I just purchased a new S4 this week. My last 2 phones were HTC phones which I rooted and flashed TWRP. HTC provides a method to unlock the bootloader. I only didn't go with a HTC One because of the lack of a removable battery and no SD card capability. Apparently rooting, installing recoveries and custom ROM's is a more involved process with the S4 because of locked bootloader. My understanding at this point is that I need to use the Safestrap method for recoveries and ROMs. My question is what if any is the downside of using Safestrap opposed to the normal method of flashing recoveries and ROMs? My S4 is MK2 with Android 4.3. Thanks.
Well with the way the s4 is locked down and safe strap being the only way for now to run a custom ROM... There are limitations to what you can do. No aosp roms or custom kernels. You can only run roms that use the stock kernel. After flashing a ROM you have to flash the modules for the bootloader you have.
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Eddie Hicks said:
I just purchased a new S4 this week. My last 2 phones were HTC phones which I rooted and flashed TWRP. HTC provides a method to unlock the bootloader. I only didn't go with a HTC One because of the lack of a removable battery and no SD card capability. Apparently rooting, installing recoveries and custom ROM's is a more involved process with the S4 because of locked bootloader. My understanding at this point is that I need to use the Safestrap method for recoveries and ROMs. My question is what if any is the downside of using Safestrap opposed to the normal method of flashing recoveries and ROMs? My S4 is MK2 with Android 4.3. Thanks.
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A thread in general section that's a sticky that will help u.
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Well with the way the s4 is locked down and safe strap being the only way for now to run a custom ROM... There are limitations to what you can do. No aosp roms or custom kernels. You can only run roms that use the stock kernel. After flashing a ROM you have to flash the modules for the bootloader you have.
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Thank you very much. That answers my question partly. I guess I should have said do apps and system files work without issues on a safestrap rom? Is there a difference that you can tell.
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A thread in general section that's a sticky that will help u.
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Thanks. I did read loads of info in the stickies. There are some great tutorials on how to root, etc. I may have missed where it mentions the difference in how a phone works with a safestrap flashed rom opposed to one flashed by other recoveries. One of the reasons I ask is that from some comments apparently people are not happy about having to use safestrap. I now get the issue with being limited to the type of rom because of locked bootloader. I wanted to know if there were other concerns.
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Eddie Hicks said:
Thanks. I did read loads of info in the stickies. There are some great tutorials on how to root, etc. I may have missed where it mentions the difference in how a phone works with a safestrap flashed rom opposed to one flashed by other recoveries. One of the reasons I ask is that from some comments apparently people are not happy about having to use safestrap. I now get the issue with being limited to the type of rom because of locked bootloader. I wanted to know if there were other concerns.
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the only option available for non-MDK firmware phones is safstrap and it works with compatible roms which have grown in number. I have been using it since its initial release for the S4 and have zero complaints or concerns...
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the only option available for non-MDK firmware phones is safstrap and it works with compatible roms which have grown in number. I have been using it since its initial release for the S4 and have zero complaints or concerns...
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Great that's what I wanted to hear. I'll give it a shot. Thanks.
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I can't find an exact answer tothis when searching, so i'll ask here. My mdk unlocked ran great until I dropped it and cracked the screen. My replacement is coming, i fear itll be an me7.but if I use safestrap after rooting, itshould be just like the old phone, right? From what i'm reading, ss doesn't slow the phone any. Any other disadvantages? Thanks.
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I can't find an exact answer tothis when searching, so i'll ask here. My mdk unlocked ran great until I dropped it and cracked the screen. My replacement is coming, i fear itll be an me7.but if I use safestrap after rooting, itshould be just like the old phone, right? From what i'm reading, ss doesn't slow the phone any. Any other disadvantages? Thanks.
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Well you will only be able to use roms that use the stock kernel. So not every rom is available to you, but there are still enough.
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I can't find an exact answer tothis when searching, so i'll ask here. My mdk unlocked ran great until I dropped it and cracked the screen. My replacement is coming, i fear itll be an me7.but if I use safestrap after rooting, itshould be just like the old phone, right? From what i'm reading, ss doesn't slow the phone any. Any other disadvantages? Thanks.
