I realize its not a notebook but...
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/pro?wt.mc_id=global_news_pro
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I noticed the screen touching as well as the loss of powering on and off when opened/closed. However, for me the keyboard has allowed me to use a RDP for our works server. Usually I had to use the on screen keyboard within the servers app. Now with the logitech, and a magic mouse connected at the same time, I can have a laptop type of device, or pop it back in to the regular samsung cover for travel/tablet time.
I was thinking of little pieces of felt on the keyboard where it touches. Little extra support. Over all, the keyboards added functions out weigh the loss of the on/off feature for me.
The keys are the best I have ever used on a bluetooth keyboard. If it had an integrated mouse pad, it would most likely need the usb dongle/receiver plugged in to a usb port....
I am loving the flexibility of this tab and accessories personally. I have to force myself to use the macbook just to keep away from the tablet!
I just got my Logitech today. My keys don't touch my screen at all. Yeah an auto on/off would have been a nice feature but not a biggie for me. You can turn it on by hitting the Home button on the keyboard. You can turn it off with FN - DEL keys. I was using the ZAGG but this is 1000 times better.
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I just got my Logitech today. My keys don't touch my screen at all. Yeah an auto on/off would have been a nice feature but not a biggie for me. You can turn it on by hitting the Home button on the keyboard. You can turn it off with FN - DEL keys. I was using the ZAGG but this is 1000 times better.
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Not sure about the other poster, but it's not the keys where mine touches (?). It's around the home button area. Ya, the on off with the keys is awesome. I like how the music key opens play music.
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We all would love some pic from the people who already received the case and some feedback after using for couple days. I have been reaching for someone to give a good video or photo review because I am thinking of getting one anytime soon.
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Got mine today. Like it so far. It is late now but I can post some photos and more thoughts on it tomorrow if nobody else beats me to it.
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Got mine today. Like it so far. It is late now but I can post some photos and more thoughts on it tomorrow if nobody else beats me to it.
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Ha! Beat you to it lol
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I love it so far. You can wake your tablet by pressing a key and shut it off using FN-DEL keys. So far I just wish I could program the shortcut keys. Email shortcut brings up GMail but I use Exchange Email 99% of the time so I need the stock Email app instead.
Question for the one who already received it. Can you type in different languages? such as arabic or any other language? I know the keyboard comes only with English litter printed on the keyboard, but can you test that for me please and post a pic for the result? It will be much appreciated. I speak 2 language so I have to use arabic and English in my line of work. Just wounder if I can do that in the keyboard
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Regarding the performance complaints... I think most the issue is two fold... Expectations and Google Chrome. First of all I think we all expected a screaming fast and lag free experience. The fact is that this tablet is screaming fast however Samsung has continue to bloat it up so their is still some lag in the GUI. Frankly I think the lag is over exaggerated and too many make a big deal out of it. I've ran many AOSP roms on my Nexus 10 and S4, no lag at all but less functionality. I'll take multi-window functionality any day over zero lag. Would love both but it's just not an option right now... Second performance issue is that Google Chrome appears to lack some serious optimizations for this tablet. How and why this is beats me but Chrome is scrolling is disturbingly laggy. On the other hand Chrome beta is much better so hopefully we see these optimizations is Chome stable release soon. Until then I'm using beta. If you don't care about Chrome syncing then the built in browser is really fast but Chrome beta addresses 60-70% of the Chrome performance issues. Page loading is fast but still not as fast as the built in browser. Google has stated that they are committed to Chrome performance improvements in 2014 and I think beta is already showing this.
I have some apps that do some serious number crunching and can tell you think absolutely smoke my Nexus 10 in raw performance so I think things will only get better with software optimizations.
On another note I rooted my Note 12.2 yesterday and can't express how much better it is now with a few tweaks.
Root Tweaks...
270 DPI
Chrome User Agent - Chrome Desktop
Titanium Backup - freeze unnecessary apps
Enable additional apps for mutli-windows (Chrome beta most importantly)
LMT launcher for swipe home, back, recents, menu, etc...
Non root tweak-
Apex Launcher
Overall really happy with this tablet now. Was considering the Logitech keyboard but not sure now although I don't think the auto sleep when closed complaint is a big deal...
Does anyone else have this keyboard? I am debating replacing my 10.1 2014 with the 12.2 for the extra screen real estate and the fact there is a Logitech keyboard for it. If the keyboard case is great, it almost makes the upgrade a no-brainer. If the keyboard sucks, I think I am out.
