So the developer version comes S-Off. But that is an AT&T phone. Not good on T-Mobile frequencies.
HTC Dev just unlocks the bootloader, still S-On.
Do any of you believe there will be a way to get S-Off on our non dev phones??
My last phone was the Sensation, S-Off was possible as long as you didn't use HTC Dev yet, well, back when I did it. I've skipped a couple of generations of HTC phones since then. Are there any indications from some of the more recent HTC's that S-Off is still a possibility without the need of the developer phone??
No phone is s-off.
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Pr20 said:
No phone is s-off.
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Yeah......except for a whole **** load of them.......lolwut?
Previous HTC Devices using Snapdragon processors were S-Off'd (I.e. U.S version of last years flagship whereas the international Tegra 3 never achieved S-Off). The developer edition is S-ON btw, AT&T doesn't get ALL the good things
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legend0fthefall said:
So the developer version comes S-Off. But that is an AT&T phone. Not good on T-Mobile frequencies.
HTC Dev just unlocks the bootloader, still S-On.
Do any of you believe there will be a way to get S-Off on our non dev phones??
My last phone was the Sensation, S-Off was possible as long as you didn't use HTC Dev yet, well, back when I did it. I've skipped a couple of generations of HTC phones since then. Are there any indications from some of the more recent HTC's that S-Off is still a possibility without the need of the developer phone??
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The ATT developer phone is not S-Off! It is unlocked bootloader and carrier only and no bloatware. You can do that yourself and not pay the extra price. It does have 64gb however but doesn't work on the t-mobile lte bands I believe. S-Off is not necessarily needed with TWRP Dumlock from what I understand.
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The ATT developer phone is not S-Off! It is unlocked bootloader and carrier only and no bloatware. You can do that yourself and not pay the extra price. It does have 64gb however but doesn't work on the t-mobile lte bands I believe. S-Off is not necessarily needed with TWRP Dumlock from what I understand.
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It stupidly supports LTE on T-Mobile (AWS) frequency but doesn't support HSPA on AWS so no 3G/"4G" if you aren't in a 1900 refarm market. Kind of stupid planning on HTC's part... Especially since voice exclusively goes over AWS (HSPA) in areas that T-Mobile doesn't have 1900 licenses.
Is there really a point to S-OFF anymore? I haven't had an HTC since the Sensation either so I'm not sure about HTC developments, I went to Sammy.
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It stupidly supports LTE on T-Mobile (AWS) frequency but doesn't support HSPA on AWS so no 3G/"4G" if you aren't in a 1900 refarm market. Kind of stupid planning on HTC's part... Especially since voice exclusively goes over AWS (HSPA) in areas that T-Mobile doesn't have 1900 licenses.
Is there really a point to S-OFF anymore? I haven't had an HTC since the Sensation either so I'm not sure about HTC developments, I went to Sammy.
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Stupid unless there is a hardware difference between the T-Mobile and ATT radios. I don't think there is, but it is possible. People are assuming it is just firmware that can be flashed with a ROM.
As to S-Off, my last phone was an Amaze, and it required using a wire to short two places together under the battery cover. From what I have read, there are several HTC phones like that. But there is no way to get to those points in a One.
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It stupidly supports LTE on T-Mobile (AWS) frequency but doesn't support HSPA on AWS so no 3G/"4G" if you aren't in a 1900 refarm market. Kind of stupid planning on HTC's part... Especially since voice exclusively goes over AWS (HSPA) in areas that T-Mobile doesn't have 1900 licenses.
Is there really a point to S-OFF anymore? I haven't had an HTC since the Sensation either so I'm not sure about HTC developments, I went to Sammy.
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Without S-Off, it seems like the Root System is locked down. AdAway wont stick after reboot. And Busybox isn't able to install its binaries. When I try to convert Busybox as a system app, the phone just reboots. Also, when I try to delete something in the Root System (like the loud T-Mobile bootanimation sound), it causes a reboot also.
My last HTC phone was a G2/DZ and we had s-off via gfree method using command prompt which was very annoying. So hopefully we can get s-off one day. If not, then the next Nexus (5?) will be my next phone in fall/winter. And yes, I will still keep my H1. Its a very nice phone overall.
EDIT: I just read that a custom rom that allows system write will work. I guess stock carrier H1 roms are kinda locked down with system write issues. Will backup my current rom and test one of the International ROMs (even tho I heard about the possible radio/RIL+signal issues).
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Stupid unless there is a hardware difference between the T-Mobile and ATT radios. I don't think there is, but it is possible. People are assuming it is just firmware that can be flashed with a ROM.
As to S-Off, my last phone was an Amaze, and it required using a wire to short two places together under the battery cover. From what I have read, there are several HTC phones like that. But there is no way to get to those points in a One.
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Well they did it with the Galaxy S3 (no LTE baseband on the T-Mobile version) so it wouldn't surprise me if they did it with the One as well.
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Well they did it with the Galaxy S3 (no LTE baseband on the T-Mobile version) so it wouldn't surprise me if they did it with the One as well.
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Did they use a "wire trick" with the S3?
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Well they did it with the Galaxy S3 (no LTE baseband on the T-Mobile version) so it wouldn't surprise me if they did it with the One as well.
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Did they use a "wire trick" with the S3?
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Did they use a "wire trick" with the S3?
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Did they use a "wire trick" with the S3?
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They used an MSM8260A chip which is an MSM8960 that doesn't support LTE in the T-Mobile S3. No hope for us unfortunately.
We will get soff eventually just wait. It's tooooooo early to be expecting that. Just be glad we have roms and all after the phone being out for only about a month worldwide.
I came from the quickly forgotten amaze and am very surprised over the amount of development this phone already has!
