After seeing two public statements being made that are bold faced lies, I think it would be fair and necessary for the community to make a more coordinated and collaborative effort at voicing the discontent on this situation to Google and other entities that can broaden our ripples. Getting the message to the right people is difficult and can often get lost in the low-middle management level instead of making it to the eyes that matter. Until they understand that you can't play around with a consumer's time and money just because they hold the product that is so widely coveted, then we will not be free of this chaos next year or any year that follows. I urge you to find a way or multiple ways to speak up and respectfully state the specifics on how this entire situation has been mishandled, and what our simple requests are as consumers, loyal fans, and product advocates. Please post your avenues of progress within this thread as you create your own ripples, and may our ripples join together to create waves that reach far enough past the California coastline to smack against the windows of the titans.
My first step is creating a full and detailed report to the Better Business Bureau here: http://www.bbb.org/losangelessilico...ptimization/google-in-mountain-view-ca-214105
Google, Inc. (Headquarters)
Phone: (650) 330-0100 Fax: (650) 618-1499
*Edit for clarification:
Anyone who has been active in or following the Shipping Waiting Room thread would understand. Google is letting orders hang in limbo that have been ordered since day 1 while fulfilling orders for the same color and storage that have been processed only a few days ago. Yesterday they posted on Google+ and Twitter that they are processing orders in the order that they've been placed, which is clearly a lie. This is about asking Google to make an honest statement as to the reasoning behind this, and for them to understand why it pisses off consumers so next year they have their stuff together in a more accurate and fair process. - This has caused a lot of individuals to lose their $50 Play credit in order to get a device as their original order hasn't moved forward well beyond their shipping promise date. Google has also denied to compensate for these credits if we cancel the early orders to buy one that is moving forward.
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huh?
The lack of a clear indication as to what you're so unhappy about doesn't allow us to hear join you. What is your major problem and in what ways has the 'mishandling' occurred to and affected you?
In short, it doesn't make much sense as it is!
You are welcome to a refund if you don't want to wait.
Anyone who has been active in or following the Shipping Waiting Room thread would understand. Google is letting orders hang in limbo that have been ordered since day 1 while fulfilling orders for the same color and storage that have been processed only a few days ago. Yesterday they posted on Google+ and Twitter that they are processing orders in the order that they've been placed, which is clearly a lie. This is about asking Google to make an honest statement as to the reasoning behind this, and for them to understand why it pisses off consumers so next year they have their stuff together in a more accurate and fair process.
I finally got my phone yesterday. They upgraded my shipping to next day air for free. I never even complained or got my panties in a bunch about other phones shipping before mine.
Google Fawkes Day - nice, let's just refrain from the burning, k
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I finally got my phone yesterday. They upgraded my shipping to next day air for free. I never even complained or got my panties in a bunch about other phones shipping before mine.
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It isn't a bad thing to be patient, but it also doesn't hurt to make sure companies understand that the consumers aren't stupid and can recognize a lie.
It's a pre-order device.
Sometimes computer ordering systems have issues.
I ordered 9/29 and my device just shipped yesterday.
It's not a life saving device. It's an eff'n phone.
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It's a pre-order device.
Sometimes computer ordering systems have issues.
I ordered 9/29 and my device just shipped yesterday.
It's not a life saving device. It's an eff'n phone.
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So what you're saying is that if you see a pair of really nice Nike shoes that perfectly fit your needs and Nike says to go ahead and pay for them for a promise to get them to you by X date, and at X date there is no sign of getting the pair you paid for nor have you received any communication from Nike as to why, yet you can see people walking in and buying the same exact pair and getting them the very next day, but Nike says "hey pal, don't worry, we are giving people their shoes in the order they gave us money", that it's ok? If we acted in that same manner in our jobs, we wouldn't be employed. All I would want is for Google to withdraw their false statement and give a true statement owning up to the problem so we can see that they recognize the issue and have the tools to prevent it next year.
Dear Google, I am sorry that I was so impatient to receive my device. I am now very happy though, and I now barely remember the month I had to wait.
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I called and asked them if there was a problem shipping some of the pre-orders and they said no. Mine was supposed to arrive on the 10th but it was shipped the day after I called. I think demand has them a bit flat-footed.
It's pretty clear that you aren't getting or just don't care about the point. Being patient isn't the issue nor a part of the complaint. Apathy towards big corporations using their power to break their own promises and completely disregard the loyalty of their consumers is the reason we now have attrociously high consumer costs for the minimum to be delivered in quantity and quality.
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Anyone who has been active in or following the Shipping Waiting Room thread would understand. Google is letting orders hang in limbo that have been ordered since day 1 while fulfilling orders for the same color and storage that have been processed only a few days ago. Yesterday they posted on Google+ and Twitter that they are processing orders in the order that they've been placed, which is clearly a lie. This is about asking Google to make an honest statement as to the reasoning behind this, and for them to understand why it pisses off consumers so next year they have their stuff together in a more accurate and fair process.
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Makes a lot more sense now! I wasn't flaming you, I know the frustrations well.
it sucks I had to order a second phone after being told mine was going to be delayed only to ship on time. But there's a local member whos hasnt shipped yet thats going to take it off my hands so all and all it was a bit sucky.
The fact that people pre ordered a device on Oct 1st and don't have their devices in their hands yet people who ordered this Monday already do should make consumers angry. It's called holding businesses accountable. If every one had the attitude of some posters here *****ing about people being upset then why should businesses care to improve if they know the consumer will willingly take it up the bum?
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What's with people always demanding a freaking apology these days?
Pre order got screwed up, Google didn't Rob or steal, nor hurt anyone. Get the eff over it.
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What's with people always demanding a freaking apology these days?
