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So I was thinking about the tbolt, and realized something that I believe is interesting:
It's pretty common knowledge that Verizon CDMA does not currently support simultaneous voice/data, a huge grievance for many a verizon iPhone owner. The Thunderbolt is touted to be the first device that can handle this function and will do so by handling voice over the CDMA network and data over the LTE network. Makes sense, sounds good and all right? BUT....I was thinking about coverage of LTE and how it's pretty scarce for now and was wondering what would happen if you were not in an LTE area and using the Tbolt? Wouldn't the absence of the LTE network effectively stifle your ability to use data while on the phone?
Does anyone have any info on this or remember reading anything about it? It seems to me that it is entirely possible that the Tbolt will have the same limitations over simultaneous voice/data as the iPhone and other smartphones as long as the user is in a non-4G/LTE area. I am lucky enough to live in a 4G/LTE area so this wouldn't be a huge factor I guess but some people were really looking forward to having that capability.
Unlike all the rumors, the phones has two radios.
1 - 1x voice/data radio
2 - EVDO / LTE radio
The phone will do simultaneous voice and data in both 4G and 3G areas. Only issues is that two radios means increased battery drain
need bb said:
Unlike all the rumors, the phones has two radios.
1 - 1x voice/data radio
2 - EVDO / LTE radio
The phone will do simultaneous voice and data in both 4G and 3G areas. Only issues is that two radios means increased battery drain
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very cool, i was not aware of that. thanks! that does suck about the battery though.....
did you have a source for the dual radio information?
need bb said:
Unlike all the rumors, the phones has two radios.
1 - 1x voice/data radio
2 - EVDO / LTE radio
The phone will do simultaneous voice and data in both 4G and 3G areas. Only issues is that two radios means increased battery drain
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Your post makes no sense bud. The phone has the following specs:
CDMA 1X/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
CDMA LTE - 700MHz
Rev A Capable
The phone has one of 2 possibilities:
1. In an area with no 4G coverage, the phone will simply not work as advertised. It will act just like any other 3G smartphone.
2. The more likely option, and I say likely mostly because they like to avoid class actions: Verizon partly delayed the phone in order to upgrade the towers and networks with the ability to process 3G data and calls simultaneously.
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The phone has one of 2 possibilities:
1. In an area with no 4G coverage, the phone will simply not work as advertised. It will act just like any other 3G smartphone.
2. The more likely option, and I say likely mostly because they like to avoid class actions: Verizon partly delayed the phone in order to upgrade the towers and networks with the ability to process 3G data and calls simultaneously.
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if that second option were true, wouldn't that mean that every phone currently running on 3G (iphones and droids alike) would all gain the ability to run simultaneous data and voice? that sounds very nice indeed.
i don't have any sources but i believe i remember reading that the nature of CDMA and how it connects prohibits simultaneous voice/data as opposed to however GSM operates. sorry for such broad information but i'm not exactly a wireless carrier expert. if what you said is true though and they found some way to upgrade it, that would be awesome for all those on verizon 3G.
my skeptical side though is saying that verizon is no saint and would just respond that simultaneous voice/data is a feature specifically for 4G service and if you aren't in a 4G area tough break and wait for 4G/LTE to roll out near you.
Actually VZW recently did a software upgrade for their infrastructure to allow simultaneous voice and data over EVDO Rev A and the Thunderbolt is their first handset with the radio capable of supporting it. From what I've read it's a hardware thing so they can't update firmware in other phones like the iPhone to support it. I can't link to any articles from the XDA App but read any of the major Android blogs as they've been reporting about it for the past couple days or do a Google search for SVDO.
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OK, hopped on a computer so here you go:
http://thecellphonejunkie.com/2011/...olt-will-have-simultaneous-3g-voice-and-data/
http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2861/64/
BAAMM! lol
That is the rumor Verizon is not using 1X advanced, so the only way that simultaneous voice and data works if you have two radios which are capable of transmitting at the same time. This is why only select 4G phones support SVDO.
