How waterproof is this phone? Can I take it to the pool without worry? What about the beach?
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Dragooon123 said:
How waterproof is this phone? Can I take it to the pool without worry? What about the beach?
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It's IP58 so let's examine that rating real quick. The 5 is the rating for the dust and the 8 is the rating for water. Dust rating goes up to 6 and water goes up to 8 (technically 9k but let's not go there). With a rating of 5, this phone is DUST PROOF. According to the ingress rating's description "Ingress of dust is not entirely prevented, but it must not enter in sufficient quantity to interfere with the satisfactory operation of the equipment; complete protection against contact (dust proof)" So that means that dust entering is not entirely prevented but dust will NOT affect the operation of the phone.
The 8 rating for water means that the phone is water resistant beyond 1m or as specified by the manufacturer. According to the ingress rating, "The equipment is suitable for continuous immersion in water under conditions which shall be specified by the manufacturer. Normally, this will mean that the equipment is hermetically sealed. It can also mean that water can enter, but only in non-harmful ways." That means that the phone can be submerged beyond 1m and still be operational. Water may still be able to enter but only in non-harmful amounts. So Sony suggested that it can be submerged for up to 1.5m and up to 30 minutes at a time.
Summary: It's pretty damn waterproof, just follow the suggestion of no more than 1.5m and no longer than 30 minutes at a time. Also, some users are reporting condensation behind the camera lens so keep in mind the temperature of the environment, the phone, and the water. All in all, it's best if you don't go swimming with the phone and think of the waterproofing as a sort of safe-guard in case the unexpected happen.
EDIT: Also, avoid salt water since you mentioned the beach. Salt water is a BIG NO-NO!
There's a thread where someone dropped it in the themes and it was still working when he called it 3 hours later, I say that it is waterproof enough even in Salt water, I'd have no issue jumping in the sea with it in my pocket tbh, afaic Sony would be obliged to replace it if it broke in any form of water
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There's a thread where someone dropped it in the themes and it was still working when he called it 3 hours later, I say that it is waterproof enough even in Salt water, I'd have no issue jumping in the sea with it in my pocket tbh, afaic Sony would be obliged to replace it if it broke in any form of water
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Pretty sure Sony won't do anything for water damage? Or am I wrong here?
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Ive seen 2 hours in a bowl of water, around 50 mins in fresh running water
Dragooon123 said:
Pretty sure Sony won't do anything for water damage? Or am I wrong here?
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It's advertised and sold as a waterproof device, how could they not replace it? I'd fight them all the way if they refused in all honesty as for it to suffer water damage (with the flaps closed of course) is a hardware failure afaic
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It's advertised and sold as a waterproof device, how could they not replace it? I'd fight them all the way if they refused in all honesty as for it to suffer water damage (with the flaps closed of course) is a hardware failure afaic
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Because it says so in the warranty manual that comes with the phone?
I'm confident that a court would say otherwise, it's certified as waterproof and it's one of its selling points . I've had things replaced plenty of times due to them not standing up to their own selling points
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I'm confident that a court would say otherwise, it's certified as waterproof and it's one of its selling points . I've had things replaced plenty of times due to them not standing up to their own selling points
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You'd need to prove them that your flaps weren't open and that you haven;t used the phone in water for too long. This might be hard to prove.
Would be just as hard for them also which is why as a consumer we would most likely win
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Would be just as hard for them also which is why as a consumer we would most likely win
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Depends on the court
Good luck in an Indian court. I'd rather buy a new phone
EDIT: It just occured to me that you might not necessarily be Indian so I'm sorry if this doesn't apply to you.
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I'm in the UK, our courts aren't as bad lol, most of the time anyway
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I'm confident that a court would say otherwise, it's certified as waterproof and it's one of its selling points . I've had things replaced plenty of times due to them not standing up to their own selling points
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Well, it's certified as waterproof in water conditions "specified by the manufacturer." The ingress rating and Sony's warning is everywhere. If your phone gets damaged because you went beyond 1.5m or you had it under water for over 30 minutes then Sony could easily win this case.
Like I said in my post, it's best if this waterproofing is kept as a safe-guard.
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Pretty sure Sony won't do anything for water damage? Or am I wrong here?
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Yeah the warranty is still void I believe if water damage is detected. There is very little the user could do to prove they followed the rules (such as leaving a flap open) and this gives Sony a lot of wiggle room to refuse to replace the device. That's why I haven't submerged mine yet, still too nervous.