Pre order got screwed up, Google didn't Rob or steal, nor hurt anyone. Get the eff over it.
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I could say the inverse about people who act the way you are about situations like this. What's with people letting themselves get walked all over by corporations/(insert any other figure of authority here) and believing it is ok to be fed lies while the truth is covered up? "Get the eff over it"? How about grow a pair and not be afraid to speak up and call people out on their lies. If you want to get technical, Google did "rob" people in a figurative manner. Those who pre-ordered paid real cash to secure real items in a specific order of allocation. Google handing out those items to people that placed an order after these folks is essentially robbing both their time and product to satisfy another individual. Brushing the whole situation off as "meh it got screwed up" is an apathetic excuse. A company the size of Google with the amount of resources available to be the world's largest and fastest search engine and database should be able to handle a simple task such as aligning pre-orders based on time of purchase and fulfilling them in ascending order. A few here and there being shipped out ahead of another would be a "meh" situation, but at this volume there is something clearly wrong and would indicate the need for Google to clarify what is happening and why, not easily disproven public statements of "it's ok guys, we're doing it right because we're Google".
I'm not even going to read that wall of text reply.
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I'm not even going to read that wall of text reply.
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You mean a paragraph? Thanks for proving my point.
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Remember the ad for the Touchpad? The one that uses "Works like nothing else" ?
As I'm sure you've probably already heard, Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:26 PM, Apple sent out an email ad that directly uses Hp's classic ad slogan.
What kind of marketing strategy is this supposed to be?
HP Using the Slogan
http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad.html
Apple Using the Same Slogan
http://images.apple.com/dm/us/11/4831/i/ttl.gif
Apple tends to steal things straight like this all the time, one of many reasons I hate the company. Remember what Jobs said: Good artists copy, great artists steal.
HP won't be needing it anymore
I showed my apple fanboy friend the said evidence and all he said was "Apple probably did it first."
*facepalm*
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I showed my apple fanboy friend the said evidence and all he said was "Apple probably did it first."
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This is exactly what happens with the fruity loyalists or should I say iDiots!
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This is exactly what happens with the fruity loyalists or should I say iDiots!
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Yep, they also think Apple invented the mouse first and the GUI "windowed" OS
ah but there is a subtle distinction, HP's is WORK and Apple is everything. Probably enough of a difference to get by a court.
Well, I guess if that's how you dig up dirt on the competition, then I'm all for it...
Apple actually says that their ipad2 does things. Hp is just saying that you will be surprised how buggy and slow their OS is after buying their tablet for 80% off retail. Basically HP was being sarcastic. Lose sound on your previously 500 dollar tablet on a daily basis and have to resort to command lines or restarting to get it back??? "Works like nothing else".
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Apple actually says that their ipad2 does things. Hp is just saying that you will be surprised how buggy and slow their OS is after buying their tablet for 80% off retail. Basically HP was being sarcastic. Lose sound on your previously 500 dollar tablet on a daily basis and have to resort to command lines or restarting to get it back??? "Works like nothing else".
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That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
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That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
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Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
yareally said:
That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
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First, when HP made this ad the Touchpad was the same price as the iPad . . . I have preware, installed the first day I had the Touchpad, first thing I did with it after initial setup. I have done all due diligence to get this thing functional, and its not. The patch you speak of is not a fix. Its not a solution. Its exactly what you call it, a patch, over a gaping wound in the OS. Having to tap an icon to have it run the simple command line "stop pulseaudio && start pulseaudio" is not a fix. Its a ridiculous workaround that should never have had to exist in the first place. One thing I have found though is that users of WebOS are some of the largest apologists for GAPING bugs I have ever met, especially over on precentral. Reminds me of Windows Mobile days. Here is evidence that I knew about this patch before your kind of snotty reply: http://forums.precentral.net/3164593-post194.html
Don't worry, the Touchpad IS for me. WebOS is what's not for me. It stinks in its current form, which is sad because of how much potential it has.
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Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
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What are you even talking about? Tell me how to stop WebOS from losing sound, not how to restart it which I already knew using the Xterm method and which I already read about the patch over on precentral earlier today. Tell me how to get a semi functional browser which isn't ridiculously slow on WebOS. Not asking for anything to be handed to me. I am not the normal complainer who can't do 5 minutes of research. I have spent hours since I got this thing trying to fix bugs until I gave up and chose to wait for Android to be ported.
Also, in case anyone was wondering, my initial comment in this thread was a JOKE, which both of you took seriously. Remember what a joke is?
Such anger over an OS, lol. Linux always has bugs, it's just the nature of linux, even android has them
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Such anger over an OS, lol. Linux always has bugs, it's just the nature of linux, even android has them
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Not mad at the OS at all. Annoyed perhaps. Also annoyed at your response to what was a joke, which made several false assumptions.
I understand bugs completely. I don't understand how HP thought this thing was ready for primetime or how it was worth iPad prices in its current form.
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Not mad at the OS at all. Annoyed perhaps. Also annoyed at your response to what was a joke, which made several false assumptions.
I understand bugs completely. I don't understand how HP thought this thing was ready for primetime or how it was worth iPad prices in its current form.
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I suggest making it more obvious you're joking next time, lol. This is the internet after all.
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Yep, they also think Apple invented the mouse first and the GUI "windowed" OS
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They assume that everything was invented first by Apple. I told my friend about the new iOS notifications system on iOS 5 and how they, pretty much, stole it from android and his response was: "yea but look at how many things android has stolen." Talk about ignorance.
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Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
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That makes no sense as a rebuttle
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That makes no sense as a rebuttle
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It was a rather big stretch to tie in one's political viewpoint and observations with a posting on Apple stealing, lol.