As I said earlier, SVDO will work in both 4G and 3G areas because of the dual radios on-board.
need bb said:
That is the rumor Verizon is not using 1X advanced, so the only way that simultaneous voice and data works if you have two radios which are capable of transmitting at the same time. This is why only select 4G phones support SVDO.
As I said earlier, SVDO will work in both 4G and 3G areas because of the dual radios on-board.
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The Thunderbolt have SVDO support, because it's using a SVDO capable chipset. Dual radios doesn't have anything to do with it, but only with CDMA/ 4G LTE handoffs, which is similar to Sprint's 4G phones. SVDO works on a 1X and 1X Advanced capable device, so didn't need to switch to 1X Advanced in order for it to work, though they have been some 1X advanced codecs for a while. Verizon wanted this including in their iPhone 4 phones so bad, but it just wasn't ready.
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OK, hopped on a computer so here you go:
http://thecellphonejunkie.com/2011/...olt-will-have-simultaneous-3g-voice-and-data/
http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2861/64/
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Good info, thanks.
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No problem! I'm just sharing what I've been reading but it's entirely possible that "need bb" knows something that I don't...
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Ok, so I was interested in checking out the LTE speeds and wanted to test out the ability to do SVDO. I went to my local Verizon store and realized that My area doesn't have 4G yet. Duh! lol. And when inspecting the phone itself I could not find a way to turn on or any mention of LTE in any way anywhere on the phone! Hmmmm. So then I tried to test SVDO. I called one t-bolt with the other display t-bolt and then tried to surf. Newp. no can do. The call went thru so Its all setup but maybe it had no sim card?? I didn't check. Maybe my area doesn't have SVDO yet either? Can anyone now confirm simultaneous voice and data??? Now that people have got the phone in their hands now.
I am not in a 4G area and I can confirm the phone does voice and data simultaneously, very well, I might add
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I am not in a 4G area and I can confirm the phone does voice and data simultaneously, very well, I might add
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Hmmmm, I wonder what I was doing wrong??
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Hmmmm, I wonder what I was doing wrong??
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You know my verizon rep said a funny thing today when I asked him about the voice/data at the same time on 3G...he actually said "we don't guarantee that will work yet and that the network is still being worked on in some places to enable this feature for certain devices like the Thunderbolt" I had already tried it on the demo TB so I wasn't worried but maybe that's why it's not working for you.
I can also confirm that in a non 4g area it does both voice and data at the same time... nice feature I didn't expect.
Hmm, yeah I guess as usual my area is slow at upgrading the network. Man, if Verizon would pay my etf on Sprint I would be all over that thing.
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Your post makes no sense bud. The phone has the following specs:
CDMA 1X/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
CDMA LTE - 700MHz
Rev A Capable
The phone has one of 2 possibilities:
1. In an area with no 4G coverage, the phone will simply not work as advertised. It will act just like any other 3G smartphone.
2. The more likely option, and I say likely mostly because they like to avoid class actions: Verizon partly delayed the phone in order to upgrade the towers and networks with the ability to process 3G data and calls simultaneously.
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I work for verizon and you are right they have changed on the network side making simultanious voice and data through both 4G and 3G and it was done on the network not on the phone itself. Now I don't know if this was the reason for the month and a half delay or not but makes sense. From what I heard from my friend in the testing department it had to do with battery.
I don't know about you guys but I really love the fact that all the naysayers that simultaneous voice and data is impossible can finally shut up. LOL
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I just got mine today and so far im very happy. The pentile display isn't at all noticeable (and im pretty nit picky). The rep did say that it appears that they've improved the screen on newer stock. I timed my purchase so that if the epic 4g touch (galaxy s 2) comes out next month as is expected then i should still be in the 30 day return policy.
