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http://phandroid.com/2010/10/05/skype-for-android-now-available-worldwide/
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that's right, is doesn't work on the Vibrant.
guess what it does not work on vibrant 2.1
amorek13 said:
guess what it does not work on vibrant 2.1
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It appears that it doesn't work on any galaxy s phone..
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It's a POS app
no Video calling
no group calling
They waited this long to release this Garbage?
Fring was doing an excellent job, until Skype shut them down.
UGH SKYPE is a POS company
Galaxy S owners get the shaft ... yet again! Maybe we should just recognize the fact that AT&T/iPhone 4 is the best game in town and quit trying to play catch up.
There is a GPS fix that allows it to work excellent. Get over it.
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Well, at least we all now know a little more about the two of you. I don't blame you entirely for your disgraceful behavior. Surely your upbringing had a lot to do with it.
I don't see how what I said was inflammatory but perhaps it was misperceived. Allow me to explain: I paid $500 for this device. I honestly don't even need the phone aspect of it. I just need it to access the internet (email, web, etc), then as a media player, and then occasionally as a GPS device. The calling capabilities are literally icing on the cake. Let's just skip the whole GPS part since that needs no introduction. It simply doesn't work (unless you consider your location jumping around every 10 seconds "working" ... yeah, what fun it is to be hearing erroneous directions from your GPS device). T-mobile's voice and data services have been quite paltry in my experience. Calls drop quite often and that's something many Tmo subscribers complain about, especially near downtown and on a NexusOne. Moreover, data takes FOREVER to connect. I could be getting 4mbps/2mbps one second, then 750k/300k the next, then incessant data connection attempts with no data being transmitted ... until I reboot my phone. WTF??? A month ago I was driving from Dallas to San Antonio and got nothing but Edge the whole way down ... all along an interstate highway (albeit one of the worst I've ever seen) ... the phone was even occasionally switching to "G" and it took me forever to remember what that stood for ... GPRS!!! I haven't seen that since the 90s.
If you guys think it is acceptable to get ripped off like that, for hardware and services, by all means continue condoning and promoting Tmo and Sammy's failures and inaction by rewarding them for all that. These phones went on sale 7/15, around the same time Tmo announced their HSPA+ network. Three months later, you expect at least "an" action. No credits, no buy-backs, no remedies ... only failed promises. If you bought a car that couldn't perform as advertised and spec'd, I'm sure you would act differently.
But ... judging from your comments above, you guys are entirely worthy of your fate.
Best,
DCC
P.S. I dislike Apple fanboys just as much as the next guy but at some point we all need to man up to the facts ... the iPhone has the best user experience ... and Windows Phone 7 offers the best development experience (trust me, I have written/am writing apps for all three). The only thing positive about Android in my opinion is the tight integration of all the Google apps and services ... which oddly are not favored by many Android fans on this site ... in addition, they are increasingly being integrated in the other platforms as well (albeit not fast enough). Again, why Android? If it's because you want to be this decade's equivalent of the 90s' Linux geek who spends all day customizing the OS and the environment instead of actually using it and putting to good use, then have fun! Don't feel bad ... most people do not learn from history's lessons either!
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Believe me I hear you, but you make your case weak. Individual experience differs from Joe to Jane.
The biggest advantage of Android over the other's is the hardware support for every major mobile manufacturer.
And Windows Mobile 7? We will see how the numbers look by the Xmas.
Yes, I am a linux geek, but I didn't purchase my phone because I am one.
As for the OP, Skype went downhill once they went to bed with the big red.
So why do you have a tmo vibrant? Why not get an i*hone? There are pros and cons to any device and any carrier...
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Believe me I hear you, but you make your case weak. Individual experience differs from Joe to Jane.
The biggest advantage of Android over the other's is the hardware support for every major mobile manufacturer.
And Windows Mobile 7? We will see how the numbers look by the Xmas.
Yes, I am a linux geek, but I didn't purchase my phone because I am one.
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I really wanted Android to succeed but it hasn't and I'm not necessarily blaming Android itself. I just don't see how I can choose it when the hardware and carrier are dropping the ball. All three (OS, hardware, carrier) are part and parcel. "Hardware support" is not enough when the hardware itself is not cutting it. First the Hero had build quality and connectivity issues, now the Vibrant has an elusive Froyo build and major GPS issues (in response to a previous post, I have yet to see a truly working "fix" and I have installed most if not all of them ... whoever claims it's now perfectly working is smoking something he/she should share with the rest of us).