You know, I kind of figured that it was an inside thing. Maybe HP and Apple are the same people?
Maybe it was- maybe it was all a test. I mean, why else would Apple do something like that. And it's gotten very little coverage mind you.
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You know, I kind of figured that it was an inside thing. Maybe HP and Apple are the same people?
Maybe it was- maybe it was all a test. I mean, why else would Apple do something like that. And it's gotten very little coverage mind you.
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vast tech conspiracy
Alright. The forums are filled with speculation, rumours, facts and a lot of first-adopters under caffeine addiction and patience measurable by a microscope.
For many of you this might be a first 'early adoption' attempt. I've been in a few (most recently with Galaxy Nexus just a month ago), so let me just point out a few things that makes this Prime fiasco not sound like a fiasco at all.
There is no such thing as a world wide launch, or even a US/Europe launch, for a flagship device that does not have supply issues. Every flagship device released has supply issues. We live in times where the demand for flagship devices far outweigh the ability to manufacture. This is why Apple (sometimes) starts production much earlier than others since their demand is -even higher- than any device released by Asus or Samsung. But even they get hit by supply issues and some stores or countries don't get the device for months, if at all. Thus, trust me when I say this, a high demand and problematic supply is a good sign. If you are an early adopter of something that does not have a high demand and supply problems, the product might not be as good as you hope.
If they were to manufacture quicker then the price would go up. There are human resources behind product manufacturing, which are limited. And not only is it limited by human resources, but also by supply of parts from partners that end up in the final device. If you had a choice of 'waiting longer' for a cleaner launch (so they could manufacture more devices by the time of launch) or having Asus release products a little sooner to satisfy early adopter interest, we all know we would rather get it sooner rather than later, even if some of us have to wait longer (we are selfish like that). So it is better that at least some of us, who pre-ordered very early and got lucky with the seller, will get the device this month instead of delayed launch in January or later.
Another reason why companies release products sooner is because it is a race. While they can manufacture only certain amount, if they held back a release to have more devices during launch, they would be a month or even more closer to the time when the device becomes outdated. This is especially true with Android tablets that simply do not carry the word of mouth of an iPad or a content ecosystem of Kindle Fire. Android tablets are a niche device which competes in market dominated not by software, but by specs. It is more beneficial for Asus to get the product out quicker from sales standpoint, even if they are unable to manufacture to meet the early demand.
This issue seems huge and bad for you. But to everyone outside the circle, no one is even aware. You simply think this is the worst launch in the history of tech launches, when in fact this type of launch is more common than the changing of socks. Asus and every other company goes through couple of launches like that every year. This here is nothing special, there's no point trying to make it sound like it is. The reason why tech portals are not full of huge discussions about Asus and Transformer Prime launch is because it is not at all a major issue in tech world.
And companies know this. Both sellers and manufacturers know about the impatience of early adopters who place pre-orders often even before they know what the device is about. Reality is that early adopters are a very small percentage of the people who end up buying the product. Upsetting early adopters at a time when the product is not even widely advertised does not damage Asus sales. They are used to it and in fact so is every other company.
Tech problems are also common with devices. In fact I don't know a flagship device that does not come with a quirk or two. Galaxy Nexus smartphone launch involved the phone not working properly on 2G networks which was a major, major issue. A hardware manufacturing flaw. But it was fixed with a software update so it became a non-issue. You can add Apple's Antennagates and battery issues to this pile too. Small issues get blown out of proportion because of user expectation after paying a lot of money. Companies do their best to fix these problems. If Prime is affected by weaker WiFi signal, well, it simply is not perfect. It is also not as fast in certain aspects compared to iPad 2, so what? If you are really disappointed you should wait for something better, but expecting a device to be flawless is silly since it is just not going to happen.
The reason why customer support does not respond to you with all the details in the world is because the customer support does not know. Product launch and manufacturing is something that involves thousands of people and hundreds of companies. Sellers do their best to get their orders, Asus does their best to meet the demand. And every day you ask about the product, that customer support person has gone through many just like you before you contact them. You, an early adopter, who keeps bombing the customer support every day, are just a drop in the pond. You have no idea how low priority it is for any company to deal with your epic problem that is really just about you getting a product few weeks early.
If you want to cancel your pre-order, go ahead and do it. But do not think that any seller or Asus is affected by your canceling. They will sell their items regardless. Do not cancel the pre-order for wrong reasons. If you really want another device or wait for another device, do it. But don't cancel a pre-order just out of bitterness, you'll regret it a month down the road.
I know that we are all frustrated since we want the product right now. Some of us have already paid the full price, some of us have paid even more (I'm paying 20% extra for customs fees from the product and courier shipping). But this is just a product. Unless your friend is a freak of nature like you are about product launches, you will still get a shiny Transformer Prime before your friends and family to show off and feel great about.
I, for one, am glad to have ordered Prime. I will get it and so will you. Just be a little more patient.
holy wall of text, tldr
can u repeat that i wast really paying attention.......... its the 12th lets hope there was some truth
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LOL!!! I was thinking the same thing!
I actually did read it, and having been through such product launches before (namely, the TF101), I definitely agree.
Everything kristovaher said was right, especially about all these whiners that cancelled their pre-orders because they don't have any patience. So all those above me that are trying to sound cool at the expense of an intelligent, truthful response to all the 'drama', you're not cool. You're not funny.
ask a verizon customer waiting for the Gnex if this is a bad launch !
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I actually did read it, and having been through such product launches before (namely, the TF101), I definitely agree.
Everything kristovaher said was right, especially about all these whiners that cancelled their pre-orders because they don't have any patience. So all those above me that are trying to sound cool at the expense of an intelligent, truthful response to all the 'drama', you're not cool. You're not funny.