On another note, i found out today that apparently sprint is switching to or adding a 4g LTE network. Not sure if this will replace wimax or supplement it. So far I've heard this from three different sprint employees who i know and trust.
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On another note, i found out today that apparently sprint is switching to or adding a 4g LTE network. Not sure if this will replace wimax or supplement it. So far I've heard this from three different sprint employees who i know and trust.
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Sorry not trying to be mean or anything but that's not news. It's been reported for a while now.
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Sorry not trying to be mean or anything but that's not news. It's been reported for a while now.
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Yeah Sprint signed a deal to install LTE, and since Sprint has stopped with their Wimax installs I would say that they are switching gears and going to LTE instead of Wimax. From what the network engineers have told me, its a simple software upgrade so I'm hoping my new Photon will not be obsolete.
I'm not 100% on a simple software upgrade but after LTE is put up wimax will still be around for a year or 2 after the fact so we won't be obsolete for that time frame...
If you are close to upgrading now, you shouldn't wait it will be awhile before they start releasing phones for LTE,
I work for sprint and we have got newsletters that Dan Hesse will announce our 4g lte plans in october.
Lightsquare is the company sprint signed the deal with
And more than that it will be a while before there is a wide LTE deployment anywhere but a major city. LTE isn't going to be a serious factor for most sprint customers for two years at least.
(I live in a city with one million people in the metro area and we still don't have WiMAX... I'm not holding my breath for 4g service anytime soon.)
One thing to keep in mind, is that Sprint could very well continue to make use of WiMAX alongside of LTE technology. WiMAX is PURELY for data, whereas LTE is used for both. There is no reason why LTE has to necessarily replace WiMAX.
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Yeah Sprint signed a deal to install LTE, and since Sprint has stopped with their Wimax installs I would say that they are switching gears and going to LTE instead of Wimax. From what the network engineers have told me, its a simple software upgrade so I'm hoping my new Photon will not be obsolete.
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From my understanding it's not just a simple sofware upgrade for phones. The Photon doesn't have the LTE radios installed to receive the signal.
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From my understanding it's not just a simple sofware upgrade for phones. The Photon doesn't have the LTE radios installed to receive the signal.
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But from what I have read and have been corrected in another thread the LTE will be on 3 different spectrum's not just one like Verizon. There is some website that shows the hardware differences and stuff and in there is info on how they will implement LTE.
Snippet from http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219837
Currently, Sprint/Nextel/Clear has three different protocols on three different spectrum bands distibuted on 82,000 towers. By comparison, Verizon and AT&T have about 40,000 towers each. Network Vision will reduce the number of towers to around 45,000 to 50,000 towers, while setting up the remaining towers to handle all three spectrum bands (800 MHz, 1.9 GHz, and 2.5 GHz) and any protocol (CDMA, Wimax, LTE, etc). This will provide Sprint with substantial savings in maintenance costs.
No WiMax yet
In Omaha we don't even have WiMax yet, does this mean we never will and the Photon will never be more than a 3G phone?
I'm a.happy e3d owner but knowing that the photon is a world phone with gsm radios on top of cdma I have a question..now that you guys have an unlocked bootloader (congratulations) do you think its possible that the photon will be able to run on t mobile or at&t LTE bands or at least hspa+ That would be pretty sick knowing that Wimax on sprint is.pretty useless at least for me...
I'm a Sprint Product Launch Ambassador for the Photon 4G and a corporate Sprint Technician.
The Network is upgradable, but the phones are not. Choose to upgrade today and I'll bet you a fiver you'll be up for upgrade again by the time LTE is actually flipped on.
The Network Vision equipment is so modular, that multiple technologies can be run in one single Base Station. Easy to upgrade, switch out, and plenty of slots to run LTE + Wimax concurrently.
