Is this a clone of the Omate?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wear...MA-3G-Bluetooth-MTK6572-3-0Mp/1815740935.html
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Probably yeah...I won't be surprised if it's 99% TS...
Who cares for backers when you can take the money from 3rd party seller and no one can't do anything about it...
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Omate doesn't make these devices. Pretty much anybody with enough money can buy these from Umeox/Mediatek in bulk and brand them as their own.
Lokifish Marz said:
Omate doesn't make these devices. Pretty much anybody with enough money can buy these from Umeox/Mediatek in bulk and brand them as their own.
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Will the omate, aw...etc custom rom work with the z8? I mean I could try but it would be a waste of 150 bucks.
Copycat
Lokifish Marz said:
Omate doesn't make these devices. Pretty much anybody with enough money can buy these from Umeox/Mediatek in bulk and brand them as their own.
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This is NOT a X201. This is a low end copycat by a "shanzai" bandit company.
@llepen
So this was the 1:1 copy you mentioned elsewhere? I didn't examine the images in detail so my mistake. Wonder who they are sourcing the PCBA's through.
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@llepen
So this was the 1:1 copy you mentioned elsewhere? I didn't examine the images in detail so my mistake. Wonder who they are sourcing the PCBA's through.
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yes 1:1 copycat of the 512MB+4GB not made by us (Umeox factory) but by a local PCB maker which has copied the circuitry (even the design flaws), it's common in China so we usually add one or two resistors that we actually do not connect to make them lose more time figuring out why we added them. That's the funny part, the problem with the firmware we provide, they can boot it on their units... real bandit work
smart! you should have added more incorrct resistors. To the point wher they burn whole device
MT6572 - Umeox x201??
Could you please clarify...
MT6572 is the chipset used in these units, right?
Umeox x201 is the firmware or stock ROM used on these units?
TrueSmart, Sim Valley AW-414/420, Vapirius AX-3, XTouch are variants of ...?
What other variants are out there?
Thank you.
x201 is the Umeox model number.
AW-414/TrueSmart prototype sample 512/4 2100
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which part you dont't understand?
1. that they have stolen the PCB design to make a perfect 1:1 copy of omate truesmart
2. or that the stolen design had two design flaws introduced specifically on purpose, to make this stealing useless?
your Z8 has faulty transistors in it. It won't work sometimes.
cosurgi said:
which part you dont't understand?
1. that they have stolen the PCB design to make a perfect 1:1 copy of omate truesmart
2. or that the stolen design had two design flaws introduced specifically on purpose, to make this stealing useless?
your Z8 has faulty transistors in it. It won't work sometimes.
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Well, the stolen design has the same spurious resistors on it the real x201s have, so unless the thieves have connected them up in a way that is different from how the x201s were wired, the result is the same.
In any case, don't buy a cheaper knock-off of an x201 device from these thieves. They are cheaper for a reason.
You will find you have the same problems with the firmware as us TrueSmart owners do, anyway. Buy a used TrueSmart off eBay and it will probably be cheaper anyway.
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Open and honest.
@ Lokifish Marz - Thanks for the answer
cosurgi said:
which part you dont't understand?
1. that they have stolen the PCB design to make a perfect 1:1 copy of omate truesmart
2. or that the stolen design had two design flaws introduced specifically on purpose, to make this stealing useless?
your Z8 has faulty transistors in it. It won't work sometimes.
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@ cosurgi - I asked what X201 meant and about the variants - you're so intoxicated with your ranting that you didn't read the questions. You should really vent your frustrations at the manufacturers of the Z8.
Most company's copy each other even Apple, Google. Your real issue is not the 'stealing', but rather that they copied something that you may be associated too, else you'd be complaining about a lot of company's even your own who I'm sure at some point have copied something.
If you have any measurable proofs that the Z8 is inferior to the x201, please enlighten us? I'm not saying that the Z8 is better nor that the Omate is better, because I don't have any evidence.
As user 'trent999' pointed out your claim that "your Z8 has faulty transistors in it. It won't work sometimes" is also untrue. If the Z8 manufacturers have acted illegally then you need to deal with them directly if there is a patent or any type of copyright on the x201?
XDA is based in openness without prejudice, anyone can one post any copied device or software as long as its legal to do so without having to feel any repercussions. You're feedback/reply is most welcome, but with a little professionalism please. :fingers-crossed:
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@ Lokifish Marz - Thanks for the answer
XDA is based in openness without prejudice, anyone can one post any copied device or software as long as its legal to do so without having to feel any repercussions. You're feedback/reply is most welcome, but with a little professionalism please. :fingers-crossed:
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I've been a member of the xda forums for a very long time, although I am not an active contributor as anyone can tell from my post count. While this post adds nothing to your original thread, I wanted to comment on how welcome your reply was. It's been a long time since I've seen a response to a rant so well written in both syntax and tone. For a moment I was transported to 2005 with an HTC Wizard in my pocket!
Thanks Again,
--fg
please accept my apologies.
Also I'm sympathetic to omate, because creating the PCB design was expensive, and the thieves didn't need to pay that upfront cost.
Of course would be much better if it was open sourced (the PCB) but it is difficult to find experts willing to work for free IMHO.
Ideal if omate paid experts and immediately open sourced their PCB design, but IMHO that's a receipe for suicide, since other manufacturers didn't pay the experts so they can sell their units for lower price.
Well they do a better job of being honest about the specs, such as megapixels of the camera, not being waterproof, processor speed MHz, additional accessories, companion app still not working, Play store, etc, etc. And their shipment dates are probably also not half a year off. So I'm many ways this "fake" watch is actually more honest and real than the Omate version.
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please accept my apologies.
Also I'm sympathetic to omate, because creating the PCB design was expensive, and the thieves didn't need to pay that upfront cost.
Of course would be much better if it was open sourced (the PCB) but it is difficult to find experts willing to work for free IMHO.
Ideal if omate paid experts and immediately open sourced their PCB design, but IMHO that's a receipe for suicide, since other manufacturers didn't pay the experts so they can sell their units for lower price.
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@cosurgi - No love lost here. - it is really really tough when ones hard work seems to be or goes unappreciated.
@pizzaman79 - it must be annoying waiting so long and its no compensation, but most large projects, ventures are delayed, due to the sheer complexity from planning to delivery to post support. I'm sure Laurent Le Pen is under a lot of pressure trying to deliver on time.
I take it you're still waiting for yours?
It is amazing how much technology they have packed into a little device. If the battery life was longer (and i know its difficult without changing the thickness) it would be a legend of a device - minus the delivery issues. :fingers-crossed:
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it must be annoying waiting so long and its no compensation, but most large projects, ventures are delayed, due to the sheer complexity from planning to delivery to post support. I'm sure Laurent Le Pen is under a lot of pressure trying to deliver on time.
I take it you're still waiting for yours?
It is amazing how much technology they have packed into a little device. If the battery life was longer (and i know its difficult without changing the thickness) it would be a legend of a device - minus the delivery issues. :fingers-crossed:
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I got mine a few days ago. I think it's an amazing piece of hardware. If only they would have been more honest in the pr. Now they had to announce disappointment after disappointment. It's quite a long list if you add it all up. And that's such a shame, because what happens at a psychological level is this:
People read about the TrueSmart on Kickstarter and get excited and become a backer. Then they get disappointing news ten times in a row. One happy feeling, followed by ten sad feelings. Until all the excitement is gone.