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and your not cool for caring about peoples whining, i could never imagine giving enough ****s to right/read a sentence about the haters/whiners.
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Thanks for writing that, OP. It's refreshing to see some intelligent and logical posts here. I can see that XDA Developers (unfortunately) deserves its reputation based on some of the posts made in this thread.
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Why do you out yourself as a total dumbass in all publicity?
That is really weird...
I thought those kind of pictures belong to forums were the average user is below 10 years...
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Thanks for writing that, OP. It's refreshing to see some intelligent and logical posts here. I can see that XDA Developers (unfortunately) deserves its reputation based on some of the posts made in this thread.
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What reputation is that? They are generally lauded by the tech media as far as I know. A few kids that post silliness shouldn't warrant a bad reputation. Look at all of the development that happens here. That's where the rep should and does come from, imo.
I read it also. He is right though. This lookin like its going to turn into a flame thread, unfortunately. People just need to chill out. We have exactly one week till release
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I read it also. He is right though. This lookin like its going to turn into a flame thread, unfortunately. People just need to chill out. We have exactly one week till release
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Exactly.
And what is more amusing is that Asus has not -lied- to anybody, yet people act as if they have. They came out with as official as possible release date on 1st of December and no one believed them. They said 12/19, which they universally pushed all to 19 because of higher-than-expected demand for Prime. A lot of people shot it down though for the simple reason of it being later than they would like it to be, even going as far as saying that this 19 didn't even come from Asus.
I can understand frustration if majority of November pre-orders are not covered by Christmas, but today is only 12th of December.
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Why do you out yourself as a total dumbass in all publicity?
That is really weird...
I thought those kind of pictures belong to forums were the average user is below 10 years...
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The Internet = Serious Business
It's all over folks, no more joking or having fun on the internet, Diamondback's panties might get in a bunch and call you mean and nasty names.
theres a fire a-comin.... so hide yo keeds, hide yo...
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The Internet = Serious Business
It's all over folks, no more joking or having fun on the internet, Diamondback's panties might get in a bunch and call you mean and nasty names.
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Trolls aren't wanted here. Go Away and troll somebody else..
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Anybody else wish that all Transformer Prime discussion was still limited to those three threads on the TF1 forum? At least there would be some level of moderation, that we do not have at all here yet.
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What reputation is that? They are generally lauded by the tech media as far as I know. A few kids that post silliness shouldn't warrant a bad reputation. Look at all of the development that happens here. That's where the rep should and does come from, imo.
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On reddit (and a few other sites) there's a consensus that while there is still a lot of great content & good developers on XDA, there's also a lot of immaturity.
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On reddit (and a few other sites) there's a consensus that while there is still a lot of great content & good developers on XDA, there's also a lot of immaturity.
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Real reason for this is that majority of devices don't have their own forums, which do exist here. So it brings in non-developers even though the forums name is 'xda developers'.
It's not bad, XDA is still a tremendous resource and the development subforums are a great source of quality information, but general threads are populated with repeat questions and rumour-mongering, as is evident in the case of Prime, a device that not many of us have spent any time with.
I've run product marketing/management in many of my positions. To a large extent, what you covered in your missive is true. Launching a new product successfully is a study in project management. There are thousands of tasks that all have to be orchestrated and there are many dependencies and there are some things can only be done sequentially. There's an axiom in product management: you can have it good, fast, or cheap - pick two. My guess is the CEO of Asus who is somewhat of a cowboy demanded "fast" to beat other competitors to market. That pretty much screws the product management team who is forced to make concessions with their carefully created project plan/timeline and forego the quality of the launch for the sake of speed.
There are quite a few clues that something funky is going on with the launch of the Prime.
1) Clearly the types and quantities of product are lower than originally estimated. The fact that some colors/sizes are available in some places and not others is a clue. And the launch date sliding by weeks very close in means they allowed themselves no cushion to deal with issues that inevitably come up with a product launch. That or they miscalculated which is never a good sign. Amazon, who is really good at selling stuff, didn't randomly take pre-orders without some sort of quantity commitment. Something changed and fairly close to launch. The fact that they pulled the product completely probably means they lost confidence in Asus' commitments; at least for the time being.
2) Until the device is in fairly widespread use we won't know if there are potential h/w or s/w issues. The fact than some reviewer units and early units in Taiwan are having Wi-Fi issues may be early production challenges or a potential design issue. The fact that reviewers with problem units sent them back and got units without issues is both good and bad. The fact Asus knew what the problem was and fixed it means that, at a stage very close to launch, they're finding things that are typically identified much earlier in the process.
3) Asus is smaller compared to its peers. Based on last quarter's financials they generate half the revenue of Acer another Taiwanese tech company. The combination of fewer resources, a demanding CEO, set-in-stone deadlines and working with new technology (Teg3 and ICS) isn't a recipe for quality and timeliness. And being smaller, they get less preferential treatment and pricing from vendors supplying the components they use to assemble their products. And the TF1 wasn't a beacon of quality at launch and the Prime is a much more complex device.
4) There's been a lot of discussion about the complexity of fabricating the Teg3 SoC. Other things like the all metal casing are new too. There may be production or supply issues with components being manufactured by third parties for the Prime that are beyond Asus' control. Regardless, you don't typically set a launch date until all those risks are identified and mitigated.
So, the statement that all product launches are challenging is true - in every industry. Asus said they plan to sell a million tablets in 2012 of which I'm assuming the Prime is the majority. The launch will be quickly forgotten. How well Asus did with the Prime will be judged months from now.
