hi
I have a problem with internal memory, as usual with many
so i tried link2sd , and i figured out i must be rooted to mount 2nd ext2 partition using SU
by the way i have sony xperia c for only 2 weeks, this is my 1st android phone i have so i know just a little
so i guessed, i need the su only to mount 2nd partition,
so i wonder is there a way doing this other than rooting?? as i knew it voids warranty
for example using adb shell commands or executing a script doing this ??
as a last resort, i may consider rooting, and that leads me to more questions
is there a way to unroot after rooting, so the warranty is still there?? i knew about rooting apps like root master and another SU apps,
that enables fully unrooting, so maybe could i do it, after mounting 2nd partition n after link2sd recognizes it??
how bad is rooting n loosing warranty?? is there problems with xperia c that needs badly warranty??
thanks in advance
mina.ed.2010 said:
hi
I have a problem with internal memory, as usual with many
so i tried link2sd , and i figured out i must be rooted to mount 2nd ext2 partition using SU
by the way i have sony xperia c for only 2 weeks, this is my 1st android phone i have so i know just a little
so i guessed, i need the su only to mount 2nd partition,
so i wonder is there a way doing this other than rooting?? as i knew it voids warranty
for example using adb shell commands or executing a script doing this ??
as a last resort, i may consider rooting, and that leads me to more questions
is there a way to unroot after rooting, so the warranty is still there?? i knew about rooting apps like root master and another SU apps,
that enables fully unrooting, so maybe could i do it, after mounting 2nd partition n after link2sd recognizes it??
how bad is rooting n loosing warranty?? is there problems with xperia c that needs badly warranty??
thanks in advance
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Definitely not a way to do it without root. Also, you would have to stay rooted to make Links2SD function after rebooting. Scripts and adb commands won't help with out superuser permission as you can't make changes to /system like that without root. Most Xperias can easily be returned to stock / non rooted with the Flash Tool and the correct firmware for your build version - assuming you have access to a PC. I recommend downloading the firmware, drivers, and Flash Tool and watching a video or 2 on YouTube or check out one of the many guides here on XDA about using it to return to stock. Once you are comfortable with that, you can fix almost any software thing you might need making rooting not so scary.
es0tericcha0s said:
Definitely not a way to do it without root. Also, you would have to stay rooted to make Links2SD function after rebooting. Scripts and adb commands won't help with out superuser permission as you can't make changes to /system like that without root. Most Xperias can easily be returned to stock / non rooted with the Flash Tool and the correct firmware for your build version - assuming you have access to a PC. I recommend downloading the firmware, drivers, and Flash Tool and watching a video or 2 on YouTube or check out one of the many guides here on XDA about using it to return to stock. Once you are comfortable with that, you can fix almost any software thing you might need making rooting not so scary.
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here is another method moving apps to sd using adb commands, how efficient is it??
instructables.com/id/How-to-install-apps-onto-your-SD-Card-No-Root/?ALLSTEPS
in this case, do i format the whole sd card as fat32??
i knew link2sd needs the 2nd partition to be EXT2->4 format to move data files, not only apks, so how it comes this method to work using fat32??
also here is another 2 techniques to unroot using es explorer to delete some files in /system, n another method, how reliable is it??
androidtipsz.com/two-simple-methods-to-unroot-any-rooted-android-device
but anyway it doesn't make sense to me to unroot to get back warranty, in other words, suppose a permanent
damage to screen, or whatever happened making it impossible to unroot, then how it comes i could do it??
maybe if i were lucky to get it back
anyway i'm hopeful i won't need warranty, n perhaps i won't need it...it seems to me to unroot is to 95% lose warranty, n maybe i'm lucky 5% to get it back
mina.ed.2010 said:
here is another method moving apps to sd using adb commands, how efficient is it??
instructables.com/id/How-to-install-apps-onto-your-SD-Card-No-Root/?ALLSTEPS
in this case, do i format the whole sd card as fat32??
i knew link2sd needs the 2nd partition to be EXT2->4 format to move data files, not only apks, so how it comes this method to work using fat32??
also here is another 2 techniques to unroot using es explorer to delete some files in /system, n another method, how reliable is it??
androidtipsz.com/two-simple-methods-to-unroot-any-rooted-android-device
but anyway it doesn't make sense to me to unroot to get back warranty, in other words, suppose a permanent
damage to screen, or whatever happened making it impossible to unroot, then how it comes i could do it??
maybe if i were lucky to get it back
anyway i'm hopeful i won't need warranty, n perhaps i won't need it...it seems to me to unroot is to 95% lose warranty, n maybe i'm lucky 5% to get it back
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Not very. It only moves part of the apk and not the app data. Plus some apps just don't work well there such as 3rd party launchers and keyboards. FAT32 is fine for this method because it doesn't move the data.