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I tried mine in salt water around 45 minutes and no problem at all then i went to the sand, by curiosity i open up the flaps to see whether there is trace of water and it was dry. Then i close it down and took it again for a swim around 10 minutes but unfortunately when i tried to take a picture in the water the screen started to react weird ( dimming and on / off ) so then i move out of water and open up the flaps and i cried when i saw liltle particle of sand in the border of the flaps so i won't recommend opening it then go again in the water and the phone is damage now and sent it for another one ( had to add 100 $ )
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Well I gave it a try and submerged my Z2 in some water in my sink. Made extra sure the flaps were all closed before. Works great after... No damage.
I filmed it for you all to see. Lol.
http://youtu.be/giztciRubqk
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I tested my phone thoroughly for two days or so when I reached the water test. Put it in a pitcher of water and it all went pear shaped. Bubbles poured out of the bottom edge of the screen and within minutes the phone was dead. First time around, I didn't film the test as I was counting on it passing (as my Z1 compact did). Dried it out in rice for a few days, still wouldn't start so I redid the test on film and proved that there was a verifiable leak in the frame. Sent it in to Sony's local repair shop requesting a vacuum test and with a link to the video and received a replacement unit in less than a week. Redid all my tests on the replacement, passed with flying colors. Just returned from a day at the water park with the kids and the phone is still going strong.
In terms of salt water, I've read the salt can collect in and around the frame and either cause corrosion or degrade the seals. Some have advised washing it in tap water after salt water exposure. Still, be aware that whereas you have some protection in the IP58 cert if you get water damage and can prove the flaps were closed and the water was not salt water, but if you use the phone beyond the rating (either deeper water, longer exposure or salt water), you can't claim that Sony said the phone should withstand that treatment.
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I tested my phone thoroughly for two days or so when I reached the water test. Put it in a pitcher of water and it all went pear shaped. Bubbles poured out of the bottom edge of the screen and within minutes the phone was dead. First time around, I didn't film the test as I was counting on it passing (as my Z1 compact did). Dried it out in rice for a few days, still wouldn't start so I redid the test on film and proved that there was a verifiable leak in the frame. Sent it in to Sony's local repair shop requesting a vacuum test and with a link to the video and received a replacement unit in less than a week. Redid all my tests on the replacement, passed with flying colors. Just returned from a day at the water park with the kids and the phone is still going strong.
In terms of salt water, I've read the salt can collect in and around the frame and either cause corrosion or degrade the seals. Some have advised washing it in tap water after salt water exposure. Still, be aware that whereas you have some protection in the IP58 cert if you get water damage and can prove the flaps were closed and the water was not salt water, but if you use the phone beyond the rating (either deeper water, longer exposure or salt water), you can't claim that Sony said the phone should withstand that treatment.
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Crap, spoke too soon. Only just realized that my camera lens has fogged over. Grrr. Guess I'll have to rerun the test. This time around though, the phone still works, but there's not much point in buying a "waterproof" phone that you plan on using as an underwater camera if you have to dry the thing out after every dip in the pool. Ridiculous. Been subjecting my Z1 Compact to the same treatment for months and have never had an issue, so there must be something about the Z2 that means that a number of these units aren't holding up to the IP58 certification.
Hopefully Sony will be as good with this unit as with the last. Otherwise I may have to wait and see what the S5 Active has to offer. Only thing with Samsung phones is the lack of a lanyard eyelet which is a must have in the pool.
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I tested my phone thoroughly for two days or so when I reached the water test. Put it in a pitcher of water and it all went pear shaped. Bubbles poured out of the bottom edge of the screen and within minutes the phone was dead. First time around, I didn't film the test as I was counting on it passing (as my Z1 compact did). Dried it out in rice for a few days, still wouldn't start so I redid the test on film and proved that there was a verifiable leak in the frame. Sent it in to Sony's local repair shop requesting a vacuum test and with a link to the video and received a replacement unit in less than a week. Redid all my tests on the replacement, passed with flying colors. Just returned from a day at the water park with the kids and the phone is still going strong.
In terms of salt water, I've read the salt can collect in and around the frame and either cause corrosion or degrade the seals. Some have advised washing it in tap water after salt water exposure. Still, be aware that whereas you have some protection in the IP58 cert if you get water damage and can prove the flaps were closed and the water was not salt water, but if you use the phone beyond the rating (either deeper water, longer exposure or salt water), you can't claim that Sony said the phone should withstand that treatment.
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Crap, spoke too soon. Only just realized that my camera lens has fogged over. Grrr. Guess I'll have to rerun the test. This time around though, the phone still works, but there's not much point in buying a "waterproof" phone that you plan on using as an underwater camera if you have to dry the thing out after every dip in the pool. Ridiculous. Been subjecting my Z1 Compact to the same treatment for months and have never had an issue, so there must be something about the Z2 that means that a number of these units aren't holding up to the IP58 certification.