It would be better to start with lower expectations and maybe 25% less backers, and add positive news after positive news so people and the press get more and more excited in stead of less and less.
Tl;Dr the hardware is great, but will it be good enough to make up for the psychology of their pr?
"Shame shame I know your name"
So for new buyers the following issue still remain?
1. 1GB version runs 1Ghz instead of 1.3 Ghz
2. Not certified dust or waterproof.
3. Using the charging cradle doesn't allow pressing the buttons while charging, such as to snooze or disable an alarm.
4. Inserting a SD card voids the warranty for water resistance.
5. Have to apply the security patch.
Any others issues?
Would there be any benefit in buying the Z8 to compare? They only have the 512MB /4GB model. I reckon other than point 3 above it'll be very similar.
Between the EC309 & Omate + other x201 models which yields better battery life in real life use?
Is there an alternative to the Omate?
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Alright. The forums are filled with speculation, rumours, facts and a lot of first-adopters under caffeine addiction and patience measurable by a microscope.
For many of you this might be a first 'early adoption' attempt. I've been in a few (most recently with Galaxy Nexus just a month ago), so let me just point out a few things that makes this Prime fiasco not sound like a fiasco at all.
There is no such thing as a world wide launch, or even a US/Europe launch, for a flagship device that does not have supply issues. Every flagship device released has supply issues. We live in times where the demand for flagship devices far outweigh the ability to manufacture. This is why Apple (sometimes) starts production much earlier than others since their demand is -even higher- than any device released by Asus or Samsung. But even they get hit by supply issues and some stores or countries don't get the device for months, if at all. Thus, trust me when I say this, a high demand and problematic supply is a good sign. If you are an early adopter of something that does not have a high demand and supply problems, the product might not be as good as you hope.
If they were to manufacture quicker then the price would go up. There are human resources behind product manufacturing, which are limited. And not only is it limited by human resources, but also by supply of parts from partners that end up in the final device. If you had a choice of 'waiting longer' for a cleaner launch (so they could manufacture more devices by the time of launch) or having Asus release products a little sooner to satisfy early adopter interest, we all know we would rather get it sooner rather than later, even if some of us have to wait longer (we are selfish like that). So it is better that at least some of us, who pre-ordered very early and got lucky with the seller, will get the device this month instead of delayed launch in January or later.
Another reason why companies release products sooner is because it is a race. While they can manufacture only certain amount, if they held back a release to have more devices during launch, they would be a month or even more closer to the time when the device becomes outdated. This is especially true with Android tablets that simply do not carry the word of mouth of an iPad or a content ecosystem of Kindle Fire. Android tablets are a niche device which competes in market dominated not by software, but by specs. It is more beneficial for Asus to get the product out quicker from sales standpoint, even if they are unable to manufacture to meet the early demand.
This issue seems huge and bad for you. But to everyone outside the circle, no one is even aware. You simply think this is the worst launch in the history of tech launches, when in fact this type of launch is more common than the changing of socks. Asus and every other company goes through couple of launches like that every year. This here is nothing special, there's no point trying to make it sound like it is. The reason why tech portals are not full of huge discussions about Asus and Transformer Prime launch is because it is not at all a major issue in tech world.
And companies know this. Both sellers and manufacturers know about the impatience of early adopters who place pre-orders often even before they know what the device is about. Reality is that early adopters are a very small percentage of the people who end up buying the product. Upsetting early adopters at a time when the product is not even widely advertised does not damage Asus sales. They are used to it and in fact so is every other company.
Tech problems are also common with devices. In fact I don't know a flagship device that does not come with a quirk or two. Galaxy Nexus smartphone launch involved the phone not working properly on 2G networks which was a major, major issue. A hardware manufacturing flaw. But it was fixed with a software update so it became a non-issue. You can add Apple's Antennagates and battery issues to this pile too. Small issues get blown out of proportion because of user expectation after paying a lot of money. Companies do their best to fix these problems. If Prime is affected by weaker WiFi signal, well, it simply is not perfect. It is also not as fast in certain aspects compared to iPad 2, so what? If you are really disappointed you should wait for something better, but expecting a device to be flawless is silly since it is just not going to happen.
The reason why customer support does not respond to you with all the details in the world is because the customer support does not know. Product launch and manufacturing is something that involves thousands of people and hundreds of companies. Sellers do their best to get their orders, Asus does their best to meet the demand. And every day you ask about the product, that customer support person has gone through many just like you before you contact them. You, an early adopter, who keeps bombing the customer support every day, are just a drop in the pond. You have no idea how low priority it is for any company to deal with your epic problem that is really just about you getting a product few weeks early.
If you want to cancel your pre-order, go ahead and do it. But do not think that any seller or Asus is affected by your canceling. They will sell their items regardless. Do not cancel the pre-order for wrong reasons. If you really want another device or wait for another device, do it. But don't cancel a pre-order just out of bitterness, you'll regret it a month down the road.
I know that we are all frustrated since we want the product right now. Some of us have already paid the full price, some of us have paid even more (I'm paying 20% extra for customs fees from the product and courier shipping). But this is just a product. Unless your friend is a freak of nature like you are about product launches, you will still get a shiny Transformer Prime before your friends and family to show off and feel great about.
I, for one, am glad to have ordered Prime. I will get it and so will you. Just be a little more patient.
holy wall of text, tldr
can u repeat that i wast really paying attention.......... its the 12th lets hope there was some truth
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holy wall of text, tldr
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LOL!!! I was thinking the same thing!
I actually did read it, and having been through such product launches before (namely, the TF101), I definitely agree.
Everything kristovaher said was right, especially about all these whiners that cancelled their pre-orders because they don't have any patience. So all those above me that are trying to sound cool at the expense of an intelligent, truthful response to all the 'drama', you're not cool. You're not funny.
ask a verizon customer waiting for the Gnex if this is a bad launch !
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I actually did read it, and having been through such product launches before (namely, the TF101), I definitely agree.
Everything kristovaher said was right, especially about all these whiners that cancelled their pre-orders because they don't have any patience. So all those above me that are trying to sound cool at the expense of an intelligent, truthful response to all the 'drama', you're not cool. You're not funny.
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and your not cool for caring about peoples whining, i could never imagine giving enough ****s to right/read a sentence about the haters/whiners.
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Thanks for writing that, OP. It's refreshing to see some intelligent and logical posts here. I can see that XDA Developers (unfortunately) deserves its reputation based on some of the posts made in this thread.
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Why do you out yourself as a total dumbass in all publicity?
That is really weird...
I thought those kind of pictures belong to forums were the average user is below 10 years...
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Thanks for writing that, OP. It's refreshing to see some intelligent and logical posts here. I can see that XDA Developers (unfortunately) deserves its reputation based on some of the posts made in this thread.
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What reputation is that? They are generally lauded by the tech media as far as I know. A few kids that post silliness shouldn't warrant a bad reputation. Look at all of the development that happens here. That's where the rep should and does come from, imo.
I read it also. He is right though. This lookin like its going to turn into a flame thread, unfortunately. People just need to chill out. We have exactly one week till release
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demandarin said:
I read it also. He is right though. This lookin like its going to turn into a flame thread, unfortunately. People just need to chill out. We have exactly one week till release
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Exactly.