As far as returning it to normal - it depends on if you have a custom recovery and root or just root only. If you have a custom recovery, you have to get that back to stock as well as do the unroot. Unrooting - which you can just do from inside the root app, but the best way is to just use the factory firmware and the flashtool because it will restore everything - including the recovery. This method will return the phone to stock whether or not the screen is broken as screen input isn't necessary.
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Not very. It only moves part of the apk and not the app data. Plus some apps just don't work well there such as 3rd party launchers and keyboards. FAT32 is fine for this method because it doesn't move the data.
As far as returning it to normal - it depends on if you have a custom recovery and root or just root only. If you have a custom recovery, you have to get that back to stock as well as do the unroot. Unrooting - which you can just do from inside the root app, but the best way is to just use the factory firmware and the flashtool because it will restore everything - including the recovery. This method will return the phone to stock whether or not the screen is broken as screen input isn't necessary.
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first of all, i really appreciate your guidance, as i was really confused between huge stuff on google...thanks for your help...
so, that adb commands method isn't far different from stock android app2sd..right??
anyway, to take the decision, should i go for rooting?? and what is the best method??
i found apps, that needs no pc or usb, like root master, framaroot, maestro and poot, and usb debugging method like vroot,
one click root, and dozens of other names...all i know is just names..as i told you i'm just a beginner
so what method should i go into??
but first and all, should i go for rooting, i feel i'm still hesitated
as i mentioned, that's my 1st ever android phone for only 2 weeks and i don't wanna take a decision like this in a hurry
so, if the worst scenario happened like software breakdown, would it be to download stock firmware??
and if a hardware damage like a crash or screen damage or whatever, is it guaranteed to download firmware to
unroot it n to get it back to waranty??..i feel i'm still a little confused
thanks again for your help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2764341
Has most of the info you need there.
I'm all about root. But I might be a bit biased being a huge fan of making my phone better and I root/upgrade/customize phones for a living, but there's no way I would put up with the limitations of a non rooted system. But like I said, if you are hestitant, then download the original firmware, read the guides, and watch some videos on how to return an Xperia device back to stock and the problems that might arise from rooting won't be that big of a deal since it takes about 10 minutes to restore the phone if you have everything set up (firmware downloaded and drivers and flash tool installed).
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Fair warning: I've never rooted a phone before. I've dabbled in ADB with my nook color, but am far from comfortable with it. I installed Honeycomb on the nook color, then decided to just go simple with autonooter.
Now, I'm thinking of rooting my new Thunderbolt. Mostly because I'd like to get rid of all of the bloatware and try to get all of the performance out of my phone as I can get. After having the Droid1 for a couple of years, I do not want to see my phone get laggy like my D1 did.
So here come the beginner questions: once I root the phone, I know I need to get ROM Manager and Titanium Backup. Those apps will let me be able to get back all of my data and preferences, etc once I switch ROMs right?
What else will I need after rooting? Is it a simple process to flash a new ROM?
Can anyone suggest a (mostly) stock ROM that just gets rid of the bloatware and gives the phones performance a boost?
Also, does a rooted phone require a lot of maintenance? For instance, will I have to be updating ROMS often? Also, if an OTA comes out for non-rooted phones, do these updates get worked into the ROMs quickly? I dont want to be without a necessary update, ya know?
Last question: Once I root my phone, should I just cancel the insurance on the phone? Or does "voiding the warranty" only mean that VZW wont fix it for free?
Thanks!