We are starting a movement toward HTC to get them to release their source code on a more timely basis such as samsung. We need as many people as we can get to do this with us because they won't listen if only users of 1 devices complains. i know others devices have been held up by htc so we are reaching out to (or at least trying to) all of the htc device forums we can in order to spread the word and get everyone involved. please take a look at the link below as it has all of the info regarding this.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1821328
PETITON: http://www.change.org/petitions/htc-htc-needs-to-speed-up-kernel-source-releases?share_id=sLjvObpqne
Edit: the thread and the petition have been reworked in a way that will reflect a more professional stance on the issue. please read it and voice your opinions about it so i can make it better if needed.
even thow htc are not following GLP does not mean for us to get mad over this it will come if not then we should boycot htc
I am not signing a petition that uses terms like "B.S." in the letter. If you want HTC to respond, the letter should be done a bit more professionally and not read like it was written by a pre-teen.
Great idea, though. I am sure there is an appropriate letter to be found somewhere on the interwebs.
BTW, I can't believe that, with all the Verizon delays in releasing ICS, HTC does not already have the source ready for release. The OTA was almost exactly the same as the leak we got a month earlier.
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cflo360 said:
even thow htc are not following GLP does not mean for us to get made over this it will come if not then we should boycot htc
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Huh? Lol
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Huh? Lol
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Exact thoughts I had
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WookieFan said:
I am not signing a petition that uses terms like "B.S." in the letter. If you want HTC to respond, the letter should be done a bit more professionally and not read like it was written by a pre-teen.
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I agree, that's a bit embarrassing. I'm beginning to think this device is mostly owned by people who are teens to early 20's. Between the way petition letter was written and the high school drama on this board over the past several months, I think I may be in the minority owning this phone in my late 30's.
cflo360 said:
even thow htc are not following GLP does not mean for us to get made over this it will come if not then we should boycot htc
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Let me see if I could translate:
Dear kind sirs,
Even through HTC isn't following the GLP, we shouldn't get our jimmies rustled. If they continue to not give us what we demand, we should boycott the company.
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Let me see if I could translate:
Dear kind sirs,
Even through HTC isn't following the GLP, we shouldn't get our jimmies rustled. If they continue to not give us what we demand, we should boycott the company.
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Nice!
HTC will eventually release the source. I don't think a petition will do anything at all to expedite that. It's not a priority and the very small percentage of Rezound users that want the source is not going to make it so. If you're really up in arms about it and want to do something that has a chance of working, not a guarantee, but a chance, report a GPL violation.
Some things to keep in mind is that GNU can't do anything about it in this case, so don't waste time reporting it to them. They publish the license, but they are not the copyright holder of the kernel source. Only the copyright holders can do anything about license violations. In this case, there are several thousand copyright holders...everyone who has ever had any code merged into the mainline of the Linux kernel is a copyright holder. Their interests are protected by the Linux Foundation at http://www.linuxfoundation.org/. That is where to start if you want to report a violation.
It's fine to have this energy about this, but don't make the mistake of misdirecting in a bad direction.
Sorry, but I can't sign this.
While I fully support HTC complying with the GPL. I support the usage of basic grammar in formal writing even more.
Was the petition machine translated? That would explain a lot.
foggytown said:
Sorry, but I can't sign this.
While I fully support HTC complying with the GPL. I support the usage of basic grammar in formal writing even more.
Was the petition machine translated? That would explain a lot.
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This.
If you're going to make a petition for something like this, then you need to do it professionally / with well-written grammar, etc. Right now, like previously mentioned, it just sounds like a bunch of teenagers that aren't getting their way. Re-write the petition to make it sound more formal / professional, and you'll get more support.
Not to mention all the other problems with this, I don't really think this is [URGENT]...
Is someone going to kill your dog if they don't release the source or something?
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We are starting a movement toward HTC to get them to release their source code on a more timely basis such as samsung. We need as many people as we can get to do this with us because they won't listen if only users of 1 devices complains. i know others devices have been held up by htc so we are reaching out to (or at least trying to) all of the htc device forums we can in order to spread the word and get everyone involved. please take a look at the link below as it has all of the info regarding this.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1821328
PETITON: http://www.change.org/petitions/htc-htc-needs-to-speed-up-kernel-source-releases?share_id=sLjvObpqne
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-_- really?????? come on now. have you read the GPL????
GPL has no specific date or time:
"While this version of the GPL does not place an explicit timeframe upon fulfilment of source distribution under section 3(b), it is the consensus viewpoint of the Linux community that such distribution take place as soon as is practical and certainly no more than 14 days after a request is made."
^ they have a choice to follow what other linux devs do which is 14 days. its only been 6 official days sense launch of ICS on the rez.
Please put down the pitch forks and RELAX already. once the 14 days are up, and you want join Spartacus in his quest to get source, then by all means do so.
Wah. I want my ice cream sandwich! Stomping feet on the way back to my room. Slams door.
I don't get why anyone is taking this thread seriously. If i were HTC and I received some letter from a group of people demanding I release MY WORK earlier than I planned, IF AT ALL, I'd tell them to go buy a a phone from some other manufacturer. Id then sit back and watch my sales drop 1% and continue to enjoy the millions of dollars that continue to come in because we all know HTC makes great phones and a VERY small percentage of consumers would stop buying them even if HTC said they would NEVER release anything.
You guys act like this is some kind of public utility that small children are relying on to survive. HTC owes us nothing outside of what the warranties on their equipment provides for. Grow up already. If you aren't happy, buy another freakin' phone. Jesus.
To Whom it May Concern:
Many owners of one of your devices, the HTC Rezound, appreciate your recent release of the Android 4.0 "Iced Cream Sandwich" operating system. Our collective enthusiasm continues to drive the notions of both innovation and creativity; to that end, we would like to ask that you please consider expediting the schedule you have for releasing the kernel source code for this operating system. While it is true that several previous devices developed by your company (and others) have taken a series of months before release, our community overall asks that you consider accelerating your kernel release schedule so that we may further engage in our community development efforts.