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Yeah......except for a whole **** load of them.......lolwut?
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I meant no version of the HTC one (as he was talking about developer, at&t and T-Mobile) was s-off.
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I am on my HTC DNA s-off and the only thing we benefited from for having s-off is when you flash a custom kernel you don't have to fastboot flash the boot.img separately using a cmd prompt. Other than that it wasn't beneficial too much. It also opened the gates to brick your device easily. It will not hender Rom or custom kernel development. And the kernel is what allows you to write/delete system files. So once we see some kernel developments that allows the r/w to the system the issues where changes doesn't stick after reboot will be eliminated.
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Without S-Off, it seems like the Root System is locked down. AdAway wont stick after reboot. And Busybox isn't able to install its binaries. When I try to convert Busybox as a system app, the phone just reboots. Also, when I try to delete something in the Root System (like the loud T-Mobile bootanimation sound), it causes a reboot also.
My last HTC phone was a G2/DZ and we had s-off via gfree method using command prompt which was very annoying. So hopefully we can get s-off one day. If not, then the next Nexus (5?) will be my next phone in fall/winter. And yes, I will still keep my H1. Its a very nice phone overall.
EDIT: I just read that a custom rom that allows system write will work. I guess stock carrier H1 roms are kinda locked down with system write issues. Will backup my current rom and test one of the International ROMs (even tho I heard about the possible radio/RIL+signal issues).
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I have the TMo One and have been using ARHD 7 for a few days and loving it. No signal issues here
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I am on my HTC DNA s-off and the only thing we benefited from for having s-off is when you flash a custom kernel you don't have to fastboot flash the boot.img separately using a cmd prompt. Other than that it wasn't beneficial too much. It also opened the gates to brick your device easily. It will not hender Rom or custom kernel development. And the kernel is what allows you to write/delete system files. So once we see some kernel developments that allows the r/w to the system the issues where changes doesn't stick after reboot will be eliminated.
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Yea same for the EVO LTE - S-Off is def convenient and I would do it regardless, but if you were worried about messing up it's not a deal breaker to be s-on.
Seeing that S-OFF text on the bootloader screen does give me a weird warm and fuzzy feeling though
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Can someone please enlighten me? Is the band compatibility issues on the HTC One GPE a hardware limitation or software limitation?
Reason I ask is that I would like to do a full GPE conversion on my HTC One that I got from T-mobile. If I do this would I still be able to connect to the same towers and have the same signal on HSPA+ specifically? Or would I have to (and be able to) flash a T-mobile radio? Or would I just be screwed?
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I'm not sure, but I have a tmo one running Android Revolution Google Edition ROM and flashed a tmo radio and get great reception mLTE and HSPA +
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I have the gpe 4.3 radio on my T-Mobile htc one and I'm getting better lte reception than the T-Mobile radio.
I'm running the arhd 4.2.2 Rom.
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Can someone please enlighten me? Is the band compatibility issues on the HTC One GPE a hardware limitation or software limitation?
Reason I ask is that I would like to do a full GPE conversion on my HTC One that I got from T-mobile. If I do this would I still be able to connect to the same towers and have the same signal on HSPA+ specifically? Or would I have to (and be able to) flash a T-mobile radio? Or would I just be screwed?
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The Roms you install shouldn't prevent you from connecting to the HSPA network. The HTC One GPE has a physical (radio) limitation that prevents it from connecting to the HSPA because its lacking one of the radios for the frequency TMobile uses for that standard.
If you have a TMobile phone and make it be a GPE via ROM flash, you shouldn't have issues.
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Thanks I wasn't quite sure what the limitation was. I couldn't fully convert to GPE like I wanted since I can't get s-off but I'm running ARHD 4.3 with the GPE radio and yep I'm getting even better signal. Thanks guys
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What about the Dev Edition working with flashed radio
This may be a n00b question, but I have an opportunity on a sweet deal for a Developer Edition One, and am considering T-Mo for the service. I understand it lacks the HPSA+ 1700 radio, but is that a physical limitation, or can you flash the necessary firmware on top? According to T-Mo, my area of Atlanta is serviced by LTE, so it wouldn't be an issue at home, but I don't know what would happen when I step out of the coverage zone.
Any tips or advice?
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This may be a n00b question, but I have an opportunity on a sweet deal for a Developer Edition One, and am considering T-Mo for the service. I understand it lacks the HPSA+ 1700 radio, but is that a physical limitation, or can you flash the necessary firmware on top? According to T-Mo, my area of Atlanta is serviced by LTE, so it wouldn't be an issue at home, but I don't know what would happen when I step out of the coverage zone.
Any tips or advice?
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It's a physical issue, it does not have a radio that supports T-Mo's frequencies, as much as I'd like one, I can't give up LTE
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It's a physical issue, it does not have a radio that supports T-Mo's frequencies, as much as I'd like one, I can't give up LTE
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This post has answered one question of mine being whether the hspa issue was a hardware issue or not. Hkwver I have a normal T-Mobile one that I converted to fully stock gpe with stock boot loader and recovery and ever since making the switch in certain areas I lose LTE briefly cinect to hspa and end up on 3g. Before the switch in these same areas I would never lose LTE connection or suffer speed loss. Since the switch though there are a lot of areas that I cannot connect to anything but 3g. So if this is a hardware limitation the GPE RUU shouldn't effect this manner or is there something in the RUU preventing access to this radio seeing as it was written with knowledge of the hardware it was being placed on not having the proper hardware? Is there anything I can do to restore functionality of hspa while keeping Google play edition on my HTC one ?