Hopefully Sony will be as good with this unit as with the last. Otherwise I may have to wait and see what the S5 Active has to offer. Only thing with Samsung phones is the lack of a lanyard eyelet which is a must have in the pool.
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Yeah put mine in the water today and noticed the camera got all foggy. Contacted Sony and they told me to contact my provider. I did that and they tell me to contact Sony. No help so far. Going to try and call again tomorrow. Not happy with the phone so far.
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Dragooon123 said:
How waterproof is this phone? Can I take it to the pool without worry? What about the beach?
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People constantly amaze me.
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Well i recieved my z2 yesterday and immediately and possibly stupidly wanted to test the waterproof aspect of it, i dunked it in a bowl of cold water for no more than 30 seconds however i more have moisture in my camera lens. I've let it try and dry out even left it in rice all last night with the flaps open and the moisture is still there, thing is the flaps were sealed properly so i have no idea why this has happened. Just hoping i haven't knacked the phone on the first day if having it, any ideas on how to fix it? Thanks
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Well i recieved my z2 yesterday and immediately and possibly stupidly wanted to test the waterproof aspect of it, i dunked it in a bowl of cold water for no more than 30 seconds however i more have moisture in my camera lens. I've let it try and dry out even left it in rice all last night with the flaps open and the moisture is still there, thing is the flaps were sealed properly so i have no idea why this has happened. Just hoping i haven't knacked the phone on the first day if having it, any ideas on how to fix it? Thanks
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Exactly same thing happened to me, except my phone is now dead too. Going back to the vendor with it today. Hopefully they'll be cool about it, but I'm expecting an argument although this should be covered by DOA rules in the first seven days.
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Exactly same thing happened to me, except my phone is now dead too. Going back to the vendor with it today. Hopefully they'll be cool about it, but I'm expecting an argument although this should be covered by DOA rules in the first seven days.
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Im tempted to take mine to a shop and see what they say good i love the phone but atm the camera is no use :/ should they take it back?
chucklz_smiley said:
Im tempted to take mine to a shop and see what they say good i love the phone but atm the camera is no use :/ should they take it back?
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Bought mine from a local online vendor that also has brick-and-mortar shops and wanted to check their info online first. They say water exposure voids the warranty of all their products, but refer to the manufacturer's warranty info. But I have no such info in my box, but instructions say that if water is found inside the casing it voids the warranty. Therein lies the rub - if your waterproofing doesn't work, you're gonna get water inside the thing.
Anyway, waiting to hear back from Sony. Another potential issue I have is that under my Imei info on their support site my warranty went out in July 2013 - before the phone was even made or launched. Hoping Sony will be reasonable with this. I decided not to involve the vendor, but I might have to try.
"cold water" - Explains it all.
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"cold water" - Explains it all.
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How does that explain anything?????? would it be better in boiling water???? If you can find me something from sony that says the waterproofing only works in water within a certain temparature range, then i will accept that cold water explains it all....... as it is the temp of the water explains sod all!!!!!!
On a lighter note, im kinda glad my mates been away all week so haven't been able to dunk it in his fishtank....... not sure that i want to now lol
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How does that explain anything?????? would it be better in boiling water???? If you can find me something from sony that says the waterproofing only works in water within a certain temparature range, then i will accept that cold water explains it all....... as it is the temp of the water explains sod all!!!!!!
On a lighter note, im kinda glad my mates been away all week so haven't been able to dunk it in his fishtank....... not sure that i want to now lol
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporation
Tested under Fresh water :
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp...hy_waterproof_a_smartphone_printres-01-01.jpg
KyleSforza said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporation
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What are you on about???
Water can be fresh and cold.
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What are you on about???
Water can be fresh and cold.
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1st, evaporation can cause cold/hot water to enter through the glass, as we know it forms droplets on the glass.
Well, explain that to Sony not me.
I think some Rice, or placing it in a warm area should fix it.
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1st, evaporation can cause cold/hot water to enter through the glass, as we know it forms droplets on the glass.
Well, explain that to Sony not me.
I think some Rice, or placing it in a warm area should fix it.
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You're not making much sense I'm afraid.
KyleSforza said:
1st, evaporation can cause cold/hot water to enter through the glass, as we know it forms droplets on the glass.
Well, explain that to Sony not me.
I think some Rice, or placing it in a warm area should fix it.
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Ehm I'm not a good at science, but when you get water outside of your glass of cold water is because of the moist in the air is cooled down from gas to liquid form.
Sorry for bad explaining, I am not good with the english terminology.
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Ehm I'm not a good at science, but when you get water outside of your glass of cold water is because of the moist in the air is cooled down from gas to liquid form.
Sorry for bad explaining, I am not good with the english terminology.
