SO, I have a Samsung Focus and I have a HTC Titan (both AT&T Branded). I also have a AT&T 3g Microcell.
BTW, Has anyone seen an AT&T Titan show 3G at all or anything other than 4G?
Anyways... Here is where the AT&T Titan lies about 4G service.... the 3G Microcell only support a maximum of UMTS. It does not support HSDPA, HSUPA, HSPA, HSPA+, or LTE. Only HSPA+ & LTE are official 4G technologies as classified by the ITU.
On my girlfriends and my phone (when attached to the microcell) it shows 4G (we both have Titans). And Yes, I am positive we are on the microcell since both our phones list AT&T Microcell as the carrier.
I think AT&T is starting to pull one over on people with the Titan. Wish I had a Focus S to verify what it says too....
It has been reported that ATT is branding some H devices as 4G, not even H+... but the Titan is indeed H+. I haven't been very far with my Titan yet, so I wouldn't know if it ever shows 3G.
I may be a bit confused with the network types; to my understanding there is
GSM
Edge
3G
H
H+ (aka '4G')
4G LTE
My HTC Titan has shown E for the Edge network as it has also displayed 4G for HSPA + as well.
link68759 said:
It has been reported that ATT is branding some H devices as 4G, not even H+... but the Titan is indeed H+. I haven't been very far with my Titan yet, so I wouldn't know if it ever shows 3G.
I may be a bit confused with the network types; to my understanding there is
GSM
Edge
3G
H
H+ (aka '4G')
4G LTE
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I know the Titan does have the HSPA+ capability, that was not my gripe. My grip is that AT&T is listing a true 3G network as 4G which is a bold faced lie altogether and causes us to question if we truely are on 4G or not. Not the fact the device support it or not.
SO, all these throttling threads and stuff about 4G can not use the Titan as a testing source as the tester can not trust if they truely are on 4G or not. Thus skewing true testing results and perceived capabilities.
I live in Las Vegas and AT&T has had HSPA+ for a while and recently LTE. The issue I have, is I can't tell which network I am on wether it be 3G, HSPA+ or LTE since the Titan always will show 4G for all of them.
As added info for you about network types, your 3G disgnation is the same as the network types that I listed. 3G Network types include (In order of evolution):
UMTS - True Desgination for 3G
HSDPA - 3.x
HSUPA - 3.x
HSPA - 3.x
The 3.x is where I am not sure about the history of their release but I know one of them was refered to 3.5g before the true 4g designation came out for HSPA+ & LTE.
I don't think the titan has lte support, so you're definitely not on that.
The best way to go about this I guess is finding the diagnostic menu: where you dial some number and it gives you hidden info and options.
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AT&T GoPhone Service here with X310e from Europe, it stay on H all the time, displayed as "3G" sometime.
maybe the way they display the icon on the Europe Phone is different.
Anyone confirm as H is HSPDA+?
BTW, i don't download torrent on my phone either.
Its not exactly a lie. Yes, 4G is now the old 3G. When the other carriers started calling their service 4G, it made AT&Ts service look slower (when reality is that ATT 3G was the fastest).
4G was supposed to be LTE, but the marketing departments screwed that one by trying to one-up each other.
So, the answer is that where you saw 3G previously, you will now see 4G.
I have two microcells and they both show 4G on my Titan as well.
Blame the marketing departments (at all the carriers) for using the 4G moniker where it did not belong.
LTE will hopefully be LTE.
I've seen E, H & 4G on my at&t Titan
You see H? That's a good sign, at least; we can differentiate from E, H and H+. My town is fairly rural and is also a historical district, so I find it extremely suspect that there is 4G wherever I've gone, but I guess we've somehow become modern.
I have also never seen "H", only E and 4G, but I've only been in 3 small towns since I've had my Titan. My "4G" speeds are very 3G-like too... (between 1-2Mbps down and .75Mbps up)
Is there any way to see more detailed radio information in the OS? I dont really trust the indicator at the top of the screen.
As someone quoted the ITU designations. In their final decission it was declared that only technologies being theoretically able to reach speeds of up to 100 Mbps are actually 4G.
This means that WiMax, LTE and HSPA+ don't qualify as 4G. Currently LTE Advanced and WiMax 2 would be the only ones.
The idea of calling HSPA+ 4G as far as I know originates from T-Mobile USA as they are not about to deploy LTE/Wimax anytime soon.
That's even beyond the point. Didn't ATT say HSPA+ users should see actual speeds of around 6Mbps? Many aren't even getting the upper range of "3G" speeds.
I just got off the phone with ATT CS and he did tell me I am NOT in a 4G area, even though my phone is saying so. He told me the nearest 4G area was about 20 minutes south, which is exactly what their data map shows. From that I take that ATT is just calling their 3G network 4G, at least on this phone.
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As someone quoted the ITU designations. In their final decission it was declared that only technologies being theoretically able to reach speeds of up to 100 Mbps are actually 4G.
This means that WiMax, LTE and HSPA+ don't qualify as 4G. Currently LTE Advanced and WiMax 2 would be the only ones.
The idea of calling HSPA+ 4G as far as I know originates from T-Mobile USA as they are not about to deploy LTE/Wimax anytime soon.
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That is false, the ITU adjusted this decision and enveloped HSPA+, Wimax and LTE into the 4G fold.