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Disadvantages are that you won't be able to use any non-stock kernel roms (like any AOSP roms) and you'll be very limited on storage space unless you're daring enough to flash over the stock rom slot (some people do this and there's no issues).
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Disadvantages are that you won't be able to use any non-stock kernel roms (like any AOSP roms) and you'll be very limited on storage space unless you're daring enough to flash over the stock rom slot (some people do this and there's no issues).
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I do this and don't like the limits. I wish I could use CWM or TWRP but can't on ME7. So irritating. I do love the Safestrap recovery but I just wish ME7 wouldn't limit safestrap so much. It's such a great recovery software.
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I do this and don't like the limits. I wish I could use CWM or TWRP but can't on ME7. So irritating. I do love the Safestrap recovery but I just wish ME7 wouldn't limit safestrap so much. It's such a great recovery software.
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For the record I got it working. Had to max out partition sizes in rom slot but it installed. No perceptible slowdown I can see.
i cannot get goomanager to download the twrp..........im on 4.3.... mj7. i click on the install open recovery>yes>yes> and it just sits at the "your download is now starting screen and does absolutely nothing!!!!!! anyone have a fix for this?
Ok, a simple search or reading a few of the top posts would have answered your question. There is no recovery as of yet for MJ3. You cannot get anything besides root right now.
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Ok, a simple search or reading a few of the top posts would have answered your question. There is no recovery as of yet for MJ3. You cannot get anything besides root right now.
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this isnt true............on youtube wwwjoshdew got this to work.and when you enter goomanager....if there wasnt one available it would say there wasnt any recoveries available....this says theres one available but it just doesnt download!
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this isnt true............on youtube wwwjoshdew got this to work.and when you enter goomanager....if there wasnt one available it would say there wasnt any recoveries available....this says theres one available but it just doesnt download!
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Ok, if you don't believe me, that's fine. Go look everywhere else on XDA. Go look everywhere on the internet. There is no recovery. 4.3 is completely locked down. GooManager is probably trying to give you a Loki'd TWRP because it thinks you're on MDK, which is the only baseband that actually supports TWRP.
Yeah dude no custom recovery for mj7. Hashcode is trying to get safestrap working with the update. At least then you guys can have stock based TW roms.
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Can we just get a stickie for this already? people can't bother to do a little resesrch or even a search before they flood the q&a
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Can we just get a stickie for this already? people can't bother to do a little resesrch or even a search before they flood the q&a
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Yes! And title "no recovery or roms for mj7!"
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Can we just get a stickie for this already? people can't bother to do a little resesrch or even a search before they flood the q&a
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It won't matter. People won't bother to read and will try to flash CM on their phones regardless of whether or not it works. SInce it says in the Sprint forum that doing "x" will work, it must work on all of the Galaxy S4 models, right? It's unfortunately very confusing when the different models of the GS4 have different firmware and very different updating policies.
Most of the people who have done this have no idea what "MJ7" means, so I''m afraid that a sticky won't help.it would have to appear as the first post in every forum for every variant of the GS4. And STILL people wouldn't read it.
Do you know of any working tons for safestrap?? Cause that's what in using right now.....and was looking for some good working roms.
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devanryan14 said:
Do you know of any working tons for safestrap?? Cause that's what in using right now.....and was looking for some good working roms.
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Hyperdrive 11 is working awesome
Verizon Galaxy S4
Safestrap 3.7
HYPERDRIVE 11
So would depressive 10 be fine?? In kinda a nube when it comes to roms.... This will be my first time.. Is there a different way to flash with safestrap?
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Sorry I meant hyperdrive. I hate auto correct sometimes!!!!
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So would depressive 10 be fine?? In kinda a nube when it comes to roms.... This will be my first time.. Is there a different way to flash with safestrap?
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take 4 or 5 hours of reading some posts in safestrap, saferoot and hyperdrive threads...also get familiar with odin and adb
I've been away a while. If I'm understanding correctly I can one click route my MK2 and install Samsung based ROMs without a custom recovery using mobile Odin. Can anyone please confirm it or correct me? If I'm right can you give me ideas what to look for in a ROM that will work with this method. Thanks and sorry if this has been asked. I did search but there wasn't much to look at in terms of direct solutions.
