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Dear all,
I am absolutely looking for a cable headphone remote control for my Blackstone. The E100 headset does not work and I do not want to use a bluetooth headset as I want to avoid as much radiation as possible.
Do you know a compatible headset with remote control for the music player?
Thanks!
What you are looking for doesn't exist, and you could have really searched this forum before asking this question.
And you are kidding about the radiation thing, aren't you?
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What you are looking for doesn't exist, and you could have really searched this forum before asking this question.
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Ok, does anyone know, if HTC is going to release something like that?
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And you are kidding about the radiation thing, aren't you?
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Certainly I'm not. The Federal Ministry of Health have published a paper in collaboration with some universities, showing that the daily radiation that we are exposed to, provokes health damages. Well, I think, that's nothing suprising - and we are exposed to radiation all day - so, in my opinion, we should reduce it as much as possible.
That's why I am really angry that there is no such thing as a cable remote control, as it exists (E100) but not usable with the expensive Touch HD. So where's the problem? Why not making it compatible with the Touch HD? I do not see any reason.
The problem is lack of audio in the extUSB jack. It's all going to a much easier marketed 3.5 one.
lamajstro said:
Certainly I'm not. The Federal Ministry of Health have published a paper in collaboration with some universities, showing that the daily radiation that we are exposed to, provokes health damages. Well, I think, that's nothing suprising - and we are exposed to radiation all day - so, in my opinion, we should reduce it as much as possible.
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I don't want to start a flame war, but just by carrying a phone you're exposing yourself to several times more radiation than a bluetooth headset could possibly emit. Here's a quick article on BusinessWeek:
But because it's a good idea to err on the side of caution in such matters, regulatory bodies have set exposure standards. These are expressed in terms of the "specific absorption rate" (SAR), which attempts to measure the radiation actually reaching body tissue. The U.S. and Canadian governments have set a maximum SAR of 1.6 watts per kilogram, while the European Union permits a slightly higher level.
"INSIGNIFICANT BY COMPARISON." In the real world, emissions generally stay well below the maximum allowed. According to data from BlackBerry-maker Research in Motion (RIMM ), SARs for GSM BlackBerry devices (those sold by Cingular and T-Mobile in the U.S.) fall in the range of 0.25 watts per kilogram when used at your ear.
Bluetooth radios operate at much lower power levels than phones so, not surprisingly, the radiation added by a Bluetooth headset is insignificant by comparison. A study by William G. Scanlon of Queen's University in Belfast found that a typical Ericsson (ERICY ) Bluetooth radio module generates an SAR of just 0.001 watts per kilogram.
So, if you're worried about the health impact of radio waves, remember that the phone itself is a much greater source of concern than a Bluetooth headset. That's especially true because, when you're using Bluetooth, the BlackBerry is likely positioned much farther from your body -- and especially your brain -- than when holding the phone up to your ear.
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There are bluetooth units with available that hang around your neck and into which you plug your headphones, like this Jabra unit. This would mean that the only radiation is at your chest and not next to your brain. Perhaps that might be a solution?
SiliconS said:
I don't want to start a flame war, but just by carrying a phone you're exposing yourself to several times more radiation than a bluetooth headset could possibly emit. Here's a quick article on BusinessWeek:
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No problem, thanks for the link. Well, I'm aware of that and I know that we are exposed to radiation even if I go by train. But: You do not have to expose yourself to even more radiation if it is not really necessary and not making it possible to use the E100 cable rc is not necessary!
SiliconS said:
There are bluetooth units with available that hang around your neck and into which you plug your headphones, like this Jabra unit. This would mean that the only radiation is at your chest and not next to your brain. Perhaps that might be a solution?
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Yes, I've seen this one. But same problem. I really would prefer a cable rc.
I thought, perhaps it is just a software issue, that the sound is sent to the 3,5mm jack...
regardless of radiation that and wifi this and stardust that
the only thing certain in life that needs no amount of academia to prove or disprove is.......
once you hit 25 you are dying and its a non stop slide into oblivion
ooo ps:
here in the UK a little while back, some academic scare mongering types published a paper that "proved" wired headsets INCREASED the exposure to the radiation our fones emit
then again, its academia that have set up a (broken) experiment under the alps that with either do nothing or create a black hole ending the world and its surrounds
go figure?!?!
the outcome of such research, changes and contradicts itself so frequently (and depending on who is actually funding it) that all bar what is common sense (eat well, dont do "poisons" (drink and drugs) exercise etc), is pretty worthless
ive been such a researcher so i know most of its twaddle, ive generated some of it!
Hi,
I want to buy an Atrix but have concerns about SAR rates. I may buy the Atrix or the 4g one but I have a question about it.
Under UMTS I 2100 frequency, is there a difference between SAR values of Atrix and the 4g Atrix?
Also, may I find a chart like the one attached?
Thanks in advance...
I don't know about that... It seems like the SAR value are not so popular anymore - people and manufacturers don't really seem to care about them anymore.