First off, I highly recommend following this rooting method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616 and not using the easy root method. If you have any problems at all, you can log into http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951190 and get some help. I also highly recommend reading up a bit on ADB, what it is and how it works http://www.xda-developers.com/android/adb-easy-tutorial/
Then...once you get rooted use ROM Manager to flash the clockworkmod recovery. In ROM Manager there's a little fix that everyone's been doing: open ROM Manager, menu>clear download cache, then settings>erase recovery. Then do your backup before you do anything else like flashing another ROM. Use Titanium to backup all your apps. I recommend the paid versions of both since you will be using them a lot.
Added: What I usually do the first time: Root, backup rom, install debloated rom, set everything up like I want it and then backup again. Each time I flash a new ROM, I create a backup of it all set up and with the name so that I can easily switch back and forth. I like change
The basic debloat rom is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000103
It's easy to flash a new ROM, just download the one you want, put it on your sdcard and then use ROM Manager to 'install from sdcard'
You are going to be flashing ROMs left and right because they come out so fast. Each time an update is out, it'll be put into a ROM and released for all of us here so that you stay current. Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
I would not recommend getting rid of your insurance, it is different than the warranty and you can get your phone replaced if it's ever damaged. I've used it 3 times now all on rooted phones. It indeed will void the warranty.
Happy rooting!
^ +1. I did use the easy root method and had no problems with it but it is truly still hit or miss. I am sure it will get better as more developers start pushing new stuff out.
Good luck
Thanks for the reply!
Why dont you recommend using the easy root method that I've been reading so much about? I realize it has some faults, but I'm planning on waiting until an updated version comes out. I'm a bit afraid to brick my phone while trying to root the phone myself.
Also, after rooting, how can i do a backup of my apps? Doesnt rooting wipe all of the data on my phone?
Learning ADB would be helpful...I must admit, I am an easy root junkie. I just don't have the time to learn ADB. Maybe someday that will change.
Rooting will wipe your phone and I use Titanium Backup to back up my apps. It does make it a lot easier once you start flashing ROMs on a daily basis
Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Thanks! After watching a video of someone rooting, I think I will be able to do the non-easy method.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
Zalyia38 said:
This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
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Thanks.
So to answer my previous question: When rooting, I'm still going to lose all of my current information including apps, sms, etc. However, its good to backup my phone before installing the debloated rom.
Is that correct?
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
CorporateGoth said:
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
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Even better call it the Original Root Method........
pman555 said:
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
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you don't open the files. The exploit one is the one you unpackage to your tools directory. The other you will put on your sdcard when told too. you can join #root and get help if you want.
as far as apps, the market 'should' reload all your apps when you wipe data just give it time. Then use titanium to back them all up.
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
Capt.D said:
Even better call it the Original Root Method........
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I like that one
jawonder said:
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
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ADB is learning what you are doing to your phone instead of letting a program do it for you. Copy/paste is just so there are no typos if you don't feel as comfortable typing it all out. I recommend reading up on ADB so that you have a bit of knowledge of what you are doing.
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
Irish Whiskey said:
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
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Titanium backup only works after you're rooted.
You can use a program like Mybackup Pro to backup stuff like sms mms, etc.
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA App
As a first time rooter myself, I ended up doing the original root process. The well written instructions helped me not to feel paranoid and I breezed through the steps. While, I was confident in rooting the phone because of the instructions, I don't feel so confident post root because I don't know how to do many of the elements like flash roms, kernels, apply mods, etc. So my question is, are there any guides for flashing new roms and the steps taken before and after? For instance, let's say I wanted to flash adrynalyne's no bloat rom, and his mod package, how do I go about doing it? Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Zalyia38 said:
Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
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If I root and remove bloatware manually, will OTA updates occur automatically, or do I have the option of blocking them. Would they re-install all of the bloatware I removed?
Hi... My question is kinda tricky, first thing is I never really like permanent roots for various reasons, and that is why I go for Temp... You see if I mess up a phone I would have to worry too much I guess, anyway, my Amaze 4G will be replaced soon by a new Amaze 4G so... If I temp root, do a full bar k up to my ad card with titanium lite app, and I temp root the new Amaze and do a back up restore... Will I get all my apps, text messages, saved games, laucher, folder, apps configurations and pretty much will turn my new phone exactly the same way the old one was?... With a temp root? Is this possible? And if I reset the phone and the root is gone so will be my entire back up data on the new phone? Cannot even think on how horrible will be installing all that....