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This post has answered one question of mine being whether the hspa issue was a hardware issue or not. Hkwver I have a normal T-Mobile one that I converted to fully stock gpe with stock boot loader and recovery and ever since making the switch in certain areas I lose LTE briefly cinect to hspa and end up on 3g. Before the switch in these same areas I would never lose LTE connection or suffer speed loss. Since the switch though there are a lot of areas that I cannot connect to anything but 3g. So if this is a hardware limitation the GPE RUU shouldn't effect this manner or is there something in the RUU preventing access to this radio seeing as it was written with knowledge of the hardware it was being placed on not having the proper hardware? Is there anything I can do to restore functionality of hspa while keeping Google play edition on my HTC one ?
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I don't have an answer to your question, but I'm trying to figure one thing out - you were able to do a full GPE conversion (including RUU and changing the model ID) to a T-Mobile One and didn't brick it?
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I don't have an answer to your question, but I'm trying to figure one thing out - you were able to do a full GPE conversion (including RUU and changing the model ID) to a T-Mobile One and didn't brick it?
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no it did not brick the device if fully functional receives ota updates and the questions I had in the OP I've answered. The device gets hspa+ 42 as well as LTE so the issue must be a hardware limitation of the gpe that u can actually purchase. In fact it is a at t model which is why it suffers the lack of HEPA connectivity. However if j flash a T-Mobile over to GPE RUU it will have HEPA+ connectivity. Also mid and Cid do not need to be changed in order to get ota updates. The OP has been edited since this was discovered all u need to do is flash the ruu and you'll have a fully official gpe HTC one with ota.
I apologize if this topic has been covered already, however I am not thoroughly acquainted with smartphones and most of the terminology associated with this topic I do not fully understand yet and am therefore unable to extract the information I need from existing forums. I have a Verizon Rezound that I want to use on the GCI prepaid network. I have followed the instructions in a Youtube video by click4geek called Use any Carrier with HTC Rezound (sorry new user, can't post links) and have also unlocked the bootloader via the HTC website. I now can use the phone over the GCI network for calls and text messaging. I have a twofold question: first, what do I do next--root the phone with a ROM (I read this is the best option for phone functionality and the overheating problem)??? If I do this which ROM would most fit my needs (basic user, just need phone calls, sms/mms messaging, and data)? And second, I have set two APN's via GCI protocol (one for data and one for MMS), the problem is I can access data yet I cannot send picture messages. Any thoughts? Thank you for your help!!!!
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I apologize if this topic has been covered already, however I am not thoroughly acquainted with smartphones and most of the terminology associated with this topic I do not fully understand yet and am therefore unable to extract the information I need from existing forums. I have a Verizon Rezound that I want to use on the GCI prepaid network. I have followed the instructions in a Youtube video by click4geek called Use any Carrier with HTC Rezound (sorry new user, can't post links) and have also unlocked the bootloader via the HTC website. I now can use the phone over the GCI network for calls and text messaging. I have a twofold question: first, what do I do next--root the phone with a ROM (I read this is the best option for phone functionality and the overheating problem)??? If I do this which ROM would most fit my needs (basic user, just need phone calls, sms/mms messaging, and data)? And second, I have set two APN's via GCI protocol (one for data and one for MMS), the problem is I can access data yet I cannot send picture messages. Any thoughts? Thank you for your help!!!!
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I can put some input on the ROM, and somewhat possibly on the APN.
First from what you've said, the over heating problem. That's just a known fact with the rezzy.. look on the bright side, you have a great hand warmer for winter! But, Plain-Andy, CM, or Liquid Smooth would probably suit your needs the best of hand. Do you have a custom recovery yet? You haven't gone S-OFF yet have you? So if you do flash a custom ROM, you will have to extract and flash the boot.img manually from the zip, unless otherwise stated in the OP of ROM.
APN, I don't know very much about.. But I know the rezound got global capabilities with the 4.0.3 ICS update, therefore, if you flash any ROM with the latest update, you should be able to apply them again, but I'm not sure if they would work...
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pball52998 said:
I can put some input on the ROM, and somewhat possibly on the APN.
First from what you've said, the over heating problem. That's just a known fact with the rezzy.. look on the bright side, you have a great hand warmer for winter! But, Plain-Andy, CM, or Liquid Smooth would probably suit your needs the best of hand. Do you have a custom recovery yet? You haven't gone S-OFF yet have you? So if you do flash a custom ROM, you will have to extract and flash the boot.img manually from the zip, unless otherwise stated in the OP of ROM.
APN, I don't know very much about.. But I know the rezound got global capabilities with the 4.0.3 ICS update, therefore, if you flash any ROM with the latest update, you should be able to apply them again, but I'm not sure if they would work...
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You're correct, I do not have a custom recovery or S-OFF. How would I go about doing those, and are they both necessary?
Thank you very much for your assistance!!!!
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You're correct, I do not have a custom recovery or S-OFF. How would I go about doing those, and are they both necessary?
Thank you very much for your assistance!!!!
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A custom recovery is needed to flash any ROM. Or just let alone any rooting/modding. If you have the boot loader unlocked, you should just be able to flash a recovery via fastboot using
fastboot flash recovery (name_of_recovery).img
S-OFF (turns off all security flags) can be achieved via rumrunner. http://rumrunner.us although. Its suggested by a couple of devs, mostly Snuzzo to have a minimum 3 or 4 flashes from fastboot. That's also known for boot images (kernels) and recoveries.
From a custom ROM with S-ON you have to flash the kernel from fastboot. Once you flash the zip in recovery, you have to extract the zip on your computer, but the boot.img needs to go into your fastboot folder. Then flash, similar to flashing the recovery but
fastboot flash boot (name of kernel).img
As for the APN thing though.. All I can say about that is, most AOSP ROMS support different services such as GSM and other companies. It'd probably be specific to the ROM that was flashed. Be helpful to possibly flash and ask OP.