I highly doubt our network engineers are going to get a mandate that states shut down Wimax on X day, and leave all users out in the cold with those devices. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It will be just like the current migration of Iden, those who choose to move over to CDMA on their next upgrade can do so, those who choose not to (that NEED PTT as a requirement) will have the option to use the new Direct Connect Network when they are ready to upgrade phones later...as it's easier to just drop the Iden line of Phones and carry the next gen CDMA Nextel line in it's place for upgraders to choose from. Something that will give us a 2 year buffer for those clinging to the PTT service as a must before it's shut down completely...but by then, no one will have not had the opportunity during an upgrade to choose CDMA totally or the new CDMA PTT services.
So, that means those cities that don't already have WiMax will still get it on schedule in spite of the move to LTE?
Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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You really shouldn't let 4g be the deciding factor. I have 4g where I live and I don't even use it once a month. 4g is a battery hog. Besides even if it wasn't and you were putting 4g to good use on Verizon your bill would be through the roof.
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Switch to verizon if you want to pay $80 a month for 10 gigs of data.
dustbuckets said:
Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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dustbuckets said:
Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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I can count on my thumb how many times I have switched on 4G on my Photon the last two weeks.
I'm sure i'm not the only one who has posted this but i have more information on it. Sprint has already started the phasing out wimax. Wimax signal in various areas in Texas(San Antonio, Some of Houston, and Bits of Dallas).
They're currently in phase 1 of launching LTE, the difference to be seen will be obviously faster 4G(from a max of 10 mps with Wimax to 68 on LTE), better battery life due to it using a more passive scan and automatic connection. More 4G in more areas, even in rural areas and suburbs.
On top of the LTE upgrade, we will have significantly better 3G and will rarely fall down to 1x. There are no devices currently but we will be getting the Galaxy Nexus(pretty much the same version as Verizon).
Obviously our beloved 3D's will be left without complete usage after Q2, when LTE will be the new Sprint Standard and Wimax will be mostly gone. Rumors are springing up that right after the Galaxy Nexus comes available to Sprint consumers, that Samsung, and HTC will be releasing LTE phones similar to the Epic Touch 2 and evo 4g/3D(another 3d phone is not guaranteed).
This is information from article that are true, from a family friend that is a field technician for sprint, and Tech support agent with sprint, and the conferences posted on sprint's website
I'm not sure if HTC is going to make an Evo LTE. They are usually first with this stuff and it seems like the Galaxy Nexus will be the first Sprint LTE device. Still, there is the possibility of an Evo LTE.
if all that happens, and we get to keep our unlimited data plans ill be forever joyful
after Q2, when LTE will be the new Sprint Standard and Wimax will be mostly gone.
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Not true. Wimax will continue to work until at least the end of 2013. They are just not expanding it anymore, but it will still work.
sitlet said:
Not true. Wimax will continue to work until at least the end of 2013. They are just not expanding it anymore, but it will still work.
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Right.
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Cool. So I'll be able to change phones at the end of my two year contract. Awesome.
Evo_J said:
I'm sure i'm not the only one who has posted this but i have more information on it. Sprint has already started the phasing out wimax. Wimax signal in various areas in Texas(San Antonio, Some of Houston, and Bits of Dallas).
They're currently in phase 1 of launching LTE, the difference to be seen will be obviously faster 4G(from a max of 10 mps with Wimax to 68 on LTE), better battery life due to it using a more passive scan and automatic connection. More 4G in more areas, even in rural areas and suburbs.
On top of the LTE upgrade, we will have significantly better 3G and will rarely fall down to 1x. There are no devices currently but we will be getting the Galaxy Nexus(pretty much the same version as Verizon).
Obviously our beloved 3D's will be left without complete usage after Q2, when LTE will be the new Sprint Standard and Wimax will be mostly gone. Rumors are springing up that right after the Galaxy Nexus comes available to Sprint consumers, that Samsung, and HTC will be releasing LTE phones similar to the Epic Touch 2 and evo 4g/3D(another 3d phone is not guaranteed).