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I've been away a while. If I'm understanding correctly I can one click route my MK2 and install Samsung based ROMs without a custom recovery using mobile Odin. Can anyone please confirm it or correct me? If I'm right can you give me ideas what to look for in a ROM that will work with this method. Thanks and sorry if this has been asked. I did search but there wasn't much to look at in terms of direct solutions.
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Personally, I've never heard of what you're describing. The only way I know of with MK2 is to root using this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758.
After that, your only option for roms is Safestrap. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2441441. You will only be able to install TouchWiz 4.3 based roms. Make sure they're compatible with Safestrap before you install.
My advice would be to do a lot of research. This is a good place to start. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2606501.
Good luck
Edit: Just noticed your profile says your using AT&T. This is the Verizon forum.
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I've been away a while. If I'm understanding correctly I can one click route my MK2 and install Samsung based ROMs without a custom recovery using mobile Odin. Can anyone please confirm it or correct me? If I'm right can you give me ideas what to look for in a ROM that will work with this method. Thanks and sorry if this has been asked. I did search but there wasn't much to look at in terms of direct solutions.
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This is the Verizon forum, not at&t. However I believe mobile odin is only useful for restoring the phone to a factory state without a computer, not flashing roms, yet you must be rooted. I could be wrong though.
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Personally, I've never heard of what you're describing. The only way I know of with MK2 is to root using this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758.
After that, your only option for roms is Safestrap. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2441441. You will only be able to install TouchWiz 4.3 based roms. Make sure they're compatible with Safestrap before you install.
My advice would be to do a lot of research. This is a good place to start. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2606501.
Good luck
Edit: Just noticed your profile says your using AT&T. This is the Verizon forum.
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Haven't updated that, I'm with Verizon.
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It is possible to flash rom via Odin have done it on me devices not sure if this would be a exception maybe contact some devs to see where this lies
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It is possible to flash rom via Odin have done it on me devices not sure if this would be a exception maybe contact some devs to see where this lies
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Well as far as I know Odin is just for flashing the firmwares and a custom recovery is for flashing ROMs. Maybe there is an exception, but I don't think so
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Well as far as I know Odin is just for flashing the firmwares and a custom recovery is for flashing ROMs. Maybe there is an exception, but I don't think so
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This is my understanding too..Perhaps one of our brainiacs can clarify
safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven
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This is my understanding too..Perhaps one of our brainiacs can clarify
safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven
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Maybe just clarifying what someone thinks a ROM is, guess you could think firmware is a ROM if you're new to this kind of stuff.
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Generally yes for recoveries and stock firmwares however it does need to be in a tarball file which would take some time I imagine trying to recall what phone it was but this was a few years ago a lot has changed since the n
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Ok looking like I misunderstood then. Thanks for the clarification. I don't think I trust the idea of the safestrap. I know it's safer, but I have been flashing ROMs for years and the recovery method makes me warm and tingly. I don't think they'll ever crack into the ability to flash the way we're all used to. For every genius we have that's capable of figuring it out, Samsung has 10 that can stop it. I pray they get it, but my hopes are fading.
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Ok looking like I misunderstood then. Thanks for the clarification. I don't think I trust the idea of the safestrap. I know it's safer, but I have been flashing ROMs for years and the recovery method makes me warm and tingly. I don't think they'll ever crack into the ability to flash the way we're all used to. For every genius we have that's capable of figuring it out, Samsung has 10 that can stop it. I pray they get it, but my hopes are fading.
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safestrap has been around for years for other phones and recently hashcode ported to the S4 last fall. I have used it since that time with zero issues and have been running several ROMs at a time to evaluate, with again no issues with safestrap. Not sure why you wouldn't "trust it".....as it gives all us non-MDK owners ability to run something else than just stock.
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safestrap has been around for years for other phones and recently hashcode ported to the S4 last fall. I have used it since that time with zero issues and have been running several ROMs at a time to evaluate, with again no issues with safestrap. Not sure why you wouldn't "trust it".....as it gives all us non-MDK owners ability to run something else than just stock.