And what is more amusing is that Asus has not -lied- to anybody, yet people act as if they have. They came out with as official as possible release date on 1st of December and no one believed them. They said 12/19, which they universally pushed all to 19 because of higher-than-expected demand for Prime. A lot of people shot it down though for the simple reason of it being later than they would like it to be, even going as far as saying that this 19 didn't even come from Asus.
I can understand frustration if majority of November pre-orders are not covered by Christmas, but today is only 12th of December.
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Why do you out yourself as a total dumbass in all publicity?
That is really weird...
I thought those kind of pictures belong to forums were the average user is below 10 years...
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The Internet = Serious Business
It's all over folks, no more joking or having fun on the internet, Diamondback's panties might get in a bunch and call you mean and nasty names.
theres a fire a-comin.... so hide yo keeds, hide yo...
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The Internet = Serious Business
It's all over folks, no more joking or having fun on the internet, Diamondback's panties might get in a bunch and call you mean and nasty names.
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Trolls aren't wanted here. Go Away and troll somebody else..
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Anybody else wish that all Transformer Prime discussion was still limited to those three threads on the TF1 forum? At least there would be some level of moderation, that we do not have at all here yet.
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What reputation is that? They are generally lauded by the tech media as far as I know. A few kids that post silliness shouldn't warrant a bad reputation. Look at all of the development that happens here. That's where the rep should and does come from, imo.
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On reddit (and a few other sites) there's a consensus that while there is still a lot of great content & good developers on XDA, there's also a lot of immaturity.
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On reddit (and a few other sites) there's a consensus that while there is still a lot of great content & good developers on XDA, there's also a lot of immaturity.
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Real reason for this is that majority of devices don't have their own forums, which do exist here. So it brings in non-developers even though the forums name is 'xda developers'.
It's not bad, XDA is still a tremendous resource and the development subforums are a great source of quality information, but general threads are populated with repeat questions and rumour-mongering, as is evident in the case of Prime, a device that not many of us have spent any time with.
I've run product marketing/management in many of my positions. To a large extent, what you covered in your missive is true. Launching a new product successfully is a study in project management. There are thousands of tasks that all have to be orchestrated and there are many dependencies and there are some things can only be done sequentially. There's an axiom in product management: you can have it good, fast, or cheap - pick two. My guess is the CEO of Asus who is somewhat of a cowboy demanded "fast" to beat other competitors to market. That pretty much screws the product management team who is forced to make concessions with their carefully created project plan/timeline and forego the quality of the launch for the sake of speed.
There are quite a few clues that something funky is going on with the launch of the Prime.
1) Clearly the types and quantities of product are lower than originally estimated. The fact that some colors/sizes are available in some places and not others is a clue. And the launch date sliding by weeks very close in means they allowed themselves no cushion to deal with issues that inevitably come up with a product launch. That or they miscalculated which is never a good sign. Amazon, who is really good at selling stuff, didn't randomly take pre-orders without some sort of quantity commitment. Something changed and fairly close to launch. The fact that they pulled the product completely probably means they lost confidence in Asus' commitments; at least for the time being.
2) Until the device is in fairly widespread use we won't know if there are potential h/w or s/w issues. The fact than some reviewer units and early units in Taiwan are having Wi-Fi issues may be early production challenges or a potential design issue. The fact that reviewers with problem units sent them back and got units without issues is both good and bad. The fact Asus knew what the problem was and fixed it means that, at a stage very close to launch, they're finding things that are typically identified much earlier in the process.
3) Asus is smaller compared to its peers. Based on last quarter's financials they generate half the revenue of Acer another Taiwanese tech company. The combination of fewer resources, a demanding CEO, set-in-stone deadlines and working with new technology (Teg3 and ICS) isn't a recipe for quality and timeliness. And being smaller, they get less preferential treatment and pricing from vendors supplying the components they use to assemble their products. And the TF1 wasn't a beacon of quality at launch and the Prime is a much more complex device.
4) There's been a lot of discussion about the complexity of fabricating the Teg3 SoC. Other things like the all metal casing are new too. There may be production or supply issues with components being manufactured by third parties for the Prime that are beyond Asus' control. Regardless, you don't typically set a launch date until all those risks are identified and mitigated.
So, the statement that all product launches are challenging is true - in every industry. Asus said they plan to sell a million tablets in 2012 of which I'm assuming the Prime is the majority. The launch will be quickly forgotten. How well Asus did with the Prime will be judged months from now.
This thread is to provide Asus with some realistic ideas to make us happy with the botched release and design issues (namely insufficient demand, the locked boot loader, GPS/Wi-Fi/Bluetooth metal cover) of the TF201 Prime which look to be rectified in the latest TF700T model announced at CES.
After reading tons of threads I suspect a few XDA members actually work for Asus in one capacity or another and could be a conduit for these constructive ideas. While we (as in the XDA community) may be a small blip on their sales report we're likely one of their biggest thorns in their sides as exhibited by the numerous social media campaigns so they might actually look at what we have to suggest. My hope is that we can provide concrete ideas that would appease most of us.
A few ground rules:
This is not a "bash Asus" thread; those exist elsewhere
Ideas should be realistic and constructive
If you're idea is to return the TF201 and move on because technology is always evolving I request you not post. We all understand we can return our Primes but I'd like to provide suggestions other than being without a tablet for a few months. Hopefully, others can accept that.
If we come up with a few solid ideas I envisioned setting up a poll and giving Asus a snapshot of what our community thinks they can do to improve their image.
Personally, I hope Asus just communicates with us, acknowledges there are issues and provides some consolation for the early adopters who pre-purchased and waited months to receive a less than perfect device which already has a successor (I've had mine a week after ordering in November). We know demand for their products is high as Asus is a leader in the technology field but customer service is very important for a company's long term success.
My idea:
Provide a window from now until a month after the release of the TF700T for Asus to buy back our TF201 at 75% of our purchase price which would go toward buying the updated TF700T.
The early adopters still have skin in the game and paid 25% for depreciation and usage over a few months.
Asus is guaranteed a sale of the TF700T (so their market share isn't reduced)
I haven't seen a true breakdown cost of the tablet (probably because it hasn't been out long enough) but I’d hypothesize $125 (for the 32gb model) is close to actual material (please correct me if I’m wrong) so Asus wouldn't be out more than profit. The traded-in TF201s could be refurbished and resold and/or donated by Asus to a school, shelter, etc (which would do a lot for their image).
Lastly, IMHO, it would reduce, if not eliminate, the negative buyer’s remorse and ill will toward Asus felt by many on this forum.
Other ideas I've seen reading the forums:
Institute a recall to replace the back cover in hopes of improving the GPS, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth
Nothing, Asus has no obligation to do anything other than standard warranty repairs
Other suggestions/ideas?
(Mr Moderator: I put this in general as this isn't a question thread specifically about the workings of the TF201, hoping it's ok I put it here. If not, I'm happy to move it.)
A simple backplate exchange program would satisfy me.
Not to mean or degrading in any way, Asus doesn't need to improve it's image. A botched release or defects will soon be forgotten. We are a small pond here in XDA for Asus to worry about. Just saying.