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Hi... My question is kinda tricky, first thing is I never really like permanent roots for various reasons, and that is why I go for Temp... You see if I mess up a phone I would have to worry too much I guess, anyway, my Amaze 4G will be replaced soon by a new Amaze 4G so... If I temp root, do a full bar k up to my ad card with titanium lite app, and I temp root the new Amaze and do a back up restore... Will I get all my apps, text messages, saved games, laucher, folder, apps configurations and pretty much will turn my new phone exactly the same way the old one was?... With a temp root? Is this possible? And if I reset the phone and the root is gone so will be my entire back up data on the new phone? Cannot even think on how horrible will be installing all that....
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Yes - No - No - No.
You can backup certain things such as sms, call log, contacts, etc with MyBackup. You must have root to have Titanium. I can't recall clearly if temp root is sufficient. If you have a locked bootloader ANY changes made to the /system (that is anything different than the stock rom and bloatware) will be reverted/restored by a reboot. This is currently unavoidable. And you can not backup the root files on your root device and restore them to an unrooted phone. This is because they would need to be restored to /system/app and /system/bin directories. Anything with /system would need an unlocked bootloader for the changes to stick. Without an unlocked bootloader the only changes that you can make is in /cache and /data partitions of your device. Anything else will be like it never happened after a reboot.
ReverseSorrow said:
Hi... My question is kinda tricky, first thing is I never really like permanent roots for various reasons, and that is why I go for Temp... You see if I mess up a phone I would have to worry too much I guess, anyway, my Amaze 4G will be replaced soon by a new Amaze 4G so... If I temp root, do a full bar k up to my ad card with titanium lite app, and I temp root the new Amaze and do a back up restore... Will I get all my apps, text messages, saved games, laucher, folder, apps configurations and pretty much will turn my new phone exactly the same way the old one was?... With a temp root? Is this possible? And if I reset the phone and the root is gone so will be my entire back up data on the new phone? Cannot even think on how horrible will be installing all that....
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You can use Titanium Backup with temp-root. I restored all my data using it.
I suggest you not to mess up with system settings, though. It's tricky because restoring system apps won't stick after you loose temp-root (after reboot or after system hicup whichever comes first). But many system settings are backed up and restored with system apps/lib files. Or you can try it and find out if it works. Let us know the result.
A word of caution. Temp-root is really temp-root. I lost temp-root often even before rebooting causing bunch of errors and headaches. So I had to restore apps/data in small chunks to be safe.
I don't know why you're so much against rooting, but if that's because you bricked your phone before, you may want to go with MyBackup as Binary says. Even with Temp-rooting, you'd need to know what you're doing.
Thank you so much guys, I will back everything up, get my new phone, temp root it and restore the back up from the first Amaze 4G... God I hope it goes well...... And yeah, I bricked a PSP back then, I cry for a week, I just don't want to go thru that ever again lol
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Thank you so much guys, I will back everything up, get my new phone, temp root it and restore the back up from the first Amaze 4G... God I hope it goes well...... And yeah, I bricked a PSP back then, I cry for a week, I just don't want to go thru that ever again lol
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I really don't think that we can brick this phone. The best way to brick an HTC device is to flash a bad bootloader and radio combo or to tamper with the bootloader itself. Since we need S-OFF to flash a radio then that makes this phone pretty safe to root and currently we don't have a method to obtain S-OFF at this time. Another way to brick your phone is to flash a custom kernel that has permanent undesired effects like I experienced last year. So in conclusion, if you just want to have a custom rom installed, remove bloat, etc then you're better off going full root.
Hello,
I'm new here and recently bought a live with walkman, my first android phone.
However, I'm running short on space and so I'm looking into rooting.
But before attempting anything I would like to ask a few questions a bout it.
I'm planning on using DooMLoRD's Easy Rooting Toolkit, which seems pretty straightforward. The thing is that I'm not sure
what to do before or after attempting this, the closest 'guide' I found for this was the following thread:
http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-things-root/129648-quick-intro-rooting-those-new-rooting.html
It explains you how to back up your files so you don't lose stuff, but it's quite old, so is it still applicable?
Second question, the live is getting an ice cream sandwich update late march, can I still upgrade to it using doomlord's method,
and/or if necessary using his unroot kit?