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Exactly, I've been hammering away on Safestrap since my RAZR and it's really safe just like the name implies. Granted I could flash AOSP on the razr, but my guess is at some point kexec will come around for the S4 as well. Too many really smart people working on that project for it to fail in my opinion.
Anyways.... For now Safestrap is awesome, and happy to have it.
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Now if there were more ROM options lol!
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Now if there were more ROM options lol!
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slowly getting there. Takes some time and while many SS roms are available they all come up short to my main day to day HD12 Rom....battery life is simply amazing
I have a Verizon S4 rooted and with Safetrap installed. I formatted a couple slots within SS so I could test out a rom or 2. I think, from reading, that I cannot use any ASOP version roms. Correct me if I'm wrong
I checked both development forums before I wrote so if I missed any thing please let me know.
Plus after you create a slot within in SS do you have to do any thing to the partitions or any thing else so you can run a rom?
Thanks for any help
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I have a Verizon S4 rooted and with Safetrap installed. I formatted a couple slots within SS so I could test out a rom or 2. I think, from reading, that I cannot use any ASOP version roms. Correct me if I'm wrong
I checked both development forums before I wrote so if I missed any thing please let me know.
Plus after you create a slot within in SS do you have to do any thing to the partitions or any thing else so you can run a rom?
Thanks for any help
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none...as to answer the title of the post
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none...as to answer the title of the post
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If that's the case why bother installing roms. Better just to stay with x posed
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If that's the case why bother installing roms. Better just to stay with x posed
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Which is what most people do
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pbman1953 said:
If that's the case why bother installing roms. Better just to stay with x posed
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Because hyper drive can be customized easily...As well as whole bunch of other ones. I run 3 roms and can boot between them in minutes. I can go up to 48 hrs on a charge...to each their own
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Yes. Valid point
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Do you feel that the developed roms are far superior to stock?
If so which one sound I try
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Do you feel that the developed roms are far superior to stock?
If so which one sound I try
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I do.. When I had my locked down s4 Hyperdrive was the only way to go for me. Yea it was still Touchwiz but the options were much better. Plus xposed helps a lot too.
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I just picked up an S4 and am coming from an S3.
Found this link to get root but not sure if I want to take the method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2574652
I'm on MK2.
Has the bootloader been unlocked yet or is it unlocked by default?
My phone needs some AOSP in its life. Bad.
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RBarnett09 said:
I just picked up an S4 and am coming from an S3.
Found this link to get root but not sure if I want to take the method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2574652
I'm on MK2.
Has the bootloader been unlocked yet or is it unlocked by default?
My phone needs some AOSP in its life. Bad.
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Not sure anyone can help you if your not sure you want to try the method in the first place. The thread Naddict refers to says its roots MK2 in the title. The bootloader Is locked so no AOSP. Theres a sticky that most people refer users to when they ask this question (which is at least 4 times a day) I trust you'll be able to find it though.
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Not sure anyone can help you if your not sure you want to try the method in the first place. The thread Naddict refers to says its roots MK2 in the title. The bootloader Is locked so no AOSP. Theres a sticky that most people refer users to when they ask this question (which is at least 4 times a day) I trust you'll be able to find it though.
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The only reason I wasn't sure if I wanted to try it is because I'm strictly wanting AOSP ROMs... I hate Touchwiz with a passion. So if I can't use any AOSP ROMs, I won't bother rooting it.
Hopefully they get the bootloader unlocked soon.
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Would it be possible to Odin to a previous build that has an unlockable bootloader, root and then flash?
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RBarnett09 said:
Would it be possible to Odin to a previous build that has an unlockable bootloader, root and then flash?
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No that's not possible sorry. Wish it were that easy.
Look into SafeStrap compatible ROMs for the Verizon s4... There's a list on here of them. Some pretty cool ones that have the feel of aosp.
Or... Go on swappa and buy an MDK build which you can run aosp on.
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The only reason I wasn't sure if I wanted to try it is because I'm strictly wanting AOSP ROMs... I hate Touchwiz with a passion. So if I can't use any AOSP ROMs, I won't bother rooting it.
Hopefully they get the bootloader unlocked soon.
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all S4 owners need to start with this thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2606501
Ah.
I'm just going to resell this thing.
Theres no way to get away from Touchwiz.
Thanks though guys.
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