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You are correct. Water droplets formed outside of a chilled glass is caused by condensation which is when gas is changed to liquid. Condensation formed on lens is usually caused by a drastic change in temperature long enough to cause condensation.
On topic, when dealing with camera lens for DSLRs, you want to allow your gear to adjust to the temperature when going from a really cold environment to a warm environment or vice versa. One way I know if allowing your gear to adjust is to place them in pouches or bags and bring it into the other environment to let it adjust then take them out.
In this case, the phone going from a warm environment (the room) to a cold environment (the water) may have caused condensation to build up. I've gotten condensation build up before in my old iphone 3gs. I THINK I got rid of it by using a blow dryer to blow on the lens and I just let the phone sit for awhile. Eventually the condensation went away.
I filmed the water test of my phone - when it failed miserably with bubbles rushing out of the bottom of the screen as water rushed in - after some hassles with Sony's repair request system, I finally got the local Sony reps to call the repair shop and send a shipping label. Sent in the phone with a note referring to the video and had a replacement phone before the end of the week. At the end of the day, I'm very pleased with Sony's handling of the matter.
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I filmed the water test of my phone - when it failed miserably with bubbles rushing out of the bottom of the screen as water rushed in - after some hassles with Sony's repair request system, I finally got the local Sony reps to call the repair shop and send a shipping label. Sent in the phone with a note referring to the video and had a replacement phone before the end of the week. At the end of the day, I'm very pleased with Sony's handling of the matter.
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Update to my case, unfortunately the replacement unit suddenly has moisture in the lens after a visit to the pool. This track record is getting me down now. Two phones rated at IP58 and both get water on the inside.
My friend just returned from a vacation to Greece where he took his Z1. He wanted to shoot videos in the pool at the hotel. This is the result:
Unfortunately he got moisture inside the camera and flash.
Fortunately he was able to blow warm air inside with a hair dryer and get rid of the moisture.
Unfortunately his screen started to malfunction 2 days later (he doesn't know if it's related to moisture or not)
Fortunately he still has warranty
Unfortunately the warranty is not with Sony but with a mobile carrier
raducanmihai said:
My friend just returned from a vacation to Greece where he took his Z1. He wanted to shoot videos in the pool at the hotel. This is the result:
Unfortunately he got moisture inside the camera and flash.
Fortunately he was able to blow warm air inside with a hair dryer and get rid of the moisture.
Unfortunately his screen started to malfunction 2 days later (he doesn't know if it's related to moisture or not)
Fortunately he still has warranty
Unfortunately the warranty is not with Sony but with a mobile carrier
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don't use hair dryer or what ever , it will burn out circuit. Switch off the device and take a little tupperware play dry rice ( uncook in it ) , open up your flaps ( remove memory card/ sim ) and dig a hold in the rice then play the device in then cover rice over it then cover it and place it in some dry warm place for 24 - 48 hours it should go away try it and let me now this happens for my z1 and idid this
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don't use hair dryer or what ever , it will burn out circuit. Switch off the device and take a little tupperware play dry rice ( uncook in it ) , open up your flaps ( remove memory card/ sim ) and dig a hold in the rice then play the device in then cover rice over it then cover it and place it in some dry warm place for 24 - 48 hours it should go away try it and let me now this happens for my z1 and idid this
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Agree with this method of getting rid of moisture in the camera. Only problem is that a phone that is supposed to be IP58 shouldn't get water in it so you have to dry it out every time it gets wet. I'm going to try and return my phone again and get another replacement.
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Agree with this method of getting rid of moisture in the camera. Only problem is that a phone that is supposed to be IP58 shouldn't get water in it so you have to dry it out every time it gets wet. I'm going to try and return my phone again and get another replacement.
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of course my friend this is defective device and do keep pictures of the defects as a proof and return it
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don't use hair dryer or what ever , it will burn out circuit. Switch off the device and take a little tupperware play dry rice ( uncook in it ) , open up your flaps ( remove memory card/ sim ) and dig a hold in the rice then play the device in then cover rice over it then cover it and place it in some dry warm place for 24 - 48 hours it should go away try it and let me now this happens for my z1 and idid this
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As I said, it's my friend's phone (Z1), not mine. I have a Z2. He took it to warranty and he didn't mention anything about moisture in the camera or hair dryer.
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of course my friend this is defective device and do keep pictures of the defects as a proof and return it
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I agree with your assessment as the device being defective. I know that the hatches were closed and that coupled with the IP58 leads to the conclusion that it's defective if water got in some how. But here's the rub - although the onus should be on the vendor to bear the burden of proof, manufacturers of these devices have covered their backsides by not adjusting their warranty terms to allow coverage of water damage even though they market the devices as waterproof and water resistant. How can they do that? Well they design in an "out" for themselves by putting hatches on the things. Suddenly, they shift the burden of proof to us consumers.