I'm quite excited about android 4.0, but is the upgrade possible or even necessary with (perhaps better) roms out there?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1389501&highlight=ice+cream+sandwich
This topic goes over this, but I want to be sure...
On the same note, if I just unlock my phone without using any custom Roms, would I still be able to use go launcher?
Thirdly, some of the articles I read listed tethering and screenshot taking as benefits of rooting, but my walkman is already
capable of doing these, or at least should be. Is it still worthwhile to root for this?
And finally, the main reason why I want to root my phone. I'm using apps2sd at the moment to get as much space in my
internal memory as I can right now, but it is only capable
of transferring some applications partially. As I've read it, rooting allows you to transfer most applications to your sd, but
does it also allow for a bigger part to be transferred? Thus allowing you to install all the applications you want instead of
having a hard time deciding what app is essential and what not.
I also want to delete some of the bloatware that came with the device...
I guess that's all for now, I'm really anxious at the moment to see what my device is capable of.
Sorry if there are some spelling mistakes, English isn't my main laguage and I loved the noob register video
Oh, and thank you for reading through all of this if you've made it this far
ok first of all rooting will give your live a super power to do anything inside system so rooting is awesome,
You can do more things that unrooted phone can't do like
1] Can use titanium back up to backup apps and its configured settings
2] Can modify system files for looks and performance
3] and can you CPU boosters to overclock underclock CPU can use sd-ext for external SD as phone memory and much more...................
Second you can root unroot your live with this,so don't worry
Root Unroot Toolkit
Third i have unlocked boot loader of my XMP (SK17i) but the above method of rooting doesn't require unlocked boot loaders.But its up to you whether to unloack bootloader or not as it will void your warranty....
About ICS so yes you can get it anyhow after rooting unlocking bootloader and using other roms don't worry...
You can use Link2sd for getting extra phone storage space after rooting
for more information search the threads on xda
So after doing a lot more reading after the last time I posted here 2 days ago, I made myself this checklist of things I have/want to do.
But before I do this, I have these questions:
- Is this the right way to do it. I may have forgotten something or may have used an outdated guide…
- If I succeed in doing this, but am, for whatever reason, unhappy about the result, will the unroot give me back my untouched phone, or would it still be detectable that I tempered with it?
- I’m having a hard time deciding what to do whit the partitioning of the sd card. Mainly because I haven’t found a guide (yet) that explains what everything is used for. As I understand it, you delete everything on it, create a new primary FAT32 partition (for a 16gb card), which you use as you would your original sd card. But I don’t yet understand whether to use ext2 or swap system or both, as I do not yet understand what they are meant to do. Is the ext2 used to store the applications and act as a second internal storage and the swap system as extra memory for the phone? I’m still reading but haven’t found an answer yet :/
EDIT: just found this:
http://www.diy-computer-repairs.com/partition-sd-card-android-installation/
- Forgot one thing. The article on partitioning from xda mentions you have to remove your sd card from your phone before partitioning, but can this be done as well by leaving it in your phone?
How to backup, root and install custom roms for your live with walkman?
0. Creating SD partition
- Backup everything on the sd card
- Download and install “MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition” on your computer
- Delete the old partitions on your sd card
- Create a new FAT/FAT32 primary partition that will be the “new sd card”
- Create ext2 or swap file system with the unallocated space
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/SD_card_partitioning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVK-tJe8pXE&feature=related
1. Pre-instal back-up
- Backup contacts to gmail cloud
- Use program like mybackup pro to backup other data
http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-things-root/129648-quick-intro-rooting-those-new-rooting.html
2. Actual rooting
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...oting-your-android-phone/#install-custom-roms
- Install SDK
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1312859
- Use DooMLoRD’s Easy Rooting Toolkit v4 to root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321582
3. Post-Rooting
3.1 Using Stock Rom
http://www.androidpolice.com/topics/features-2/best-apps-for-rooted-users-series/
- Backup using Titaniumbackup
- Uninstall bloatware using Rootexplorer or es file explorer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1425461&highlight=walkman
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14002417
3.2 Using Custom Rom
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/05/01/custom-roms-for-android-explained-and-why-you-want-them/
- Install Rom Manager
- Create a recovery image using Rom Manager
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...nandroid-backup-and-clockworkmod-rom-manager/
- Make Backup of current Rom using Rom Manager
- Download and install custom Rom to root folder SD (Cyanogen?)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...d-7-makes-my-android-phone-feel-future-proof/
- Flash custom rom
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...d-phone-with-rom-manager-full-backup-restore/
4. Unrooting
- (If using custom rom, restore backup of stock Rom using Rom manager)
- Use DooMLorD’s Unroot kit to return to original state
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18879974#post18879974
No one?:/
Then I'll just try it out myself hopefully I won't brick my phone
i also have live with walkman which i bought few days back.
i also have some questions
i want to root the device using doomlord.