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That is how educated, articulate adults speak and write. I would suggest replacing the existing petition text with something similar to what I wrote above; that way you won't sound like a 15-year old self-entitled douche-canoe, and will have the added bonus of most likely getting more than 142 signatories.
partizan1981 said:
To Whom it May Concern:
Many owners of one of your devices, the HTC Rezound, appreciate your recent release of the Android 4.0 "Iced Cream Sandwich" operating system. Our collective enthusiasm continues to drive the notions of both innovation and creativity; to that end, we would like to ask that you please consider expediting the schedule you have for releasing the kernel source code for this operating system. While it is true that several previous devices developed by your company (and others) have taken a series of months before release, our community overall asks that you consider accelerating your kernel release schedule so that we may further engage in our community development efforts.
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That is how educated, articulate adults speak and write. I would suggest replacing the existing petition text with something similar to what I wrote above; that way you won't sound like a 15-year old self-entitled douche-canoe, and will have the added bonus of most likely getting more than 142 signatories.
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Nicely done. Sales 101. Not to sound hypocritical but I'm going to steal the term douche-canoe from you for my personal use
Sorry my English is a little bad lol.
wmaudio said:
I don't get why anyone is taking this thread seriously. If i were HTC and I received some letter from a group of people demanding I release MY WORK earlier than I planned, IF AT ALL, I'd tell them to go buy a a phone from some other manufacturer. Id then sit back and watch my sales drop 1% and continue to enjoy the millions of dollars that continue to come in because we all know HTC makes great phones and a VERY small percentage of consumers would stop buying them even if HTC said they would NEVER release anything.
You guys act like this is some kind of public utility that small children are relying on to survive. HTC owes us nothing outside of what the warranties on their equipment provides for. Grow up already. If you aren't happy, buy another freakin' phone. Jesus.
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You're joking right? You're talking as if HTC is the number one manufacturer when even RIM outsold HTC so far in 2012. That's bad. HTC was doing bad so they had to shake things up, did the One series with Sense 4 then just said "Meh..." to their other devices.
See, that's the thing. You say they owe us nothing when, by the GPL, they do. They're supposed to release the kernel source and haven't. Why? Give me one good reason why they haven't released their source code. They have nothing to gain from this situation other than customers getting pissed off which can be a PR nightmare. Trust me. There are over 25,000 users of ViperROM. HTC's better off to just give us what is rightfully ours before it turns into a giant headache for them.
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See, that's the thing. You say they owe us nothing when, by the GPL, they do. They're supposed to release the kernel source and haven't. Why? Give me one good reason why they haven't released their source code. They have nothing to gain from this situation other than customers getting pissed off which can be a PR nightmare. Trust me. There are over 25,000 users of ViperROM. HTC's better off to just give us what is rightfully ours before it turns into a giant headache for them.
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Wow. Such an entitlement mentality. That is the problem with a lot of people. You owe me.... I deserve it. No!
Is this a clone of the Omate?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wear...MA-3G-Bluetooth-MTK6572-3-0Mp/1815740935.html
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Probably yeah...I won't be surprised if it's 99% TS...
Who cares for backers when you can take the money from 3rd party seller and no one can't do anything about it...
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Omate doesn't make these devices. Pretty much anybody with enough money can buy these from Umeox/Mediatek in bulk and brand them as their own.
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Omate doesn't make these devices. Pretty much anybody with enough money can buy these from Umeox/Mediatek in bulk and brand them as their own.
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Will the omate, aw...etc custom rom work with the z8? I mean I could try but it would be a waste of 150 bucks.
Copycat
Lokifish Marz said:
Omate doesn't make these devices. Pretty much anybody with enough money can buy these from Umeox/Mediatek in bulk and brand them as their own.
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This is NOT a X201. This is a low end copycat by a "shanzai" bandit company.
@llepen
So this was the 1:1 copy you mentioned elsewhere? I didn't examine the images in detail so my mistake. Wonder who they are sourcing the PCBA's through.
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@llepen
So this was the 1:1 copy you mentioned elsewhere? I didn't examine the images in detail so my mistake. Wonder who they are sourcing the PCBA's through.
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yes 1:1 copycat of the 512MB+4GB not made by us (Umeox factory) but by a local PCB maker which has copied the circuitry (even the design flaws), it's common in China so we usually add one or two resistors that we actually do not connect to make them lose more time figuring out why we added them. That's the funny part, the problem with the firmware we provide, they can boot it on their units... real bandit work
smart! you should have added more incorrct resistors. To the point wher they burn whole device
MT6572 - Umeox x201??
Could you please clarify...
MT6572 is the chipset used in these units, right?
Umeox x201 is the firmware or stock ROM used on these units?
TrueSmart, Sim Valley AW-414/420, Vapirius AX-3, XTouch are variants of ...?
What other variants are out there?
Thank you.
x201 is the Umeox model number.
AW-414/TrueSmart prototype sample 512/4 2100
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which part you dont't understand?
1. that they have stolen the PCB design to make a perfect 1:1 copy of omate truesmart
2. or that the stolen design had two design flaws introduced specifically on purpose, to make this stealing useless?
your Z8 has faulty transistors in it. It won't work sometimes.
cosurgi said:
which part you dont't understand?
1. that they have stolen the PCB design to make a perfect 1:1 copy of omate truesmart
2. or that the stolen design had two design flaws introduced specifically on purpose, to make this stealing useless?
your Z8 has faulty transistors in it. It won't work sometimes.