In any case, here's one point... You get irradiated even without using a mobile phone, because wireless networks are basically everywhere around us... One extra bit of a radiation punch in your body (from your phone) isn't really gonna hurt. But that's just me...
I honestly feel that the SAR are completely irrelevant. I'll put it this way, the sun is orders of magnitude more dangerous than your cell phone. quick physics explanations, electromagnetic waves as most know range from radio to gamma waves. These waves are not continuous like most believe instead comprised of individual photons. The power rating for radio is essentially the energy of the photons times the number of photons. So quick example say some source of radio waves produces 4 photons a sec each with one joule. The power output would be 4watts in that case. Lets also say a source of visible light produces one photon per second that has 4 joules of power. This would also be rated at 4 watts.
So think of it this way lets say you get hit with 100 foam dodge balls. it might hard but the force is distributed so it's not that bad. Now lets say you get hit with a bullet which has the same force as the 100 dodge balls. But how which one will you die from the bullet or 100 foam dodge balls.
This is analogous to the radio ways produced by your phone. it is essentially impossible for radio waves to cause damage to your body. Visible light form the sun is orders of magnitude stronger than anything your cell phone or a radio tower could produce
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I honestly feel that the SAR are completely irrelevant. I'll put it this way, the sun is orders of magnitude more dangerous than your cell phone. quick physics explanations, electromagnetic waves as most know range from radio to gamma waves. These waves are not continuous like most believe instead comprised of individual photons. The power rating for radio is essentially the energy of the photons times the number of photons. So quick example say some source of radio waves produces 4 photons a sec each with one joule. The power output would be 4watts in that case. Lets also say a source of visible light produces one photon per second that has 4 joules of power. This would also be rated at 4 watts.
So think of it this way lets say you get hit with 100 foam dodge balls. it might hard but the force is distributed so it's not that bad. Now lets say you get hit with a bullet which has the same force as the 100 dodge balls. But how which one will you die from the bullet or 100 foam dodge balls.
This is analogous to the radio ways produced by your phone. it is essentially impossible for radio waves to cause damage to your body. Visible light form the sun is orders of magnitude stronger than anything your cell phone or a radio tower could produce
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It makes sense, but... why is there so much fuss regarding this? I mean, if it is that simple... why do scientists still argue on this? Either for the media, either they're not actually scientists, either... well, it's not that simple... right?
Seriously, if you are not using your phone in low reception location. There is nothing to worry about.
Formhault said:
It makes sense, but... why is there so much fuss regarding this? I mean, if it is that simple... why do scientists still argue on this? Either for the media, either they're not actually scientists, either... well, it's not that simple... right
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My opinion? Fear-mongering, ignorance of science, and the media's constant hunger to feed its 24/7 news cycle. Combine that with a tendency to distort, overstate, or understate the facts (gotta sensationalize in order to draw in the idiot viewers), and you end up with mass confusion and unwarranted panic over the issues, particularly issues where science is involved.
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Seriously, if you are not using your phone in low reception location. There is nothing to worry about.
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When the signal is low, the phone is going to do anything just to sip some network, even kill you with radiation, lol.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y7tPczbOec&feature=youtu.be
Thoughts?
Don't be a fatty and sit on your phone i guess?
We all carry around an industrial press in our pants....don't we?? That was a couple minutes of my life I'll never get back.
Really.. ?
The fact it took less pressure to break completely than the iPhone 6 is a bit worrying....
Sorry, but I'm gonna take what a machine did to this phone with a grain of salt. I did see on another video where a guy tried to bend the S6 Edge with his hands, and just could not do it at all. I wouldn't worry about this phone bending in your pocket. I promise you, that if this machine took every phone you've owned, and put it to the test, most would bend just the same? Now I've never bent a phone in my whole life, have you?
wow...a phone bends in an industrial press...impressive. LOL All phones will break under a press like that. If it is made of metal it will bend and not go back as well. Bendgate was about the phone bending in peoples pocket from general use and overall pressure on the phone. My son actually had an iPhone 6 (not the plus) and it bent in his pocket. He was lucky that AT&T let him exchange it. This video just wasted a good phone for no reason.
The issue with the comparison with the IP6 "Bendgate" is wrong
What this demonstration misses, and what it makes people draw erroneous conclusions to, is that the iPhone 6 was easily bent by hand or in your pocket due to a particular weak spot around the volume buttons. This didn't require a machine to bend, it was performed by kids on Youtube. Drawing conclusions between how much pressure this machine took attempting to bend the phones from a point that was *not* the iPhone 6's original weak spot (in addition to Apply having quietly reinforced said weak spot since), causes people to believe that the S6 must, by way of not withstanding this machine's test, be as or more bendable than the iPhone 6 as it pertains to "bendgate", which is flat out wrong.
I think we can all agree, that we don't care how much pressure it takes to bend/break a phone, just so long as it is an unreasonable amount of pressure - phones being bent by kids and pant pockets are obviously below an acceptable threshold.
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The fact it took less pressure to break completely than the iPhone 6 is a bit worrying....