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A custom recovery is needed to flash any ROM. Or just let alone any rooting/modding. If you have the boot loader unlocked, you should just be able to flash a recovery via fastboot using
fastboot flash recovery (name_of_recovery).img
S-OFF (turns off all security flags) can be achieved via rumrunner. although. Its suggested by a couple of devs, mostly Snuzzo to have a minimum 3 or 4 flashes from fastboot. That's also known for boot images (kernels) and recoveries.
From a custom ROM with S-ON you have to flash the kernel from fastboot. Once you flash the zip in recovery, you have to extract the zip on your computer, but the boot.img needs to go into your fastboot folder. Then flash, similar to flashing the recovery but
fastboot flash boot (name of kernel).img
As for the APN thing though.. All I can say about that is, most AOSP ROMS support different services such as GSM and other companies. It'd probably be specific to the ROM that was flashed. Be helpful to possibly flash and ask OP.
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thank you for your help. I definitely need more though *sigh*. I followed the directions for "How to Root the HTC Rezound" on the unlockr website. It included flashing an Amon Ra Rezound recovery and installed a Superuser App on my phone. After I followed this guy's directions, I looked at the comments below the process and apparently Superuser and su apps don't work simultaneously on the Rezound and its apparently not rooted, according to the comments anyway. I think in order to flash a custom ROM I will need a "dummies" guide with all steps laid out for me (with S-on). Is there any such guide? Please excuse my naivety. I know it is very taxing explaining everything at an elementary level.
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thank you for your help. I definitely need more though *sigh*. I followed the directions for "How to Root the HTC Rezound" on the unlockr website. It included flashing an Amon Ra Rezound recovery and installed a Superuser App on my phone. After I followed this guy's directions, I looked at the comments below the process and apparently Superuser and su apps don't work simultaneously on the Rezound and its apparently not rooted, according to the comments anyway. I think in order to flash a custom ROM I will need a "dummies" guide with all steps laid out for me (with S-on). Is there any such guide? Please excuse my naivety. I know it is very taxing explaining everything at an elementary level.
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I wrote a giant 30 step guide once.... Let me see if I can find it. But one, you don't want amon ra recovery... That's for ICS. Newer ROMs need TWRP at least 2.6.X.X but preferred 2.7 or above
Edit: Aha! Found it! This has every single step, step by step. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=51742399
Start at step 11,12 or 13. Can't really say lol. Or, read the whole post. That's about as clear as it gets. Literally lol
Feel free to ask if there is a misunderstanding.
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pball52998 said:
I wrote a giant 30 step guide once.... Let me see if I can find it. But one, you don't want amon ra recovery... That's for ICS. Newer ROMs need TWRP at least 2.6.X.X but preferred 2.7 or above
Edit: Aha! Found it! This has every single step, step by step. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=51742399
Start at step 11,12 or 13. Can't really say lol. Or, read the whole post. That's about as clear as it gets. Literally lol
Feel free to ask if there is a misunderstanding.
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Awesome!!! Thank you for your help!!! I'll let you know how it goes--if you hear a primal scream it may be me!!
Ok so I flashed both the CM and LiquidSmooth ROMS with success, but had no service with CM and had some service with LS, but couldn't send sms messages or get data. What did I do wrong?
pball52998 said:
I wrote a giant 30 step guide once.... Let me see if I can find it. But one, you don't want amon ra recovery... That's for ICS. Newer ROMs need TWRP at least 2.6.X.X but preferred 2.7 or above
Edit: Aha! Found it! This has every single step, step by step. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=51742399
Start at step 11,12 or 13. Can't really say lol. Or, read the whole post. That's about as clear as it gets. Literally lol
Feel free to ask if there is a misunderstanding.
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What hboot and radios are you using?
There are often a few steps to go through when using GSM on the Rezound... and they vary based on using stock ROM or third-party ROM. On stock ROMs you have to use a third party messaging app (Hangouts, Textra, Handcent, etc) to get MMS to work since the embedded messaging app is hard coded to Verizon MMS servers. In third party ROMs you sometimes have to do that, but often have to flash a GSM enabler to get data to work properly. Remember that the Rezound isn't tuned very well to GSM, especially if it is used on US carriers, so often Edge, and occasionally basic 3G/HSPA, service is the best you can get with great signal.
Your APNs could be an issue as well, remember you can only have one active, but it is based on APN type field... if you need a seperate MMS APN than used for data/internet, your default selected APN must not contain the MMS APN Type, it would be in a stand-alone one, and the MMS APN must not contain the default or internet APN types, and your MMS APN should be the only one with the MMS APN type.
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What hboot and radios are you using?
There are often a few steps to go through when using GSM on the Rezound... and they vary based on using stock ROM or third-party ROM. On stock ROMs you have to use a third party messaging app (Hangouts, Textra, Handcent, etc) to get MMS to work since the embedded messaging app is hard coded to Verizon MMS servers. In third party ROMs you sometimes have to do that, but often have to flash a GSM enabler to get data to work properly. Remember that the Rezound isn't tuned very well to GSM, especially if it is used on US carriers, so often Edge, and occasionally basic 3G/HSPA, service is the best you can get with great signal.
Your APNs could be an issue as well, remember you can only have one active, but it is based on APN type field... if you need a seperate MMS APN than used for data/internet, your default selected APN must not contain the MMS APN Type, it would be in a stand-alone one, and the MMS APN must not contain the default or internet APN types, and your MMS APN should be the only one with the MMS APN type.
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How do I tell what radios and hboot I'm using?