Thank you for keeping an open mind and I do agree with you that individual experiences will vary but let's agree that this forum is proof that there are major unaddressed problems with this phone.
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So why do you have a tmo vibrant? Why not get an i*hone? There are pros and cons to any device and any carrier...
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Thank you for applying intelligence and not resorting to childish name-calling ... simply put, I left AT&T after a decade of being their customer because my non-iPhone superphones (usually purchased from abroad but compatible with US 3G) were being intentionally disregarded by their network in favor of the iPhone devices out there ... $110 a month for a discriminating data service is not acceptable. iPhones are also a little "too user-friendly" for me. I preferred a more open platform. At this point though, I will settle for a device that "just works". That is what every iPhone user will tell you out there ... the s*** just works. A phone is something that should enable you to do things with it, whether it's productivity, app development, multimedia, services, etc. A phone is not a perpetual hack factory, at least not as a primary device. If people want a side project to play with, great. What I have seen on this forum though is that most people need a phone that works for them, not the other way around.
I am waiting for the first generation WP7 phones to roll out and see what drama will ensue, if any. As you very astutely stated, "there are pros and cons to any device and any carrier". I really enjoy the WP7 mobile app development environment and so long as the phones are not involved in yet another fiasco, I will most likely get one. If not, the iPhone it is.
I'm not trolling and I do not mean to offend hard-core Linux super-users/developers but this business of shoddy phones, shoddy service and endless "hacking" is not right when we're all paying 50-100 a month for service and 200-500 for devices. I am surprised that people are not up in arms about it. There really needs to be a class-action lawsuit over this. I know, a handful of lawyers will just make a shipload of money. Still, companies cannot get away with this sort of negligence. This isn't the first time and it sure as heck won't be the last.
Vote with your dollars and best luck to you,
DCC
If browse over the iphone forums you will see the plethora of posts complaining about this and that on the iphone too.
There is no magic cookie cater for anything, you will always find something to be not up to your standards.
What confuses me the most is people complaining about the features that are not being the prime in the market cliché they are shopping - for instance, neither Android nor iOS are good examples of the enterprise use, but people still insist that my phone does not integrate well with my corporate Exchange environment the way I *want* hence the product sucks.
Everything has its pluses and minuses, it's up to an individual to weigh in the pros and cons to make a conscious buying decision.
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If browse over the iphone forums you will see the plethora of posts complaining about this and that on the iphone too.
There is no magic cookie cater for anything, you will always find something to be not up to your standards.
What confuses me the most is people complaining about the features that are not being the prime in the market cliché they are shopping - for instance, neither Android nor iOS are good examples of the enterprise use, but people still insist that my phone does not integrate well with my corporate Exchange environment the way I *want* hence the product sucks.
Everything has its pluses and minuses, it's up to an individual to weigh in the pros and cons to make a conscious buying decision.
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I really want to say "I hear ya" but here's the deal ...
a) I glanced over the iPhone fora and I am not seeing anything glaring ... mostly basic user ignorance (configuration / customization issues)
b) all the iPhone users I have asked what their biggest complaint is about their phone give me the same "huh?" look ... their phone just works
c) all the major issues with iPhone 4 were addressed with some sort of fix or another, even if all it took was a rubber band ... I have friends who exchanged their phone well after the 30 days because of the proximity sensor issue (just as an example) ... clearly, Apple took ownership of resolving the deal-breaking issues
When I walked into a T-mobile store after the first 30 days and said "I will not put up with this GPS BS" they kindly restated their return policy, gave me Samsung's support number and sent me on my not-so-merry way. When I contacted Samsung, I was told to simply wait for the update as there was no fix for it so a replacement wouldn't accomplish anything. The customer service rep literally laughed when I mentioned a return of the product for refund.
You're absolutely right ... there will always be issues but this isn't a matter of preference or individual taste ... these companies are failing to deliver what they promised and what we have paid for and rightfully deserve. I am in no way saying that the iPhone is perfect; I'm sure I would have something to complain about from time to time ... but when I borrow friends' phones to "play" with, the iPhone is fast and responsive and hasn't failed me once. Load SpeedTest side-by-side. The "Begin Test" button lights up literally instantly. I know the Galaxy S phones have the same hardware. Why is it they can't be as responsive?