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Not really, both are at pressures that aren't really going to happen in your pocket. It's another benchmark test that is useless. Sit back and think about how many times your phone is going to experience a bending force like this. The only thing I can really think of, is if it is in your back pocket... but even then, why would you sit on your phone? It's uncomfortable, and you just spent a bunch of money on an electronic device you are going to sit on? You wouldn't sit on any of your other electronics.
The fact of the matter is, yes, maybe one phone can handle less stress than the other, but at 149 lbs vs 179 lbs, both are well above a normal bending force the phones will experience. It would be a worry if one of the phones failed at 20 lbs of force... But I doubt we will here about many stories of phones bending.
Also, what was stated earlier, it wasn't that the iphone wasn't strong enough, it was that it had a weak spot due to the design. So even though the galaxy s6 had a lower threshold, it most likely doesn't have a weak spot that significantly reduces the threshold to normal, everyday forces experienced by your phone.
At the launch event, Samsung went out of their way to point out that the s6 / s6e wouldn't bend easily..even cracking jokes about it. I'm also pretty sure they said their metal frame was 50% stronger than any competitor's, so something about this video doesn't sit right with me. Not that this worries me in any way, the whole thing is ridiculous.
I wouldn't worry about this, yet... When I hear of people bending phones in their pockets or easily walking into stores and bending display devices with their bare hands, then it will become an issue.
I've had the 6 plus since day 1 never had it bend. Not even warped a little. As long as your not a dumbass with your phone you should be good.
Honestly tho. Wait until unboxtherapy can do a bend test or someone like his test. Because a machine can obviously bend any phone. Proves next to nothing in real world usage terms.
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I've had the 6 plus since day 1 never had it bend. Not even warped a little. As long as your not a dumbass with your phone you should be good.
Honestly tho. Wait until unboxtherapy can do a bend test or someone like his test. Because a machine can obviously bend any phone. Proves next to nothing in real world usage terms.
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first of all., that video is of the s6 edge and the s6 edge has a thinner and smaller frame than the s6 so it is much easier to bend. second of all. the glass is curved and we all know what happens when you put force on a curved glass. it smashes easily compared to flat glass. Unless they do the s6, i would not trust that video. never the less, i am still getting the s6 edge because i like the design.
isn't it pathetic that Samsung always bashes apple like they did with iphone bendgate, then they slap their own face?
just like they mocked Apple for years about not having removable battery and SD card, and guess what? they slap their face again.
here's them being Hypocrites: https://twitter.com/SamsungMobile/status/515074944485449728/photo/1
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isn't it pathetic that Samsung always bashes apple like they did with iphone bendgate, then they slap their own face?
just like they mocked Apple for years about not having removable battery and SD card, and guess what? they slap their face again.
here's them being Hypocrites: https://twitter.com/SamsungMobile/status/515074944485449728/photo/1
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This is a moot point. No Samsung flagship to date has bent in a consumer's pocket or hands. Every device will bend/break at some point in a hydraulic press. I don't care for the negative advertising, but their point was accurate and still is with the S6 Edge.
CafeKampuchia said:
This is a moot point. No Samsung flagship to date has bent in a consumer's pocket or hands. Every device will bend/break at some point in a hydraulic press. I don't care for the negative advertising, but their point was accurate and still is with the S6 Edge.
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so would you have preferred if they used their hands instead? because i'm there will be a flood of them coming soon..
personally, i don't care if the phone bends, only an idiot would put their phone in their back pocket.
i'm only saying that Samsung is notorious for mocking Apple and with the Edge it looks like it will bend under the same pressure iphone did. point is, Samsung should learn keep their mouth shut and stop bashing apple, because they are starting to look just like them.
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so would you have preferred if they used their hands instead? because i'm there will be a flood of them coming soon..
personally, i don't care if the phone bends, only an idiot would put their phone in their back pocket.
i'm only saying that Samsung is notorious for mocking Apple and with the Edge it looks like it will bend under the same pressure iphone did. point is, Samsung should learn keep their mouth shut and stop bashing apple, because they are starting to look just like them.
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How's that comparable to iPhone 6+ story? The guy bent 3 ip6+ with his hands, unless someone does the same thing to the edge I call apple propaganda. You can tell by looking at which sites posted the video first
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How's that comparable to iPhone 6+ story? The guy bent 3 ip6+ with his hands, unless someone does the same thing to the edge I call apple propaganda. You can tell by looking at which sites posted the video first
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bgr is the worst. they act like an unbiased site until you see the articles they name and write. it is just pure bashing. they block my messages and disregard articles i sent to them because it does not "appeal" to apple.
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with the Edge it looks like it will bend under the same pressure iphone did.
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Only on the machine with fixed pressure points at both ends and the center of the device using bars to evenly distribute the load. But with the correct pressure points, the iPhone will bend under much less pressure. It has not yet been demonstrated that a Samsung flagship chassis will behave in the same way.