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Well, the stolen design has the same spurious resistors on it the real x201s have, so unless the thieves have connected them up in a way that is different from how the x201s were wired, the result is the same.
In any case, don't buy a cheaper knock-off of an x201 device from these thieves. They are cheaper for a reason.
You will find you have the same problems with the firmware as us TrueSmart owners do, anyway. Buy a used TrueSmart off eBay and it will probably be cheaper anyway.
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Open and honest.
@ Lokifish Marz - Thanks for the answer
cosurgi said:
which part you dont't understand?
1. that they have stolen the PCB design to make a perfect 1:1 copy of omate truesmart
2. or that the stolen design had two design flaws introduced specifically on purpose, to make this stealing useless?
your Z8 has faulty transistors in it. It won't work sometimes.
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@ cosurgi - I asked what X201 meant and about the variants - you're so intoxicated with your ranting that you didn't read the questions. You should really vent your frustrations at the manufacturers of the Z8.
Most company's copy each other even Apple, Google. Your real issue is not the 'stealing', but rather that they copied something that you may be associated too, else you'd be complaining about a lot of company's even your own who I'm sure at some point have copied something.
If you have any measurable proofs that the Z8 is inferior to the x201, please enlighten us? I'm not saying that the Z8 is better nor that the Omate is better, because I don't have any evidence.
As user 'trent999' pointed out your claim that "your Z8 has faulty transistors in it. It won't work sometimes" is also untrue. If the Z8 manufacturers have acted illegally then you need to deal with them directly if there is a patent or any type of copyright on the x201?
XDA is based in openness without prejudice, anyone can one post any copied device or software as long as its legal to do so without having to feel any repercussions. You're feedback/reply is most welcome, but with a little professionalism please. :fingers-crossed:
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@ Lokifish Marz - Thanks for the answer
XDA is based in openness without prejudice, anyone can one post any copied device or software as long as its legal to do so without having to feel any repercussions. You're feedback/reply is most welcome, but with a little professionalism please. :fingers-crossed:
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I've been a member of the xda forums for a very long time, although I am not an active contributor as anyone can tell from my post count. While this post adds nothing to your original thread, I wanted to comment on how welcome your reply was. It's been a long time since I've seen a response to a rant so well written in both syntax and tone. For a moment I was transported to 2005 with an HTC Wizard in my pocket!
Thanks Again,
--fg
please accept my apologies.
Also I'm sympathetic to omate, because creating the PCB design was expensive, and the thieves didn't need to pay that upfront cost.
Of course would be much better if it was open sourced (the PCB) but it is difficult to find experts willing to work for free IMHO.
Ideal if omate paid experts and immediately open sourced their PCB design, but IMHO that's a receipe for suicide, since other manufacturers didn't pay the experts so they can sell their units for lower price.
Well they do a better job of being honest about the specs, such as megapixels of the camera, not being waterproof, processor speed MHz, additional accessories, companion app still not working, Play store, etc, etc. And their shipment dates are probably also not half a year off. So I'm many ways this "fake" watch is actually more honest and real than the Omate version.
cosurgi said:
please accept my apologies.
Also I'm sympathetic to omate, because creating the PCB design was expensive, and the thieves didn't need to pay that upfront cost.
Of course would be much better if it was open sourced (the PCB) but it is difficult to find experts willing to work for free IMHO.
Ideal if omate paid experts and immediately open sourced their PCB design, but IMHO that's a receipe for suicide, since other manufacturers didn't pay the experts so they can sell their units for lower price.
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@cosurgi - No love lost here. - it is really really tough when ones hard work seems to be or goes unappreciated.
@pizzaman79 - it must be annoying waiting so long and its no compensation, but most large projects, ventures are delayed, due to the sheer complexity from planning to delivery to post support. I'm sure Laurent Le Pen is under a lot of pressure trying to deliver on time.
I take it you're still waiting for yours?
It is amazing how much technology they have packed into a little device. If the battery life was longer (and i know its difficult without changing the thickness) it would be a legend of a device - minus the delivery issues. :fingers-crossed:
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it must be annoying waiting so long and its no compensation, but most large projects, ventures are delayed, due to the sheer complexity from planning to delivery to post support. I'm sure Laurent Le Pen is under a lot of pressure trying to deliver on time.
I take it you're still waiting for yours?
It is amazing how much technology they have packed into a little device. If the battery life was longer (and i know its difficult without changing the thickness) it would be a legend of a device - minus the delivery issues. :fingers-crossed:
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I got mine a few days ago. I think it's an amazing piece of hardware. If only they would have been more honest in the pr. Now they had to announce disappointment after disappointment. It's quite a long list if you add it all up. And that's such a shame, because what happens at a psychological level is this:
People read about the TrueSmart on Kickstarter and get excited and become a backer. Then they get disappointing news ten times in a row. One happy feeling, followed by ten sad feelings. Until all the excitement is gone.
It would be better to start with lower expectations and maybe 25% less backers, and add positive news after positive news so people and the press get more and more excited in stead of less and less.
Tl;Dr the hardware is great, but will it be good enough to make up for the psychology of their pr?
"Shame shame I know your name"
So for new buyers the following issue still remain?
1. 1GB version runs 1Ghz instead of 1.3 Ghz
2. Not certified dust or waterproof.
3. Using the charging cradle doesn't allow pressing the buttons while charging, such as to snooze or disable an alarm.
4. Inserting a SD card voids the warranty for water resistance.
5. Have to apply the security patch.
Any others issues?
Would there be any benefit in buying the Z8 to compare? They only have the 512MB /4GB model. I reckon other than point 3 above it'll be very similar.
Between the EC309 & Omate + other x201 models which yields better battery life in real life use?
Is there an alternative to the Omate?
