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I find it kind of difficult to write with the pen, because I want to rest my hand on the tablet like a sheet of paper which then opens the virtual keyboard. My old Gateway convertible tablet, which only had pen function, no touch, was nicer (IMO) for writing because when writing, I COULD rest my hand on the screen like paper.
I would like to see a funciton that when the pen is in use (Like when the pen menu is open in the corner) the touch commands turn non-functional.
This would, in my opinion, boost the use of the pen majorly.
Does anyone else find this problem?
Also, I'm a lefty.
so right...
using both hand and pen has its pro's but i agree with you - i wish i could make the jetstream only "feel" the pen in certain situations.
personaly, i'm using a piece of clotch on the corner of the Jetstream to cover the problematic area. its a poor thing to do, but it gets me by...
maybe someday, if we'll live to see ICS on the Jetstream things will be better.
it would be great if there was a button you could press to briefly switch off the capacitative touch screen, leaving only the N-trig input. if this could be automated, then even better!
I posted on the HTC website too, hopefully they will pick it up.
I think the best note taking software right now is Quill for our tablet which recognize the n-trig and knows to ignore my hand.
If we had the support and interest in the device here in the xda community (which i don't think we do), once root is achieved, then turning off the capacitative touch while the pen menu is out could be possible... right?
Easy fix, I would think.
The solution to your issue is to use Tasker to switch the keyboard from HTC touch input to null keyboard on apps which you use the pen on.
Creds to posters on the HTC Flyer forum who had the same issue.
the issue is not just with the keyboard panel. it's with the date/notification bar the pops up every now and then..
Thanks for the info on Tasker and Null Keyboard. This works great, although Quill will likely remain my go-to app for taking longer notes.
I have to push way too hard in the Quill app to get pen strokes to appear... Thats the only negative to me. There needs to be a sensitivity option.
typhoonikan said:
I have to push way too hard in the Quill app to get pen strokes to appear... Thats the only negative to me. There needs to be a sensitivity option.
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Totally difference for me, I think it's really sensitive... Or it could just be the pen. Sometimes my pen acts really wonky like constantly giving out input signal even when I am not touching the screen.
New solution for this:
using app like "no system bar"
does the trick, now the root is available
Maybe it's just me, but the inking in the tutorial window is very smooth and the te,t is nearly perfect and readBle. In the Notes app it is much rougher, jagged, and hard to read. Anyone else experience this?
dstrauss said:
Maybe it's just me, but the inking in the tutorial window is very smooth and the te,t is nearly perfect and readBle. In the Notes app it is much rougher, jagged, and hard to read. Anyone else experience this?
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Same comment, but for the resolution of the scribble compared to the Notes app. The second smallest calligraphy pen on black in the Notes app has some really bad fringe near the edges. These (among other reasons) is why I'm unhappy with HTC's work in designing the pen integration.
Also: try the free Quill app, which renders the pen's stroke using vector graphics so the resolution is scale independent.
TSGM said:
Same comment, ...Also: try the free Quill app, which renders the pen's stroke using vector graphics so the resolution is scale independent.
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I just tried Quill and the ink quality is much better. Sharing notes is not as transparent, but its the quality of the inking that makes this superior.
Quill is also great because it does what no other pen app does, and all should - it can ignore hand input, so you can rest your hand comfortably on the tablet surface - which makes it tons more effective than the native app, which keeps sliding out the on-screen keyboard whenever you touch the screen with your skin.
mr_pio said:
Quill is also great because it does what no other pen app does, and all should - it can ignore hand input, so you can rest your hand comfortably on the tablet surface - which makes it tons more effective than the native app, which keeps sliding out the on-screen keyboard whenever you touch the screen with your skin.
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Indeed.
To me, it's absolutely ridiculous that these issues were not considered by HTC.
mr_pio said:
Quill is also great because it does what no other pen app does, and all should - it can ignore hand input, so you can rest your hand comfortably on the tablet surface - which makes it tons more effective than the native app, which keeps sliding out the on-screen keyboard whenever you touch the screen with your skin.