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bgr is the worst. they act like an unbiased site until you see the articles they name and write. it is just pure bashing. they block my messages and disregard articles i sent to them because it does not "appeal" to apple.
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I look through the titles of their articles... It is obvious that they hate Samsung.
Phone worked good in water. Had to hit the volume button to take the picture.
After take your Spen out for a little while. Ha ha I took my Spen out a couple of minutes ago and it water in it.
jason504 said:
After take your Spen out for a little while. Ha ha I took my Spen out a couple of minutes ago and it water in it.
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Have you had other Samsung Phones that were waterproof? Wondering how well the oleo phobic coating holds up after being submerged in that type of water. I was tempted to take it into the water last weekend...but I had no reason to so I didn't, hahaha.
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Have you had other Samsung Phones that were waterproof? Wondering how well the oleo phobic coating holds up after being submerged in that type of water. I was tempted to take it into the water last weekend...but I had no reason to so I didn't, hahaha.
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It still feels fine. Just like it did before I took it in the water. Now I did not keep it in the water all day. Just for a couple of minutes.
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Have you had other Samsung Phones that were waterproof? Wondering how well the oleo phobic coating holds up after being submerged in that type of water. I was tempted to take it into the water last weekend...but I had no reason to so I didn't, hahaha.
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I've taken my S7 Edge and S8 swimming before and noticed no changes in the screen coating whatsoever.
I haven't taken my N8 swimming yet.
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Don't forget to read the Samsung user guide before you take your Note 8 swimming. Just a heads up.
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Phone worked good in water. Had to hit the volume button to take the picture.
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What is the water resistance on your beautiful Rolex Oyster?
Ryland. :good:
Ryland Johnson said:
What is the water resistance on your beautiful Rolex Oyster?
Ryland. :good:
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12,800 ft
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Ryland Johnson said:
What is the water resistance on your beautiful Rolex Oyster?
Ryland. :good:
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Or 3900 m
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Or 3900 m
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"DEEPSEA TEST TANK
Extreme depths
To guarantee the water resistance of the Rolex Deepsea divers' watch to the extreme depth of 3,900 metres (12,800 feet), Rolex tests every single one made in a specially designed high-performance tank. This stainless steel hyperbaric tank is cast in a single piece and weighs 1.3 tonnes. It simulates the pressure at 4,875 metres (16,000 feet) below sea level, some 25 percent greater than the depth indicated on the dial. At this depth, the force exerted upon the watch is equivalent to a weight of 4.5 tonnes. This test could be destructive, meaning that the slightest weakness in a watch would cause it to implode. Obviously, all Rolex Deepsea watches offered for sale have survived it."
This is one of a handful of watches that are so tested in official labs with highly qualified engineers.
I will now show the official watch industry water resistance table:
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"Water resistance classification
Watches are often classified by watch manufacturers by their degree of water resistance which, due to the absence of official classification standards, roughly translates to the following (1 metre ≈ 3.29 feet). These vagueries have since been superseded by ISO 22810:2010, in which "any watch on the market sold as water-resistant must satisfy ISO 22810 – regardless of the brand." [5]
Water resistance rating Suitability Remarks
Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkeling, water related work, fishing, and diving.
Water Resistant 5 atm or 50 m Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, and fishing. Not suitable for diving and snorkeling.
Water Resistant 10 atm or 100 m Suitable for recreational surfing, swimming, snorkeling, sailing and water sports. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving.
Diver's 100 m Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Diver's 100 m and 150 m watches are generally old(er) watches.
Diver's 200 m or 300 m Suitable for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Typical ratings for contemporary diver's watches.
Diver's 300+ m for mixed-gas diving Suitable for saturation diving (helium enriched environment). Watches designed for mixed-gas diving will have the DIVER'S WATCH xxx M FOR MIXED-GAS DIVING additional marking to point this out."
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As you can read "Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m. Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkeling, water related work, fishing, and diving." Rating 30M yet its only splash proof!
and.....
"Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m. Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving." Rating 200M yet in reality only fir for water sports and skin diving!
From this one can clearly see how the actual rating on the rear of ones watch is a complete joke.
A handful are exceptions like yours that is why I asked you about it. I come from a family of horologists and though watches are another one of my vices I am not a horologist myself. I have been saying for decades how the watch industry screws the consumer with these highly misleading water resistance ratings etched onto the rear of the case.
Same principle applies to our mobiles. The ratings are very VERY misleading. Add to that sea water or swimming pool water and the chemicals or salt will, over time, ruin the water resistant membranes of the mobile.
I will not start to write about the physics of static water pressure at small depths V water pressure at immersion levels when force of movement is added such as a swimmers arm. Swimming with a mobile places immense pressure on the device even at 1" depth. This is due to water pressure through movement not static depth. Enough already.
The best respectful advice I would give any mobile owner is to treat the 'water resistance' as merely splash or wet hand proof. Nothing more. Its a complex situation. Original Sony Z owners know all about it lol. Sony lost a massive client base over that fiasco and Sony themselves considered closing their mobile division.