1. Since on rooting my warranty will void but since i can unroot the device. Will unrooting make it same as packed .
2. also after rooting i can uninstall the SE apps that i dont need can SE service center can detect that i have rooted my phone.
Ok, I've been able to root my device, which didn't take long, and I don't know what I was afraid of. I'm going ahead and I'm going to download titaniumbackup and rootexplorer to backup/freeze and use rom manager to create an image and a complete backup and then I'm off exploring
@abhishekcal: As I understand it, unrooting will, providing everything goes as planned, will give you back your stock phone, but while it's rooted SE might detect this and you may lose your warranty, but then again, I'm not completely sure, so you better wait for an answer from a senior member
thanks for answering my query since SE have released the new update did u tried the update and rooting again.
Please answer these also:
1. DID u do only root or also use any other modifiaction like custom rom and unlocking boot.
2. if after the rooting i delete all the system apps can i get then back using a backup so that it remain undetected that it has been rooted.
I am about to install a custom rom to my stock Evo 3D that's on Hboot 1.5 and still on Gingerbread (yes I know I have been talking about it for a while now) and since pretty much any and all methods to do so would result in the memory being wiped, I wanted to backup my data and settings (namely all my settings for my apps and savedata for my games) before I did so.
Problem is, I am not aware of any method to do so that doesn't require root.
SuperOneClick is not supported for my phone, and tacoroot would only give me a shell, which I can't run Titanium Backup under.
Is there any way for me to backup my app data without root or gain a temporary root while still being able to use the phone itself so I can backup my data before I wipe it for a custom rom?
You could try this temp root method.
That post is in the Sensation forum but it says in the OP that it might work on the Evo 3D (untested).
If you try it, let us know how it goes.
Edit: Here's another temp root method for the Evo 3D. It may be the same thing as the link above just repackaged for the E3D. I've never used it myself and can't test it now since I'm currently running ICS and JB ROM's.
ramjet73
Lots of people say its supposed to work on the Evo3D, and there are even some batch files for it designed for the Evo3D, but when I tried to run the fre3vo file I kept getting "The exploit has failed" and the cursor remained as $ instead of #.
I tried three reboots now and nothing, there was also a method called a "perm-temp-root" but the download links are dead so I couldn't try it.
Nobody seems to maintain these anymore because they claim the method is outdated since we have S-OFF now and the last posts are from 2011.... problem is the whole reason I WANT to temp-root is to backup all of my settings and data so I can then use the S-OFF methods and flash a custom ROM to get a proper root, which I can't do without being forced to wipe my data first.
EDIT: Funny how as I was typing that you made an edit about the permtemproot. But yeah, that appears to be the same thing, just repackaged. And what drives me nuts about all the ones I tried with batch files is that they have zero error handling, they just assume the exploit worked and I get a ton of error mesages and apps like superuser that I can't use installed...
Sorry, I forgot to mention. The tacoroot method actually did work, but it only gives me root access in a CLI through ADB, I can't even use the terminal app with it, so its useless for performing a backup that way. All the other temproot methods didn't work.
Any ideas?
Cyber Akuma said:
Sorry, I forgot to mention. The tacoroot method actually did work, but it only gives me root access in a CLI through ADB, I can't even use the terminal app with it, so its useless for performing a backup that way. All the other temproot methods didn't work.
Any ideas?
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Uhhh, I'm gonna have to say this is a lost cause, You just gotta lose the data, That's why we root, To be able to backup, Which is why most of us root before doing anything so we don't really lose anything like valuable save data, I don't even move a widget or an icon on a new phone until it's s-off and running the newest version of whatever lol.