As I previously mentioned, I was with AT&T (or one of the companies it acquired or merged with) for over a decade until the Hero came out and I switched to Sprint. Then I went to T-mobile for the Vibrant. I will just make my rounds until I find something that works. My problem is that I get way too overexcited about the technology and jump ship before it has had a chance to prove itself. Right now the iPhone 4 has proved itself fairly well. As I said though, as a mobile apps developer, I really want WP7 to work out so I will _try_ to wait and see. The development experience is "magnifique!"
Best,
DCC
It's really disheartening to see android sinking like this because if googles ignorant attitude. I agree with you, if google woukd be a bit more proactive like Apple or Microsoft (now that they revamped) and set a standard for the OS requirement, quality control. We can all breath better. I have a bad feeling that once wm7 hit, Android will be the new WM6.5, a cheap buggy and unorganized akternative for manuftre and carriers.
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It's really disheartening to see android sinking like this because if googles ignorant attitude. I agree with you, if google woukd be a bit more proactive like Apple or Microsoft (now that they revamped) and set a standard for the OS requirement, quality control. We can all breath better. I have a bad feeling that once wm7 hit, Android will be the new WM6.5, a cheap buggy and unorganized akternative for manuftre and carriers.
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Thank you for chiming in. Hopefully Android will survive, even if only because competition is a good thing. I think most of the issues faced today (so-called fragmentation, etc) will be resolved in the re-architecture being introduced in Android 3.0. I'm more concerned about the carriers and hardware manufacturers closing up shop after a phone has been released and only looking forward to the next model. What good is it if Android survives and succeeds if I am the one left holding the dud? "Oh, just pay another two to five hundred dollars." The worst part is that the user/owner community turns a blind eye to the egregious failures in the name of fandom. That is NOT the way to organize and effect change.
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I really want to say "I hear ya" but here's the deal ...
a) I glanced over the iPhone fora and I am not seeing anything glaring ... mostly basic user ignorance (configuration / customization issues)
b) all the iPhone users I have asked what their biggest complaint is about their phone give me the same "huh?" look ... their phone just works
c) all the major issues with iPhone 4 were addressed with some sort of fix or another, even if all it took was a rubber band ... I have friends who exchanged their phone well after the 30 days because of the proximity sensor issue (just as an example) ... clearly, Apple took ownership of resolving the deal-breaking issues
When I walked into a T-mobile store after the first 30 days and said "I will not put up with this GPS BS" they kindly restated their return policy, gave me Samsung's support number and sent me on my not-so-merry way. When I contacted Samsung, I was told to simply wait for the update as there was no fix for it so a replacement wouldn't accomplish anything. The customer service rep literally laughed when I mentioned a return of the product for refund.
You're absolutely right ... there will always be issues but this isn't a matter of preference or individual taste ... these companies are failing to deliver what they promised and what we have paid for and rightfully deserve. I am in no way saying that the iPhone is perfect; I'm sure I would have something to complain about from time to time ... but when I borrow friends' phones to "play" with, the iPhone is fast and responsive and hasn't failed me once. Load SpeedTest side-by-side. The "Begin Test" button lights up literally instantly. I know the Galaxy S phones have the same hardware. Why is it they can't be as responsive?
As I previously mentioned, I was with AT&T (or one of the companies it acquired or merged with) for over a decade until the Hero came out and I switched to Sprint. Then I went to T-mobile for the Vibrant. I will just make my rounds until I find something that works. My problem is that I get way too overexcited about the technology and jump ship before it has had a chance to prove itself. Right now the iPhone 4 has proved itself fairly well. As I said though, as a mobile apps developer, I really want WP7 to work out so I will _try_ to wait and see. The development experience is "magnifique!"
Best,
DCC
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I guess I went to the apple forums before the proximity sensor issues were resolved, and it was Vibrant GPS Redux over there.
I am glad that Apple took care of the problem after a few updates to their iOS, but as with the GPS issues on our phones the proximity sensor should've been caught during the QA, I am not gonna say anything about Antennagate.
Hopefully GPS will be patched for good on the Vibrant too, and no I do not need the proof that it is addressed with the latest update - faster locks does not mean accuracy.
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Fring was doing an excellent job, until Skype shut them down.