Ryland
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"DEEPSEA TEST TANK
Extreme depths
To guarantee the water resistance of the Rolex Deepsea divers' watch to the extreme depth of 3,900 metres (12,800 feet), Rolex tests every single one made in a specially designed high-performance tank. This stainless steel hyperbaric tank is cast in a single piece and weighs 1.3 tonnes. It simulates the pressure at 4,875 metres (16,000 feet) below sea level, some 25 percent greater than the depth indicated on the dial. At this depth, the force exerted upon the watch is equivalent to a weight of 4.5 tonnes. This test could be destructive, meaning that the slightest weakness in a watch would cause it to implode. Obviously, all Rolex Deepsea watches offered for sale have survived it."
This is one of a handful of watches that are so tested in official labs with highly qualified engineers.
I will now show the official watch industry water resistance table:
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"Water resistance classification
Watches are often classified by watch manufacturers by their degree of water resistance which, due to the absence of official classification standards, roughly translates to the following (1 metre ≈ 3.29 feet). These vagueries have since been superseded by ISO 22810:2010, in which "any watch on the market sold as water-resistant must satisfy ISO 22810 – regardless of the brand." [5]
Water resistance rating Suitability Remarks
Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkeling, water related work, fishing, and diving.
Water Resistant 5 atm or 50 m Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, and fishing. Not suitable for diving and snorkeling.
Water Resistant 10 atm or 100 m Suitable for recreational surfing, swimming, snorkeling, sailing and water sports. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving.
Diver's 100 m Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Diver's 100 m and 150 m watches are generally old(er) watches.
Diver's 200 m or 300 m Suitable for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Typical ratings for contemporary diver's watches.
Diver's 300+ m for mixed-gas diving Suitable for saturation diving (helium enriched environment). Watches designed for mixed-gas diving will have the DIVER'S WATCH xxx M FOR MIXED-GAS DIVING additional marking to point this out."
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As you can read "Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m. Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkeling, water related work, fishing, and diving." Rating 30M yet its only splash proof!
and.....
"Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m. Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving." Rating 200M yet in reality only fir for water sports and skin diving!
From this one can clearly see how the actual rating on the rear of ones watch is a complete joke.
A handful are exceptions like yours that is why I asked you about it. I come from a family of horologists and though watches are another one of my vices I am not a horologist myself. I have been saying for decades how the watch industry screws the consumer with these highly misleading water resistance ratings etched onto the rear of the case.
Same principle applies to our mobiles. The ratings are very VERY misleading. Add to that sea water or swimming pool water and the chemicals or salt will, over time, ruin the water resistant membranes of the mobile.
I will not start to write about the physics of static water pressure at small depths V water pressure at immersion levels when force of movement is added such as a swimmers arm. Swimming with a mobile places immense pressure on the device even at 1" depth. This is due to water pressure through movement not static depth. Enough already.
The best respectful advice I would give any mobile owner is to treat the 'water resistance' as merely splash or wet hand proof. Nothing more. Its a complex situation. Original Sony Z owners know all about it lol. Sony lost a massive client base over that fiasco and Sony themselves considered closing their mobile division.
Ryland
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Trust me I don't dive. Only swim and I don't make it a habit to bring any of my watches in the water. This was the first and probably the last time I will put this phone in the water. Just wanted to test it out. The pictures were for my Facebook DSSD community. Phones and watches are my thing too.
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Trust me I don't dive. Only swim and I don't make it a habit to bring any of my watches in the water. This was the first and probably the last time I will put this phone in the water. Just wanted to test it out. The pictures were for my Facebook DSSD community. Phones and watches are my thing too.
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I understand completely. :good:
I don't take any of my watch collection near water. I don't even take them off in the bathroom and leave them there due to the steam! We are fortunate to own a tiny micro % of watches that can actually outperform the rating on the rear of the watch case! 99.9% of watches cannot, in reality, reach the depth rated on the back as shown in the table. Its rather a scandal yet the watch industry has NO OFFICIAL monitoring body for water resistance.
Oh, when I do go swimming I use a G-shock Gulfmaster. Very tough electronic time piece. Nice to debate with you.
BTW do you also collect pens? I can add that to my list of vices. Crap, forgot to add HiFi systems though over the past decade I have lapsed on that front! Thank heavens!
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Ryland Johnson said:
I understand completely. :good:
I don't take any of my watch collection near water. I don't even take them off in the bathroom and leave them there due to the steam! We are fortunate to own a tiny micro % of watches that can actually outperform the rating on the rear of the watch case! 99.9% of watches cannot, in reality, reach the depth rated on the back as shown in the table. Its rather a scandal yet the watch industry has NO OFFICIAL monitoring body for water resistance.
Oh, when I do go swimming I use a G-shock Gulfmaster. Very tough electronic time piece. Nice to debate with you.
BTW do you also collect pens? I can add that to my list of vices. Crap, forgot to add HiFi systems though over the past decade I have lapsed on that front! Thank heavens!