This is information from article that are true, from a family friend that is a field technician for sprint, and Tech support agent with sprint, and the conferences posted on sprint's website
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Lotta false info. Gotta love it.
tailsthecat3 said:
Lotta false info. Gotta love it.
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I'm not going to side with the op on saying that everything posted is right, but from where I come from if you shoot a rebuttal, you have to attach the facts.... Facts please?
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Per the agreement with Clearwire, 4G Wimax will remain available for Sprint customers at least through 2015.
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I'm not going to side with the op on saying that everything posted is right, but from where I come from if you shoot a rebuttal, you have to attach the facts.... Facts please?
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Here's the rebuttal
http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/01/sprint-and-clearwire-ink-new-4g-wimax-and-lte-agreement/
Now where is the fact the OP got? That's right, a "friend". He is full of ****
Evo_J said:
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This is from a family friend that is a field technician for sprint.....
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And the world is gonna end December 21,2012.....no LTE for anyone
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Jayavarman said:
Per the agreement with Clearwire, 4G Wimax will remain available for Sprint customers at least through 2015.
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+ 10000000000 that's what I was gonna say noobs lol
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Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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can i haz Q1 roadmap/training documents plz?
luck13lefty said:
Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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No, You are wrong. They will not run Tri-mode. Though Sprint did mention at the CES that there is a Sierra Wireless Tri-Network Hotspot device that will work with 3G/Wimax/Lte.
"The new tri-network (CDMA, WiMAX, LTE) mobile hotspot offers that for data-hungry customers. Owen said that tri-network phones are cost prohibitive, so it will offer CDMA/WiMax and CDMA/LTE devices at the same time as it completes its transition from WiMax to LTE 4G networking technologies. " - source: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/ne....com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=21930619=3475
sitlet said:
Not true. Wimax will continue to work until at least the end of 2013. They are just not expanding it anymore, but it will still work.
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Wrong again. Sprint has stated many times they are committed to supporting WiMax THROUGH 2015.
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luck13lefty said:
Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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no offense but you also are wrong as previously noted by another poster in regards to tri-mode stuff. Hotspot device is the only one that will be "tri-band."
And all the info about the Sprint Nexus was mentioned at/during CES so you being an employee has nothing to do with it really.
From what I understand...
From what I understand...
Sprint will be supporting WiMax up through at least 2015. That is not to say they will or will not continue to support it after 2015, just that they are contractually obligated to through 2015.
WiMax will be supported, but no new WiMax towers will be setup (no expansion)
All Current iDen, 3G, and WiMax towers will receive the new multi-mode (iDen/3G/LTE) upgrades. that is to say that all current towers will gain iDen, 3G, and LTE functionality, but not WiMax. The WiMax towers will thus be iDen/3G/LTE/WiMax towers.
Again this is only what I understand, not to say that it is 100% correct or if I am 100% correct in my understanding, what will actually happen (things don't always go according to plan).
P.S. I have attached what I feel is the most relevant slide from the Oct 7, 2011 Network Vision Strategy Update (Do a Google search for "Network Vision Strategy Update" and it should be the first pdf).
Raghnall said:
From what I understand...
Sprint will be supporting WiMax up through at least 2015. That is not to say they will or will not continue to support it after 2015, just that they are contractually obligated to through 2015.
WiMax will be supported, but no new WiMax towers will be setup (no expansion)
All Current iDen, 3G, and WiMax towers will receive the new multi-mode (iDen/3G/LTE) upgrades. that is to say that all current towers will gain iDen, 3G, and LTE functionality, but not WiMax. The WiMax towers will thus be iDen/3G/LTE/WiMax towers.
Again this is only what I understand, not to say that it is 100% correct or if I am 100% correct in my understanding, what will actually happen (things don't always go according to plan).
P.S. I have attached what I feel is the most relevant slide from the Oct 7, 2011 Network Vision Strategy Update (Do a Google search for "Network Vision Strategy Update" and it should be the first pdf).