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mikepfly2 said:
This thread is to provide Asus with some realistic ideas to make us happy with the botched release and design issues (namely insufficient demand, the locked boot loader, GPS/Wi-Fi/Bluetooth metal cover) of the TF201 Prime which look to be rectified in the latest TF700T model announced at CES.
After reading tons of threads I suspect a few XDA members actually work for Asus in one capacity or another and could be a conduit for these constructive ideas. While we (as in the XDA community) may be a small blip on their sales report we're likely one of their biggest thorns in their sides as exhibited by the numerous social media campaigns so they might actually look at what we have to suggest. My hope is that we can provide concrete ideas that would appease most of us.
A few ground rules:
This is not a "bash Asus" thread; those exist elsewhere
Ideas should be realistic and constructive
If you're idea is to return the TF201 and move on because technology is always evolving I request you not post. We all understand we can return our Primes but I'd like to provide suggestions other than being without a tablet for a few months. Hopefully, others can accept that.
If we come up with a few solid ideas I envisioned setting up a poll and giving Asus a snapshot of what our community thinks they can do to improve their image.
Personally, I hope Asus just communicates with us, acknowledges there are issues and provides some consolation for the early adopters who pre-purchased and waited months to receive a less than perfect device which already has a successor (I've had mine a week after ordering in November). We know demand for their products is high as Asus is a leader in the technology field but customer service is very important for a company's long term success.
My idea:
Provide a window from now until a month after the release of the TF700T for Asus to buy back our TF201 at 75% of our purchase price which would go toward buying the updated TF700T.
The early adopters still have skin in the game and paid 25% for depreciation and usage over a few months.
Asus is guaranteed a sale of the TF700T (so their market share isn't reduced)
I haven't seen a true breakdown cost of the tablet (probably because it hasn't been out long enough) but I’d hypothesize $125 (for the 32gb model) is close to actual material (please correct me if I’m wrong) so Asus wouldn't be out more than profit. The traded-in TF201s could be refurbished and resold and/or donated by Asus to a school, shelter, etc (which would do a lot for their image).
Lastly, IMHO, it would reduce, if not eliminate, the negative buyer’s remorse and ill will toward Asus felt by many on this forum.
Other ideas I've seen reading the forums:
Institute a recall to replace the back cover in hopes of improving the GPS, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth
Nothing, Asus has no obligation to do anything other than standard warranty repairs
Other suggestions/ideas?
(Mr Moderator: I put this in general as this isn't a question thread specifically about the workings of the TF201, hoping it's ok I put it here. If not, I'm happy to move it.)
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I'm very critical of Asus with the way they handled TF201 but financially speaking, even your suggestions aren't very realistic.
1. Kindle Fire cost about $200 to produce... That means Prime will cost double at the least (i think IPS display panel alone cost $50+).
2. Any sort of recall for a product is huge hit in profit. Simply changing the backplate won't solve the issue either. Based on anantech's breakdown, it might require the antennas to be re-positioned as well. I doubt the avg. user can disassemble & re-position all at the same time.
The only realistic solution for Asus is either:
1.) ignore the whole fiasco (btw, they did admit that backplate is the problem)
2.) take a huge hit in profit in order to salvage reputation/image from the hardcore
I actually really like the suggestions in the op as they same fairly realistic. If my prime wasn't a brick right now I wouldn't be feeling buyers remorse and thinking about the 701 or whatever haha. To be honest I think consumers would be happy even if the depreciation rate was higher. Usually when we sell or old tech we take a much bigger loss than 25%. I would settle for a somewhat lower credit of it meant I was guaranteed Asus would take it back and I could get the new one in a timely manner. The time it takes to get the item, as we've seen with the prime, is not something that should be overlooked.
Edit:a discount for prime owners is another idea, nothing crazy, but it would be a nice good will gesture. The benefit of this for Asus is it helps build brand loyalty and eliminates the operations costs that a buyback program would create. People underestimate brand loyalty, but apple survives on it, to the point that people will stick with them even when they get screwed by apple.
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A simple backplate exchange program would satisfy me.
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I second this - especially as someone who works in a pre-WiFi aware, zombe attack resistent, very metal building!
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>This thread is to provide Asus with some realistic ideas to make us happy
I WILL BUY ASUS NO MORE FOREVER!!
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The Prime's backplate serves some pretty significant functions, not the least of which is to provide structural support for the entire device. Why does everyone assume it would be so easy to just replace part of it with plastic?
I imagine this would require a complete, or at least major, redesign. It would also require re-certification at the FCC. In short, we're talking months here to get such a thing accomplished.
I think the only reasonable approach is to offer refunds up to a certain point for people who are outside of their return policy. The point should be set at whatever time is reasonable to assume a buyer was aware of the GPS issue and purchased anyways. I'm not sure if it's reasonable to extend any program all the way to the TF700's release, although offering a buy-back/upgrade program in general wouldn't hurt from a PR perspective.
OK - I'm a new member, so the lowest of the low, but this is what I think.
The only realistic way for Asus to proceed is the discount path as mentioned earlier.
Foe example:
Buy a TF201 before January 31st 2012 and ASUS will give you a 25% discount on the upgraded model if you purchase within 31 days of its release in your market.
This requires no recalls, complex returns, just proof of purchase with a date.
The discount could even be retrospective and direct from Asus.
Asus knows it's made a mistake. Asus knows that we know it's made a mistake.
Asus has a chance to restore some real kudos for what would be relatively low cost in the scheme of things - and also as mentioned, they would be selling more units!
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This thread is to provide Asus with some realistic ideas to make us happy with the botched release and design issues (namely insufficient demand, the locked boot loader, GPS/Wi-Fi/Bluetooth metal cover) of the TF201 Prime which look to be rectified in the latest TF700T model announced at CES.
After reading tons of threads I suspect a few XDA members actually work for Asus in one capacity or another and could be a conduit for these constructive ideas. While we (as in the XDA community) may be a small blip on their sales report we're likely one of their biggest thorns in their sides as exhibited by the numerous social media campaigns so they might actually look at what we have to suggest. My hope is that we can provide concrete ideas that would appease most of us.
A few ground rules:
This is not a "bash Asus" thread; those exist elsewhere
Ideas should be realistic and constructive
If you're idea is to return the TF201 and move on because technology is always evolving I request you not post. We all understand we can return our Primes but I'd like to provide suggestions other than being without a tablet for a few months. Hopefully, others can accept that.
If we come up with a few solid ideas I envisioned setting up a poll and giving Asus a snapshot of what our community thinks they can do to improve their image.
Personally, I hope Asus just communicates with us, acknowledges there are issues and provides some consolation for the early adopters who pre-purchased and waited months to receive a less than perfect device which already has a successor (I've had mine a week after ordering in November). We know demand for their products is high as Asus is a leader in the technology field but customer service is very important for a company's long term success.
My idea:
Provide a window from now until a month after the release of the TF700T for Asus to buy back our TF201 at 75% of our purchase price which would go toward buying the updated TF700T.
The early adopters still have skin in the game and paid 25% for depreciation and usage over a few months.
Asus is guaranteed a sale of the TF700T (so their market share isn't reduced)
I haven't seen a true breakdown cost of the tablet (probably because it hasn't been out long enough) but I’d hypothesize $125 (for the 32gb model) is close to actual material (please correct me if I’m wrong) so Asus wouldn't be out more than profit. The traded-in TF201s could be refurbished and resold and/or donated by Asus to a school, shelter, etc (which would do a lot for their image).