Ryland
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No I don't do pens. But I do see some very nice ones. Yeah I take very good care of my watches. I have the Rolex DSSD a Omega planet ocean 45.5mm 8500. A Omega Speedmaster 9300 and a Panerai Pam 000 G series. I just sold my Rolex Datejust 2 and my Breitling superocean 44.
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No I don't do pens. But I do see some very nice ones. Yeah I take very good care of my watches. I have the Rolex DSSD a Omega planet ocean 45.5mm 8500. A Omega Speedmaster 9300 and a Panerai Pam 000 G series. I just sold my Rolex Datejust 2 and my Breitling superocean 44.
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Omega are a superb value watch. Not a fan of the Panerai design.
As well as the high end watches I own, such as the Patek Philippe, one of my favourite's is the Lange & Sohne, I enjoy very much Oris and Tissot! I tend to use them as my daily drivers. I nearly purchased a Breguet type XXI 3880 last month but need to sell an Audermars Piguet RO first or my wife will kill me! Again! Insurance is now silly money too.
You need to start a pen collection. :highfive:
Wow are we off topic. Sorry about that.
Ryland
Ryland Johnson said:
Omega are a superb value watch. Not a fan of the Panerai design.
As well as the high end watches I own, such as the Patek Philippe, one of my favourite's is the Lange & Sohne, I enjoy very much Oris and Tissot! I tend to use them as my daily drivers. I nearly purchased a Breguet type XXI 3880 last month but need to sell an Audermars Piguet RO first or my wife will kill me! Again! Insurance is now silly money too.
You need to start a pen collection. :highfive:
Wow are we off topic. Sorry about that.
Ryland
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My first started collecting watches my first automatic was a Tissot PRS 516 I still have it. I will never sell it. It's quality is that of a 2,000 dollar watch for sure. Today I think Tissot has gone a little cheap but they are still good watches. I came close to getting a Breguet type XXI a couple of months ago but it did not happen. I will get a AP Royal Oak one day. I can talk watches all day like phones. I might check some pens out and see. Thanks
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My first started collecting watches my first automatic was a Tissot PRS 516 I still have it. I will never sell it. It's quality is that of a 2,000 dollar watch for sure. Today I think Tissot has gone a little cheap but they are still good watches. I came close to getting a Breguet type XXI a couple of months ago but it did not happen. I will get a AP Royal Oak one day. I can talk watches all day like phones. I might check some pens out and see. Thanks
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The recession off 2008-present has had an awful effect on the watch trade in Europe. Even among the big three conglomerates they have had to fight an ever losing battle against digital imports now smart watches have dealt a further blow. Seiko et al started the traditional watch collapse in the late 60's early 70's with cheap digital but highly accurate watches. Took the watch industry years to recover even 20% of what it had been. Not doing so good again for some again now. Rolex isn't doing badly though but many have again gone to the wall or the 'name' been purchased by the Chinese machine. Mont Blanc have either changed hands or gone also Maurice Lacroix to name but two.
I was 11 when my mother bought me my first manual, it was a black dialled Oris. I just wanted a watch with a black dial! Smashed it to pieces in the school gym same year!
My mother ran a watch parts company that held nearly 200.000 watch pieces. One night the shop was broken into and thousands of small boxes containing tiny part where all emptied onto the floor 200,000 pieces mixed together. When they where collected they didn't fill a small bin! They never sorted them all out again, only a small %. Silly thing was they NEVER closed the till and left a small amount of cash to try and avoid such an incident. They trashed the place out of pure spit? Caused havoc in the local watch trade for over a year. People eh.
Ryland
Ryland Johnson said:
The recession off 2008-present has had an awful effect on the watch trade in Europe. Even among the big three conglomerates they have had to fight an ever losing battle against digital imports now smart watches have dealt a further blow. Seiko et al started the traditional watch collapse in the late 60's early 70's with cheap digital but highly accurate watches. Took the watch industry years to recover even 20% of what it had been. Not doing so good again for some again now. Rolex isn't doing badly though but many have again gone to the wall or the 'name' been purchased by the Chinese machine. Mont Blanc have either changed hands or gone also Maurice Lacroix to name but two.
I was 11 when my mother bought me my first manual, it was a black dialled Oris. I just wanted a watch with a black dial! Smashed it to pieces in the school gym same year!
My mother ran a watch parts company that held nearly 200.000 watch pieces. One night the shop was broken into and thousands of small boxes containing tiny part where all emptied onto the floor 200,000 pieces mixed together. When they where collected they didn't fill a small bin! They never sorted them all out again, only a small %. Silly thing was they NEVER closed the till and left a small amount of cash to try and avoid such an incident. They trashed the place out of pure spit? Caused havoc in the local watch trade for over a year. People eh.
Ryland
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That must have been cool growing up in that type of business. Yeah that sucks some people's kids. I only have mechanical watches. No quartz watches for me. The only one I would have is maybe a Spring Drive. But I am not paying what they want for them. I do think Sekio really came up with something cool with that movement. I have always been fascinated by manual watches. The movement all the parts all the craftsmanship that goes into those movements its amazing.