My first device sucked in water like a sponge. Proving this on film was an easy match as you could see bubbles pouring out of it as water poured in.
My second device showed no problems in the same test over about 5 mins in a pitcher of water. Then after a day at the waterpark, the lens fogged over. I dried it our in rice and redid the water pitcher test - nothing. I even left it in the water for a good 15 hours and it kept working and showed no fog on the lens. Then, hours later as I began using it again and a temperature differential arose between the air in the phone and the temp outside, it fogged over, proving that a drop or two of water got in some how.
So now I'm in a bind. The phone keeps working through all the tests I put it through and water invasion is so slight that it only shows up in use after taking it out of water and comes and goes. Still, as soon as I take it to the pool or lake, I won't be able to rely on the camera working right. Catch-22.
So I took my Z ultra for a swim in the pool and took some pretty nice photos with Aqua Camera Light (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=am.tir.z.proximitycamera) and took some nice Video as well
Anyways, after I finished I left the phone in the Sun to dry (30 Degree Celcius) and I kept on swimming when I came back I found the phone was still making random touches like the screen was still wet, but of course it was dry as a desert!
I checked the white water mark under the flaps and it was still white, supposed to turn pink if water damage had occurred.
When I got home and took a closer look at the phone it seems there is moisture on the entire right side of the screen either under the screen protector I had applied on the screen (not the factory one, another one I fitted on top of that) or dare I say it, under the screen it's self :crying::crying:
What I have now done is switched the phone off, put it in a bowl of rice (to suck out the moisture) and left outside in the sun.
Any ideas why this happened or what I can do to fix it?
Why this happened? You said it yourself. You've fitted a 3rd party screen protector on top of the original one, and there's no way the one you put on is as tightly fitted as the original, thus letting water in between the two protectors, and then you'll experience this behavior. I think. Pure speculation from me, but it's logical.
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The reason I installed this 3rd party screen protector is to use a Pen as a stylus, scratches the hell out of the screen, so I thought I'd install that to protect the screen
The thing that worries me is, if the screen is off and it's all black and I look at the screen from different angels i can't see any moisture, when I turn screen on and I look at the screen you can clearly see the moisture! Does this mean it's under the screen it's self ?
So I took the screenprotector off and it is as I feared, the water is under the screen not the protector!
I'm very disappointed from Sony, how can this happen!
Anyways, put the phone back into the bowl of rice and out into the sun
So I took the screenprotector off and it is as I feared, the water is under the screen not the protector!
I'm very disappointed from Sony, how can this happen!
Anyways, put the phone back into the bowl of rice and out into the sun
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So I took the screenprotector off and it is as I feared, the water is under the screen not the protector!
I'm very disappointed from Sony, how can this happen!
Anyways, put the phone back into the bowl of rice and out into the sun
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You should put phone and rice in a sealed plastic bag so rice can draw moisture out.
and open the flaps if you havn't alrady
Check your screen if it is glue tight to the phone,make sure your USB cap and micro SD cap rubber ring still good,some are loose and water get in easily.
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vivalamoza said:
So I took the screenprotector off and it is as I feared, the water is under the screen not the protector!
I'm very disappointed from Sony, how can this happen!
Anyways, put the phone back into the bowl of rice and out into the sun
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Ouch! That gotta hurt. You would think that a "waterproof" gadget would indeed be waterproof. I don't think any OEM should sell and market a product as waterproof when it's not always the case. The fact that the warranty doesn't cover water damage on a waterproof product, says it all doesn't it? Sony knows that they can't guarantee waterproofness, so they refuse to cover it. (this includes all OEMs and not just Sony)
- SONY: "Go ahead and jump!"
- YOU: "But.. but will the parachute open?"
- SONY: "Yes, it's totally cool"
- YOU: "Alright, but you're covering the hospital bills if it fails"
- SONY: "Ehm.. no."
Not that comforting is it?
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So the phone is till in the bowl of rice out in the sun for the second day now, but yesterday somehow I found the phone had turned on (maybe due to an alarm or something) I switched it off and put it back, will check it when I get home today, hope the Vapour goes away.
I think what may have caused the vapour under the screen was me trying to dry off the phone in the sun when the heat was 30 degrees celcius, maybe the water evaporated due to the heat and went under the screen!
I'll let you know what happened when I get home.
I personally took mine into the pool last Friday, here in Italy (in Verona, Veneto precisely): there were 34 Celsius degrees.
Water was cool, I stayed in for like 20 minutes, took many pics with touch block+volume button as shutter, videos as well.
As I went out the phone was dry as before entering, I don't know why would you dry a phone that's all metal and glass, water slips off it the moment you take it out the water. It's not like it's a sponge or a piece of cloth or anything.