Lastly, IMHO, it would reduce, if not eliminate, the negative buyer’s remorse and ill will toward Asus felt by many on this forum.
Other ideas I've seen reading the forums:
Institute a recall to replace the back cover in hopes of improving the GPS, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth
Nothing, Asus has no obligation to do anything other than standard warranty repairs
Other suggestions/ideas?
(Mr Moderator: I put this in general as this isn't a question thread specifically about the workings of the TF201, hoping it's ok I put it here. If not, I'm happy to move it.)
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Buy back at 75%, hell no, I barely use this thing. I just don't want a non working GPS that is all. And Asus is not going to modify this thing so it will work right. That is already evident by them admitting it. The only thing that is left now is to give people back their money if they want the money back because of the bad gps.
It really is ashame, because that number would have been much lower if they had offered that before announcing the new tablets.
Now even people that don't care about GPS says they're being cheated. Those people would have kept their prime even if the GPS was bad, now they don't want it with a new one coming out to replace it. It's really a tough call. Normally I would say that new stuff comes out all the time and we shouldn't be mad if they improve on it. In this case, it's not even that. Asus knew of the problem, instead of fixing it they sold bad units. Then they fix the issue and sold it as new units. They announced this Prime replacement even before the Prime had even become readily available in stores. It's really a slap in the face. I'm not going to buy another Asus product whether it's tablets or motherboards or whatever asus makes.
Some people have problem with their units, those should be dealt with indvidually. But the main problem that is common in almost all user is the bad GPS signal. Now we know that asus will remove gps functionality and the description off the package, but to me, unless it's says it on the box they haven't done anything. They need to place a sticker saying this does not have GPS. From this date onward, then people can't complain about the GPS. And anyone buying before this date will have opportunity to take back if they chose because of the bad gps.
There should not be any trade in program for the tf700t. If you don't care about GPS problem then keep yours and when a new one comes out, you can either buy it or don't. There is no future proof when you buy something. But if something is bad and you don't want it, you should be able to return it for money back.
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Buy back at 75%, hell no, I barely use this thing. I just don't want a non working GPS that is all. And Asus is not going to modify this thing so it will work right. That is already evident by them admitting it. The only thing that is left now is to give people back their money if they want the money back because of the bad gps.
It really is ashame, because that number would have been much lower if they had offered that before announcing the new tablets.
Now even people that don't care about GPS says they're being cheated. Those people would have kept their prime even if the GPS was bad, now they don't want it with a new one coming out to replace it. It's really a tough call. Normally I would say that new stuff comes out all the time and we shouldn't be mad if they improve on it. In this case, it's not even that. Asus knew of the problem, instead of fixing it they sold bad units. Then they fix the issue and sold it as new units. They announced this Prime replacement even before the Prime had even become readily available in stores. It's really a slap in the face. I'm not going to buy another Asus product whether it's tablets or motherboards or whatever asus makes.
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Don't worry.. according to DEMANDRIN.. actually, let me quote him:
" it was been stated in other threads Asus said they will continue to push out updates to tweak/make GPS work as good as they can get it to. never said completely fix. they just said as best as they can."
So yea, according to him.. Asus will continue to push out updates to tweak/make GPS work. If you, or any other can find me a thread or OFFICIAL ASUS quote.. please, link me to that direction.
Btw, I guess you aren't successful with returning it to Gamestop =/
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The Prime's backplate serves some pretty significant functions, not the least of which is to provide structural support for the entire device. Why does everyone assume it would be so easy to just replace part of it with plastic?
I imagine this would require a complete, or at least major, redesign. It would also require re-certification at the FCC. In short, we're talking months here to get such a thing accomplished.
I think the only reasonable approach is to offer refunds up to a certain point for people who are outside of their return policy. The point should be set at whatever time is reasonable to assume a buyer was aware of the GPS issue and purchased anyways. I'm not sure if it's reasonable to extend any program all the way to the TF700's release, although offering a buy-back/upgrade program in general wouldn't hurt from a PR perspective.
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That's why I think a backplate replacement is out of the question. It seems that the prime is assembled from back to front. All the innards are screwed down to the back. It wouldn't be just unscrewing it and putting in a new one. This would be even more work then putting it together in the first place. A total replacement is needed.
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Don't worry.. according to DEMANDRIN.. actually, let me quote him:
" it was been stated in other threads Asus said they will continue to push out updates to tweak/make GPS work as good as they can get it to. never said completely fix. they just said as best as they can."
So yea, according to him.. Asus will continue to push out updates to tweak/make GPS work. If you, or any other can find me a thread or OFFICIAL ASUS quote.. please, link me to that direction.
Btw, I guess you aren't successful with returning it to Gamestop =/
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Updates aren't going to improve to the point of it being usable. Increase the power to send out stronger signal? That will just interfere with other parts such as wifi and shorten the life of the hardware.
The only way to fix this problem is if some enterprising persons come up with a soltuion to reposition the antenna, whether it's to create a window or fasten some external antenna and charging a fee. Then maybe asus can refund the fee. Asus will not do it themselves. It would cost them a fortune.
No I was not able to return mine to gamestop. I want asus to take it back so I can buy something else. I might even chill for a while with the tablets. Asus has put a bad taste in my mouth. Besides, got a kindle fire and a galaxy s2 to play with. On another note, I have a gentleman who might want to buy mine. I've notified him of the GPS being flaky and he don't seem to mind. Not sure if he'll buy it yet...waiting for his repsonse.
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That's why I think a backplate replacement is out of the question. It seems that the prime is assembled from back to front. All the innards are screwed down to the back. It wouldn't be just unscrewing it and putting in a new one. This would be even more work then putting it together in the first place. A total replacement is needed.
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Updates aren't going to improve to the point of it being usable. Increase the power to send out stronger signal? That will just interfere with other parts such as wifi and shorten the life of the hardware.
The only way to fix this problem is if some enterprising persons come up with a soltuion to reposition the antenna, whether it's to create a window or fasten some external antenna and charging a fee. Then maybe asus can refund the fee. Asus will not do it themselves. It would cost them a fortune.
No I was not able to return mine to gamestop. I want asus to take it back so I can buy something else. I might even chill for a while with the tablets. Asus has put a bad taste in my mouth. Besides, got a kindle fire and a galaxy s2 to play with. On another note, I have a gentleman who might want to buy mine. I've notified him of the GPS being flaky and he don't seem to mind. Not sure if he'll buy it yet...waiting for his repsonse.
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The most realistic solution is what Asus of Taiwan is offering. A total recall to replace the backplate will require monumental financial hit, not to mention redesign & going through the process with FCC again. That.. and they even have to pay "labor". Asus can't simply "send" redesigned backplate as well since it isn't easy to disassemble & re-position some of the antennas to the avg. user.
Now, will Asus Global follow Asus of Taiwan.. that in itself is a debate as well. Just have to wait on how they will proceed.. if they do.
Btw, you should get "demandrin" as the spokesperson to sell the Prime to him.