I flashed a GSM patch I found on the LiquidSmooth ROM page but must have done it wrong because after I flashed it it lit up the backlight in the phone when it rebooted and just had a black screen for a long time. I Tried to just recover through TWRP but the phone continually got stuck on the 4G page on the reboot. So did I do the custom recovery wrong? I'm thinking I'm stuck flashing a custom ROM now and can't restore my phone. What is my best course of action? I love the custom ROMS but if I cannot even get service then that defeats the point of having the phone.
I do have to have 2 APN's, and the default (data) does not contain MMS APN in the Type field, it says default. And the MMS APN Type is "MMS".
Thank you!!!!
mdugger said:
How do I tell what radios and hboot I'm using?
I flashed a GSM patch I found on the LiquidSmooth ROM page but must have done it wrong because after I flashed it it lit up the backlight in the phone when it rebooted and just had a black screen for a long time. I Tried to just recover through TWRP but the phone continually got stuck on the 4G page on the reboot. So did I do the custom recovery wrong? I'm thinking I'm stuck flashing a custom ROM now and can't restore my phone. What is my best course of action? I love the custom ROMS but if I cannot even get service then that defeats the point of having the phone.
I do have to have 2 APN's, and the default (data) does not contain MMS APN in the Type field, it says default. And the MMS APN Type is "MMS".
Thank you!!!!
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Remove battery and reinsert, power up holding VOL DN + POWER... that screen is the Hboot screen, at the top is listed Hboot version, radios, and other pertinent data.
I haven't messed with ROMs in some time on the Rezound, I don't even own one anymore... but the Rez is picky, some ROMs work well on some handsets, and others do not... I am surprised that the GSM patch would bootloop LS, there isn't really much you can do wrong if you are using the current TWRP, just flash and wipe cache and dalvik, reboot and wait. What recovery and version are you using (start it and it should show at the top of the screen). You could also try one of @sun_dream ROM's, his are pretty much exclusive to GSM users. What carrier and frequencies are we talking about here would be good info as well...
2 APNs are fine, although all APN types should be lower case, not sure if that would cause an issue or you just listed it that way in your message... Linux/Android is case sensitive for most things, Camera is different than camera.
I will say again that Rezound is a finicky GSM phone, things have to be just right... some people can get it to work with marginal success, but only a select few people can get it working "great", and with other devices being relatively cheap like the Doogee Voyager, Posh, and Sharkk with 5" screens, 1GB RAM, dual SIMs, and quad core processors being available for well under $100, and some devices, like the Blu Dash, for under $60 it makes little sense to push the Rezound too much even as a backup device. Are you located in the US? The Rezound can easily be sold for less than the cost of many of these devices to people with broken devices stuck in a contract with Verizon, I have seen ones in good condition sell for $100-$130, putting you in the realm of really pretty decent GSM phones like the BLU Studio 5.0 C HD for $130, it is a top rated budget phone.
Sorry I got off on a ramble there... I am not trying to sway you from trying to get it working, you might be able too, just don't set your expectations too high, the Rezound is a great device on Verizon... on GSM carriers not so much... I will continue to try to help you as much as I can .
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Remove battery and reinsert, power up holding VOL DN + POWER... that screen is the Hboot screen, at the top is listed Hboot version, radios, and other pertinent data.
I haven't messed with ROMs in some time on the Rezound, I don't even own one anymore... but the Rez is picky, some ROMs work well on some handsets, and others do not... I am surprised that the GSM patch would bootloop LS, there isn't really much you can do wrong if you are using the current TWRP, just flash and wipe cache and dalvik, reboot and wait. What recovery and version are you using (start it and it should show at the top of the screen). You could also try one of @sun_dream ROM's, his are pretty much exclusive to GSM users. What carrier and frequencies are we talking about here would be good info as well...
2 APNs are fine, although all APN types should be lower case, not sure if that would cause an issue or you just listed it that way in your message... Linux/Android is case sensitive for most things, Camera is different than camera.
I will say again that Rezound is a finicky GSM phone, things have to be just right... some people can get it to work with marginal success, but only a select few people can get it working "great", and with other devices being relatively cheap like the Doogee Voyager, Posh, and Sharkk with 5" screens, 1GB RAM, dual SIMs, and quad core processors being available for well under $100, and some devices, like the Blu Dash, for under $60 it makes little sense to push the Rezound too much even as a backup device. Are you located in the US? The Rezound can easily be sold for less than the cost of many of these devices to people with broken devices stuck in a contract with Verizon, I have seen ones in good condition sell for $100-$130, putting you in the realm of really pretty decent GSM phones like the BLU Studio 5.0 C HD for $130, it is a top rated budget phone.
Sorry I got off on a ramble there... I am not trying to sway you from trying to get it working, you might be able too, just don't set your expectations too high, the Rezound is a great device on Verizon... on GSM carriers not so much... I will continue to try to help you as much as I can .
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No problem on the ramble I have had a budget phone but the camera on the Rezound is much much better, and that's the main reason I have a smartphone to begin with. Here's the specs you requested in your earlier post:
VIGOR PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-2.27.0000
RADIO-2.22.10.0801r/2.22.10.0803r
OpenDSP-v14.6.0.7708.00.0507
eMMC-boot
Aug 6 2012, 19:24:37
Team Win Recovery Project v2.8.1.0
GCI Communications in Alaska, prepaid SIM I believe is 3G
I do have data access on LS, but the service is worse than I had with the stock ROM, and I still cannot send SMS or MMS. I had to leave the house to get it. I will try flashing the GSM fix again, and there is a build.prop fix that I apparently overlooked in the LS postings. If that doesn't work then looks like I'm on to a different ROM. Does it sound like my recovery is just shot, since it won't go past the "4G" boot screen?
Thanks again! You are the Rezound dictionary I've been needing!!!