The time "drying" in the sun was definitely the culprit here. And why you left it in the sun and with the screen ON? To make it even hotter??
And hey, with 34 degrees, in and out of the water and 20 minutes of continuous photos and videos made the phone hot as a furnace, so, again, it definitely DID NOT need drying.
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So here's the update:
So I took the phone out of the rice after 3 days and 90% of the vapor under the screen is gone, just a small spot in the bottom right hand corner left
BUT
after charging the phone and using it for a couple of minutes, the screen started shaking, not flickering, shaking, so everything displayed on the screen is shaking up and down!
Any ideas what can be causing this ?!
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So here's the update:
So I took the phone out of the rice after 3 days and 90% of the vapor under the screen is gone, just a small spot in the bottom right hand corner left
BUT
after charging the phone and using it for a couple of minutes, the screen started shaking, not flickering, shaking, so everything displayed on the screen is shaking up and down!
Any ideas what can be causing this ?!
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I'm guessing that water damage would cause that [emoji12] Is the moisture indicator white or red? (the one under the right flap)
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I'm guessing that water damage would cause that [emoji12] Is the moisture indicator white or red? (the one under the right flap)
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It's white
vivalamoza said:
It's white
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Hmm... Then it would probably be best if you send it in for repairs after you've removed all of the moisture under the screen. It hasn't triggered the indicator, meaning your warranty is still valid. Your screen is obviously not functioning well, so I would grab the chance and get the screen swapped. Try getting the defect on film or something and also be sure to get the white indicator on film, so you'll have proof that it isn't water damaged.
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That's what I'm gonna do, problem is I bought this from Google play store in the USA and currently I'm in Egypt and Google doesn't sell devices here so I can't repair it in warranty
I'm gonna take it to the local Sony dealership to be fixed and I'll have to pay for it myself since they don't guarantee Google play edition devices
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That's what I'm gonna do, problem is I bought this from Google play store in the USA and currently I'm in Egypt and Google doesn't sell devices here so I can't repair it in warranty
I'm gonna take it to the local Sony dealership to be fixed and I'll have to pay for it myself since they don't guarantee Google play edition devices
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Ouch! Well in that case you're right. You'll have to pay, so let's hope it won't be a ridiculous amount (but we all know it will be).
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350 $ !!!! They told me the screen needs to be changed and that will cost 350$ !
I will take it to be repaired somewhere else !
vivalamoza said:
350 $ !!!! They told me the screen needs to be changed and that will cost 350$ !
I will take it to be repaired somewhere else !
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Yeah, we all saw that one coming, haha. It's a 6.44 inch 1080p panel after all, and that ain't cheap. You can of course buy the panel and do the work yourself, but I don't recommend that if you've never done it before.
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vivalamoza said:
350 $ !!!! They told me the screen needs to be changed and that will cost 350$ !
I will take it to be repaired somewhere else !
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You might as well buy a new one and sell that one for parts.
On Tuesday, I partially immersed my Xperia Z2 in water and somehow water got in [I am positive the flaps were sealed tightly (As a matter of fact, I didn't even submerge that part.)] I immediately turned the phone off and shook some water out of it and placed it in the sun. A few hours later, I turned on the device to find water in the display. I again turned it off and placed it in a box of rice and silica gel.
So today is the second day after the disaster. The phone seems to be functioning properly and I GUESS some of the water dried out.
SO this is what the display looks like as of now. (I attached an image)
Now, I don't know if this is just water (I believe that's what it is) or if the display is just damaged and I need to get it replaced?
I would really appreciate any kind of help
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On Tuesday, I partially immersed my Xperia Z2 in water and somehow water got in [I am positive the flaps were sealed tightly (As a matter of fact, I didn't even submerge that part.)] I immediately turned the phone off and shook some water out of it and placed it in the sun. A few hours later, I turned on the device to find water in the display. I again turned it off and placed it in a box of rice and silica gel.
So today is the second day after the disaster. The phone seems to be functioning properly and I GUESS some of the water dried out.
SO this is what the display looks like as of now. (I attached an image)
Now, I don't know if this is just water (I believe that's what it is) or if the display is just damaged and I need to get it replaced?
I would really appreciate any kind of help
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i have the same i take it to reparation, he do his best to get water out of panel but still there is some point shown in white color
generally its not disturb me :good:
jakobdz said:
i have the same i take it to reparation, he do his best to get water out of panel but still there is some point shown in white color
generally its not disturb me :good:
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Can you please attatch a picture (or maybe email it to me at [email protected]) just so I can see what the display looks like..
Did you like try to do anything on your own with the phone to dry the water out or something?
Also, how long was your phone wet before you took it to the technician?