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Actually, it's a function of many active-stylus systems that any touchscreen interactions are turned off when the pen is in close proximity to the screen. The Flyer works in the same way. The awkward bit is that you have to put the stylus close to the screen FIRST, which is unnatural for most people and is probably the source of almost universal confusion about these systems. You can verify the pen turns off the touchscreen by hovering your pen (it doesn't need to actually touch) something less than 1/4" over the screen, and you'll notice you can't do anything with your finger. Lift your pen a little higher and touch turns back on. Palm rejection is really only necessary if you don't have an active stylus system, or perhaps to allay the issue of most people putting their palms on their screens first before the pen has a chance to turn off touch.
bluebear13 said:
...Palm rejection is really only necessary if you don't have an active stylus system, or perhaps to allay the issue of most people putting their palms on their screens first before the pen has a chance to turn off touch.
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I've been using active digitizers for years, and frankly I like having touch turned off while writing. On my HTC, the screen is so sensitive I get a keyboard every time unless using Quill.
dstrauss said:
I've been using active digitizers for years, and frankly I like having touch turned off while writing. On my HTC, the screen is so sensitive I get a keyboard every time unless using Quill.
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That's what bluebear's post was saying. When the pen is near the screen, touch is deactivated.
HTC could improve on this by allowing the user to adjust the time the screen returns to recognizing touch. Since I print, an increased delay would keep the keyboard from popping up. My current workaround is to touch the spiral bound portion of the screen which doesn't activate the keyboard.
The SPen works great on the screen, but can't be used to activate the four capacitive 'buttons' at the bottom.....not sure why.
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The SPen works great on the screen, but can't be used to activate the four capacitive 'buttons' at the bottom.....not sure why.
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Because the part of the screen that contains the "digitizer" that the S-Pen uses doesn't cover the entire front face of the phone....it only covers the screen area.
Remember that the international version doesn't have the touch sensitive 4-buttons across the bottom...only a single mechanical button.
I assume the same screen digitizer was used for both devices.
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The SPen works great on the screen, but can't be used to activate the four capacitive 'buttons' at the bottom.....not sure why.
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There are certain movements you can do with the S-pen on the screen while holding the button on the S-pen that wil for example bring you back (in the browser(, show the menu, bring you to your homescreen!
When you're using the S Pen on the screen, it isn't actually using the capacitive capabilities to register the input, it's using the screen digitizer. The pen isn't capable of registering capacitive input.
With the Flyer's stylus you could actually use the other end of the pen as a capacitive stylus, although I'm pretty sure that's just a result of it being solid metal.
CradleRob said:
Because the part of the screen that contains the "digitizer" that the S-Pen uses doesn't cover the entire front face of the phone....it only covers the screen area.
Remember that the international version doesn't have the touch sensitive 4-buttons across the bottom...only a single mechanical button.
I assume the same screen digitizer was used for both devices.
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The international version has a mechanical button (home) and two capacitive buttons (back and menu).
But as everyone said, the S-Pen isn't a capacitive stylus like you might buy to use for a tablet; the note has a proper digitizer, which allows things like pressure sensitivity. It's nowhere near as good as the sensitivity you get with a Wacom input device, but it's a helluva lot better than a normal capacitive stylus.
Find the manual for the s-pen on the market. There are many gestures that allow yô to open menu's and navigate.
anyone know if the galaxy note stylus would work on the amaze? or just another phone in general? or do you think its somehow "programmed" or made to work just with the note. was looking at stylus and every one of them are huge lol, like incipios and others. I think it would be cool to use it for some apps.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe phones/displays that use a stylus utilize a different kind of display, and the note I believe is like dou hybrid or something.
I am pretty sure a stylus will be useless on the amaze...unless the tip was heated? lol
I think stylus screens are based on pressure sensors in the display and the more common ones we use the sensors in the display are heat based...or something.
freakboy13 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe phones/displays that use a stylus utilize a different kind of display, and the note I believe is like dou hybrid or something.
I am pretty sure a stylus will be useless on the amaze...unless the tip was heated? lol
I think stylus screens are based on pressure sensors in the display and the more common ones we use the sensors in the display are heat based...or something.
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no, they make capacitive display stylus. look at the new galaxy tab, regular capacitive screen, with a stylus included. also look at the htc flyer, it has a stylus as well. its a special material they use on the tip. I actually have a pair of gloves that have the material that I can use in the winter with a capacitive screen. they just operate different. resistive stylus are used with pressure, and capacitive have a special material at the end that some how activates the screen as your finger would.
http://www.incipio.com/HTC-Amaze-4G-Cases-Accessories/HTC-Amaze-4G-Cases-Accessories.asp go here and youll see some capacitive stylus that are compatible with our phones but they are huge lol. that's why im interested in the notes stylus since its small. I think some apps would be fun with it, like sketchbook, etc.