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One thing your wrong about is that it wont be ALL towers getting the network vision upgrade. BUT the ones that dont get it will NOT be used any more. Part of NetworkVision is eliminating some towers for them completely.
Well, Sprint just turned on 4g wimax in parts of Memphis so it seems they are still expanding their wimax coverage.
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Well, Sprint just turned on 4g wimax in parts of Memphis so it seems they are still expanding their wimax coverage.
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Sprint isn't, but Clear probably is.
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Apparently some GNex users in Athens, GA have a live LTE tower... Let's hope this holds up...
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oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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It runs like what you speak of. Not only a gsm thing. My dads verizon Droid Razr works same way too.
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JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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Great question... With 4G, it didn't even feel like a mobile data connection... Hopefully LTE auto-searches and quickly connects while using the same or less battery.
Also, everyone, the 30mb/s won't stay for long... Once more towers are active and more lte phones are available, which is probably this summer, speeds will be down again.
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It runs like what you speak of. Not only a gsm thing. My dads verizon Droid Razr works same way too.
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Hmm so you have to search for it on Verizon LTE devices as well?!
It is most likely a placebo but I never use 4G because of the fact I feel as if it is like a wifi that can go away or weaken in reception depending on where I go...I like the GSM way of handling 3.5G/4G
*I have had T-Mobile for 6 years, just currently switched to a iPhone 4S with sprint in January...regretting it :|
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
OMG... That's even faster than my router.
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JaY iZz BaKk said:
Hmm so you have to search for it on Verizon LTE devices as well?!
It is most likely a placebo but I never use 4G because of the fact I feel as if it is like a wifi that can go away or weaken in reception depending on where I go...I like the GSM way of handling 3.5G/4G
*I have had T-Mobile for 6 years, just currently switched to a iPhone 4S with sprint in January...regretting it :|
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No, LOL. It auto switches and connects like 1x and 3g do... That iPhone is probably the issue though.
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mike.r.olson said:
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
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5 mbps down on CDMA? Good luck. Sprint isn't just upgrading to LTE. They are doing a huge overhaul of their 3G network using lots of options including massively improved backhaul. From the speed tests I've seen in network vision areas so far, their 3G network should be on par with verizons network as far as speed goes. Coverage will be improved by about 20% as well. I agree they should upgrade to EVDO revision B, although I'm not sure what upgrades would be involved in that.
Back on the topic of the first post though, hot damn. I know speeds will drop once more people start using it, but those are impressive initial results.
ncfastls1 said:
5 mbps down on CDMA? Good luck. Sprint isn't just upgrading to LTE. They are doing a huge overhaul of their 3G network using lots of options including massively improved backhaul. From the speed tests I've seen in network vision areas so far, their 3G network should be on par with verizons network as far as speed goes. Coverage will be improved by about 20% as well. I agree they should upgrade to EVDO revision B, although I'm not sure what upgrades would be involved in that.
Back on the topic of the first post though, hot damn. I know speeds will drop once more people start using it, but those are impressive initial results.
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From the little bit I've read about EV-DO revision B, it wouldn't involve any hardware upgrades. It would only involve a "firmware upgrade", if I remember it correctly. But yeah, 30+ Mb/s down is pretty sick. Even after "full-spectrum saturation", if we could get 10Mb/s in half of their 3G footprint, I'd be satisfied.
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yousefak said:
Great question... With 4G, it didn't even feel like a mobile data connection... Hopefully LTE auto-searches and quickly connects while using the same or less battery.
Also, everyone, the 30mb/s won't stay for long... Once more towers are active and more lte phones are available, which is probably this summer, speeds will be down again.