Ryland Johnson said:
The recession off 2008-present has had an awful effect on the watch trade in Europe. Even among the big three conglomerates they have had to fight an ever losing battle against digital imports now smart watches have dealt a further blow. Seiko et al started the traditional watch collapse in the late 60's early 70's with cheap digital but highly accurate watches. Took the watch industry years to recover even 20% of what it had been. Not doing so good again for some again now. Rolex isn't doing badly though but many have again gone to the wall or the 'name' been purchased by the Chinese machine. Mont Blanc have either changed hands or gone also Maurice Lacroix to name but two.
I was 11 when my mother bought me my first manual, it was a black dialled Oris. I just wanted a watch with a black dial! Smashed it to pieces in the school gym same year!
My mother ran a watch parts company that held nearly 200.000 watch pieces. One night the shop was broken into and thousands of small boxes containing tiny part where all emptied onto the floor 200,000 pieces mixed together. When they where collected they didn't fill a small bin! They never sorted them all out again, only a small %. Silly thing was they NEVER closed the till and left a small amount of cash to try and avoid such an incident. They trashed the place out of pure spit? Caused havoc in the local watch trade for over a year. People eh.
Ryland
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That must have been cool growing up in that type of business. Yeah that sucks some people's kids. I only have mechanical watches. No quartz watches for me. The only one I would have is maybe a Spring Drive. But I am not paying what they want for them. I do think Sekio really came up with something cool with that movement. I have always been fascinated by manual watches. The movement all the parts all the craftsmanship that goes into those movements its amazing.
jason504 said:
That must have been cool growing up in that type of business. Yeah that sucks some people's kids. I only have mechanical watches. No quartz watches for me. The only one I would have is maybe a Spring Drive. But I am not paying what they want for them. I do think Sekio really came up with something cool with that movement. I have always been fascinated by manual watches. The movement all the parts all the craftsmanship that goes into those movements its amazing.
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I have spent hours and hours sitting looking at watch movements and pondering how the heck they made it. One reason I truly like the Lange is the way they finish off the movement. Typically Germanic as opposed to the Breguet that shows its French heritage.
Great to debate with you.
Ryland
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I have spent hours and hours sitting looking at watch movements and pondering how the heck they made it. One reason I truly like the Lange is the way they finish off the movement. Typically Germanic as opposed to the Breguet that shows its French heritage.
Great to debate with you.
Ryland
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Yes they do make some beautiful watches and movements.
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Hello Android Radio friends,
I have thought a lot about how to solve the problem of overheating Android devices with PX5 and PX6 processors. Next summer will come for sure.
My specially designed passive heat sinks are probably known by some people.
This time, I'm going to focus on active cooling + heatsink.
It was important that as many people as possible can use this method. It should be as easy as possible to install, even by people who have no manual skills.
Therefore I created 3D models of different top covers which you can easily print out if you have a 3D printer.
In this lid there are already the drillings for mounting a fan. I make the whole project available for the community on Thingiverse. I also add number 1 - 22 to each 3D model. If someone doesn't find the 3D model for his own top cover. Tell me the dimensions. I will create the 3d model. Let's make a collection of compatible devices.
Because high temperatures can occur in a car in summer, I used ABS as material. This can withstand temperatures up to 100°C.
Of course you could also drill a big hole in the top cover. But it does not look so nice. ?
If someone doesn't have a 3D printer. There are many different websites that offer 3D printing at low prices.
In the video I also show some used fans and some methods of power supply.
German video on YouTube
https://youtu.be/U36MYCj7FfY
English video on Youtube
https://youtu.be/U36MYCj7FfY
The whole project on Thingiverse
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4240690
What do you think of this project?
Alex
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Meanwhile there are 22 different 3D models.
Nice ideas.
Had some thoughts about that first minute I unpacked radio upgrade for my car, PX6 unit. It has some perforations on the back but it is all closed underneath with plastic so I think almost no air circulation happens there. Yeah it is 2DIN with aluminium heatsink on the back, and yes in my car ventilation is right above it but - I don't like it. Maybe some holes could help.
I'm writing this because of an experience with completely different thing, had annoying fan noise on an instrument amplifier, which was at 100% all the time. No matter how it was used or maybe unused at the time, noise was unbearable. Manual control is too dangerous because I know sooner or later I would forget to turn it up when needed, but it can be automatic so quick and nice fix was temperature control board: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32886053224.html . I think it could work nice for projects like yours :good:
Is the fan mod really useful?
Does anyone else use a fan in his HU?
iMattmax said:
Is the fan mod really useful?
Does anyone else use a fan in his HU?
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simply useless. If you switch stock thermal pad with a better quality one and install a good heatsink all is done. I did it one year ago and nothing more is necessary.
Consider that PX5 is a 5W SoC so a passive cooling is more than sufficient to remove heat
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simply useless. If you switch stock thermal pad with a better quality one and install a good heatsink all is done. I did it one year ago and nothing more is necessary.