UGH SKYPE is a POS company
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Its those bloody Iphone Users that were clogging up the servers using Fring that caused fring to gett banned from skype
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Its those bloody Iphone Users that were clogging up the servers using Fring that caused fring to gett banned from skype
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Don't let Skype off the hook though ... I used to be a big fan of theirs but they've been very slow with delivering platform-specific clients and they seem to be playing favorites and such. Closing the door on fring, a very, very open solution out there, was a deplorable thing to do.
It doesn't matter folks ... when Google comes out with their VOIP service, and you KNOW they will (Gizmo5 acquisition, etc), all these other (dis-)services will be obliterated. I predict Google will establish its own data-only cell carrier (cause data is all you need anyway) ... hopefully within the next 2-3 years.
I know this thread kinda derailed off topic, but imma put my two cents in.
I do kinda agree with DCC, at my workplace pretty much everyone has some sort of smart phone. When the subject of phones comes up, I am the first one to bang my chest and yell ANDROID~!
But the sad truth is, iphone users like the iphone because IT DOES WHAT THEY NEED IT TO DO. they really dont care about all the stuff we have come to love about android.
So they are happy and content, while we are up till the wee hrs of the morning trying to make our phones have a milli-second faster lol.
And to me its not really trying to make our phones better than the iphone, its me just making my phone better than it was.
I am disappointed in samsung about the lag issue and the gps issue.
I dont complain about it though, cause we are all here at this website to make our phones better than it is from stock. and I am 100 percent sure , once its said and done, this phone will more than satisfy me.
As far as I've read, Fring violated Skype's API and when they were challenged Fring, instead of changing their code, resolved to drop Skype support altogether. It's basically Fring's fault for not playing according to the rules. Fring issued a statement saying that Skype blocked them. It's an unlikely story since Skype has a fairly open API and would be leaving itself open to lawsuit if they did so.
blogs.skype.com/en/2010/07/fring.html
Where are you guys reading or hearing these things from?
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As far as I've read, Fring violated Skype's API and when they were challenged Fring, instead of changing their code, resolved to drop Skype support altogether. It's basically Fring's fault for not playing according to the rules. Fring issued a statement saying that Skype blocked them. It's an unlikely story since Skype has a fairly open API and would be leaving itself open to lawsuit if they did so.
blogs.skype.com/en/2010/07/fring.html
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Umm, definitely NOT from either side's highly partial blog, that's for sure ... which, by the way, you are misquoting. Fring did not drop Skype support all together. They temporarily disabled video calls because Skype and the carriers were *****ing about it (due to the excessive load on their networks). Then they were suddenly blocked from routing connections through Skype. This is an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring who stands alone and is one of the most open companies out there.
I get it, no one here really knows what happened when and why but ... Skype is no victim. On the other hand, the Objectivist in me says Skype should have every right to deny Fring (or any individual, company or group in the world) access to their systems. I just wish they would come out and say it instead of being all sly about it.
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Umm, definitely NOT from either side's highly partial blog, that's for sure ... which, by the way, you are misquoting. Fring did not drop Skype support all together. They temporarily disabled video calls because Skype and the carriers were *****ing about it (due to the excessive load on their networks). Then they were suddenly blocked from routing connections through Skype. This is an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring who stands alone and is one of the most open companies out there.
I get it, no one here really knows what happened when and why but ... Skype is no victim. On the other hand, the Objectivist in me says Skype should have every right to deny Fring (or any individual, company or group in the world) access to their systems. I just wish they would come out and say it instead of being all sly about it.
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Saying that a company violated API publicly when they didn't is libel.
Just answer the question, your smugness, where did you get your info (especially seeing as you're stating that it's an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring. I guess you're one of these people behind these closed doors?
Lemme get your "jump to conclusions" board for you.
WTF happened in Court on Friday?
Apple over HTC in patent law case?
Check out this insane ruling...
http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+Plo...+HTC+Nears+Fruition+With+Win/article22173.htm
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Goodbye competition, hello Apple monopoly.
The violated patents are rather ambiguous, and now they could sue anyone that makes a phone or really any piece of technology today for the same patent infringement.
Wow apple is a ****ing disgrace, ill never buy a product from them
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apple's scared and doing everything they can to slow down HTC ..
not sure why moto samsung and every other major phone makers don't join sides and sue apple ..
the 2 patents in questions are a joke from what i understand both patents would mean that pretty much every phone tv etc etc would infringed on these 2 patents
WOW what a ****$n joke id rather not have a phone then buy an apple product good move apple take away the whole "choice" thing from the consumer
Every great company falls. Apple is focused on litigation. Sounds like a great strategy to provide a stable growth projection for the future.