I am very sad to say it but I have cancelled my order. I just cant justify paying what this phone costs for something that wont even let me use Android Auto and keeps switching Google apps to Oppo even after setting Google apps as default. I will continue to lurk and hope for a day when we see this phone released with a Global version. Thanks to everyone for all your answers and feedback, it is appreciated.
Anyone want to buy an Oppo light Gray case…should be arriving at my door any day now
You’ve done the right thing. No matter what someone else tries to tell you about rotation apps or how the general experience isn’t a problem, I’m sorry, but it is. You just saved yourself a crap load of money and I’m happy for you.
Mine is going up on eBay UK tomorrow if anyone is interested
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You’ve done the right thing. No matter what someone else tries to tell you about rotation apps or how the general experience isn’t a problem, I’m sorry, but it is. You just saved yourself a crap load of money and I’m happy for you.
Mine is going up on eBay UK tomorrow if anyone is interested
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It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N.
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It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N. View attachment 5507817
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Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations. Don’t worry he’ll wait for your analysis on Android Auto.
You say most of apps works, 99.999% would work fine, yeah OK….have you used every single one of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it.
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Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations. Don’t worry he’ll wait for your analysis on Android Auto.
You say most of apps works, 99.999% would work fine, yeah OK….have you used every single one of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it.
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For your first question... It's in the name "XDA-Developers", and if that is not enough it is in a statement on their home page.
Ask what you want, but if you are coming here to ask questions you should expect responses that include customizing. imapfsr was smart in coming here because they knew they did not want to do heavy customizations, and asked questions that lead to not buying the phone. You on the other hand seem mad that people are offering up solutions to these issues.
Last, if you want to quote me pay attention to context, it is important. My comment was this:
I said 99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape mode, and to turn to portrait for the others. In a later post I offered to test specific apps for anyone that would like. This was in response to you complaining about the phone being in landscape by default.
Do you also complain about all the default portrait phones that force you to turn into landscape when you launch a game?
Admiral Oden said:
It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N. View attachment 5507817
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Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations.
You say most of apps works, there’s 99.9999% would work fine, have you used of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it
Admiral Oden said:
For your first question... It's in the name "XDA-Developers", and if that is not enough it is in a statement on their home page.
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Ask what you want, but if you are coming here to ask questions you should expect responses that include customizing. imapfsr was smart in coming here because they knew they did not want to do heavy customizations, and asked questions that lead to not buying the phone. You on the other hand seem mad that people are offering up solutions to these issues.
Last, if you want to quote me pay attention to context, it is important. My comment was this:
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I said 99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape mode, and to turn to portrait for the others. In a later post I offered to test specific apps for anyone that would like. This was in response to you complaining about the phone being in landscape by default.
Do you also complain about all the default portrait phones that force you to turn into landscape when you launch a game?
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99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape.
Your argument about games makes no sense - most games force landscape mode, that’s just games - most other apps don’t force landscape mode and most people aren’t playing games most of of the time on their phones, so that’s awful comeback.
Context doesn’t make your argument any more relevant. You have no idea that this % amount of apps ‘look fine’, stop pretending you know more than you do. Also why would offer to test apps? Who on earth do you think you are? Please calm your ego. You are a nobody. No one’s care about you testing anything.
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Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations.
You say most of apps works, there’s 99.9999% would work fine, have you used of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it
99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape.
Your argument about games makes no sense - most games force landscape mode, that’s just games - most other apps don’t force landscape mode and most people aren’t playing games most of of the time on their phones, so that’s awful comeback.
Context doesn’t make your argument any more relevant. You have no idea that this % amount of apps ‘look fine’, stop pretending you know more than you do. Also why would offer to test apps? Who on earth do you think you are? Please calm your ego. You are a nobody. No one’s care about you testing anything.
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@future3 got a PM
Admiral Oden said:
It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N. View attachment 5507817
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And I thank you for that as well sir!
Hey you guys, nothing this trivial is worth arguing over, we have enough garbage to deal with nowadays to not get pissed over this. I appreciate everyone's help and feedback for and against. I am just looking for everyone's honest opinion and I always get that here without question. As I have stated previously I have messed around with phones since the original Mi Mix but I am passed the stage of wanting to do that anymore, I just want my phone to work...who knows, global version maybe or late news is looking like maybe the Google Pipet might be Find N like so we will see. Ideally that would be perfect...a Google foldable in the flavor of the Find N with pure Android...yes please
Thanks again to everyone!
You have made a great choice. Great hardware, poor software with way too many irritations. I sold mine 2 days after getting it.
Good luck to those jumping off; but I've been using the Find N a week now, and very happy with it (Fold is going on sale shortly). It's just an all around better package with better trade offs (for me) than my Fold. Every phone has trade offs, and it is true there are some things that might not work yet (Android Auto) and some that are annoying (aggressive battery); but with the Fold the form factor is just not quite right (for me), and it always felt like a folded in half iPad Mini which doesn't fit comfortably in the pocket; where the outer screen is too tall and the keyboard too narrow such that the outer screen isn't very usable; and then the weight in the hand is unwieldy due to the length. I can understand if there are deal breakers for some (such as for those where Android Auto is a must have), but so far there aren't any for me.
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What do you mean with "(Fold is going on sale shortly)"?
Do you mean the Oppo find N going on sale soon?
Tahot said:
What do you mean with "(Fold is going on sale shortly)"?
Do you mean the Oppo find N going on sale soon?
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No, my Fold is going on sale because I'm keeping the Find N....
conceptgate said:
No, my Fold is going on sale because I'm keeping the Find N....
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Haha got it! enjoy it
All Samsung Fold's are even not close to this phone's build quality, if this phone came with global version than for the moment no any fold can be a competitor.