-Thank you
tendollarswag said:
Can you please attatch a picture (or maybe email it to me at [email protected]) just so I can see what the display looks like..
Did you like try to do anything on your own with the phone to dry the water out or something?
Also, how long was your phone wet before you took it to the technician?
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look to pics and try to zoom theme to the area where i design circle.
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yes i let it one night in pocket of rice in the next day it take it to technician, about 4 hours he call me, he said that he do their best to get water out panel but still there this little white Bubbles, just appear in light colors
jakobdz said:
look to pics and try to zoom theme to the area where i design circle.
yes i let it one night in pocket of rice in the next day it take it to technician, about 4 hours he call me, he said that he do their best to get water out panel but still there this little white Bubbles, just appear in light colors
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Wow, that is such minor damage!
Thank you for sharing the pics
I thought the Z2 is water proof. Isn't it ?
kalda01 said:
I thought the Z2 is water proof. Isn't it ?
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Some Z2s have a slightly open area between their frame and the screen. It's a manufacturing defect.
Does this defect exist even in recently manufactured units? I mean once Sony became aware of the defect they didn't bother correcting the manufacturing flaw ?
Every-time I submerge my Z2 underwater.. more or less 10cm- 20cm there is some condensation buildup on the cameras and flash. All flaps are closed, is this normal??
Here's mine after some water splash, I didn't even submerge the phone.
I tried to make the water dissappear by playing some games so the device gets hot, then I put it on the magnetic charger and the next morning the water was gone.
Warranty should cover it but I just didn't want to be without the phone for 3 weeks
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Does this defect exist even in recently manufactured units? I mean once Sony became aware of the defect they didn't bother correcting the manufacturing flaw ?
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I'm not sure but I got mine a couple of days ago
slangza said:
Every-time I submerge my Z2 underwater.. more or less 10cm- 20cm there is some condensation buildup on the cameras and flash. All flaps are closed, is this normal??
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That's not a good sign, it means water got into the phone, I wouldn't submerge it ever again if I was you
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slangza said:
Every-time I submerge my Z2 underwater.. more or less 10cm- 20cm there is some condensation buildup on the cameras and flash. All flaps are closed, is this normal??
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Nope, that shouldn't happen to a water-proof phone at all.
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That's not a good sign, it means water got into the phone, I wouldn't submerge it ever again if I was you
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Pretty bad waterproofing then! I also have a bit of moisture on the screen.
Will be leaving the phone overnight in rice, hoping it helps!
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Here's mine after some water splash, I didn't even submerge the phone.
I tried to make the water dissappear by playing some games so the device gets hot, then I put it on the magnetic charger and the next morning the water was gone.
Warranty should cover it but I just didn't want to be without the phone for 3 weeks
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Much easier way: place the phone in an air-tight container filled with rich (or even silica gel). Works like a charm!
Is this phone waterproof,?
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Is this phone waterproof,?
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Nah, nope.
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Officially no, but there are many videos that show it actually is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7LhtOBTzW8 that's just one example of many.
My phone dropped into a pool and i get it back after 30s. Phone is fully function with no damage!
phyowaidd said:
My phone dropped into a pool and i get it back after 30s. Phone is fully function with no damage!
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But it doesn't mean the phone is waterproof.
You had a great luck back there. :laugh:
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My phone dropped into a pool and i get it back after 30s. Phone is fully function with no damage!
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Water did't get enough time to get in, you were just lucky.
Pure water won't damage electric devices, it's salt and minerals dissolved in the water that damages electric devices by causing electric short circuits, and it might also lead to corrosion of the logic board circuits..
So water proof devices are phones that has sealed circuits so that impure (salty) water can't reach the circuits and can't cause them damage..
The redmi note 4 isn't a water proof phone, so if you put it into some slightly salty water like tap water in some countries it will die, but if you put it into pure water, nothing will happen to it, just like any other phone would survive pure water. Only water proof phones can survive impure (salty) water.
This video has probably been made by using pure water..
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I recently installed a screen protector that requires dipping in soapy water before applying and that I did.
This device is supposedly IP68 but after I applied the screen protector the phone went crazy!! screen turned off, no touch... after a couple hours screen back on but phone is buggy when it boots, laggy boot logo and touch after 1 full day still isnt responding!! Not to mention I hear camera noise (the one you hear when launching camera app) every time I boot the phone as if its launching camera as well?? WTH is this?? anybody got any suggestions? I placed the phone in a rice bowl and waiting for more hours or days to try it again but anybody faced similar issues? is my device broken because of this??? isnt it supposed to be water proof?!
I wash my phone regularly and don't have any issues. But I don't dip it into soap water, just wash it under stream and soap it outside of water (I also did this with not protected phone without any issue, just need to avoid the external ports).