Wait till they piss off the wrong Developers/Hackers.
This patent bull**** has gotten out of hand. Google is letting all the manufacturers fend for themselves, but, Google has a huge stake in their success so I'd imagine Google must have something up their sleeve...perhaps that's a strategic ****-ton of 'nothing', we already know Google dislikes software patents to begin with. I'm not such a huge fan of them either. It ranks right up there with patenting business models. You can't copyright an algorithm so why a business model or a bit of code? How does the financial sector handle this inability to patent algorithms? The old fashioned way, fncking secrecy.
It's not like code was stolen. What if the technical and Intellectual Property landscape was like this in the early 80's when Compaq reverse engineered the IBM-PC BIOS?
So, you can reverse engineer a hardware/software interface and identically duplicate functionality of a multi-patented device for the purpose of 'compatibility' for commercial sale....but you cannot come to the obvious conclusion that a piece of data you would commonly interact with on a communications device would be something you would like the device to be aware of and know how to handle?
Apple is going down hard. I don't blame them for fighting but that smug prick Jobs has a whole lot to say about "stealing our ideas" that sounds like hardcore trolling more than anything.
Absurd. This will only slow down Android if it is found non-obvious. Though to me, a laymen in IP law, it seems pretty obvious that these are, well, obvious ideas. Sure, nobody thought of them before 1996 cuz we didn't have technology capable enough to deal with the things they are now dealing with...and a phone environment that is also a calender, gps, networked communications device would most certainly qualify as a venue for such ideas to be more than obvious to implement.
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Htc will pay apple to piss off. It'll cost less than not selling phones
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nice read here
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/apple-case-against-htc-could-fall-apart/12167.html
Perfect scenario for the phrase: Money talks, bullshiv walks.
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Htc will pay apple to piss off. It'll cost less than not selling phones
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Nope. Apple does not want to license. That's why they want to block all shipments. HTC could afford the licensing...hell, they are already paying microsoft for some strange reason....
From what I understand, the patents in question are quite old and vague. HTC is appealing the decision and I am sure this will get overturned.
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From what I understand, the patents in question are quite old and vague. HTC is appealing the decision and I am sure this will get overturned.
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yea 20 years old if i read correct
When you are loosing the battle, cry foul!
This will not hold.
Apple has lost the same type of suits before and those will bear on this case where the facts are the same.
This makes me think of those sci fi/futuristic movies where the whole world is run by an evil corporation. APPLE!
Fortress 1/2
Wall-E
Robocop
This isn't really a final ruling on the conflict. There are still many open suits for both parties. But either way it sucks for android.
http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/15/preliminary-ruling-finds-htc-infringes-apple-patents/
A good read. I always like his take on patent issues because he has some background in the area.
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Considering the influence HTC has with android, if this really happens they will just build a plant here in the states to make said phones, which would surely piss off apple and our phones American made.
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Where can I apply for a job?
Jobs is continually and habitually making a fool of himself in his quest to keep measuring his own penis.
Mike
I find it funny because one of the patents to put it in simple terms deals with receiving telephone numbers and email addresses as clickable links in texts and other such data streams and I'm sure I was able to do this on my winmo device before the iPhone came out. And I'm sure apple wasn't the first to have a handheld device that can make and receive wireless telephone calls. Other patent owners need to start suing apple first. Or stop licensing to them.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/20/apple-awarded-a-patent-for-in-call-app-switching-starts-draftin/
-_- you fcking kidding me -_-
Whats next a patent on buttons... On the battery icon...
Apple = SUPER troll
But it's already being done. And they weren't even able to multitask at all for a while after Android was.
This is Jobs' obsession. He said he would go "thermonuclear" to ruin Android.
They really need to overhaul the patent office and get some people in there who have a clue about technology.
I want to know who are the idiots sitting behind a desk mindlessly stamping "Approved" on these patents. Do they not look into these claims and see if its even particle to give one company ownership on a function that has become common practice.
Looks like it's multitasking in general.. Which apple phones are incapable of derp?
Copyright WinMo?
But reading into it (not too far...) it seems mostly about using specific buttons or such to bring up an app list during a call... with android you just hit the home button, which is not part of the GUI of the phone "app"
anywho, read into the actual patent application and it doesn't specifically apply due to some wording and regarding the "menu button" they mention over and over again.