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That is the reason that Sprint is only advertising speeds on LTE just below what Verizon is advertising. For the most part people in unsaturated markets will see speeds exceeding 20Mbps down on a good day. And those speeds may even hold up that high once Sprint starts releasing LTE on 800MHz next year as well. And according to some stuff that people have gotten access to, Sprint will be setting up phones to dynamically switch between LTE on 800, 1900, & 2500 so as to keep cell sites from being over-burdened. It will be a while before Sprint's LTE starts to suffer from over-crowding.
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mike.r.olson said:
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
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Sprint last fall flat out stated that they are not going to roll out EV-DO B. Network Vision will max out the capabilities of EV-DO A while they roll-out LTE on 1900 and 800. After that is complete and LTE Advanced is rolling out, they will be able to start taking existing 1900 EV-DO carriers and transition them to LTE as well. I expect that eventually, EV-DO will be phased out for a completely IP-based voice network using VoLTE. And Sprint is even releasing some devices with SVDO on EV-DO A so you can talk and surf at the same time until LTE is covering their entire network footprint.
JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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Looking at the viper 4g lte options it seems there is no "on-off" setting for 4g lte. Looks like it will just be there. My area doesn't have lte yet so I can't be positive but I definately could not find a 4g setting of any kind
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I'll say it over and over again. Sprint doesn't have a 4G network. Also, Verizon has 50+M down and 12+M up
Then again, at this point in time who needs more than 3-4M down. just upgrade to rev-b and done.
This is a common thing for my WiMAX at the house but WiMAX is so freaking glitchy.
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This is typical WiMAX in my area.
1900mhz is going to be set up 5x5, but no confirmation if 800 and 2.5 will be set up on 5x5 though. More than likely they will be set up on 10x10 since there is a ****load more spectrum on there, especially 2.5GHz. There is 120mhz of spectrum in the 2.5GHz frequency that Clearwire owns.
mike.r.olson said:
From the little bit I've read about EV-DO revision B, it wouldn't involve any hardware upgrades. It would only involve a "firmware upgrade", if I remember it correctly. But yeah, 30+ Mb/s down is pretty sick. Even after "full-spectrum saturation", if we could get 10Mb/s in half of their 3G footprint, I'd be satisfied.
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and yet a year later i am gettn 38 mbs down
I have gone back and forth a couple times now. I ran the RUU to go to 4.3 Android (Htc official side loaded RUU) and I live in the Los Angeles area. My signal is absolutely ridiculous. Updated radios, current version of HBOOT and other drivers, I hoped that I would pick up 4g LTE in my area because the sprint coverage map shows that my location has it available for the EvoLTE. Going back to my device I am having 2G Edge and the slowest 3G of my life!
Has this been happening to you guys as well?
I made sure to select LTE/CDMA for my antenna options but no change.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!
rohanpatelt7 said:
I have gone back and forth a couple times now. I ran the RUU to go to 4.3 Android (Htc official side loaded RUU) and I live in the Los Angeles area. My signal is absolutely ridiculous. Updated radios, current version of HBOOT and other drivers, I hoped that I would pick up 4g LTE in my area because the sprint coverage map shows that my location has it available for the EvoLTE. Going back to my device I am having 2G Edge and the slowest 3G of my life!
Has this been happening to you guys as well?
I made sure to select LTE/CDMA for my antenna options but no change.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!
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Personally, I'd call Sprint and complain. That being said, it's a kind of well known fact that the EVO LTE's don't always have the best reception. ie two people in the same location with Sprint service, one on the EVO LTE, the other with a different device. The other person gets 4g LTE and the EVO user doesn't.
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Evolution_Freak said:
Personally, I'd call Sprint and complain. That being said, it's a kind of well known fact that the EVO LTE's don't always have the best reception. ie two people in the same location with Sprint service, one on the EVO LTE, the other with a different device. The other person gets 4g LTE and the EVO user doesn't.
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I can tell you from experience that Sprint doesn't seem to care if your service is crappy. Your best bet is to go with a carrier with better coverage. I was with Sprint for 10+ years.