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Does anyone else have this keyboard? I am debating replacing my 10.1 2014 with the 12.2 for the extra screen real estate and the fact there is a Logitech keyboard for it. If the keyboard case is great, it almost makes the upgrade a no-brainer. If the keyboard sucks, I think I am out.
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Best Buy salesman talked me into buying one, he said it has a 15 day return window, so I thought why not. I'm liking it so far. Only have 2 concerns.
1) With the case closed, I have noticed that while i'm caring it, the tablet can slide off the rubber bumpers on the keyboard and allow the screen to touch the keys. This will cause the tablet to turn on unless you turn the keyboard power switch off.
2) I don't like the feel of the material on the outside of the case. The majority of it is nylon (or something similar) and it is a little slick. I'm afraid its going to slide out of my hands. Would be better if it was leather or even fake leather.
juat gor mine too from best buy. i agree with you about the 2 point. they keyboard will slied off. I like the keyboard and it is really great but I might need to get a screen protecter for it since it will slide all the time and the only reason I bought the device in the first place is so I can take the device with me anywhere insted of my laptop.
also I noticed that switching between 2 language is not functioning as it suppost to be. it will show that you switched the language but it will only type in english unless you go to setting and switch it from there. so anytime you want to type in any language and switch in between you need to go to the setting all the time.
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just a follow up to my comment above, I actualy have been looking around with the keyboard and found that by holding the Ctrl and prissing space it will change the language for you if you are using 2 different language on the keyboard.
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Regarding the performance complaints... I think most the issue is two fold... Expectations and Google Chrome. First of all I think we all expected a screaming fast and lag free experience. The fact is that this tablet is screaming fast however Samsung has continue to bloat it up so their is still some lag in the GUI. Frankly I think the lag is over exaggerated and too many make a big deal out of it. I've ran many AOSP roms on my Nexus 10 and S4, no lag at all but less functionality. I'll take multi-window functionality any day over zero lag. Would love both but it's just not an option right now... Second performance issue is that Google Chrome appears to lack some serious optimizations for this tablet. How and why this is beats me but Chrome is scrolling is disturbingly laggy. On the other hand Chrome beta is much better so hopefully we see these optimizations is Chome stable release soon. Until then I'm using beta. If you don't care about Chrome syncing then the built in browser is really fast but Chrome beta addresses 60-70% of the Chrome performance issues. Page loading is fast but still not as fast as the built in browser. Google has stated that they are committed to Chrome performance improvements in 2014 and I think beta is already showing this.
I have some apps that do some serious number crunching and can tell you think absolutely smoke my Nexus 10 in raw performance so I think things will only get better with software optimizations.
On another note I rooted my Note 12.2 yesterday and can't express how much better it is now with a few tweaks.
Root Tweaks...
270 DPI
Chrome User Agent - Chrome Desktop
Titanium Backup - freeze unnecessary apps
Enable additional apps for mutli-windows (Chrome beta most importantly)
LMT launcher for swipe home, back, recents, menu, etc...
Non root tweak-
Apex Launcher
Overall really happy with this tablet now. Was considering the Logitech keyboard but not sure now although I don't think the auto sleep when closed complaint is a big deal...
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Can you be specific about what you froze ?
I want to keep all of the S-pen stuff and and air-command(i think it is called like this..) and multi split.
But i want to disable all of the knox stuff and the flipboard style stuff since it doesn't auto refresh anyway.
Why would you change the dpi ?
I tried the logitech keyboard case, but to me the case put the tablet too close to the keyboard. I prefer a bit more space between the two. And it made the package too thick for my liking.
So instead I've opted for a regular neoprene 13.3" laptop sleeve (which can also hold my Wacom pen and a cleaning cloth), with this as my keyboard: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/bluetooth-illuminated-keyboard-k810 and this as my stand: http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F5L084/ When I need to carry it all, everything fits inside the sleeve (with the cloth between the keyboard and the tablet's back)
Works perfectly, and it's so much more free. I can now put the tab on a table or nightstand whilst keeping the keyboard on my lap whilst I'm sitting on the sofa or bed.
woowdy said:
just a follow up to my comment above, I actualy have been looking around with the keyboard and found that by holding the Ctrl and prissing space it will change the language for you if you are using 2 different language on the keyboard.
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This saved me for returning the otherwise perfect case keyboard. It is very weird no one else mentioned this particular.
I ended up selling mine on swappa. Where the corner pops in to the case, right by the spen, the Logitech was taking some of the chrome finish of the tablet. I opted for the Samsung Keyboard case and couldn't be happier with it when using and closed.
l did like the feel of the Logitech keys slightly better however, but the Sammy one works great.