Apple needs to be destroyed.
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Apple needs to be destroyed.
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Agreed!!
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Lulz Apple invented UNIX?? Besides isn't it easier for them now with an Android styled Notifications system?? What about what they borrowed from Blackberry and WP7? Messaging system and system form links... Copied.
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How can the concept of multtasking be patentable?
That makes no sense. Does iOS really multitask anyway?
So Apple wants every other OS to pay them royalties to multitask?
This is going to come back to haunt them. Corporate greed and naivete on designs that are either common domain or have prior art are things that won't sit well with the hipster/occupy/disenfranchised generation of iSheep.
+1 on the dimwitted patent clerks stamping these patents. Apple patents hyperlinking, essentially, in the patent that recognizes (oh boy!) a telephone number and turns it into a hyperlink that brings you directly to the dialer. It looks like hTC will find a different way to recognize text as a phone number and circumvent this patent, so who wins? Lawyers get paid. hTC has to pay software engineers to rewrite code. Functionality remains the same for the customers. The cost gets passed on to... who? Owners of both Apple and hTC phones. We all lose.
Apple is loosing ground to Android and windows phone... They know it only a matter off time before their last years news so their trying to stay relevant and patent anything and everything to have some form off profit once iDevice sales go down.
Apple got a head start since they released a phone that called the attention of the masses, but that fad is dieing. Only thing the iphone has is ease of use and windows phone hit that head on, Android still working on that.
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Soooo how long till someone from this generation gets into the patent office. I feel that would be a major hit to apple. As the rules would change and ambiguous patents that cover broad portions of tech will no longer be valid. What a good day that will be.
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I don't know if anyone has seen the new post made on portal but I intend to send this to all the Apple Exec's and relevant people I can find.
We should all send this to the same people to let them know what we think.
Dear Apple,
Your ENTIRE organization lacks morals and free market competition basics, and as such, you are not worthy of having the glory that you now posses. While you may have revolutionized the world as we know it with very well crafted marketing campaigns and some good ideas, you are far from being a true innovator in the field of… anything. Just think for one second about the LEAPS in technology that you would have accomplished, should you have invested in R&D a quarter of the money you spend into advertising and marketing. Then, you would have something worth portraying as a technological wonder, something that would likely be untouchable by others. Something truly genuine that you can call your own, and at the end of the day you could look at with pride. What you have right now is a bunch of reinvented wheels, most of which don’t do much more than other wheels out there.
Redefining concepts and ideas is not what makes a company great; coming up with new concepts is. HTC and other major OEMS have often been in the vanguard by innovating with their products, adding new features, rethinking, and just putting concepts out there to imagine their possibilities. Your last innovations and only major contributions to the world of mobile technology were the inclusion of capacitive multi-touch gestures and an accelerometer in mobile devices, and these were with the original iPhone back in 2007. For that and only that, I give you credit. All the newer models of virtually every product you sell have been remakes of previous technology—perhaps a little thinner and a little faster, but all in all, minor changes.
It is because of companies like yours that technology is not further today than where it currently is. You are so adamant in protecting something that you didn’t even invent that you are holding back future innovation. The spirit and basic concepts of engineering are completely missing from your business models. Courtesy of the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology:
Engineering is the profession in which a knowledge of the mathematical and natural sciences gained by experience, study, and practice is applied with judgement to develop ways to utilize economically, the materials and forces of nature for the benefit of mankind.
Notice the importance of the concept that you are no longer following. Engineering practices are used for the betterment of mankind. What have you done for this purpose? Rebrand an existing technology (MP3 players) and sell them for twice the price? Trying to cripple your competitors by claiming that you invented something that was previously invented, when you simply adapted the technology and closed off any other use of this by others? This can be compared to using a Linux kernel (if it weren’t under GPL license), patenting it, and closing it off so that no one else can use it.
Apple, you are simply a disgrace to the world of technology and to engineering in general. I feel ashamed of being called an engineer in a world where your company roams around freely without even following the most basic of the field’s concepts—a world where the law and justice are blind to the fact that your actions are hindering humanity’s advancement. While I understand that there is nothing wrong with making money, there is something very wrong with replacing engineering with greed.
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Does anyone know some definite e-mail addresses to Apple execs and relevant people?
E-mail Addresses found so far:
Tim Cook [email protected]
How about sending it to one infinite loop,Cupertino CA
At least spam filters won't get it...