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GCI Communications in Alaska, prepaid SIM I believe is 3G
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I'll look at the other stuff in a bit, at work, I'll reply in the morning, we probably need to try to upgrade radios but I gotta do some research that I can't ATM...
But is this a AT&T or Tmo MVNO, or an independent?
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I'll look at the other stuff in a bit, at work, I'll reply in the morning, we probably need to try to upgrade radios but I gotta do some research that I can't ATM...
But is this a AT&T or Tmo MVNO, or an independent?
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As far as I know, an independent, as AT&T has it's own towers up here in AK.
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As far as I know, an independent, as AT&T has it's own towers up here in AK.
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I may be wrong, but it looks like GCI operates it's HSPA and LTE networks in the AWS spectrum... 1700/2100 MHz Band 4, similar to T-mobile, the Rezound does not support that frequency band in hardware, meaning you may only get 2G/Edge.
It is really tough to find any specifics though, I will have to look at their FCC filings, what market area are you in?
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I may be wrong, but it looks like GCI operates it's HSPA and LTE networks in the AWS spectrum... 1700/2100 MHz Band 4, similar to T-mobile, the Rezound does not support that frequency band in hardware, meaning you may only get 2G/Edge.
It is really tough to find any specifics though, I will have to look at their FCC filings, what market area are you in?
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So I would only be able to get 2G/Edge no matter what ROM or RUU I could flash? How does this affect the fact that I can't receive SMS or MMS on LS but I can on ICS stock? Or does it? I'm in the Matanuska-Susitna Valley area: Palmer, Wasilla, Houston, Big Lake area.
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So I would only be able to get 2G/Edge no matter what ROM or RUU I could flash? How does this affect the fact that I can't receive SMS or MMS on LS but I can on ICS stock? Or does it? I'm in the Matanuska-Susitna Valley area: Palmer, Wasilla, Houston, Big Lake area.
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It appears that way, I will have to look at the FCC filings for GCI in that area and see if they support any other frequency ranges. I don't know about their prepaid plans, but the postpaid seems to have some kind of roaming agreement with AT&T. It's pretty uncommon for prepaid to have roaming capabilities though. I'll look into it more in the morning.
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Looked into it a little more this morning, doesn't look good for the Rezound on GCI
It appears they have:
1900Mhz for Voice/Text (GSM/GPRS) and 2G/Edge data - supported by Rezound
1900Mhz for UMTS (3G/WCDMA) data - Technically supported by the Rezound, but it is known not to work in the US
1700/2100Mhz AWS for HSPA/HSPA+ - NOT supported by Rezound
1700/2100Mhz AWS Band 4 for LTE - NOT supported by Rezound
The Rezound is known to support:
CDMA: 800/1900 Mhz (Verizon Voice/3G EVDO network)
GSM/GPRS: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
WCDMA(UMTS): 900/1800 MHz (850/1900Mhz have been "detuned" from chipset)
HSPA: 900/2100 MHz
LTE: 700 MHz (Band 13 only)
To be honest, information on GCI's wireless network is tough to come by, and their FCC filings are very broad ranging for a wide variety of technologies, not very specific at all. Their website mentions BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) in a few places but gives no specifics, FAQ, or other information on what frequencies are supported. Frankly I am a little stumped on finding out more information.
It appears that anything over basic GSM or UMTS speeds requires a device that supports the AWS spectrum, which the Rezound does not, and even that information is sketchy as although UMTS seems to be supported by GCI at 1900Mhz, which the Rezound "technically" supports, the 1900Mhz band for UMTS/WCDMA and HSPA is known to be "detuned" in the Rezound... to a point where you basically have to be sitting on the tower to get minimal service. Whether this was an oversight by HTC and Verizon, or a deliberate plan to prevent the device from being switched to another US carrier since 1900Mhz data is only used in the US, has been a hotly debated issue.
So what this all boils down to it that you should be able to get voice, text, and minimal data services including MMS, working on the Rezound with GCI, but your service will be extremely slow... 2G/Edge in GSM networks usually run from 120Kbps to 384Kbps, and that is probably the best you will get with the Rezound on GCI.
Sorry I don't have better news for you.
Don't apologize!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm grateful for the research and the time you put into helping me!!!!!! If you were in my shoes and stuck with the rezound then would you go back to stock via http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2509770 (since SMS/voice/data at least worked with ICS), try different 3rd party ROMS until I find one that works with SMS/MMS/voice and data (in hopes of finding a better OS) or try to find a fix for my TWRP recovery-gone-wrong?
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Looked into it a little more this morning, doesn't look good for the Rezound on GCI
It appears they have:
1900Mhz for Voice/Text (GSM/GPRS) and 2G/Edge data - supported by Rezound
1900Mhz for UMTS (3G/WCDMA) data - Technically supported by the Rezound, but it is known not to work in the US
1700/2100Mhz AWS for HSPA/HSPA+ - NOT supported by Rezound
1700/2100Mhz AWS Band 4 for LTE - NOT supported by Rezound
The Rezound is known to support:
CDMA: 800/1900 Mhz (Verizon Voice/3G EVDO network)
GSM/GPRS: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
WCDMA(UMTS): 900/1800 MHz (850/1900Mhz have been "detuned" from chipset)
HSPA: 900/2100 MHz
LTE: 700 MHz (Band 13 only)
To be honest, information on GCI's wireless network is tough to come by, and their FCC filings are very broad ranging for a wide variety of technologies, not very specific at all. Their website mentions BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) in a few places but gives no specifics, FAQ, or other information on what frequencies are supported. Frankly I am a little stumped on finding out more information.