After seeing two public statements being made that are bold faced lies, I think it would be fair and necessary for the community to make a more coordinated and collaborative effort at voicing the discontent on this situation to Google and other entities that can broaden our ripples. Getting the message to the right people is difficult and can often get lost in the low-middle management level instead of making it to the eyes that matter. Until they understand that you can't play around with a consumer's time and money just because they hold the product that is so widely coveted, then we will not be free of this chaos next year or any year that follows. I urge you to find a way or multiple ways to speak up and respectfully state the specifics on how this entire situation has been mishandled, and what our simple requests are as consumers, loyal fans, and product advocates. Please post your avenues of progress within this thread as you create your own ripples, and may our ripples join together to create waves that reach far enough past the California coastline to smack against the windows of the titans.
My first step is creating a full and detailed report to the Better Business Bureau here: http://www.bbb.org/losangelessilico...ptimization/google-in-mountain-view-ca-214105
Google, Inc. (Headquarters)
Phone: (650) 330-0100 Fax: (650) 618-1499
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Anyone who has been active in or following the Shipping Waiting Room thread would understand. Google is letting orders hang in limbo that have been ordered since day 1 while fulfilling orders for the same color and storage that have been processed only a few days ago. Yesterday they posted on Google+ and Twitter that they are processing orders in the order that they've been placed, which is clearly a lie. This is about asking Google to make an honest statement as to the reasoning behind this, and for them to understand why it pisses off consumers so next year they have their stuff together in a more accurate and fair process. - This has caused a lot of individuals to lose their $50 Play credit in order to get a device as their original order hasn't moved forward well beyond their shipping promise date. Google has also denied to compensate for these credits if we cancel the early orders to buy one that is moving forward.
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huh?
The lack of a clear indication as to what you're so unhappy about doesn't allow us to hear join you. What is your major problem and in what ways has the 'mishandling' occurred to and affected you?
In short, it doesn't make much sense as it is!
You are welcome to a refund if you don't want to wait.
Anyone who has been active in or following the Shipping Waiting Room thread would understand. Google is letting orders hang in limbo that have been ordered since day 1 while fulfilling orders for the same color and storage that have been processed only a few days ago. Yesterday they posted on Google+ and Twitter that they are processing orders in the order that they've been placed, which is clearly a lie. This is about asking Google to make an honest statement as to the reasoning behind this, and for them to understand why it pisses off consumers so next year they have their stuff together in a more accurate and fair process.
I finally got my phone yesterday. They upgraded my shipping to next day air for free. I never even complained or got my panties in a bunch about other phones shipping before mine.
Google Fawkes Day - nice, let's just refrain from the burning, k
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I finally got my phone yesterday. They upgraded my shipping to next day air for free. I never even complained or got my panties in a bunch about other phones shipping before mine.
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It isn't a bad thing to be patient, but it also doesn't hurt to make sure companies understand that the consumers aren't stupid and can recognize a lie.
It's a pre-order device.
Sometimes computer ordering systems have issues.
I ordered 9/29 and my device just shipped yesterday.
It's not a life saving device. It's an eff'n phone.
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It's a pre-order device.
Sometimes computer ordering systems have issues.
I ordered 9/29 and my device just shipped yesterday.
It's not a life saving device. It's an eff'n phone.
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So what you're saying is that if you see a pair of really nice Nike shoes that perfectly fit your needs and Nike says to go ahead and pay for them for a promise to get them to you by X date, and at X date there is no sign of getting the pair you paid for nor have you received any communication from Nike as to why, yet you can see people walking in and buying the same exact pair and getting them the very next day, but Nike says "hey pal, don't worry, we are giving people their shoes in the order they gave us money", that it's ok? If we acted in that same manner in our jobs, we wouldn't be employed. All I would want is for Google to withdraw their false statement and give a true statement owning up to the problem so we can see that they recognize the issue and have the tools to prevent it next year.
Dear Google, I am sorry that I was so impatient to receive my device. I am now very happy though, and I now barely remember the month I had to wait.
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I called and asked them if there was a problem shipping some of the pre-orders and they said no. Mine was supposed to arrive on the 10th but it was shipped the day after I called. I think demand has them a bit flat-footed.
It's pretty clear that you aren't getting or just don't care about the point. Being patient isn't the issue nor a part of the complaint. Apathy towards big corporations using their power to break their own promises and completely disregard the loyalty of their consumers is the reason we now have attrociously high consumer costs for the minimum to be delivered in quantity and quality.
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Anyone who has been active in or following the Shipping Waiting Room thread would understand. Google is letting orders hang in limbo that have been ordered since day 1 while fulfilling orders for the same color and storage that have been processed only a few days ago. Yesterday they posted on Google+ and Twitter that they are processing orders in the order that they've been placed, which is clearly a lie. This is about asking Google to make an honest statement as to the reasoning behind this, and for them to understand why it pisses off consumers so next year they have their stuff together in a more accurate and fair process.
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Makes a lot more sense now! I wasn't flaming you, I know the frustrations well.
it sucks I had to order a second phone after being told mine was going to be delayed only to ship on time. But there's a local member whos hasnt shipped yet thats going to take it off my hands so all and all it was a bit sucky.
The fact that people pre ordered a device on Oct 1st and don't have their devices in their hands yet people who ordered this Monday already do should make consumers angry. It's called holding businesses accountable. If every one had the attitude of some posters here *****ing about people being upset then why should businesses care to improve if they know the consumer will willingly take it up the bum?
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What's with people always demanding a freaking apology these days?
Pre order got screwed up, Google didn't Rob or steal, nor hurt anyone. Get the eff over it.
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What's with people always demanding a freaking apology these days?
Pre order got screwed up, Google didn't Rob or steal, nor hurt anyone. Get the eff over it.
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I could say the inverse about people who act the way you are about situations like this. What's with people letting themselves get walked all over by corporations/(insert any other figure of authority here) and believing it is ok to be fed lies while the truth is covered up? "Get the eff over it"? How about grow a pair and not be afraid to speak up and call people out on their lies. If you want to get technical, Google did "rob" people in a figurative manner. Those who pre-ordered paid real cash to secure real items in a specific order of allocation. Google handing out those items to people that placed an order after these folks is essentially robbing both their time and product to satisfy another individual. Brushing the whole situation off as "meh it got screwed up" is an apathetic excuse. A company the size of Google with the amount of resources available to be the world's largest and fastest search engine and database should be able to handle a simple task such as aligning pre-orders based on time of purchase and fulfilling them in ascending order. A few here and there being shipped out ahead of another would be a "meh" situation, but at this volume there is something clearly wrong and would indicate the need for Google to clarify what is happening and why, not easily disproven public statements of "it's ok guys, we're doing it right because we're Google".
I'm not even going to read that wall of text reply.
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I'm not even going to read that wall of text reply.
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You mean a paragraph? Thanks for proving my point.
Dear XDA Moderators, Developers and Members...
I'm a Le Max 2 user for 3 years. I've ordered phone from Aliexpress:
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At the begin of the second year, my phone's motherboard has been short circuit by a water damage. This short circuit caused batter draining. So it drains anytime even the phone is completely off. I had to use the phone with this issue for 2 years. I couldn't buy a new motherboard because dollar rate is high on Turkey and I couldn't afford it.
Now I want to apology from every moderators, developers and members that I disturb by asking battery life on each topic and being too aggressive sometimes. I know I was about to get banned from the forum because of those behaviors. But I want you to know that I wasn't trolling, spamming or kidding. I was asking battery life because it was more important for me than any user who use a normal phone. But I promise that I'm never gonna ask it again no matter how would it be important for me. I apology again to become too much aggressive sometimes but if you'd have to live with a broken phone, I'm sure it'd make you aggressive too sometimes.