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I went to their site earlier today and when on chat to let them know my anger. Click thru their Google ad first
Nice! Even though i dont have any email addresses, i think this should be posted to any and every response to or from a crapple fan or employee.
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This is silly.
I mean, heck. If I were company A who invented idea X and company B came along with idea X, I would not be so different from Apple.
And, Apple employees are not the ones hording our EVOs. Its the government.
What we need is a "Free EVO" campaign
typhoonikan said:
And, Apple employees are not the ones hording our EVOs. Its the government.
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Ah, didn't realize the Customs office is holding HTC products for ****s and giggles.
Doesn't matter. Voices need to be heard.
I sent one too!
Steve Jobs would sometimes personally answer emails, but I doubt Tim Cook would. Honestly at this point it's out of Apple's hands as it's US Customs who are enforcing it and controlling the process of holding the phones so a mass email to them would be more effective.
typhoonikan said:
This is silly.
I mean, heck. If I were company A who invented idea X and company B came along with idea X, I would not be so different from Apple.
And, Apple employees are not the ones hording our EVOs. Its the government.
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Therein lies the biggest issue, Apple didn't invent a lot of the stuff they have patents for. They are just the first ones to try and patent something so ridiculous.
coolblue830 said:
Steve Jobs would sometimes personally answer emails, but I doubt Tim Cook would. Honestly at this point it's out of Apple's hands as it's US Customs who are enforcing it and controlling the process of holding the phones so a mass email to them would be more effective.
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Tell my why the HTC One on T-Moblie is being held? You know, the network without the iphoney...
Pure thuggery by apple
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shook187 said:
What we need is a "Free EVO" campaign
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As in "free" beer, or "free" willy?
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All sprint and other cellular phone salesman should advise customers against buying the iPhone. Recommend a Nexus or EVO LTE instead.
Peace All,
Where is ANONYMOUS when we need them? They would be the best at doing this--hey they might even be able to shut down some of Apple's infrastructure
phatmanxxl said:
All sprint and other cellular phone salesman should advise customers against buying the iPhone. Recommend a Nexus or EVO LTE instead.
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I sell phones and already do this! B-)
Apple doesn't care what non-customers think of them.
Apple's action is anti-consumer, it's time to awaken the government's consumer protection arms to take action against Apple. Write to your Attorney Generals, write to the Federal Trade Commission. Make Apple listen.
Friday folly: HTC changes U. S. Android phones to avoid injunction
I wondered about why they have "App Associations" and this does make sense legally.
Me, it's not a big deal (IMO: I think the patent is vague and over reaching, but I'm not a lawyer) and may be a clever way to avoid the issue.
Thoughts?
I'm on Scott's CleanROM 4.5 Standard (GREAT WORK by Scott!)
5 words and I will leave it to rest: **** Apple and their bu*****.
On another note, witht he advent of being able to use GSM on Venasaur, I wonder if their will be a rom out for the One X to utilize CDMA?
At first I didn't understand the reason for App Associations, but not I just have one question: how do the other manufacturers get away with it?
couchmonkey said:
At first I didn't understand the reason for App Associations, but not I just have one question: how do the other manufacturers get away with it?
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Maybe they pay Apple to use it
Can our dev's restore this functionality?
Clicking on a number or email and have it carry out the correct task accordingly.
Piss on Apple
heleos said:
Maybe they pay Apple to use it
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They do
Snuzzo said:
**** Apple and their bu*****
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Apple has an issued patent and is using it to make money. That's how it's supposed to work. I find it hard to blame them for working the system.
If you have a complaint, it should be with the "intellectual property" system itself, which (for patents) makes it too easy to get patents for obvious ideas (and too expensive to legally challenge). For copyright, it makes the terms far longer than necessary to encourage creation.
mike.s said:
Apple has an issued patent and is using it to make money. That's how it's supposed to work. I find it hard to blame them for working the system.
If you have a complaint, it should be with the "intellectual property" system itself, which (for patents) makes it too easy to get patents for obvious ideas (and too expensive to legally challenge). For copyright, it makes the terms far longer than necessary to encourage creation.
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The idea that they can patent something already being used elsewhere is pretty screwed up. That being said, this situation is still screwed up.
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They are dirty, but what major company isn't? What's even worse is they have used some the companys they have sued for development in the iPhone relm. Now that they aren't the majority (but close), they are lashing out more than ever