I got this thing on release day, I couldn't just not use it for like a year until it was finally rooted.
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I got this thing on release day, I couldn't just not use it for like a year until it was finally rooted.
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I didn't mean that in an offensive manner, But there's no way to not lose your data, Simply unlocking your bootloader erases your data.
Is it possible to root the Fascinate without deleting data, or at least a temporary root?
Chase716 said:
Is it possible to root the Fascinate without deleting data, or at least a temporary root?
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Absolutely. You'd have to search/dig through older posts, but the general idea is this:
> Get a recovery .zip file that will install Superuser and put it onto the SDCARD
> Flash a custom recovery (typically ClockworkMod) using ODIN
> Reboot into recovery and install the .zip file
Basically for the Fascinate, all you really need to do is get the proper version of the Superuser application and it's corresponding su binary installed. The Samsung ODIN tool allows you to replace the stock recovery with a custom one, and that custom recovery will allow you to install Superuser/root the device. This only modifies the SYSTEM volume and does not affect any of your data at all. It's obviously more complicated, but essentially behaves as if you could just root by installing something from the Google Play Store.
There should be a TON of resources/threads out here and on other sites with how to actually accomplish this and provide the necessary files for the Fascinate, but as long as you pick a process that generally has the steps listed above, your data *should* be 100% safe.
... so get Googling and root that thing! lol :victory:
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Absolutely. You'd have to search/dig through older posts, but the general idea is this:
> Get a recovery .zip file that will install Superuser and put it onto the SDCARD
> Flash a custom recovery (typically ClockworkMod) using ODIN
> Reboot into recovery and install the .zip file
Basically for the Fascinate, all you really need to do is get the proper version of the Superuser application and it's corresponding su binary installed. The Samsung ODIN tool allows you to replace the stock recovery with a custom one, and that custom recovery will allow you to install Superuser/root the device. This only modifies the SYSTEM volume and does not affect any of your data at all. It's obviously more complicated, but essentially behaves as if you could just root by installing something from the Google Play Store.
There should be a TON of resources/threads out here and on other sites with how to actually accomplish this and provide the necessary files for the Fascinate, but as long as you pick a process that generally has the steps listed above, your data *should* be 100% safe.
... so get Googling and root that thing! lol :victory:
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Well the only thing is, that I'm not supposed to root it, and I only want a temporary root to remove bloatware. Superoneclick's shell root didn't work, and neither did z4root.
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Well the only thing is, that I'm not supposed to root it, and I only want a temporary root to remove bloatware. Superoneclick's shell root didn't work, and neither did z4root.
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Well if you get more interested I suggest you try a 4.2.2 ROM you won't be disappointed
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Well if you get more interested I suggest you try a 4.2.2 ROM you won't be disappointed
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Well that does sound really nice, especially since i enjoyed CyanogenMod on my Incredible 2, but I can not flash any ROMs, I cannot completely root, and I cannot even flash a new recovery. And if I did flash a ROM, I think it would have to be manually activated since it does not have a SIM Card, leading him to find out I rooted. I just want a temp root to remove the bloatware I do not use.
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Well that does sound really nice, especially since i enjoyed CyanogenMod on my Incredible 2, but I can not flash any ROMs, I cannot completely root, and I cannot even flash a new recovery. And if I did flash a ROM, I think it would have to be manually activated since it does not have a SIM Card, leading him to find out I rooted. I just want a temp root to remove the bloatware I do not use.
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I don't think there are any temp-root solutions out there for the Gingerbread Fascinate, as the community was well beyond using exploits by that time Could be wrong, but I looked around and didn't really find anything. It might be worth looking around for a generic Linux 2.6.35-based exploit that somebody has compiled for the ARM processor.
Question ... what would prevent you from temporarily flashing a custom recovery to make the edits you want? If you don't change anything else, it would be overwritten with the stock recovery on the next boot, thus covering your tracks (and we can get the stock recovery back on there for ya if for some reason it doesn't). Many (most?) recoveries will allow ADB access when active, so you can mount system and do what you need to do without actually rooting the stock ROM.
Also, don't worry too much about the CDMA activation status, unless you check a certain box in the Samsung ODIN tool there is almost no way to screw that information up doing what you're looking to do. The CDMA keys are stored in a super double secret location that you ordinarily can't get to. The option is called "EFS Clear", don't go anywhere near it.