I'm still using this phone and I have to use it for a while because of the dollar rate in Turkey. I have a small request for you. If you have a le max 2 that you don't use, it'd be greatly helpful to send me its motherboard for a proper price.
Best regards and apologies. Dear XDA family, believe me or not, I love you all
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Thanks
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Thank you for cleaning. I'm hoping a civilized discussion here
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Heyyo N-Gage4ever, Oh I see, no worries bud I can understand the frustration with a device acting up.
I dunno how comfortable you feel with it, but you could open up your device and then use cotton swabs and isopropyl 99% and try to clean the liquid residue.
Resealing your x2 afterwards would require some new double sided adhesive tape like this one I used on my x2.
https://www.amazon.ca/MMOBIEL-Adhesive-Tablets-Digitizer-Display/dp/B00PVWMTA6
The most important part about opening up an x2 is to heat the device enough to open up the screen without damaging it. It should be hot enough that you can't hold the device for long so I'd recommend using thin gloves with rubber grip and two suction cups.
If you're not comfortable doing this? You could try asking a smart device repair shop... Alebit, their repair estimate might be high and you might be better off saving the money instead for something like an external battery you can just carry with you.
Good luck!
PS, LineageOS 16.0 does have a QuickCharge toggle thanks to lucchetto :good:
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Heyyo N-Gage4ever, Oh I see, no worries bud I can understand the frustration with a device acting up.
I dunno how comfortable you feel with it, but you could open up your device and then use cotton swabs and isopropyl 99% and try to clean the liquid residue.
Resealing your x2 afterwards would require some new double sided adhesive tape like this one I used on my x2.
https://www.amazon.ca/MMOBIEL-Adhesive-Tablets-Digitizer-Display/dp/B00PVWMTA6
The most important part about opening up an x2 is to heat the device enough to open up the screen without damaging it. It should be hot enough that you can't hold the device for long so I'd recommend using thin gloves with rubber grip and two suction cups.
If you're not comfortable doing this? You could try asking a smart device repair shop... Alebit, their repair estimate might be high and you might be better off saving the money instead for something like an external battery you can just carry with you.
Good luck!
PS, LineageOS 16.0 does have a QuickCharge toggle thanks to lucchetto :good:
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Dear Mard,
Thank you so much for your respond. On 3rd April, I gave my phone a device repair shop. They opened up my device and after a few days they said me that there is a short circuit on motherboard that drains my battery. And they also said they need another motherboard to fix the issue.
Can you please look at this article? https://www.ubreakifix.com/blog/all-about-iphonecell-phone-water-damage It explains my issue perfectly. Especially this passage:
Let’s look at some of the other consequences of a short circuit. Like we showed above, if the drop of water stays on the circuit for too long, the battery will drain and eventually die all together. Don’t believe me? Try connecting the positive and negative terminals of a battery together. The battery will begin to get hot as it quickly discharges and eventually reaches a state where it cannot recharge. This is a very common issue in water damaged phones and if left unchecked, the lithium ion battery found in the device can be irreversibly damaged. Other parts that commonly short out are charge ports, flex cables and mechanical buttons.
PS. Thank you for the info and all your works. The developer setting thing was a joke you know..
Oh hmm, ok yeah if there is damage to the circuit? Unfortunately, it does sound like the motherboard itself would need to be replaced... is there any offers online such as eBay where people are selling their x2's for spare parts only? That could be something to check into.
Otherwise? There is a lot of pretty darn good Xiaomi devices for good budgets that might work for you. I'd recommend of course checking their 3G and LTE frequency bands to ensure they're compatible to your carrier before buying them... otherwise? The LeEco Le 2 isn't as powerful as our Le Max 2, but they can be found for pretty cheap these days and also have good custom ROM support.
As for the setting for QC? It has been requested quite a bit tbh and luckily lucchetto revamped x2's devicesettings to include a QuickCharge toggle and his implementation didn't even require modifying our selinux policies which was nice too, so it was an easy include for LineageOS 16.0. He is the maintainer for RevengeOS and his trees are currently LineageOS based which is why his commit was super easy to bring to LineageOS 16.0.
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Oh hmm, ok yeah if there is damage to the circuit? Unfortunately, it does sound like the motherboard itself would need to be replaced... is there any offers online such as eBay where people are selling their x2's for spare parts only? That could be something to check into.
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Yes. I checked lots of site including of Ebay but only Aliexpress in that I could find motherboard. And the price is too high there. Then I thought it'd be a nice idea to share my situation on XDA. Because there are plenty of X2 users here and I'm sure some of them don't use their phone anymore.... Because our phone is old now.
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Otherwise? There is a lot of pretty darn good Xiaomi devices for good budgets that might work for you. I'd recommend of course checking their 3G and LTE frequency bands to ensure they're compatible to your carrier before buying them... otherwise? The LeEco Le 2 isn't as powerful as our Le Max 2, but they can be found for pretty cheap these days and also have good custom ROM support..
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Well we are in a financial crisis as country and our local currency became valueless to much against dollar and euro. So there isn't a cheap device for us. But LG V30's price seems proper. I'm planning to buy it in the future. But I have to move on with my current phone for now
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As for the setting for QC? It has been requested quite a bit tbh and luckily lucchetto revamped x2's devicesettings to include a QuickCharge toggle and his implementation didn't even require modifying our selinux policies which was nice too, so it was an easy include for LineageOS 16.0. He is the maintainer for RevengeOS and his trees are currently LineageOS based which is why his commit was super easy to bring to LineageOS 16.0.
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Yeah this is a great news then! Thank you again and thanks @Lucchetto00
Dude, hello, I feel very sympathetic about your problem, now I have a super music as max2 and pro3, he is working very well now, if you need, you can contact me, thank you This is my gmail mailbox :[email protected]
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The price of the motherboard in China is very user-friendly, because after LeTV is gone, many people are willing to take out their equipment, and this is a better device ：五指交叉：
520GOOgle said:
Dude, hello, I feel very sympathetic about your problem, now I have a super music as max2 and pro3, he is working very well now, if you need, you can contact me, thank you This is my gmail mailbox :[email protected]
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The price of the motherboard in China is very user-friendly, because after LeTV is gone, many people are willing to take out their equipment, and this is a better device ：五指交叉：
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Hello. Thank you. I couldn't look at here for a while. Please check your inbox.
The prices on Aliexpress is too much for me because of the dollar rate in Turkey. We have financial issues nowadays and our inflation is high. So I need a better price to buy a motherboard.
Have a nice day!
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Hello. Thank you. I couldn't look at here for a while. Please check your inbox.
The prices on Aliexpress is too much for me because of the dollar rate in Turkey. We have financial issues nowadays and our inflation is high. So I need a better price to buy a motherboard.
Have a nice day!
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Hey Buddy. Dunno Worry. My support is with you.
Apologies if anybody said any bad thing to you on TG or here.
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-Rohit from India
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Hey Buddy. Dunno Worry. My support is with you.
Apologies if anybody said any bad thing to you on TG or here.