IP rating is about clean water. Dipping it into soap water can mess the protection since the surface tension is not the same, so where water can't enter a hole of a certain size (for example the speakers grid), soap water could. And since soap are particules into water they can be conductive (water is not that conductive if pure) and mess with electronic if powered.
That is about the theory. Now Sony only make IP68 rated phones because their main market is japan, where people love to use their phone in their bath and that is a real selling point there. So it's weird your got broken by a small amount of soap. Did you try to remove the screen protector? Maybe it is messing with the touch part of the screen.
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I wash my phone regularly and don't have any issues. But I don't dip it into soap water, just wash it under stream and soap it outside of water (I also did this with not protected phone without any issue, just need to avoid the external ports).
IP rating is about clean water. Dipping it into soap water can mess the protection since the surface tension is not the same, so where water can't enter a hole of a certain size (for example the speakers grid), soap water could. And since soap are particules into water they can be conductive (water is not that conductive if pure) and mess with electronic if powered.
That is about the theory. Now Sony only make IP68 rated phones because their main market is japan, where people love to use their phone in their bath and that is a real selling point there. So it's weird your got broken by a small amount of soap. Did you try to remove the screen protector? Maybe it is messing with the touch part of the screen.
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Baths are generally taken with water only. You shower before getting in the tub so I think you're right about the soap changing the water tension.
3 days ago (8 sept) my Xperia 1 died. I used to wash it regularly in the shower (and a little soap), then that day, a couple of hours after shower, simply turned off. No lights, no charging indicator, no screen, nada. This is really a sad week for me... And sad to say im moving to Samsung
I only could think in blaming the shower.. And if you ask why i washed regularly my phone, is that i work at a hospital er.
wasn't first time i washed it with little soap, practically did it every day, for 5 months. And it's weird my phone suddenly died hours after the shower.
Weird, same problem practically same day. Planned obsolescence??
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I wash my phone regularly and don't have any issues. But I don't dip it into soap water, just wash it under stream and soap it outside of water (I also did this with not protected phone without any issue, just need to avoid the external ports).
IP rating is about clean water. Dipping it into soap water can mess the protection since the surface tension is not the same, so where water can't enter a hole of a certain size (for example the speakers grid), soap water could. And since soap are particules into water they can be conductive (water is not that conductive if pure) and mess with electronic if powered.
That is about the theory. Now Sony only make IP68 rated phones because their main market is japan, where people love to use their phone in their bath and that is a real selling point there. So it's weird your got broken by a small amount of soap. Did you try to remove the screen protector? Maybe it is messing with the touch part of the screen.
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but its not like I dipped it... the screen protector was dipped and then placed on my device, it wasnt soaking it just left water marks that had to be removed using a tool to stick the protector Id understand if it was dipped in soapy water it could break it but it was just a few drops and it hurts to see the phone got broken...
I dont know this is bad I used to do this on my XZ premium and it worked flawlessly immediately I mean if a phone is water proof and your theory applies on waterproof phones, that means a pool water could break it cuz its full of chlorine or sea water can break it due to salt and other elements...
but I spoke to a lab in my country and they ordered an original screen from Sony officially, but its gonna cost me around 300$...
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but its not like I dipped it... the screen protector was dipped and then placed on my device, it wasnt soaking it just left water marks that had to be removed using a tool to stick the protector Id understand if it was dipped in soapy water it could break it but it was just a few drops and it hurts to see the phone got broken...
I dont know this is bad I used to do this on my XZ premium and it worked flawlessly immediately I mean if a phone is water proof and your theory applies on waterproof phones, that means a pool water could break it cuz its full of chlorine or sea water can break it due to salt and other elements...
but I spoke to a lab in my country and they ordered an original screen from Sony officially, but its gonna cost me around 300$...
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My bad, I understood you dipped the phone, I found that weird but who am I to judge? xD
There is no way some water on the screen that is just glass, or even into the speaker cut could break your phone, even non IP phone will not have problems with that.
Did you try to remove the screen protector? It would be the first thing to do, since it's the only new thing that could mess with the touch screen. And a bad screen protector could easily do that.
If you have already removed the screen protector and the phone is still bugged, then I really don't know what happen. I would try to use the warranty and ask a repair from Sony. In Europe there is a 2 year manufacturer warranty, so any Xperia 1 should still be able to use it. Dunno where you are from and what are the conditions there.
And yes, often it's written in the user manual that waterproofing is just against accidental immersion, and are not meant to go into a pool, and especially not into sea water (salt is the worst thing you will commonly find for electronic and generally any metal that can oxidize).
There were case of advertising showing phone taking photo under sea water, but with warranty void if done, written in the user manual...