If you do find a solution that fits your needs, I also recommend you have a plan to restore the SYSTEM volume back to stock in case you make a mistake, like deleting a critical file. We can help with that as well if you are ultimately willing to use the ODIN tool. I just want to make sure you're prepared for that possibility as it sounds like if you temporarily break this device you'll be in big trouble
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If you do find a solution that fits your needs, I also recommend you have a plan to restore the SYSTEM volume back to stock in case you make a mistake, like deleting a critical file. We can help with that as well if you are ultimately willing to use the ODIN tool. I just want to make sure you're prepared for that possibility as it sounds like if you temporarily break this device you'll be in big trouble
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Yeah, but two more things: first, can someone give me a very detailed tutorial on ODIN for my device, and could someone also give me the files i may need in order to delete the bloatware, no flashing, no data wipes or anything like that? Because the bloatware is what I think slows my phone down. And what if something does not go right?
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You should be able to unroot via SuperOneClick after you've fully rooted and debloated the thing. Whoever's keeping an eye on that Fassy hopefully won't notice!
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Yeah, but two more things: first, can someone give me a very detailed tutorial on ODIN for my device, and could someone also give me the files i may need in order to delete the bloatware, no flashing, no data wipes or anything like that? Because the bloatware is what I think slows my phone down. And what if something does not go right?
Sent from my Galaxy S Fascinate SCH-I500
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Does the person you're hiding this from even know the difference between what GB and JB looks like? What's to say if you have an AOSP or CM-based JB rom that they'd even know it's not stock?
Anyway, if you buy Nova Launcher prime I know you can hide apps from your drawer, so if you wanted to say hide TiBu or Superuser you could do that and throw someone off if they're just taking a quick look at your app drawer. Nova doesn't work on GB though I think, so you might have to look for a different launcher to do that if you want to stay on stock.
For a detailed guide on pretty much anything related to rooting/flashing just check droidstyle's guide here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238070
For freezing or removing bloat I highly recommend buying Titanium Backup, but there are some free apps that will do that sorta stuff. Titanium will give you way more options down the road though...
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Anyway, if you buy Nova Launcher prime I know you can hide apps from your drawer, so if you wanted to say hide TiBu or Superuser you could do that and throw someone off if they're just taking a quick look at your app drawer. Nova doesn't work on GB though I think, so you might have to look for a different launcher to do that if you want to stay on stock.
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I believe he does, since when I rooted my Incredible 2 he noticed it was completely different and not HTC Sense skinned, and I'd explained to him the Android operating system. And I use ADW EX as my default launcher, only because I can't use the TwLauncher due to lag issues. So I've hidden my bloat apps, but things still stay open in the background.
This might be a long shot, but have you ever tried to explain to him that rooting is actually more secure than having an unrooted phone? Try to get him to understand that with a rooted device you can actually make FULL backups of your device in case anything goes wrong, unlike the half-assed backups that non-rooted devices have to use. Also, rooted devices allow you to install the latest (secure) versions of android unlike non-rooted which force you to wait for updates that may never come.
Anyway, if that fails, I would recommend to root and freeze/remove with Titanium
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This might be a long shot, but have you ever tried to explain to him that rooting is actually more secure than having an unrooted phone? Try to get him to understand that with a rooted device you can actually make FULL backups of your device in case anything goes wrong, unlike the half-assed backups that non-rooted devices have to use. Also, rooted devices allow you to install the latest (secure) versions of android unlike non-rooted which force you to wait for updates that may never come.
Anyway, if that fails, I would recommend to root and freeze/remove with Titanium
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I wish. He won't listen, and he'll just say that it's bad, I don't need to root my phone,and that I'll break it, like my old one ( NOT MY FAULT!). That is why I wanted to do it secretly, temporarily, or something like that. I know it's good, and that there are risks. So is there any way I can root (no flashing) and keep it hidden? Also, I went into the bootloader, and saw an option that said update.zip. Would that be useful, to maybe flash the EH09 Fascinate rom?
UPDATE: Thanks for the help everyone, but I'm most likely going to ditch the Fascinate for a Galaxy SIII. So maybe sometime I'll find the time to experiment with ROMS on my Fascinate sometime.