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Thank you Rohit! And I know the guy on your profile pic. He is famous Turkish singer who name is Barış Manço. I'm glad you like him! ?
Don't get caught out, there's a number of these fakes circulating now. Please make sure even if it's a sealed phone you review my comparison of the packaging further down just to be sure. Even then to avoid being scammed always ask for the device to be opened to check first, don't meet in random locations and don't pay cash.
There's loads of these on Facebook now in and around the London area. I can see these becoming a really problem for those that don't look for the tell tail signs.
Do not be fooled into buying one of these devices off Facebook, gumtree etc it may be sealed but when you open up you'll have a dud by which point your seller will be long gone.
I tried searching the internet but found nothing relating to the IMEI or Serial number that's been used on the clone phones. Thought I'd post this help anyone check against that IMEI number.
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IMEI 1: 354484225250842
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See below screenshots from different sellers.
The box once opened you realise it is completely fake, one of the key differences being the s pen mounting location is not central, and towards the back of the device. The box to the untrained eye looks genuine the device is absolutely awful to use, rubbish cameras and the pen's rubbery texture means it hardly comes out. Don't be scammed.
Location of hole on genuine S23U is central as below:
To help spotting the differences I put the below image together, you'll note the rear and end sticker has white guide brackets on the genuine one but the fake doesn't have these.
Spot the difference on the packaging below:
Well that makes me genuinely curious as to what that device actually is
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Well that makes me genuinely curious as to what that device actually is
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It's a fake/clone s23u.
I saw few video , and it's very hard to spot. There's a S23u copy rightnow that is very convincing, and the youtuber indicate that if you don't own a samsung device or if you don't have a genuine s23u next to it to compare , it is very hard.
And this imply that you have the phone in your hand , powered up !
IMEI check is the safest way.
I dont trust reseller at all, especially when FB pop me up few S23U 256gb for 1000$ cad brand new... yeah.
I dont know your country, but here there's ZERO deal to do with providers. The lowest prices are the samsung official website prices. So why a random guy on internet would do a brand new phone 5-600$ cheaper?
** edit : the link is out already, Ive reported him
just for fun, the 1st click I spotted on FB : fake
- you can see a sensor on the top right corner that the real one dont have.
- you can see a rounded bezel , the S22/23 U got a square bezel.
- date on the phone is old
- registered in 2023
- asking 1300$ while its 1900$
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I don't know. The biggest giveaway is one of the boxes says FAKE on it in big red letters. Must be that honor among thieves thing. That should help to spot the fake one.
back in the days, around iphone 4 - 5 , copies were ''acceptable''.
1st most android were ok performance for the year, lasted 2-3 y before comming uber slow (not hyper powerful as today) , so copies were usable.
Also it was obvious.
And they were cheap.
It was more like a ''prank'' to friends, having the latest iphone when nobody can put their hands on, nor afford it.
Now the copies looks very convincing, but metidatek , allwinner , chipset are slow, but not enough to make it obvious when you rush to buy it.
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I don't know. The biggest giveaway is one of the boxes says FAKE on it in big red letters. Must be that honor among thieves thing. That should help to spot the fake one.
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would rather it was clear between the two otherwise I'd be getting asked questions to clarify.
Many moons ago got caught out with a fake Nokia n95 with the flip out qwerty if you remember it. Had to get carphone warehouse manager to write and confirm it was fake to PayPal.
These clones are geting more worse and now they even begun to copy IMEI off real phones. For example the fake clones of iphones have IMEI number from an actual iPhone. Just to make it look more real but once you take it to apple that's where they will tell you it is fake and not an actual iPhone. So idk if they started doing same on android phones by copying the IMEI from existing samsung phone or so.
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These clones are geting more worse and now they even begun to copy IMEI off real phones. For example the fake clones of iphones have IMEI number from an actual iPhone. Just to make it look more real but once you take it to apple that's where they will tell you it is fake and not an actual iPhone. So idk if they started doing same on android phones by copying the IMEI from existing samsung phone or so.
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Yes that's exactly what they are doing. When you check the imei on the fake device it shows as genuine which it clearly isn't. They are getting one step ahead just make sure you do your research before buying one of the fake phones. As they are very poor quality and not even worth £50.
Thanks for the thread, really useful information and highlighting an important issue as there are quite a few of these on sale on Facebook and gumtree.
So if the IMEI numbers on the box are copied from actual S23U's, how is the best way to check you are buying an real one - ? checking *#06# on the phone bring up the phones true IMEI number, and then checking that on an IMEI website be most accurate?
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Thanks for the thread, really useful information and highlighting an important issue as there are quite a few of these on sale on Facebook and gumtree.
So if the IMEI numbers on the box are copied from actual S23U's, how is the best way to check you are buying an real one - ? checking *#06# on the phone bring up the phones true IMEI number, and then checking that on an IMEI website be most accurate?
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The best way to not get screwed is to not order on a website that doesn't force a return policy and allows the use of payment methods that don't guarantee your money. Use Swappa or eBay. You'll pay more but have buyer protection.
the big question is if we can find a solution to flash them a clean firmware or something
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the big question is if we can find a solution to flash them a clean firmware or something
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The entire point is that the hardware isn't the same. They're grabbing the cheapest hardware they can to simulate an S23 Ultra, selling it, and disappearing.
exactly, cheap hardware with bugs on gps, wifi and bluetooth connectivity.
Performance, depending of the fake model, expect not more than a galaxy 4 or 5 range. Usable, but very limited on more hungry apps.
camera wise, expect around galaxy S quality.
apparently, on higher end fake, battery is pretty good. no surprise when the phone is slow af.
You can also check if it's a fake by using the getprop command via adb, if for some reason you are not 100% is fake.
It will show the real specs of the device, along with some proprieties used to fake the device UI and such. Leaving the output of a S23 Ultra 5G fake
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You can also check if it's a fake by using the getprop command via adb, if for some reason you are not 100% is fake.
It will show the real specs of the device, along with some proprieties used to fake the device UI and such. Leaving the output of a S23 Ultra 5G fake
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MediaTek 6582... Wow...
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That's definitely not going to be a usable device with 1GB of RAM and 8GB of storage even before you take into account that awful chip...
Only purchase from reputable sources or dealers. Using Facebook Marketplace, Swappa or Craigslist is asking to get taken for a ride. If the seller won't accept a credit or debit card that's a big red flag.
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I don't know. The biggest giveaway is one of the boxes says FAKE on it in big red letters. Must be that honor among thieves thing. That should help to spot the fake one.
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For me the biggest giveaway of a fake phone is the LOW PRICE - $100s below the average FB price
If something seems too good to be true it usually IS
Also there are genuinely easy checks to make:-
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if their account is less than 12 months old
If their home town is more than 50 miles away from your search area (or if they live in a different country / different continent!)
If the profile has no image or no posts
Price is more than $100 below every other ad
If any of the above are true be suspicious
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For me the biggest giveaway of a fake phone is the LOW PRICE - $100s below the average FB price
If something seems too good to be true it usually IS
Also there are genuinely easy checks to make:-
View sellers profile ...
if their account is less than 12 months old
If their home town is more than 50 miles away from your search area (or if they live in a different country / different continent!)
If the profile has no image or no posts
Price is more than $100 below every other ad
If any of the above are true be suspicious
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Be aware, not everybody outside CONUS is suspicious