"As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as '4G,' although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed,"
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
In relation to this post, I have used my Interop Unlocked Focus all around this area and home. On my Focus I enabled the ability for it to show 3G+ areas and I was able to map out areas that were E, G, 3G and 3G+
However, when I trek those same areas with my Titan, I see a somewhat magical "4G" over all 3G and 3G+ areas.
Whether these areas were all H+ capable the whole time is unsure, but somehow I tend to doubt it.
As of yet, I have never seen 3G but I have seen E and G on my Titan.
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I don't think the titan has lte support, so you're definitely not on that.
The best way to go about this I guess is finding the diagnostic menu: where you dial some number and it gives you hidden info and options.
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I just tried that on my Titan by dialing ##3282#, and all the diagnostics are for 3G, HSDPA, no item for HSPDA+, still on screen my phone shows 4G.
arg... is there any way to infiltrate ATT's customer support and actually talk to an engineer, no tricks or PR crap?
I just thought that I'd chime in and say that my HTC Titan shows "3G" when I am at my place of work in Franklin Lakes, NJ.... so it must say 3G for some networks at least.
Do you have an unlocked international phone or an ATT phone?
Is there a Registry Editor for the Titan yet? If so, I wonder if you can change the 4G to what you want it to be like you can on the Samsung Focus? On the Focus, you have the option to change each individual network to show whatever you want it to show.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Connectivity \CellularUx\DataConnectionIcon
6G Speeds on Samsung Focus
Using ATT's methods, I've modified my Samsung Focus to receive 6G Speeds. Yes, this is the SAME method ATT uses to get 4G speeds...
They just edit the Registry like I did.
I believe the ATRIX is technically 4g but was wondering if anyone has seen 4g in the status bar ever? Im on AT&T and have seen 3g and h+ but no 4g. I know AT&T calls h+ 4g but it isn't really. I was also told that AT&T hasn't released 4g speeds yet but that was months ago. With the new ipad out that is 4g does that mean 4g speeds are available now and has anyone seen it on the ATRIX using AT&T ?
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Atrix only supports HSPA+, no LTE
You won't see LTE on the Atrix as the radio isn't capable of LTE. You will only ever see 4G come up on your Atrix if you edit the appropriate system files to show this instead of H+ or 3G. As was said, Atrix is only capable of HSPA which is what AT&T called 4G before they rolled out LTE.
Hi everyone, just had a quick question about LTE and cm9. Currently my phone displays an H, but if I was in an LTE area, would it say LTE or something else? Also will the default apn settings for cm9 enable LTE when I am in that area? Thanks!
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In my experience, it will display the 4G icon in LTE areas, and the H for HSPA+ area's.
Right, In aosp the signal indicates exactly what it should, not those bs lies the carriers spit out, confusing people...
They have been selling HSPA as 4g for years, when it's not a new technology, it's just 3g better implemented, so it's like 3.5g.
Lte is the true new tech, so it's actually 4g, which is what aosp says.
E= edge 2g
3g= self explanatory
H=HSPA (what has been sold as 4g)
4g=LTE (actual 4g)
Hey all, I'm starting a bounty and I personally will pay $50 for anyone that can help get 3G on T-Mobile in the refarmed areas (1900mhz) I will help anyone that's attempting to make this work and needs testing because I am located in a refarmed area. I followed the thread that got AT&T working by writing the NV values, I also tried the Sensation NV values but still stuck on EDGE. I figured the refarming process wasn't finished, however I decided to pop my sim card into my old Pantech Matrix Pro 3G (850/1900) and to my surprise it was on 3G where as it has always used EDGE before the refarming of my area. I live in Jersey City and everywhere around I get a consistent and strong 3G signal on this Pantech Matrix Pro. I've seen a lot of people saying you'll have to wait till your area gets refarmed to 1900 to use TMO 3G on the Rezound but I am proof that the refarming still does not allow the Rezound to lock onto 3G when on T-Mobile and that there must be an underlying problem with the Rezound itself.
1900 is 4g
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If I'm not mistaking the 1900 spectrum being refarmed allows for 3g and 4g because a bunch of non T-Mobile iPhone's and other phones such as the Inspire, Vivid, etc have been reported getting 3G in the refarmed areas.
Hi all. I recently updated to the September security patch. For some reason after the update my signal icon displays "4g" instead of "LTE." I do have LTE coverage (western US) and speeds, and it had always said LTE before. I have no idea why it now shows "4g" instead and can't figure out how to change it back. Anyone else run into this problem?
4g and lte are the exact same thing. It's just an icon. Why does it matter or is it that you just prefer to look at lte instead of 4g?
Just part of the update is all.
I think everywhere else in the world calls it 4g it's just America who has to be different and call it lte
garylawwd said:
4g and lte are the exact same thing. It's just an icon. Why does it matter or is it that you just prefer to look at lte instead of 4g?
Just part of the update is all.
I think everywhere else in the world calls it 4g it's just America who has to be different and call it lte
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Thanks for your response. With my particular carrier there are a few different 4G frequencies. I've been with them for years and have grown accustomed to what signals they designate as LTE, 4G, 3G, etc. So it's partly a convenience factor but also somewhat of a mystery as it was showing the LTE icon then post-update shows 4G.