It appears that anything over basic GSM or UMTS speeds requires a device that supports the AWS spectrum, which the Rezound does not, and even that information is sketchy as although UMTS seems to be supported by GCI at 1900Mhz, which the Rezound "technically" supports, the 1900Mhz band for UMTS/WCDMA and HSPA is known to be "detuned" in the Rezound... to a point where you basically have to be sitting on the tower to get minimal service. Whether this was an oversight by HTC and Verizon, or a deliberate plan to prevent the device from being switched to another US carrier since 1900Mhz data is only used in the US, has been a hotly debated issue.
So what this all boils down to it that you should be able to get voice, text, and minimal data services including MMS, working on the Rezound with GCI, but your service will be extremely slow... 2G/Edge in GSM networks usually run from 120Kbps to 384Kbps, and that is probably the best you will get with the Rezound on GCI.
Sorry I don't have better news for you.
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Don't apologize!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm grateful for the research and the time you put into helping me!!!!!! If you were in my shoes and stuck with the rezound then would you go back to stock via http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2509770 (since SMS/voice/data at least worked with ICS), try different 3rd party ROMS until I find one that works with SMS/MMS/voice and data (in hopes of finding a better OS) or try to find a fix for my TWRP recovery-gone-wrong?
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I would flash a custom ROM, then go s-off, then go through that procedure. You have to be s-off before you can do that. Honestly, if it was me and I needed to use GCI I would restore to stock and sell it, to be honest the Rezound camera on anything but stock is just marginal by today's standards. On sense roms the camera is much better
I have a dreaded Verizon. For the time being, I really only need to alter the radios to tune for Tmobile frequencies. No one seems to advertise or understand this but since the S4 is fully capable of nearly every frequency world wide, and I get next to no signal when on T mobile, I believe Verizon purposely only turned on frequencies that they use.
So, unless someone else has a slick work around for the time being, I will have to figure out a root procedure for this configuration. I looked at this late last year and seemed to be a big hurdle.
King root seems to be inconsistent. What are my options for this?
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I have a dreaded Verizon. For the time being, I really only need to alter the radios to tune for Tmobile frequencies. No one seems to advertise or understand this but since the S4 is fully capable of nearly every frequency world wide, and I get next to no signal when on T mobile, I believe Verizon purposely only turned on frequencies that they use.
So, unless someone else has a slick work around for the time being, I will have to figure out a root procedure for this configuration. I looked at this late last year and seemed to be a big hurdle.
King root seems to be inconsistent. What are my options for this?
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not possible
sorry
the only way it could work is that if you had a i545 running a MDK which lets you run custom kernels
as of now there is no way to flash non-verizon modems to the device
Mobile Networks> Network Mode>
select UTS/GSM is about all you can do
verizon even remove the service menu that shows the available bands
Wow, Verizon must have done their homework on locking down phones. That boot loader is hosery. I consider this much like the government forcing them to give the keys, but did not say they had to put air in the tires. Without the ability to run or select alternate frequencies, service is a no-go
I am mostly in desktop computers but curious why these phones are not being wipes and reloaded with a new OS from scratch? Why all the work arounds and hacks? What am I missing? Does Android have all this on lock down?
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Wow, Verizon must have done their homework on locking down phones. That boot loader is hosery. I consider this much like the government forcing them to give the keys, but did not say they had to put air in the tires. Without the ability to run or select alternate frequencies, service is a no-go
I am mostly in desktop computers but curious why these phones are not being wipes and reloaded with a new OS from scratch? Why all the work arounds and hacks? What am I missing? Does Android have all this on lock down?
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its entirely samsung and verizon's doing
S4 Is a terrible device you would be better off with something like a huawei honor or moto g or moto X
I am curious about your phone selections. My basic needs are only a high end device with good signal, mic, speaker, display, battery life, and memory capacity. However, I really felt I MUST have a phone with SD card ability but I really don't remove it, I don't take many pictures, and probably don't need that feature.
What I DON'T want is a device that is HUGE. I like the size of the S4. T mobile felt sorry for my phone issues and gave me an LG Leon. I simply hate it.
I should mention that I later intend to consider writing some custom apps for basic wifi and blue tooth functions so I want a playground that affords me some latitude.
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I am curious about your phone selections. My basic needs are only a high end device with good signal, mic, speaker, display, battery life, and memory capacity. However, I really felt I MUST have a phone with SD card ability but I really don't remove it, I don't take many pictures, and probably don't need that feature.
What I DON'T want is a device that is HUGE. I like the size of the S4. T mobile felt sorry for my phone issues and gave me an LG Leon. I simply hate it.
I should mention that I later intend to consider writing some custom apps for basic wifi and bluetooth functions so I want a playground that affords me some latitude.
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then the honor x5 is what you want its slightly wider then the s4 5.64 5.53 has sd dual sim dual radio and a factory unlockable bootloader
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_honor_5x-7590.php
remember huawei is the OEM for google meaning they designed and manufactured the nexus 5x and 6p
Thank you! I find phone shopping to be rather daunting. I see a lot of developers using the Nexus product but also see a lot of people using Samsung due to all their included gadgets on board.
One thing that may be handy is the IR emitter. Is there a site that compares different products well? I do notice the honor does not get high marks for their display performance.
As well, due to using T mobile, I am unsure on compatibility. I need to know if the boot loader is responsible for toggling certain bands on/off? If I buy an honor for ATT, I assume it will be toggled for ATT frequencies? Since the BL is unlocked, can I toggle other bands to ensure I get the best service possible?
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Thank you! I find phone shopping to be rather daunting. I see a lot of developers using the Nexus product but also see a lot of people using Samsung due to all their included gadgets on board.
One thing that may be handy is the IR emitter. Is there a site that compares different products well? I do notice the honor does not get high marks for their display performance.