Consider that PX5 is a 5W SoC so a passive cooling is more than sufficient to remove heat
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Definitely not useless. Did you see the temperatures in combination with a heatsink?
A fan in the top cover cooling down the whole device.
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Definitely not useless. Did you see the temperatures in combination with a heatsink?
A fan in the top cover cooling down the whole device.
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Yes, I performed a torture test and SoC temperature during this test was between 70-80°C (never reached during normal use). So as I stated before: a 5W SoC can easily be cooled passively. If you want to increase noise, failure probability of the fan and dust inside the radio, you can but it's not necessary at all. I have experience in cooling CPUs (also with massive overclock) for decades, this is not my first experience.
Moreover my radio is working passively since last year and I've nevere experienced stuttering or problems due to heat.
Other parts of the radio are not hot at all.
Awesome job Alex, and great video. Comprehensive tests too. Thanks so much for your hard work
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Yes, I performed a torture test and SoC temperature during this test was between 70-80°C (never reached during normal use). So as I stated before: a 5W SoC can easily be cooled passively. If you want to increase noise, failure probability of the fan and dust inside the radio, you can but it's not necessary at all. I have experience in cooling CPUs (also with massive overclock) for decades, this is not my first experience.
Moreover my radio is working passively since last year and I've nevere experienced stuttering or problems due to heat.
Other parts of the radio are not hot at all.
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70 to 80°C under which conditions?
What outside temperature?
Device 1Din or 2Din?
Cover open or closed?
Air conditioning on?
The advantage of active cooling is that not only the CPU is cooled, but also all other components such as voltage regulators, capacitors, amplifier chip and other microchips.
And if the 5€ fan should break after years, it's still better than if a 300€+ device breaks down.
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70 to 80°C under which conditions?
What outside temperature?
Device 1Din or 2Din?
Cover open or closed?
Air conditioning on?
The advantage of active cooling is that not only the CPU is cooled, but also all other components such as voltage regulators, capacitors, amplifier chip and other microchips.
And if the 5€ fan should break after years, it's still better than if a 300€+ device breaks down.
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I tested a lot with and without heat sink and fan, same as you did.
By the way... Thanks a lot for providing the 3-D-images to print the top cover. :highfive:
I printed the top cover for my head units to be used with a 80mm "be quiet" fan, which is really not audible if the unit is mounted in the dash board. Even on bench test the fan is really quiet.
The CPU temperature of all my 2-DIN units got down from (in Throttling Test) ~95°C down to max 48°C. Throttling was a real an issue. Up to 55% throttling without cooling down.
With normal usage (navigation with active route guidance, some Tasker tasks in background working, audio decoding active) the CPU is cooled down from nearly 80°C to ~30°C at ~25°C outside temperature, which is much more comfortable for all the parts in the unit and resolved the throttling issues to less than 5-10%, dependent of the unit.
Tested on:
PX5 (RK3368)
CSN2 (RK3368) ...which was delivered with a complete closed top cover. I got temperatures without any running apps of something about 85°C, because no ventilation was possible.
RL7A (RK3399)
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Guys I’m in search for heatsink that fits my 1din PX6 unit. Do you have the measurements for the module size I need to cover with the heatsink?
Thanks
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I added this to mine:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RYK3J41/ref=dp_prsubs_1
the temps on my px5 swap were 90c which is way too hot for my liking, with this it never went above 60c and you cant hear any noise.
Hi, great job. Congratulations. Anyway, where to buy Alex's android fan kit from?
Geox70 said:
Hi, great job. Congratulations. Anyway, where to buy Alex's android fan kit from?
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Directly from him. Search for his channel on YouTube, there is somewhere his WhatsApp number written. Just contact him over there and ask for fan kit.
Don't know if this is the right location to post this but I just purchased a Vanku px6 4/64 and had every intention of at least putting a heat sink on it and I was pleasantly surprised to find this.. and it was even secured with screws. Win win View attachment 5114453
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Sorry don't know why the picture isn't showing. It is a pretty robust heat sink.
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My solution is a low-noise 12v fan stuck on top of the heatsink with strong double-sided mounting tape. Works like a charm.
Attached is the picture I was trying to show earlier. This is the stock heatsink in the Vanku
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Sorry, I give up. I can't get the pic to show.
I simply put an old intel mobo southbridge chip heatsink on a px6, some of them are very large
It has very long fins (over 1 1/4 ") by chance i could mod it to put longer screws to hold the px6 in place with the added heat sink
Fully passive, never had any problems
I simply run my PX6 with no lid. Makes zero difference to induce RF noise etc and my temps are cut in half for free.
Kudos to Alex (Ati_gangster)!
Simply sent the width of the original cover and the position of the two side holes and the size of the favorite fan (not included in the scope of delivery) via WhatsApp and two days later I had my cover in the mailbox. The fit is great and my fan fits perfectly into the existing holes.
My fan:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B08WHMP2CD/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_6X7857YXKXYD8QC9SYDB?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
(trial assembly, still without fan)