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBpo7USR8I8 this is how it works
What's likely is that the stylus from these devices might work for detecting single touch events - but would not be pressure sensitive, as the phone doesn't have the special digitizer material to create the field that allows passive pressure sensitive pens (ie, look at wacom) to work. So, in other words, why bother?
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What's likely is that the stylus from these devices might work for detecting single touch events - but would not be pressure sensitive, as the phone doesn't have the special digitizer material to create the field that allows passive pressure sensitive pens (ie, look at wacom) to work. So, in other words, why bother?
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try drawing a image or words or anything in general with the sketchbook and then you tell me. some other apps would be more fun/interesting with a stylus imo. also with grease and what not, when texting its okay or just swiping around but when using apps like angry birds it would be more fun to use a stylus I think.
Capacitive stylus vs. Active Digitizer
stratax said:
no, they make capacitive display stylus. look at the new galaxy tab, regular capacitive screen, with a stylus included. also look at the htc flyer, it has a stylus as well. its a special material they use on the tip. I actually have a pair of gloves that have the material that I can use in the winter with a capacitive screen. they just operate different. resistive stylus are used with pressure, and capacitive have a special material at the end that some how activates the screen as your finger would.
(link) go here and youll see some capacitive stylus that are compatible with our phones but they are huge lol. that's why im interested in the notes stylus since its small. I think some apps would be fun with it, like sketchbook, etc.
edit: (link) this is how it works
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This is not right. The galaxy note (and "new galaxy tab"/Galaxy note 10.1) uses an active digitizer similar to what you find in Wacom tablets and old school tablet pcs. The HTC Flyer and Jetstream uses a similar pen (but from a different maker HTC=Ntrig Samsung=Wacom). None of these styluses will work on another device, exept, maybe some windows 7 tablet pcs.
So, no the note s-pen will not work on your Amaze. A capacitive stylus like pogo scketch or the link above, will work just fine on most phones today, but it is hardly any better than a finger. The s-pen, however gives you a lot more presicion. I can fit more handwritten text on a 5.3 note with the s-pen, than on the 9.7 ipad with a capacitive stylus.
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This is not right. The galaxy note (and "new galaxy tab"/Galaxy note 10.1) uses an active digitizer similar to what you find in Wacom tablets and old school tablet pcs. The HTC Flyer and Jetstream uses a similar pen (but from a different maker HTC=Ntrig Samsung=Wacom). None of these styluses will work on another device, exept, maybe some windows 7 tablet pcs.
So, no the note s-pen will not work on your Amaze. A capacitive stylus like pogo scketch or the link above, will work just fine on most phones today, but it is hardly any better than a finger. The s-pen, however gives you a lot more presicion. I can fit more handwritten text on a 5.3 note with the s-pen, than on the 9.7 ipad with a capacitive stylus.
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That is correct, you can immediately tell it is not a capactive stylus by trying to press the capacitive buttons and not getting a response.
Why not just got to Best Buy / ATT and try it out to be sure
mikeschevelle said:
Why not just got to Best Buy / ATT and try it out to be sure
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look up a town called rolla in Missouri and you will see why lol. closest best buy is over a hour away
Vikingpus said:
This is not right. The galaxy note (and "new galaxy tab"/Galaxy note 10.1) uses an active digitizer similar to what you find in Wacom tablets and old school tablet pcs. The HTC Flyer and Jetstream uses a similar pen (but from a different maker HTC=Ntrig Samsung=Wacom). None of these styluses will work on another device, exept, maybe some windows 7 tablet pcs.
So, no the note s-pen will not work on your Amaze. A capacitive stylus like pogo scketch or the link above, will work just fine on most phones today, but it is hardly any better than a finger. The s-pen, however gives you a lot more presicion. I can fit more handwritten text on a 5.3 note with the s-pen, than on the 9.7 ipad with a capacitive stylus.
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what exactly does it use? that was my main question pretty much, if they would work or not cause I wasn't sure if they were like a regular capacitive stylus or just something custom made. the capacitive stylus are too big to even be called a stylus
stratax said:
look up a town called rolla in Missouri and you will see why lol. closest best buy is over a hour away
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Dont need to look it up, Im an STL guy myself.