As well, due to using T mobile, I am unsure on compatibility. I need to know if the boot loader is responsible for toggling certain bands on/off? If I buy an honor for ATT, I assume it will be toggled for ATT frequencies? Since the BL is unlocked, can I toggle other bands to ensure I get the best service possible?
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click the compare button on gsm arena
idk why you said the honor doesn't get high marks 1080p ips is pretty dam good
tho I guess some `review sites`
having a 2 or 4k display on your phone does no good if the gpu can't drive it
it will look real pretty but real world performance will suffer
different phones vs different carriers e.g CDMA phone like the i545 verizon s4 can not be used on GSM carriers such as ATT and Tmobile
read here for more info on that http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407896,00.asp
a unlocked bootloader grants you the ability to run custom roms and flash certain portions of the phone that are normally inaccessible
the bootloader has nothing todo with radio bands
the honor or any other factory unlocked phone should work on your carrier without issue
Thank you! I guess my only real requirement in the display is having one I can actually see outdoors! Amazing how poor the screen is on this old LG leon.
Maybe you can help me better understand how the bands are configured and/or locked on a phone? The reason I ask is the Verizon Galaxy S4 is technically capable of all bands that Tmobile uses yet I see poor functionality with it, indicating tome it is not picking up certain frequencies. I made the assumption the boot loader would be isolating the bands? Is this software controlled? Or not at all? Which would leave me wondering.
For reference, the Verizon S4 DOES work on Tmobile though. It holds 4GLTE signal but texts will not go out because I believe Tmobile is using 2G or 3G for that.
The way I assumed this worked is the phone is capable of a WIDE range of bands and frequencies, but the service provider would invoke only certain frequencies that they use?
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Thank you! I guess my only real requirement in the display is having one I can actually see outdoors! Amazing how poor the screen is on this old LG leon.
Maybe you can help me better understand how the bands are configured and/or locked on a phone? The reason I ask is the Verizon Galaxy S4 is technically capable of all bands that Tmobile uses yet I see poor functionality with it, indicating tome it is not picking up certain frequencies. I made the assumption the boot loader would be isolating the bands? Is this software controlled? Or not at all? Which would leave me wondering.
For reference, the Verizon S4 DOES work on Tmobile though. It holds 4GLTE signal but texts will not go out because I believe Tmobile is using 2G or 3G for that.
The way I assumed this worked is the phone is capable of a WIDE range of bands and frequencies, but the service provider would invoke only certain frequencies that they use?
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if its holding lte then all you need todo is change the APN to point to t-mobiles servers (store should have offered todo this for you)
t mobile uses slightly differing frequencies depending on your area you are lucky enough to be in one of the area's that use the higher bands
instructions are here https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-2090
this will not change the fact that you may or may not get data signal depending on where you are connecting too
I would install textra from the playstore and set it as your mms app it has some over-rides for the apn settings if it won't let you change it via the system UI
alt instructions use the`fast` for lte
http://www.4gtricks.com/2013/04/t-mobile-4g-apn-t-mobile-4g-apn-settings.html
Right now the S4 indicated locked to 4GLTE but signal is -90dbm, 50asu. I tested data and I am able to use it though it is slow. I, however, still cannot send an sms. I am able to edit settings for the APN but have verified all settings are per tmobile specs. Any ideas where to go from here?
In the network modes, I am able to chose, 1) global, 2)LTE/CDMA 3) LTE/GSM/UMTS
I have it on LTE/GSM/UMTS right now. IIRC, the GSM is the 2G/3G for sms and voice?
Is it possible that the I545 is trying to operate on the Verizon 750mhz instead of the 700mhz of Tmobile?
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Right now the S4 indicated locked to 4GLTE but signal is -90dbm, 50asu. I tested data and I am able to use it though it is slow. I, however, still cannot send an sms. I am able to edit settings for the APN but have verified all settings are per tmobile specs. Any ideas where to go from here?
In the network modes, I am able to chose, 1) global, 2)LTE/CDMA 3) LTE/GSM/UMTS
I have it on LTE/GSM/UMTS right now. IIRC, the GSM is the 2G/3G for sms and voice?
Is it possible that the I545 is trying to operate on the Verizon 750mhz instead of the 700mhz of Tmobile?
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.simplyadvanced.ltediscovery&hl=en\
should tell you what band its connecting on
install textra and go into its options and enable the 't mobile fix'
OK, I loaded Textra and LTE recovery. I honestly am not certain of what I am looking at on the LTE app but looks like I am connecting to band 4 LTE. At that time, I could not and still cannot send a text. However, at some point, it switched over to a UMTS connection and I was able to fire off texts normally so I know my APN settings are right and there is something odd going on. Textra did nothing different and there is no setting for tmobile other than a wifi setting.
I have read many other people having this exact problem which hovers around those using a verizon S4 on tmobile and upgrading to 5.0 OS.
What I need to figure out, and maybe an area that would require another thread but I need to learn if I may need to reflash the modem to function properly on tmobile and if that can even be considered on an unrooted, boot loader phone? If not, what are the best options? Just dump the phone and get something else? I read of a few roots on the OC1 platform but not sure on that.
If I knew my efforts would work and I knew what I needed to do to fix this issue, I would. I almost just upgraded to the latest revision hoping for a patch in there but not sure I should do that if I want to root? Is OC1 and above all the same for rooting issues?
you don't even have to root to work around this. you can downgrade modem to MDK build. Then use QPST/QXDM to change item 6828 to value 4096
Sins07, I am very interested in the modem mods you suggest as I also came to the conclusion the modem is the issue.
Would I out of line to ask if you can dumb this down a little for a newbie? You mention downgrading the modem only and was not aware you could do that. Can you explain how this modem issue is occuring and how the modem mods will fix it?