Road trip
Tell you what, I have a BB right next to my work, Ill try and run over there tomorrow and check it out
dude i saw one on cvs, it suppost to work with all touch phones it cost $10 bucks thats why i didnt buy it. but it would be nice to use to play "draw something''
stratax said:
what exactly does it use? that was my main question pretty much, if they would work or not cause I wasn't sure if they were like a regular capacitive stylus or just something custom made. the capacitive stylus are too big to even be called a stylus
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I think it is called electromagnetic ressonance. When you press down the tip of the s-pen it generates a magnet field or something which is registered by the phone, or something like that. In the first s-pen i had, the tip got stuck, so it would register input even when not touching the screen.
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Wacom tablets use a patented electromagnetic resonance technology. Since the tablet provides power to the pen through resonant coupling, no battery or cord is required for the pointing device. As a result, there are no batteries inside the pen (or the accompanying puck), which makes them slimmer.
mikeschevelle said:
Dont need to look it up, Im an STL guy myself.
Road trip
Tell you what, I have a BB right next to my work, Ill try and run over there tomorrow and check it out
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haha nice!
gypsy214 said:
dude i saw one on cvs, it suppost to work with all touch phones it cost $10 bucks thats why i didnt buy it. but it would be nice to use to play "draw something''
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exactly, it would be fun to use with some apps but not everything lol. just like sketchbook or angry birds or draw me. since its hard as hell with your finger
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I think it is called electromagnetic ressonance. When you press down the tip of the s-pen it generates a magnet field or something which is registered by the phone, or something like that. In the first s-pen i had, the tip got stuck, so it would register input even when not touching the screen.
from wikipedia:
Wacom tablets use a patented electromagnetic resonance technology. Since the tablet provides power to the pen through resonant coupling, no battery or cord is required for the pointing device. As a result, there are no batteries inside the pen (or the accompanying puck), which makes them slimmer.
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well then wouldnt it work on all touch screens then? since all capacitive touch screens respond to static/heat, or does it give off a different type? im confused how samsung made the note lol, its interesting
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My Galaxy Note stylus doesn't work on Galaxy S2 or Galaxy Tab 7.7
Not even the input response. I figure they will work minus the pressure sensitivity but i was wrong. You need an active digitizer layer
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My Galaxy Note stylus doesn't work on Galaxy S2 or Galaxy Tab 7.7
Not even the input response. I figure they will work minus the pressure sensitivity but i was wrong. You need an active digitizer layer
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so the note has a special layer made for the stylus? thats cool
stylus for the note didnt work on my amaze
mikeschevelle said:
stylus for the note didnt work on my amaze
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thats a shame, oh well the screen on this phone really isnt that big any ways. i could see using one on the one x or something. i think the new lg vu also has a custom stylus for it hmm
It looks like the screen is actually pressure sensitive at least done with finger or such devices. All you need is to use the right app which provides adjustable curves for pressure control.
Try using Ravioli Paint which lets you change the curvature and start painting drawing with you finger
This might be due to the size of press point as well, in any case it just feels like pressure control to me.
so the screen is "stupid" touch and needs palm recognition to proper write on it?
s01q said:
so the screen is "stupid" touch and needs palm recognition to proper write on it?
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The screen has no palm rejection because the pen is mainly for the keyboard area.
When I say the screen is pressure sensitive I was referring a special use case where the pressure sensitivy of the screen (via touch) can be used to control pen thickness, opacity etc like the pen.
got that. so the "write on screen" as on SP4 is not possible but you need the virtual kbd in tablet mode?
s01q said:
got that. so the "write on screen" as on SP4 is not possible but you need the virtual kbd in tablet mode?
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Yes the screen is not pressure sensitive to the pen, however you can use the pen on screen via "any pen". If you are into drawing the tablet area is far superior to SP4 ntrig, I used to have Surface Book and I hated it. The screen is nice the batter is great but the pen is piece of junk compared to wacom. It has no subtle sensing. I felt like I was drawing with a knife on a glass surface.
thanks. will get mine today. have an XP-Pen here. maybe I will try that for "any pen"
s01q said:
thanks. will get mine today. have an XP-Pen here. maybe I will try that for "any pen"
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One nice thing about having a separate drawing area and no palm rejection on the screen is that you do not have to move your pen from the surface area to do finger gestures on the screen. WHen there is palm rejection you always have to move the pen away from the screen to use finger gestures or finger touchses since both wont work at the same time.